/fraud/ general

>>42473599
4 weeks into PCT with no PCT.

This was a stupid idea.

> Is Rich Piana gonna make it?
Hes gonna lose his gf before he knows it
> How long until Crusader pulls a Chris Benoit?
5 weeks
> LGD > Anavar
delusion
> Anadrol > Dbol
delusion

If anything it would be turinabol > dbol.

>>42473678
tbol is literally the worst oral there is

inb4 you're that memer who says everyone who says tbol sucks has never tried real tbol

>>42473678
>Anadrol is delusion
>Thinks tbol does anything

Top. Fucking. Kek.

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Holy shit guys.

For my first 5 injections, I was stupid enough to use a 21G x 1.5" needle for quad injections (now I use it only to draw) because of some stupid native language injection guide I read. I was wondering why it felt like I had stabbed myself with a metal rod after injection...

I was wondering why the needle looked so big, but I thought I was just being a huge pussy.

Today, I switched to a 25G x 1" needle (recommended from someone here), injected into mid quad, and it was such a breeze. Super smooth and no pain to be felt. The needle looked so small compared to the other one.

Do mtren raws look the same as tren a and e raws or did I get 1g of regular tren for $56.

Also var and mdht are legit as fug for vascularity.

>Unlike trenbolone acetate which has a half-life of only about 1 day and therefore should be injected daily, trenbolone enanthate is typically injected 2-4 times per week. The half life is probably about 5 days.

Intramuscular injection every day? Jesus christ, I'm going to become a human pin cushion.

>>42473982
WHATEVER IT TAKES, GODDAMNIT.

So I gotta say, I'm on day 2 after my first shot and so far this whole experience has been underwhelming. I'm thinking of just repeating my dose again tomorrow (250mg test) and hope this shit kicks in quicker. Is 250mg weekly
Really that low?

>>42473885
good for you

drawing oil based substances with an 18g and injecting intramuscularly with a 25g has been the standard. If you ever need to inject subcutaneously, a 31g will feel like nothing.

>>42473888
More or less according to google image search. If you got it from the homo coloured chinese animal it should be g2g, theyre well regarded.

>>42474009
No 250mg is good depending on goals, but it takes a while to build up to peak levels, if you wanted peak levels from day 1 youd inject nearly triple the amount for the first injection.

>>42474017
I use a 27g for subq oil, its still kinda slow but works, 29g was impossible in a 1ml syringe, but workable with warmed up oil in a 3ml syringe (slow though).

>>42474009
I'm assuming you're using testosterone enanthate, or cypionate. If not, then speak up and tell us which type.

Test e and test c both have a long half life, it's going to take a few weeks before blood levels reach maximum concentration. You need to be patient and, frankly, you should have known this before starting.

If 250mg per week is your plan, then stick to your plan. You need discipline, we all need self control. 250mg per week is already enough to put you well outside of the natural range.

> are you taking an ai? Which one, and how much / often per week?
> How many weeks is your steroid plan?
> what is your pct plan? What are you going to use, what dose, and how long?

Answer these questions and explain why in detail.

>>42474085
I always warm the drawn oil for a few minutes with an electric heat pad, and then inject at a slow, even pace over the duration of 2 minutes using the stopwatch on my phone. Doing this goes a long way towards preventing post injection pain.

>>42474009
250mg /wk is not going to do much unless your test levels are quite low naturally. 500 should be the minimum of any cycle if one wants good results with minimum side-effects (proper nutrition, AI and supplementation is still needed).

I am not sure why you are confused as to why it's not kicking. I assume you're using test e or c and not p, both of which are quite slow an will takes several weeks to build up. If you want instant results, you need to be using a kicker of someone sort (e.g, dbol, tbol, anadrol, sdrol, etc).

>>42474106
Yes enth

I have aromasin on hand. Reddit fags say it's completely unnecessary for 250mg but I plan on taking 6.25 once a week probably around my third pin and then just getting blood work eventually

I got no plan. I have 3 vials so I guess 16 weeks. Might just stay on forever if I get addicted

Just nolva..gonna follow the typical pct protocol that's recommended

>>42474160
500 minimum of any test only cycle ***

>>42474165
>it's completely unnecessary for 250mg

He is saying that because 250mg of test is not going to much. If you are going to inject steroids for any purpose other than TRT, at least go with a 500mg dose weekly, that means 2 injections a week of 250mg.

With test e, you will have to wait AT LEAST 3 weeks to feel anything, and it will probably not kick properly before 4 weeks have gone by.

>>42474160
My natural test levels were already through the roof so that probably won't help. I'll ride out the 250 for a month and see where it goes and then up if needed

>>42474191
Did you do zero research before injecting yourself with steroids? Seriously not a good idea.

You want to shut down your own testosterone production just so that you can slightly raise your test? If your test was already at a high, you will get NOTHING out of 250mg a week. Either discontinue use (probably what you should do) or up it to 500 a week right now.

BAKA BAKA...

Advice please:
If I reach muscular fatigue at my normal set's weight for about 5 sets, I've found I can lower weights significantly then do 20-30 reps a set and pretty much kill my muscle and give me harsh doms that take several days to heal. If I wasn't on cycle, it'd probably take me like 2 weeks to heal up.

Is this helping me growth any or is it pointless stress?

What's the best steroid for bulking?

>>42474206
Dude I did two years worth of research before starting and it's all completely worthless information. Everyone has their own philosophy just like they do with lifting.

>>42474226
Test is best.

>>42474223
Kill the muscle once a week, bro split, or you can do a split hitting your muscles twice a week with less volume each time. It's up to you.

>>42474247
Are you trolling or something? You did two years of research and somehow managed to completely disregard any information about esters? Come on, dude... You did not do proper research. If you did, you wouldn't ask such retarded questions.

>>42474206
you are a parroting idiot. 250mg is supraphysiological on the order of 3-5x. if you dont think having 3-5x number of androgens in your body isnt effective you are a pussy.

the fucking huge dude trevor from enhanced athlete did 250mg as his first cycle and said he grew like a weed.

you're just a guy who reads shit online and then thinks that is being educated. you dont realize how foolish it is to say, "did you even research" when your research consists of reading posts on reddit steroid forum.

>>42474275
Maybe I am exaggerating when I say that he will get nothing out of it; however, if his test was already at the top physiological level, he will not get huge gains from 250mg. I feel like he is only using 250mg because he doesn't have more test available. I don't think that 250mg is going to make a huge different, but he can give it ago and prove me wrong. Then again, there is a good chance that he is full of shit and that he didn't have tests done and is only assuming that he is a "high test male."

>>42474275
Thank you. This is my point. Everyone literally has conflicting information so how the fuck am I supposed to know. People say 250 is worthless and then I see blood tests showing 250mg putting people's test at 2000~ so it's contradicting information. The Reddit wiki literally says you don't need AI for 500mg test and then says they recommend 25mg aromasin EOD for 500mg in the same fucking paragraph. And then people flip out when I ask if 6.25mg is reasonable for 250mg saying I'm retarded. Like most things in this world, the public opinion is dumb as shit

>>42473885
I feel no difference between a 21g and a 25g

>>42474331
This is also ignoring the fact that most people literally have no idea how to eat or train so what good is it to trust their drug advice? Half the time I forget that I'm arguing with 160 pound retards that take test because they can't figure out how to get strong otherwise

>>42474191
what kinda idiot are you?

250mg test is going to get you huge gains, but not in 1 month.

You would have to pin that for atleast 6 months to get some sik gains.

>day 2 after first shot and i see no gains waaaaaa
pretty sure this is b8

About to finish my first cycle at 750mg test-e per week, thinking of just cruising at 250mg, will I expect to lose size at 250 or will I still be able to maintain/gain LBM?

