sumo deadlifts are fucking gay as shit and do NOT count

we know, bruh.

all deadlifts are gay and for unathletic fucks that can't clean lol

>>42472587
>muh superior olimpick weightlifting

you can't even clean 315 lol

For once OP isn't a fag. Sumo should be banned from all competition. Seeing people pulling sumo in my gym makes my blood boil.

>>42472587
cleans are the most useless meme exercise there is

>>42472595

When you clean 315, what do you usually do when the weight is at your shoulders? Do you just step back and let them drop to the floor? I was cleaning heavy the other day and reverse cleaning the weight to my thighs felt a bit violent as I put more than two plates on the bar.

Just curious, not throwing shade.

>>42472688
yeah i just drop the bar when i get to the top because i've always had the luxury of a lifting platform

>>42472644
One of the great things about strongman is that it used to be banned (it might still be banned but i can't remember and cba to look)

>>42472688
i do them on a lifting platform and drop the weight even if it's just 1pl8

>>42472757
>>42472739

I see. Thanks.

No platform so I'm going to have to keep muscling them down. It'll probably mess up the bars if I do otherwise, with the whole unit bouncing back up past my knees if I drop it.

>>42472781
do you train at home? if so you can do what strongmen do which is get some big tires to drop the weight on then just do hang cleans

much cheaper than lifting platform

>>42472559
I love pissing off nerds with my sumos

>>42472806

No, I lift at a preppy Y that has a very decent setup but no love for Oly lifting. I do have access to bumpers I can bring outside on gravel or grass but I live in a region that has heavy snowfall, so no year-round solution.

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>/fit/ tells me sumos aren't real deadlifts
>do them anyways
SCOUNDREL

sumo deadlifts are the downsyndrome version of real deadlifts, daily reminder

>>42472877
I started doing them because my back is relatively overdeveloped compared to my legs

>tfw stronger on conventional

feels good desu

>>42472559

noob lifter here

does dead lifting give you gains?

i tried it once it felt like i was on my to snap back city and i stopped.

to me it seems like dead lifts serve no purpose other than to show off how much you can lift

>>42472833
>>42472877
>making yourself weaker
>I s-s-sure showed them!

>>42472925
The idea is that they let us non manlet well per-portioned lifters deadlift with minimal back strain. The only people who say they don't count are long armed manlets who want to feel superior for once in their tiny lives.

>>42472944
Go back to your curls, mate.
Deadlifts train your entire back side.
From your hams to your traps.

>>42472962
>The idea is that they let us non manlet well per-portioned lifters deadlift with minimal back strain.
The point of deadlifts is to work your back
If it's too heavy and you're hurting yourself, deload and work your way up there properly

Sumo transfers the load from the posterior chain to your quads. That makes it more of a modified squat

>>42472559
My conventional is a little stronger, but I still do sumo as an assistance movement. I might be a little gay though.

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>>42473002
>t.never done sumos before
>t.5'6
>t.6'4 wingspan
anon us adults are talking here go back to your playroom

>>42472559
I agree with you, friend.

>pull sumo with a round back and high hips for the best of all worlds

d ev il is h

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Sumo is a good assistance exercise for real deadlifts.
But I agree, it should be kept out of competition.

Pulled a disc in my lower back years ago, conventional feels straight up bad even at very low weight. Sumo works for me. Forever gay, oh well.

>>42472962
i am a long armed manlet and can confirm

>>42473110
DELETE THIS! YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO ADMIT SHIT!

>>42472944
This had better be bait.

>mfw pull sumo and i dont give a fuck because i can pull exactly same numbers conv and sumo but sumo feels much easier on my lower back

Besides works my glutes like oh mama

>>42473157
>mfw squat quarter and i dont give a fuck because i can pull exactly same numbers a2g and quarter but quarter feels much easier on my quads

>>42473180
parrallel squat and atg squat would be closer comparision but whatever you say retard

Even Ed Coan says sumo is harder technically, but some autist on basket weaving forum thinks his opinion matters


If you are not built to do a lift, dont fucking do it for bonus meme points

>>42473253
>parrallel squat and atg squat would be closer comparision
Not really since parallel and atg activate the same muscle groups to nearly the same degree.
Sumo and conventional are quite different with sumo activating quads a lot more than conventional.

>>42472559
Someone got out-pulled at the gym yesterday

>>42473002
That's not really true, it's still a ham/glute dominant hip hinge. For both styles there will be some quad push involved as well, but the reverse squat thing only really happens in equipment.

ITT dyel faggots that don't even DL talking shit about a legitimate exercise.