>>42474369
I didn't expect to see gains. I just expected to feel different. You read a lot of stories about a ravenous appetite, a perverse libido, a calm euphoria, etc....

>>42474249
have any of these worked better than the others for you?

>>42474331
get AI and BP meds and do your 250mg a week cycle. at the end of it you will understand that most stuff you realize is bullshit. running test beyond TRT levels, in my opinion, is stupid, because you get way more side effects and negative health issues from running half a gram of test alone vs a reasonable TRT dose (100-150mg) plus a more efficient androgen. there is a reason there were more steroids developed after testosterone. testosterone as the only steroid for a cycle isnt always ideal, but it can work for some people if you keep estrogen and BP in check

>>42474364
look at the trip on here Nano who weighs about 180lb and is taking grams of gear. its pathetic. whenever i post my cycle in here i get made fun of and called a retard. as a novice to cycling im on 75mg test cyp a week and 200mg tren e. let that sink in.

use your own rational thought, you cant rely on shit posted online. isnt it ironic that forums filled with professional bodybuilders all reccomend low doses and they themselves say things like 200mg of tren a week is enough, yet on reddit and here you get called a fool if you even consider anything under 700mg as a cycle

>>42474438
I prefer bro split because it's more fun, but I can't say if one gives better gains than the other. As long as you hit the same volume, there shouldn't be a huge difference, but don't quote me on that. I guess it also depends on how hard you can hit the muscle, if you are not very strong, you're going to have much more issue creating the workload in a single session that you'll need for optimal growth.

Also, strength progress should be a bit better by hitting your main lifts twice a week instead of once, if that's what you're interested in.

>>42474223
Killing your muscles, completely destroying them is extremely important in my opinion. I got the sikest gains and definition when i would just destroy a particular muscle group and just isolate the shit out of it.

the more i learn from educated folks who clearly know their shit judging by their results, i realize maybe half of the shit posted online is broscience babble.

eg. people reccomend tren ace to avoid sides on tren. when parabolan was developed with a long ester so the slow release rate mitigates some of the negative neurological and side effects issues people feel on tren.

>>42474425
test doesnt make you feel anything, not even a tiny bit.

Yeah increased libido is true, but not after 2 days, more like 4 weeks. And only if you have your estrogen in check.

i also heavily agree with >>42474331
people always give me shit for asking questions, but there is so much conflicting data on the internet.

trial and error will always be the best solution.

>>42474467
Post body

>>42474518
>test doesnt make you feel anything, not even a tiny bit.

It doesn't, but it also does, in a sense, at least for me.

It makes me more aggressive (not in a bad way), confident and goal driven.

Also, wanting to fuck anything that moves is going to lead to you actually wanting to leave the house to meet women, especially if your test levels weren't super high to begin with or dropped over the years (either from age or dieting for a long time).

It doesn't really make you "feel" anything like LSD or MDMA would, but it certainly changes you over time.

I think my hematocrit is too high, I'm getting red and splotchy, face is flushed, and dry skin/lips

Doc said my hematocrit was 50.8% a few days ago, but that was before I frontloaded another 300 mg of test.

Should I bloodlet at home, or just wait it out til I can get a donation appointment on Monday?

>>42474476
For me strength is secondary, I mean I want it to increase, but its not my primary goal, and should increase over time anyway.

Pretty much this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8wZNGL4iA4&t=50s

>>42474563
i ran test up to 350mg a week and libido was on/off depending on how dialled my AI was. i find running TRT dose of test like 100mg a week, plus even a low dose of stronger compound like tren makes me way hornier and motivated. testosterone alone in higher doses is just too much to manage.

>>42474563
>but it certainly changes you over time.
oh it definetely does. But its not an instant kind of feeling. At the beginning its like you feel nothing.
But when you are on test for a year and look back you think "damn i changed quite a bit in my behaviour since last year". Thats what happened to me.

But i cannot say if this is thanks to the test, or the sik gains. Being buff makes you confident after all, too.

>Also, wanting to fuck anything that moves is going to lead to you actually wanting to leave the house to meet women

agree so much. I must say tho this is only the case when i do NoFap.
If i dont fap for just 5 days i get fucking crazy and cant concentrate at my workplace without thinking about clubbing and partying and shit

>>42474586
Then go ham with a bro split and completely destroy the muscle once a week.

You could change between the two, perhaps start with 2x a week and take advantage of the rapid strength gains (especially if it's your first cycle, I recommend this) and then switch to a more bb style of training later in the cycle.

>>42474625
that poster wasn't me, but that's interesting strength increases are abit better hitting twice a weak. it's harder work but that's kind of good info to know

>>42474425
>I just expected to feel different
well, i decided to hop on gear instead of going to psychiatric hospital becasue i believed test will help. It didn't.
>>42474518
>test doesnt make you feel anything, not even a tiny bit.
>>42474563

Im 7 weeks in and i still feel like shit, still very low libido, still want to kill myself, got no motivation to do basic shit like cleaning my room etc.

Gained 20 lbs since first pin but im bloated in the gut and very slightly in my face, you can't even see it like 1%. I think i will run it for 20 weeks and cruise after.

>>42474665
>Im 7 weeks in and i still feel like shit, still very low libido, still want to kill myself, got no motivation to do basic shit like cleaning my room etc.

Your estrogen levels are too high. You need to increase your AI dose.

>>42474604
Not fapping certainly helps.

I had this fat and unattractive chick stare at me today for quite some time and I actually fantasized about banging her, which I would never do if I wasn't on steroids, no matter how drunk.

>>42474690
Increased my ai dose last week. Was at 70pg/ml doing 0.5mg of adex e3d. Now im eating it eod.

500mg of test per week

>>42474690
>>42474665
estrogen is high, yep. thats the problem with testosterone, if you cant dial in your ancilliaries, you feel like shit.

it makes way more sense to run TRT test and then something with less sides like primobolan or EQ etc.

>>42474275
>250mg is supraphysiological on the order of 3-5x
look at this retard who thinks 250mg would ever get anyone to 3600-6000ng/dl

>>42474780
600 ng/dl is assumely the average test for a young male.

1800 ng/dl would be 3x of that.

p sure 250mg can get you to 1800 ng/dl brah

>>42474665
Lol bro wtf you shouldn't hop on a cycle if you're in a bad headspace like that to begin with. I'm pretty unhappy with my life but I am pretty sure it's caused by a lack of confidence in how I look (started balding by early 20s, shitty genetics to be lean and big, etc...) so that's how I convinced myself test would be ok.

>>42474830
do you know what supraphysiological means, retard?

>>42474165
>Reddit fags say it's completely unnecessary for 250mg

That depends on other factors, including body fat level. 250mg is still far outside of natural test range, be careful to keep your estrogen levels within range.

> Might just stay on forever if I get addicted

For a beginner such as yourself who has no definite long term goal, I would strongly advise to come off after 16 weeks. Staying on "forever" is a serious commitment. Where will you be in 5 years? In 20 years? Most people come off sooner or later. Just be ready for that. I say this out of genuine concern for your well being. I'm not trying to give you bad advise and screw you over. I'm in your corner, I'm going to bat for you.

It is my recommendation that you inject hcg twice per week, 250IU. This will maintain your testes' ability to produce testosterone. A lot of people wait until the end of their cycle to begin injecting hcg and at massive doses. However, the ability of their balls to produce testosterone has greatly reduced during the past ~12 weeks. If you know you are coming off, it is better to use hcg during cycle to maintain ball health.

>>42474247
>I did two years worth of research before starting

Educating yourself on basic human endocrinology should not take that long, depending on how much time you take to study daily.

>it's all completely worthless information. Everyone has their own philosophy just like they do with lifting.

There may be opinions out there, but there is always the science and that is not worthless. With sufficient knowledge and experience of your own body, you should be able to judge for yourself.

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Any of you guys eat a diet free of meat? I honestly hate it unless it's prepared by a restaurant. Thinking about dropping meat from my diet and replacing it with Whey and Olive Oil to get the protein/fats I'm missing out on. I blast and cruise so I would think my test levels should be fine, even as a vegetarian of sorts.

>>42474914
If you're going to stop eating meat, you need to make sure that you have a good alternative and not just "whey and olive oil." It's a lifestyle, not a "diet."

By not eating meat, you're making it really hard on yourself if you want to get sufficient protein on a cycle, but if you're adamant about not causing the death of animals, then by all means, find a way to make it work.

>>42474959
It's not for ethical reasons. I just don't like the taste of meat. So I'd probably have to switch over to some sort of nuts and beans to replace the meat I eat.

>>42474875
Thanks, I will consider that. Is it really that simple? Just inject hcg? Why wouldn't more people recommend it?

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>>42474914
im vegan since 2 years

>>42474969
>hard to get protein
normie meme

>>42475035
i heard hcg shouldnt be taken longer than 3 weeks at once. because then you fuck up your ball receptors or some shit.

>why wouldnt more people recommend it
its not really necessary for a cycle. Doing a regular PCT works just fine. HCG is mostly used for BnCers who are shutdown since years.

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>>42475178
Wow, breh. It looks like your right delt grew 3 inches since your last photo.

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>>42475245
nice one

>>42474914
>I honestly hate it unless it's prepared by a restaurant.
then you probably suck at cooking

if you're going to replace meat with protein powder at least get casein

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>>42474914
yeah i'm vegetarian not vegan
only problem with non meat protein sources is that it's harder for your body to assimilate the protein. look into something called net nitrogen utilization and you'll see what i'm talking about. whey has pretty poor utilization values but eggs beat out even meat. supplement with b12/carnitine and you should be good.

cottage cheese, greek yogurt, and eggs are your friends. beans+lentils are good.

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>leave humanity behind they said
glad I didn't listen to you faggots
natty for life

>>42475659
he's fine now, just a little coma, cmon!

>>42475659
He is just hibernating.

>>42475877
wtf r u talking about? how much test e is those 1ml amps?

>>42475877
why dont you buy a sterile fresh new vial, buy one big syringe, draw all the ampule and inject it into your vial?

>>42474467
Why even bother with 75 cyp/week?

>>42474467
Why even bother with 75 cyp/week?

>>42474511
Good luck finding real parabolan.

>>42475934
why only 125 mg desu? my first cycle was 300mg e5d and that shit was already quite soft... 125 e7d would be a waste... def go 250mg to atleast feel something

>>42476033
its actually 100mg test cyp and 200mg tren e every 10 days. made a mistake last time. so about 75mg and 150mg every week.

>>42476033
i have access to it bruh and like all my other shit its legit. its not hard to find, labs just dont carry it because of the cost.

>>42476104
maybe hes on TRT numbnuts

or maybe its the base of his cycle

use ur brain man


>>42476033
and i forgot to say in my last reply, im bothering because its just replacement dose

im running tren for the gains and well being
test is just to function normally

why would i take more test, its just going to aromatize more and cause sides

tren aromatization isnt as big deal and it has less androgenic sides mg for mg

>>42475934
Haha. I have the exact same test as you.

>>42476123
if he would be on trt he would def get something different than galenikas, and his doc would already told him how he should take it and not ask /fit/ you dumbfuck

>>42476139
obv bc its the most common and one of the cheapest TE avaible

>>42476159
because nobody self medicates their TRT and because you're too stupid to understand why people would run a normal test base and then higher amounts of other compounds more suited to the end goal

i cant tolerate the retardation here

The associate at the pawn shop asked for a selfie to send to his wife because I looked "just like Thor" and she evidently loves Thor.

Did I cuck a black man?

>>42476238
the shit you talk is out of this world...
125mg as a "test base" maybe for a 14 year old dyle... who the fuck cruises on several compounds and only uses such a low amount of TE... especially e7d...

do it the right way or dont do it at all...

>>42476381
Many people lmao especially those in prep to reduce water

>there's only one right way to minmax hormones

>>42476393
thats something completely different but there are better ways to get rid of the water and stuff... especially he shouldnt get t enantat but t propionate to lower the amount of water...

but 125mg e7d is a little bit over the natural test a normal person should have... but despite the low amount you will fuck up your levels anyway and can still have sides with little to no effects

How much time off from caffeine do I need for it to reset? I like getting that extra boost on top of the roids, but I'm at a point where I can barely feel 600mg.

so i just pinned a site and it felt a little weird, while the needle was going in it seemed to stop for a second and then went in again. i aspirated and then pushed the plunger, felt a weird cold feeling in the site in my leg as i pushed the plunger. when i was done I pulled the pin out and blood started pouring as a trickle down my leg and there is a big lump. the blood stopped but the lump is still there.
am i going to be ok??

>>42476562
yes, no matter what happens, aslong as you dont inject into a vein, you are good to go.

And if you injected into a vein, you would know by now, trust me.

What happened to you happens to everyone all the time.

I would advice you not to train legs until that lump is gone, to avoid a bloodclot

>>42476363
Nah, he's just confident in his relationship.
If he asked you to fuck his wife in front of him, then it'd be different.

>>42476728
Whew good because he was a really nice dude and I appreciated his hospitality.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
>reading through this thread at all the fucking retards talking about dosages and no one actually has any clue
>bunch of tiny lite fuckwads arguing about something they're all ignorant of
I didn't start juicing til I was 215lbs. None of you anon fucks should be picking up a needle.
Fucking teenagers.

>>42476762
Yeah, cucking is extremely rare outside of porn/4chan/leddit.

If I see a YUGE guy, and we're chatting I'll get a picture with him just to prove to my wife I'm not as big as she says I am yet.

>>42476819
I agree. I mostly wanted to show pol that blacks admire white people sometimes.

>>42476675
Repeat punctures to nerves can have a damaging effect over time. (years)

>>42476811
Here's your (you) gatekeeper

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Just wrote out a taper and pct. Look good? I have enough nolva for 7 weeks so i dont know if should do that. Still have 9 weeks left on 1gram of test

>>42476811
I didnt start juicing till i was 230 with a 375 bench 550 squat and 600 deadlift so suck my dick

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>>42476880
Reply to myself

>>42474586
People who post this video are retarded as fuck, kai puts 400 lbs overhead you dickasses

>>42476949
Here's my take on "mind muscle connection":

While it's important to use proper form and focus on the muscle you're training, doing long squeezes, super slow reps, etc, because it massively decreases the weight you can lift, it will not be all that much more effective and it will make it harder to progress.

You should lift as heavy as you can with proper form. The problem is that most people sacrifice form to satisfy their ego, and thus end up with sub-par results as they aren't engaging their muscles properly. So many people barely use their back during lat pulldowns, I see it all the time. They use twice the weight they should be using.

>6'2 (188cm) 169 lbs (77kg) [14,83% body fat]
>18 months into the gym
>156/198/77/88 lbs (72/90/35/40 kg)
>pretty ducking dyel (see pic related)
>a friend of mine told me that with one cycle you can do neat gain of roids effects and those will keep in your body for a long run

Take roids one time for their long term good effects

Should I do this if I want to keep just an aesthetic body? I am not interested in lifting heavy. I just want an ottermode physic

See DYEL pic related and judge for yourself

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>>42477363

Forgot pic

:(

I have 12 months to make it.