Conventional DL is terrible for your back and it's easy to get the form wrong. Sumo is a much more natural body movement and follows the proper lifting method of keeping your back straight and lifting with your legs.

The mindset that sumo is for fags and real men do conventional is the same brute mentality that led to hearing loss around firearms, because only pussies wear hearing protection, a real man listens to explosions happening right next to his ear and enjoys it.

>>42473279
Greg Nuckols says you're wrong and he's not some anonymous shitposter soo

>>42473308
>it's still a ham/glute dominant hip hinge. For both styles there will be some quad push involved as well
I'm not denying that.
But likewise you can't deny that Sumo uses a lot more quads than conventional.

The "goal" of deadlifts isn't to pull big numbers, it's to train your posterior chain. If you shift the load partially forward, then doesn't defeat the purpose of doing the lift in the first place?

>>42473321
Does this guy really say that Sumo doesn't use any more quads than Conventional?
Is he retarded?

>there are people who seriously care about how much lenght random people leave between their feet while deadlifting

wow ok

>>42473349
why are you emotionally attached to this kind of shit? Get a grip man, you behave like a child

>>42473340
>The "goal" of deadlifts isn't to pull big numbers
powershitters would disagree

It all depends on your goals, if sumo allows you to get strong faster and safer because of your proportions then that's only logical to train it. I still think you should train both for general strength, they compliment each other pretty nicely.

>>42472962
i prefer sumos desu

>>42473356

Sumo "deadlifter" spotted.

>>42473356
this. egolifting at its most pathetic
>everyone has to perform movements the way I do

>>42473349
He says it's a very minimal change in musculature used, which it is.

>>42473340
Sumo still hammers all your PC musculature just fine.

>>42473382
>It all depends on your goals
/thread

>>42473349
> During the sumo deadlift, the EMG muscle activity for the vastus lateralis, vastus medialis and tibialis anterior was 48%, 44% and 18% of the maximum voluntary isometric contraction (MVIC) respectively. This was compared to 40%, 36% and 13% MVIC respectively during the conventional deadlift.
not even 10% difference

>>42473402
> i suck at this lift and anyone who does it differently with more weight is obviously cheating

>>42473396
Jokes on you i don't deadlift at all because i like my non herniated back

>>42473436

There is literally zero evidence to show barbell deadlifting causes spinal injury.

Please stop perpetuating momscience.

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>>42473423
With such precise numbers, it's obvious they only tested one guy.
The shorter the arms, the more quads come into play.

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>>42473444
Yeah man i'm sure it's merely a coincidence all powerlifter bust their backs between 20 and 30, just dumb luck. Just mom science

>>42473455
>Escamilla et al., (2002) researched EMG differences in the lower body muscles during the sumo and conventional deadlift in 13 collegiate football players.

>>42473472
>all powerlifter bust their backs between 20 and 30,

But they don't.
>hurrdurr I'll back up my argument by presenting a made up fact

>>42473472
Proofs?
And even if it were true, powerlifters are all about meeting the numbers no matter what. Hitching and yanking and rounding the back doesn't matter so long as they eventually get it to the top.
Don't take powerlifters as an example

It's like saying I don't drive because of demolition derbies

>>42473477
>football players

>>42473496
Powerlifters dont hitch it gets you red lights

>>42473505
>people who know how to lift being used to study lifting

>>42473519
>implying football players know how to properly lift

>>42473505
>football players
so what all football players deadlift extensively and the average college football player probably deadlifts more than 99% of /fit/

>>42473530

I bet you are weak as fuck and take pride in your "perfect form"

>>42472559

A better way to phrase this would be: Sumo deadlifts are actually a different exercise and engage your muscles differently. Apples and oranges.

I hybrid deadlift. Arms slightly in from where they are in conventional and legs right outside the arms.
Feels immeasurably better than conventional for me. Great leverage, easy to lock in and engage the upper back without any rounding, no knee issues, no lower back issues... Feels like a much more bio-mechanically sound movement overall.

If I had longer arms and shorter legs I'd do conventional but even with tight as fuck form it just feels shit.

>>42473544
you seem to have issues, whats wrong with you dude. do you conduct yourself like this in real life too

> people who lift sumo unironically make fun of trap bar deads

>>42473530
Better than some random retard undergrad snatched out of the bio dept

>>42473580
That's just sumo, anon, it's okay.

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>do sumo with mixed grip
>instantly adds 50lbsvto my 5rm

Lmao just try to stop me you fags

Deadlifts and sumo deadlifts are two different exercises as much as front squats and low bar back squats are.