>>42475035

> Is it really that simple? Just inject hcg?

for maintaining testicular health, yes. 250 IU twice per week. You can inject intramuscularly in the glutes, or subcutaneously about an inch to either side of the belly button with a 31g half inch needle. I prefer subcutaneously, such a small needle, I barely even feel it.

>Why wouldn't more people recommend it?

I'm not them, I'm not in their head, so I have no idea what they're thinking. My guess is it could be a mixture of reasons: from a potential lack of understanding of how the human body reacts to chorionic gonadotropin, perhaps copying what they hear from others, and hey, some people out there might spread misinformation to somehow "give them an edge".

The fact is that by shutting down the lh signal and allowing the testis to be non-functional over a 12-16 week period, leydig cell volume decreases ~90%. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hcg) is a peptide hormone that mimics the action of luteinizing hormone (lh). LH is the hormone that stimulates the testes to increase testosterone levels. In fact, lh is the main signal sent from the pituitary to the testes, which stimulates the leydig cells within the testes to produce testosterone.


>i heard hcg shouldnt be taken longer than 3 weeks at once. because then you fuck up your ball receptors or some shit.

That is true when the dose is very high, such as 2,500 - 5,000 IU per week at the end of a cycle. When the dose is so high, yes, the leydig cells can become desensitized to the presence of hcg and even luteinizing hormone when the pituitary gland begins secreting the homemade version.

But 250-300IU 2x per week has not been shown to desensitize and, for that reason, it is more effective to take a low dose throughout a planned cycle than to let the balls deteriorate for 12+ weeks and then use massive doses in an attempt to restore testosterone secretion capacity.

>>42474570
Bump, should I go to the doctor
Head is killing me
Chest is tight

>>42477363
are you saying you bench 88 pounds?

>>42477377
How about actually fixing your god damn diet before getting on roids? You look worse than I did BEFORE I started training at FIFTEEN years old, 11 years ago. You're clearly doing something wrong.

You're not 14% bf, you're much higher than that.

Spend that roid money on some chicken, rice and tuna. Unless you have very low test levels, you have no business taking roids at your level.

You're just going to eat like shit when you take roids and make shitty gains, even less than you would if you were to eat properly without taking them.

I promise you this, find out your TDEE and go 500 kcal above that. Lift for 6 months then come back. I promise you, roids will be the last thing on your mind after all the gains you will be making.

>asking for an online chemist is not source talk

i need an online chemist in the uk shipping. adc is out of stock

>>42477377
18 months for this physique, what the fuck have you done?

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ATTENTION FRAUDSTERS. KYS PLEASE.

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I miss taking steroids and living in the gym.

Life is so strange, maybe I will be a lifter in the next respawn. I know I will, this feeling its the universe.

>>42477888
But why?

>>42477363
Do this for like 16 weeks
175mg Test E 3.5D
100mg Tren A EoD
75mg Anavar ed for the last 6 weeks.

Come back and thank me later.

>>42477596
i heard 250iu ever 2 weeks is good enough, is that true?
also does hcg keep sperm levels from dieing permanently?

>>42477939
You're evil, haha.

>>42477997
Why the concern? Like mother always said: If you're juicing, no reproducing. Your cum is dumb.

>>42477903
Because unchecked trips demands it.

>>42477613
u ok senpai?

>>42476433
>legitimately thinking the ester of testosterone has anything to do with holding water

you are another example of absolute bro science retardation. you are too stupid for me to educate you properly in a short amount of time, yet you will go on thinking you are right.

your thoughts are a dime a dozen man. its clear you only have a superficial understanding of the subject gleaned from various online forums and other guys like you who dont have the insight to pursue a better understanding of the matter.

i used to get mad talking to people like you but i just realize let you keep propagating stupidity, at least i can recognize it in people like you and avoid any sort of real influence in my life

>>42478029
Maybe but it will turn the kid into a shredded sick cunt. I mean he won't gain anywhere as much as he should seeing as his diet and training are garbage but that really doesnt matter if you are taking tren to go ottermode, shits going to happen.


Also seeing how Rich piana is basically dead, what did you guys think of his steroid theories? iirc he once suggested switching up compounds every few weeks so your body doesnt build up a tolerance during a cycle and it keeps the body fresh. Anyone try this? Should I say fuck it and do a 24 week cycle switching between 350/350 npp/test and then 500/700 Test/Tren A every 4 weeks?

>>42477596
low dose naltrexone can promote an LH pulse and taking it alongside HCG is probably more effective than either alone.

ideally HMG should be included alongside HCG everytime. it is quite expensive though.

>>42478105
Just follow gh15s advice man. The longer I'm involved with this shit, the more I'm beginning to realize that that guy is right about most things.

>>42478122
btw i should mention my balls are near normal or totally normal size on just 3.5mg of natlrexone e2-3d (not being strict with dosing) and thats having been on TRT for almost 2 years straight. not taking any HCG or HMG

>>42476381
Nearly everyone you dumb fuck. Testosterone isn't even that good of a hormone. People keep that shit super low and blast other compounds instead

>>42478105
the thing ive learned about steroids that is rarely talked about:

-start with the lowest possible dose, that is something like 250mg test a week, as your first cycle.

-most of what you read online parroted in forums or threads like this is just what some bro read online and learned. if you promote a different idea even if it is backed in science, and proven to be better in your own experience, you will get called a retard for daring to not follow common bro science

-the reddit forum, and this one, is full of DYEL's taking grams of tren

-hugest bodybuilders ive ever met, when they tell me their honest to god real cycles, is usually lower than what is reccomended online. i know giant jacked dudes that have been lifting for 20-30 years, they tell me 3 amps of 76mg parabolan a week was a big cycle, thats less than 230mg a week, people here say you need to take 700mg!!!

-even people who claim to be educated are usually harboring bad info. the most respected posters on mesorx "Dr jim" is a luddite, and on reddit , "jceaser69" often doesnt have the most up to date information

-you can run deca only cycles without feeling shutdown from lack of test because deca functions as sex hormone, same with trest

-you can get results on oral only cycles without feeling like shutdown shit, but test base is always better

-high test cycles are stupid

-if you cant understand why someone would want to run TRT test 125mg a week and then stack better more anabolic and less side fx compounds on top, and call that stupid, you are stupid.

>>42473599
The Rich Piana thing is really worrying me
Does anyone know what he ODed on?

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how the fuck does one take HCG?

Do you mix the powder and water in one shot and then what? You take 0.01 of it and store it in the fridge? what? who? where? waaaa

>plz help

>>42478162
he cant seem to comprehend why you would want to run TRT test just to keep sex function and mood up and have normal estrogen, and then stack more targetted "designer" compounds on top.

tren was shown to have less androgenic sides on a dose by dose basis compared to testosterone in one study. its actually somewhat safer to run reasonable doses of tren or other androgens versus jacking up your test dose. the 500mg test first cycle promoted on reddit is stupid as fuck. testosterone is a sloppy steroid compared to something more targetted like boldenone or primo, etc.

>>42476811
i wish you tripped so i could put u on ignore

>>42476880

why would u run a gram of test. honest question. what do you hope to achieve? and where do you plan to go from here? how dumb do u gotta be to hop on with that much gear .

>>42476381
you are dumb as fuck, btw,

i know plenty of experienced competitors with amazing physiques who have been training for many years who do exactly what you criticize

yet you come on 4chan and get called an idiot for saying u do it, its a bizarro world

>>42478230
Im hoping to grow a mad beard in addition to gains

>>42478180
you say how it says 1500ui on the hgh on the left? you mix that with however much bacwater you want to make whatever concentration of iu/ml you want

then you subq however many IUs you want

>>42478251
...hcg not hgh

>>42478250
you could have just taken normal dose of test and then run androgens like masteron for that effect

>>42478174
>start with the lowest possible dose, that is something like 250mg test a week, as your first cycle.
I like to pyramid so I agree with this

>most of what you read online parroted in forums or threads like this is just what some bro read online and learned. if you promote a different idea even if it is backed in science, and proven to be better in your own experience, you will get called a retard for daring to not follow common bro science
I agree
>the reddit forum, and this one, is full of DYEL's taking grams of tren
I mean im on a gram of tren and Im still a skinnyfat dyel so i already knew that

>hugest bodybuilders ive ever met, when they tell me their honest to god real cycles, is usually lower than what is reccomended online. i know giant jacked dudes that have been lifting for 20-30 years, they tell me 3 amps of 76mg parabolan a week was a big cycle, thats less than 230mg a week, people here say you need to take 700mg!!!
These dudes have also been taking gear for years. Im just trying to catch up with no regard to my own health

>even people who claim to be educated are usually harboring bad info. the most respected posters on mesorx "Dr jim" is a luddite, and on reddit , "jceaser69" often doesnt have the most up to date information
Funny story, i was on leddit the other day and say someone giving sombody some really shitty advice and when I checked their tag it was jceaser.

>you can run deca only cycles without feeling shutdown from lack of test because deca functions as sex hormone, same with trest
Common knowledge

>>42478296
>you can get results on oral only cycles without feeling like shutdown shit, but test base is always better
I tell people to run oral only cycles all the time. I mean I know its the least effective way to do it but I find it funny and love watching people get butthurt over it
-high test cycles are stupid

-if you cant understand why someone would want to run TRT test 125mg a week and then stack better more anabolic and less side fx compounds on top, and call that stupid, you are stupid.
This is probably the best way to do it but if you are someone who doesnt get sides and doesnt care about long term health, running higher test can be beneficial

>>42478137
I tried reading through the gh15 bible more than once but i always end up getting a head ache trying to figure out what he is trying to say and give up.

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>>42478251
then I would need something like this?

1500iu's in 1 ml.

But how do you store it after making the solution?
I guess you mix all of it at once since it would be nearly impossible to measure out 250iu's..

Store it anywhere, or in the fridge?

Thank you for your reply

>>42478296
lol jceaser is a prick

he talks shit on anyone that tries to offer good advice he isnt familiar with, if you read his post history hes got some stupid ass HMG protocol that shows how ignorant he is.

anyways, i just learned the nandrolone thing recently. i didnt know you can run nandrolone without test and not have the bad sides of no test. i thought trestolone was the only steroid that acted as a male sex hormone like test.

you could get great results taking smaller amounts of gear even if you are trying to catch up. its like filling a cup with water, you wont even have the ability to hold more water until you mature in training more. the extra gear you are taking sure will add on muscle, but not enough extra to make up for the negative health effects. i have been training awhile and dont even feel i take advantage of 350mg test cycles yet, i feel like sure i get bigger and more muscle faster, but its diminishing returns in exchange for more negative effects. theres no good reason to run tons of gear until youve satisfied the novice stages. i dont believe past a base level youll skip forward that much more.

>>42478178
Could be diabetic and took too much creatine

>>42474425
you only pinned like 2 days ago, right? it takes like at least 2 weeks to even feel anything from what i've been told
idk why these bros are hounding you.
but if your normal test levels are already high I'm not sure if even higher test will make you feel better
you probably should find another way to feel better

How do I tell if I'm getting test flu? It's been about 36 hours after my last shot (200 or so enth) and I've developed a dull headache and my throat feels a little weird. Also skin feels a little clammy. I also drank a shit load of alcohol last night so....

>>42478043
I'm just curious about when I come off the cycle. I want to return to 100% and I'm really not sure if thats a thing, I'd like to hear some possible re-assurance that its true

>>42476928
steroidcalc.com

>tgw 1g of tren a week will cost $90 a week

>>42479037
I don't know where to start.

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>>42479037

>>42479037
Costs $6 for me...

>>42479037
is that including caber and shit?

>>42479139
Nope

>>42479139
It's including the cost of being a fucking retard

>>42479325
I'm sorry if I hurt you.

>>42479277
jesus christ what kind of jew source do you have?

>>42479325
what? $90 is ridiculously expensive for a vial of tren

Would 1/2" for quads be fine if I'm not a fat fuck?

>>42479391
Jew and Australian are interchangeable in this context. $90 is pretty standard.

There is a cheaper source but I'm skeptical of his quality.

>>42479391
$90 is pretty decent for tren E in Aus

>>42478230
I want to bench over 400 squat over 600 clean and jerk around 400 snatch around 330 and weigh a lean 240

>>42479410
Pinning quads sucks. But why not do an inch. Half is so litte. Ive pinned with 1.5 in the delt before and didn't hit anything

>>42479806
I've tried with an inch before and always got pain.

>>42479825
Quads have lots of nerves and blood vessels. They'll probably be painful with a 1/2" too. There's no way your quads are under an inch deep.

>>42479806
1/2 inch subq master race checking in

>>42479876
I think I was just injecting in a shit area. Ordered 1/2" anyway.

I use 1" for glutes just fine. I assume 1/2" will be fine for quads given lean DYELness.

>>42477997
250 twice a week is currently the most efficient way to use it during cycle. HCG has a long half life, longer than LH, but the goal is to mimic the peaks and valleys that are naturally seen with LH. For this reason, it is highly recommended to take 250 twice a week, you can even do it right after doing here twice a week testosterone injection.

>>42478138
Interesting, I will look into that. Thanks for telling me.

>>42479037
M8 you do not handle tren well mentally. As much as I dislike you and the abbo fellating slut who you call a girlfriend (who I dislike for putting up with your terrible behavior) I'd really rather not see what happens when you go on a gram of tren.
Why would you even want to run that much tren? It's not great for building mass compared to test/nadrolone/anadrol and there are better drugs out there for strength (even though you're not a powerlifter). What possible benefits would running a gram of tren grant you that would be worth the mental sides/ the possibility of you benoiting your whore because you got paranoid.

>>42478602
Your concern is legitimate. In fact it is smart to be thinking this far ahead.

With an understanding about how the male body produces testosterone, as well as what each item you are planning to use does and how it works, you will be well on your way to safely using. These things can be used safely with moderation and caution.

>>42479037
why would you even use that stuff if it cost so much? personally I'd just skip it and be all "meh" about the extra gains. gotta think about those wallet gains too sometimes

>>42479967
The dick measuring capacity to say "I'm on a gram of tren."

I might just use up the 6 vials I have laying around. Do 8 weeks at 750mg and then cruise.

>>42480003
My marginal benefit from extra gains is higher than yours.

>>42480603
You have shitty genetics so probably not.

>>42480608
Marginal benefit is subjective to the individual.

>>42480603
>Abo genetics
>Gains
Heh nothing personal kid

Started Yohimbine. Taking 5mg now, and 5mg in the afternoon.

>>42478296
>Im just trying to catch up with no regard to my own health
This so much. I regret not lifting young, always wanted to and then I got to the age of 23.
I want to blast my way to a good physique quickly and build from there.

Crusader is such a fucking dumbass

>>42480608
I don't get it. You guys with shitty genetics, do steroids not make you blow you up in size and strength?

A single cycle should be enough as to where there is no denying that you lift. Hell, even a cycle of orals will produce that result.

>>42481960
If anything it's due to shit training and not genetics.

>>42481974
This. Training is everything. No matter how much you roid, how healthy you eat. You'll always look like shit if work out like a pussey, because thats the reason your body starting building muscle in the first place.

>>42481974
>>42482330
you're fucking retarted. Genetics is everything. How do you explain those ripped and build blacks that live on two rice grains a day without any form of routine just labor are x100 your size without steroids.

>>42482363
Because they work hard and their bodies have a reason to pack on that muscle.

If you do 3x10 biceps curls all day like >MUH PRO BADIBALDERS you won't get anywhere, even on all the juice.

>>42479806
I never understood why people have so much difficulty pinning quads. Idk if this is just me but the skin covering that huge chunk of meat on the outside portion is super thin as it is. It's just so easy to stab it in there

>>42482377
Of course you won't grow any muscle if you don't train it with some kind of volume.

You can train what you want, but if you have shit genetics you will always look like shit. Some people just look at a dumbbell and grow. Same for intelligence, some people just comprehended shit just much faster than other people, thus are able to easily achieve their master/phd.


You can't cheat on genetics.

Hard work on top of GENETICS and FOOD and STEROIDS, then you will achieve flawlessness

What cycle would you start with if you were to start now? (Knowing what you know now)

>>42482420
Point is everyone can grow with the right training program, even with a garbage diet.

If you don't respond to volume all that much just up the intensity, and vice versa.

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YOU TRAIN LIKE A SISSY, YOU LOOK LIKE A SISSY!

>>42482434
>Point is everyone can grow with the right training program, even with a garbage diet.
bullshit.

If i look around in my gym i see some guys training all kinds of muscle groups but after years of training they EXACTLY look the same. I even know a guy on steroids that exactly looks the same after all those cycles with tren, clen, test, deca, dbol etc etc. Why? SHIT genetics shit diet.

When i just eat whatever i wanted, and just train whatever i wanted i was still bigger than most of you. Why? genetics. Yes i had no legs and no traps etc etc, because i never trained it.

So;

Genetics
Diet
Steroids
Training

1000%%% THE TRUTH you can say whatever you want, but those 4 commandments are written BY ALLAH, you can't change them in any way possible.

>>42481927
I LOVE you.

>>42482485
>Genetics
>If i look around in my gym i see some guys training all kinds of muscle groups but after years of training they EXACTLY look the same.
This shit actually makes you think.

There are people at my gym who were training even before i started and after 3+ years all of them look exactly the same and everyone uses same weights. There are few fatties who joined over 2 years ago and all they are still as fat. There's also this young skinnyfat dyel with man tits, he was always writing down every set and rep, always following printed out routine, i've heard him talking about diet and other stuff yet he looks exactly the same after almost 3 years.

>>42482551
You can't blame people. The fitness industry is filled with so much shit and it's only the true autists that end up on here and take real advice.

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I've been prone to acne all my life until I got on accutane. My hair is pretty thin too. I'm afraid if I start just regular test E I'll basically lose all my hair and explode in acne in no time. I'd like to try Anavar and basically only do it for four weeks because that's when I'm not subjected to random drug tests and I'd like some minor strength and size gains to make up for the fact that I'm still novice tier strength and size despite training for three years. I've found a few sites that sell but I honestly don't know if it's reliable. I also don't know of anyone IRL that I could ask.

>>42482485
Ever thought of running primobolan? Since it has virtually no side effects?

What's the difference between Test, Test C, Test P and Test E?

>>42482665
There really isent any, the difference is the ester attached to the hormone(testosterone).

>>42482665
Ester

>>42482696
>>42482700

So it just has a longer half life and needs fewer injections but has longer detection times?

>>42482706
There's also side effects and pip.

Why does it seem like old recreational ugl steroid users seem to run into all these injection problems with like test cough, hitting a nerve, infection, scar tissue buildup, or some other bullshit? IM injections are a globally standardized way of safely administering drugs and there are probably millions of people receiving weekly injections yet you never hear about complications with them. Are steroid users just retarded?

>>42482551
Exactly, those are real life FACTS no fucking fairy tales everyone want to believe. I am saying that shit for a reason and that is the TRUTH and some bullying, but manly because of the truth,.

Even when i trained my ass with above average genetics my progress stalled at one point, so i decided to either go full in following a proper diet or just quit everything.

>>42482584
>You can't blame people.
You only can blame people, especially you in particular for spreading this weak cuckness.

>>42483068
IM injections are given by professional nurses and not dumb roid monkeys, plus ugl gear can have rat poop and then you are fucked

>>42483068
You can always hit a nerve.

But people are stupid in general.

>>42482485
Has the weight they lift increased at all? In 90% of these cases the answer is no. Thus their training is shit.

They don't make any progress because they don't train to make progress.

>>42482485
>>42483192

Also don't get me wrong, genetics are very important.

I made more gains than many people on steroids as a low test natty.

My point is that anybody can grow to at least leave dyel status provided their training program isn't garbage.

>>42482485
Lol, the only way your genetics are fucked in terms of muscle building is you're a steroid/hgh/etc non-responder, or you have something like MS.

I'm never injecting prop in the inner thigh again

Why no one is posting here?

>>42484492
It's saturday

honestly, everyone i see who stays dyel after years of lifting, they all do the same mistake. None of them train hard enough. I have several of these people in my gym, and each of them trains like a fkn pussey.
After 30 mins im breathing heavy af and im sweating and when i finish my set my head is all red, then i see these dyels who are ABSOLUTELY calm and rested.
I see them finish their set without any kind of exhaustion. Nothing. They dont even sweat. I dont fucking care about "muuhh genetics i just dont sweat as much as other people" if you exhaust your body really hard you are gonna sweat no matter what.

Seriously its a pattern. When i see a dude who lifts really hard, hes NEVER dyel. Sure they might not be as big as me or whatever but they make progress and are bigger than 90% of the people in my gym.

i agree with >>42483206
If you workouts are intense and your sets actually exhaust you and your muscles, you are going to grow, even with shit genetics, shitty diet

>>42484492
We're all out fucking chicks and/or dudes

Any netherkankers order stuff from outside europe? How does customs and seizure work?

Im thinking about cutting carbs (and maybe calories) for last 3 days of the next week to see if it will unbloat me. I want to get big but i don't want to get too fat because cutting is not fun.

>>42484939
i wanted to say that im not sure if bloated or fat

Yesterday i had an argument with someone with major mental problems, which almost resulted me and him fighting. Aren't you bnc scared you end up in jail for stupid shit without and form of PCT and end up like a little girl hormone levels.


>>42483192
I don't know, i don't spy on them. I only notice that they never made any progress since they were 'lifting' simply because they lack proper diet and genetics.

Like i said before; when i had a shit training and shit diet i was still bigger than most of you.

>My point is that anybody can grow to at least leave dyel provided their training program isn't garbage
>at least leave dyel

According to this theory everyone with a proper routine regardless having a proper diet can grow. This again contradicts with what is happening in real life;

You can go on with this endless discussion, but it remains a fact that training is the least important if you're talking about genetics and diet.


>>42483209
We got him again; muhhh trenn zyzz magical potion but is still dyel somehow because he got ripped off with bad gear somehow.

>>42484744
That's just not true. Your confirmation bias is showing.

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Why did I buy so much eq baka

>>42484754
Leave

>>42484959
the last thing you should do is fight someone over an argument.
Makes you look like a cuck.

Medical Update!

>insurance denied coverage on boob surgery.
>specialist was amazed on how much actual breast tissue I have. Starts around the shoulder and makes a big tear drop.
>ultrasounds and mammograms next. Tests and shit to prove they need to go.
>normal doctor unhappy with my water retention
>puts me on a water pill
>down ten pounds in three days.

Fucking crazy.

>>42485071
>>42485071
Yeah indeed, but there wasn't even an occasion. He had some kind of aggressive psychosis which almost resulted in us fighting. But after that's i realized i would end up in jail probably without pct and would kill myself in jail losing all gains due to no pct en and shitty diet. Aren't you worried about that?

>>42484744
I see the same thing.

All the skinny DYELS walk around without a care in the world, taking their sweet ass time in between sets and waiting for their buddies to finish. They stay forever in the gym, but don't break a sweat. I'll have a 2+ hour session, be sweating like crazy, completely exhausted and the same DYELS who were there when I entered are there as I leave.

I don't think it always holds true, though. If you are doing a pure strength program, you're not going to sweat as much as someone doing a high volume bb routine with short rest periods.

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How much gain per week is considered optimal while on steroids? It seems like i've been gaining 2,8 lbs / 1.3kg per week so far.

>>42485272
Are you a tranny or do you just have terrible hormonal issues?

>>42485459
>If you are doing a pure strength program, you're not going to sweat as much as someone doing a high volume bb routine with short rest periods.

It's true, but your heart will be pounding like fucking crazy regardless.

>>42485739
It depends entirely on the steroids you are taking, at which dose, your AI and your body.

>>42485874
oh well nevermind

is albuterol a meme cutting drug? i never see it anywhere, unless i go looking for information on it

going to be honest, i'm scared of trying dnp.

Hey famalam. I have a notoriously bad posture but after today's session it's straight as a post. Looking godly. But i can't seem to identify which exercise is that forced me to stand straight for first time in my life? Help.

Here's what I did today:
squats
leg press
lat pulldowns
overhead press
t-row
farmer walks

>>42485459
Yeah a strength program will make you sweat less.
But these dyels in my gym dont sweat at all. Maybe after 1 hour their forehead gets a bit sweaty. They are not breathing heavily. After 1 hour they look like they just entered the gym.

>>42485917
or, you could just, you know, eat less and all that sorta stuff?

>>42485917
I am using it atm, currently a week on it. Apparently it's a weaker clen without the side effects the same B2-adrenergic receptor as clen

Today i am on 16mg, only side effects is increased heart rate, temperature no crazy side effects. I tried it yesterday as pre workout and noticed increased strength, this is also proven by science.

also combine with caffeine:

In rats, albuterol with caffeine produced significantly greater increases in lean body mass and reductions in fat mass without changes in food intake after 4-8 weeks of treatment. Since caffeine and albuterol are approved for the treatment of asthma in children and adolescents at the doses tested and change body composition without changing food intake, this combination may deserve further exploration for use in treating pediatric obesity.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26239482

>>42485917
Try clen

hey /fraud/ got my bloods done and got confirmation that im a low test beta male

total test 345 ng/dL
free test 14.60 pg/mL

is there even any point in staying natty with these values

>>42485956

yeah same stuff i hear. i've got a box full of 8mg tabs, so i'll start on monday and see how it goes.

>>42485962

done clen last year, sometimes while on it i'd feel some strange shit from my chest. i swear sometimes my heart was screaming at me to stop. never again lol.

>>42485963
your total is literally the male average...

>>42486013
It's proven that clen can cause some serious damage to the heart while alb doesn't.

https://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/albuterol/

this is some good reading

>>42486013
>done clen last year, sometimes while on it i'd feel some strange shit from my chest. i swear sometimes my heart was screaming at me to stop. never again lol.
Yeah, i don't get the other sides but it feels like you are gonna die lol

>>42486016
>345 average

what

>>42486016
average for a 50 year old male

no healthy 20 year old should have these test levels

just pin >>42485963

>>42486062
Check it up on Google. or in the hospital. No doctor is ever going to prescribe a 20 year old with 300+ test for TRT as it can only make it even worse.


>300 test 24 year old here, got told to fuck off by doctor

>>42486085
He didnt say anything about trt and a doctor

>>42486085
>>42486062
ill add the value ranges they gave me too and the rest of the tests

free test 14.60 (8.69-54.69 pg/mL)
estradiol 30.3 (<40 pg/mL)
fsh 4.3 (1.2-12.4 UI/L)
lh 2.5 (1.7-8.6 UI UI/L)
prolactin 38.5 (2.1-17.7 ng/mL)
prolactin 20 mins after first draw 31
prolactin 40 mins after first draw 24.6
total test 345 (72-853 ng/dL)

how fucked am i
doc says everything is completely normal (im 25 yo)

>>42486085
yes, no doctor is going to do that. Doesnt change the fact that 340 ng/dl is too low for a young male

>>42486085
>bad clueless doctors say stupid shit
>what else is new

>>42486109
>that fucking prolactin

>>42486123
>tfw puffy nipples and high prolactin/low test and doc tells me to fuck off anyways :^)

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Thinking of doing my first cycle been lifting for about 3 years. What would you guys recommend I'm trying to look like Jeff said.

>me

>>42486109
you are not doomed and you can still make good gains.

Thats how i see it. I want to enjoy gains aslong as im young. If i was 25yo and dyel, i would roid like hell, and enjoy having a nice body.

Pin TRT or if you want some more gains but less sides, do very long 250mg test cruises or something

>>42486142
mirin

all you need is test and time.

>>42486085
The doctor I work for would. He is a urologist that speacilizes in TRT (read: he is not a good surgeon so he has to), that is as long as you have good insurance or can pay cash.

So... a total of 15mg of Yohimbine today.
Nothing special happened except feeling a bit on edge.

How are you all doing?

>>42486141
I would say just do it yourself but I have no idea if prolactin management is doable on your own.

I got my test measured in nmol/L. 17 out of a reference range of 8-35. Anyone know how much test I would need tot take to get it to the "upper natty" limit?

>>42486208
You don't add to your natural test, you replace it.

So anywhere between 100 and 200mg per week.

>>42486252

Oh I see.

I don't want to to do much because I'm worried about androgenic side effects. I'm prone to acne and have really thin hair. I'm only 24 and don't want to be bald before 30.

>>42485939
anyone? was it the OHP pr that forced my back straight?

>>42486289

Most likely the row. I always felt like standing more upright after some row exersise or other.

>>42486298

and the lat pulldown*

You worked your back muscles and they contribute to thorax extension a.k.a standing up straight.

>>42486157
I appreciate it brother. I know it's probably said somewhere around here, but where can I get a 6 month supply for a good deal?

Any good steroid documentaries?

>>42486769
Love to view some good ones as well.
Most just go deep into the negative aspect of steroid usage.

>>42486769
Nothing that's not crazy anti roids.
>Guy uses sensible levels of Testosterone whilst carefully monitoring his blood work and treating symptoms carefully.
Is not a good subtitle for a documentary.

>>42486805
>>42486797

Icarus.

I really really want to buy steroids.

>>42486813
Looks good, its even on netflix.

>>42486827
Go ahead and buy them then.

>>42486837

Yeah I've seen it. It's pretty great.

>>42486837

Cant find them.

>>42486859
Then you don't want them hard enough.

>>42486867

I either

>find source
>buy
>Gets held up at customs because illegal

or

>find source
>buy
>product is literal sugar

>>42486879
Try sticking to domestic.
Where are you from?

>>42486883
Norway

I tried ordering some valium for sleep gains a year ago via amazon and it got held up. I haven't tried buying yet but I'm sure something of the two examples will happen. I've found some that has good reviews, but is it just internal shilling or actual good reviews? Can't know for sure. I really wish it wasn't so illegal.

>>42486894
>Norway
I'm so sorry.

Trial and error is mostly your best bet. Find domestic sources and google the crap out of them to find out of they're legit.

>>42486928
Also use bing, google seems to filter steroid related shit to some degree.

>>42486956
>>42486928

Okay thanks man.

>>42486956
Huh never knew.
Does it tie in with the recent Youtube ad revenue change regarding steroids?

>>42486966
I have no idea, but where certain brands are hard to find on google they show up in masses on bing.

>>42486973
Thats good to know.
Will remember in case I have/want to try a new ugl brand.

>>42486769
bigger stronger faster

>>42486319
i cant tell you, and i only use a single source, and i dont live in murica

go to reddit SST for sources

>>42486263
Use accutane and either embrace your shiny dome or attempt the masT meme stack

>>42487097
SST is useless for euros.

>>42487097
Thanks man I really appreciate it. I'll check there

Can someone send me WGs email, I can't find it

[email protected]

>>42486263
>>42487103
Don't just run Accutane until you are out op options.

MasT's stack is amazing:
Keto Shampoo
Saw Palmetto
Biotin
Pumpkin Seed Oil

I dont use the shampoo and got great results.

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LUL when people dont believe my gains after 4 months of lifting on a vegan diet KEK

>>42487111
kinda of, try eroids/meso, whatever the fuck its called

>>42487146
Would you say going vegan yields better gains or just an alternate way of consuming foods.
I've read alot of good things on going vegan but I really like meat.

>>42486894
I'm from Norway and there is a website where you can buy roids from within the country. It is of course more expensive, but you don't have to worry about having to pay a fine of 50k NOK if you get caught importing steroids.

Google "steroid borsen" and you'll find it.

CHECK THIS OUT

>>42487148

>>42487007

MEAT EATERS DIG YOUR GRAVE

>>42487159
no i dont think it yields better gains. I think its just an alternate way to get your nutrients.

I do believe being a vegan might be harder. Meaning if you dont know what you are doing, you end up like those stereotypical vegan faggots.

If you like meat keep eating it. You should go vegan if you you have a good reason to.
I went vegan, because i believe it expands your lifespan. And one of my overall life goals it to become as old as possible. I dream about becoming 200 years old. Obviouslyn not gonna happen but its a dream.

>inb4 you take roids tho
i know, my main reason i regret it. But it had to be done.

>>42487146
>any diet
>on gear
wowee
thats impressive

>>42487214
>I dream about becoming 200 years old
Did you learn nothing of Conan?

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>>42487235
sorry to burst your bubble but i didnt start roiding until 1 year and 2 months into lifting.

Pic related is still natty, a month before i started roiding, so 1 year into lifting.

the pic i posted here >>42487146 is 4 months into lifting, the idea of steroids didnt even appear in my mind at that time

another meat eaters world CRUSHED.
Take the truth like a real man.

>>42487254
literally who

>raloxifene is fucking impossible to get in europe

WHY

LMFAO LOOK AT THESE FAGGOTS

>>42487273

>>42487298

>>42487206

>>42487323
try to find letro?

>>42487347
I don't want to destroy my estrogen completely.

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>>42482485

1. LEGIT WHORE MOANS
2. DIET
3. GENETICS
4. TRAINING

>>42485841
Male, horrible hormone issues from puberty.

>>42473599
Ive been doing:
50mg Test Prop EOD
250IU HCG EOD
.25mg Anastrozole EOD (On Prop day)

For 3 months now and its going great. Can I really keep this dose forever as long as I keep track of bloods?

>>42487146
post a pre-lifting picture

>>42487199

Will check it out. Takk broder.

>>42487452
if you didnt dose so weirdly
>50mg prop EOD
i could tell you.

If you get above natty hormone levels, no you cant dose forever. For a quite long time yes, but not forever.

>>42487299
>another meat eaters world CRUSHED.
>Take the truth like a real man.
ayo bucko cool it im vegan
was just saying that making massive gains on veganism is rough

>>42487476
That's wrong and very blatantly. As long as bloodwork checks out within range you can dose whatever you want with negligible impact.

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>>42487522
its not rough at all, im the perfect example.

What does this also prove? TRAINING IS EVERYTHING AND DIET DOESNT MEAN SHIT.

fist bump vegan bruda

>>42487523
how likely are your bloods going to be fine if you stay at 2000 ng/dl for years? Very unlikely.

>>42487461
digging out old vids or pics is a pain.

>>42487596
so you're actually trying to say you went from this to >>42487146 in 4 months?

>>42487602
>so you are trying to sa-

ANOTHER MEAT EATERS WORLD CRUSHED.
The absolute best feeling. That in itself makes lifting worthwhile.

>>42487111
>useless for euro's

Theres one dude selling UGL who's cheap af and already has bloodworks. Several UK ones who deliver to EU, and then theres homo coloured panda who's the cheapest in bulk.

>>42473599
REMINDER: No amount of steroids will cure you of being a little beta cunt.

>>42487938
REMINDER: No matter how much steroids you use, you will ALWAYS be the BETA-AS-FUCK little cunt on the inside you've always been. All the bullies you've ever known will all still easily dominate you. Your (step)fathers will still always scare the piss out of you. You will still never be able to talk to that girl you like so much without stuttering. Steroids will not give you a personality, or a sense of humor, make you intelligent, or make you an interesting, worthwhile person; all they'll do is make you into a MEAT ANIMAL.

Meanwhile guys who were smarter than you, who didn't use steroids, who spent more time becoming someone worth knowing, have actual girlfriends who stick around, are there for them, and actually CARE about them. Be sure to enjoy your empty physical encounters with skeezy club sluts, LOL.

>At church
>church friends asks to use my phone to google something since he has no reception
>say sure
>make sure to close my fraud tab, sst and research pages
>give it over
>forgot about google autofill data
>tons of stuff about steroids fills up the screen
>"Oh yeah don't worry about that stuff, just doing research for work."
>sweatsnervously.jpg

100% he knows I roid now.

>>42488171
get ready to be kicked from your church

>>42488203
>kicked

Nah. I've done confession about roids.

>>42488219
then why do you fuss about this.

also what did the priest say?

I need to adjust this idolm@s shirt so it fits.
But the logo is too big to make it a stringer
Do you guys know a good way to take the sleeves off t shirts? I start there

>>42488171
wtf was he searching
its like that one guy making a post about a junior bodybuilding show and he said "tren" instead of "train"

>>42488171
kek

>>42488171
I post so much on my phone that a shitton of my autocorrects bring up steroids related words

I actually sent steroidcalc.com by mistake to someone over text because autocorrect fucked up, that was a bad one

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His after. Keep in mind this is 12 weeks with test/deca/dbol.

>>42488365
>>42488373
Fuck why did my 4chan addon rape all the first text.

He did a 12 week test/deca/dbol cycle and ended up looking the same. I guess MasT was right, lol.

>>42488365
>>42488373

I don't know who that is, but I don't believe you.

>>42488373
12 weeks seems excessive for the result. would have expected more gains. what were dosages ? does he really train well? or just bullshit around?

>>42488386
>>42488391

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pics/127254-before-after-12-a.html

Unless he is a massive troll (doubt it). Found it by googling cycle results as I was bored.

>>42488393
>All those guys saying "gain 40 lbs lean mass" before doing cycle are retarded. I did it perfectly and got the exact amount of gains I wanted.
lol fuck that he's trolling

>>42488244
Because a priest is bound to confidentiality. A friend is not.

Priest didn't say anything. I get asked if I am remorseful and I will be forgiven, I say no. He then asks if I would like him to pray for me. I say yes.

It's not a mortal sin so I'm not going to be kicked from church. I just pay for it in purgatory.

Paging chem. I have bento related questions

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>>42489988
>>42489988
>>42489988