>>42473668
So yes totally different?

>>42473581

ur the one who said footballers dont know how to lift m8

>>42473677
not the one you responded to

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Whether or not you are better suited to pull conventional or sumo is entirely dependant on limb length/segmentation, internal leverages and your own hip anatomy.

Only you can stop stance shaming.

If sumo is acceptable then so is benching without lowering the bar completely to my chest

>>42473668

Also those are unironically the same exercise, just you have severely worse leverages for moving weight lowbar compared to front squats. The only difference is which spinal erectors, lumbar for lowbar and thoracic for front, are under the most strain under heavy loads.

>>42473668
Mmm more like highbar and lowbar but okey

Sumo-deadlifts and rack pulls are just ways for faggots to cheat their deadlift like bench and squat. If you wanna egolift bench, you half-rep. If you wanna egolift squat, you half-rep. But since you can't half-rep a deadlift, you have to create totally different exercises to cut the movement in half for genetically inferior men. See Asian powerlifters

>>42473609
i bet football players at least sometimes train conventional and never do sumo(which is a technical lift thats hard to get right) and that you would see larger seperation in the muscle recruitment as they sumoed more and were able to recruit muscle more efficiently. i dont think any researcher is retarded enough to overlook that but ok.

>>42473796
its mister a2g from the youtube comments

>>42473796
>cheat their deadlift like bench and squat
how can you cheat when you arent competing. The arbitrary rules of a sport you dont compete in do not apply to you. They. Do. Not. Apply. To. You.
Do you understand this? People have different goals. Is that so hard to comprehend?

>>42473860

Don't waste your breath.

The idea that people might lift to develop strength in the most bio-mechanically sound and balanced way possible just doesn't even register for the 'competitors'.

Fuck I'd rather trap bar deadlift than ever use a barbell again, why? Because for me it's a far safer/more comfortable exercise that allows me to lift more weight and recruit more muscle in a way much closer to the intent of my physiology.

Having to do 'conventional' deadlifts is arbitrary and only applies to competition. Yeah, lemme grease up the bar beforehand because it's 'harder' and therefore more legitimate.

I want to lift heavy into old age and I find time and time again that there are ergonomically superior lifts to all those used in competition.

>>42473897
>Fuck I'd rather trap bar deadlift than ever use a barbell again, why? Because for me it's a far safer/more comfortable exercise that allows me to lift more weight and recruit more muscle in a way much closer to the intent of my physiology.
Absolutely agree.
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/trap-bar-deadlifts/
If you just want to get aesthetic and hate doing barbell deadlifts, try it out with the trap bar. It wont affect your gains in any way whatsoever.
You might trigger some neckbeard on /fit/ identifying as a powerlifter, but thats it.
Also, trap bar dl are way better for high reps

>>42473935
>Deadlifts
>higher reps

>>42473946
Yeah lol, just do 1x5 for the rest of your life.

>>42473935
>Also, trap bar dl

the only thing that might make you and even bigger pussy bitch than sumo deadlifts. gj faggot.

>>42473955
3x3 nigga

>>42473957
Im deadlifting with a barbell. I dont lose my shit when I see someone trapbar deadlifting though. My guess is that if I were to get angry at people not training the way I do, Id take a hard look at myself before judging others, but then again, im just a normie

>>42473897
>>42473935
I'd love to try a trap bar one day, but my gym is owned by a pair of super conventional Bulgarian power lifters

>>42473935
Having done deadlift, high bar squat, and trap bar deadlift, I honestly think trap bar DL is more similar to squat than it is to conventional DL. Maybe it's just because I have really long legs, but to me DL puts a ton of stress on my lower back. That tells me I have to go slowly and make my form is perfect, though; not that I should just abandon it altogether. I think some people ITT are really failing to admit that they don't like conventional DL because they suck at it. I've never done sumo DL, but if it's anything like trap bar I don't see the point of it.

>>42473044
>5'6
just kill yourself anon

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I do sumo deadlifts and I dont give a fuck what you faggots think.

They feel much better for me than conventional so why should I ever not do sumo?

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Idk I can lift lmao4pl8 conventional and only 3 on sumo, I'd say sumo is harder. Even being harder, it still feels better on the back and my legs have never been as sore the day after.

Call me gay but I feel like sumo is the better dl

>>42475320
It's not harder/easier. It's just different, and more suited for some people compared to others.

If it was easier or better then then every powerlifter would pull sumo, just like literally all of them lowbar squat.

>>42475360
>If it was easier or better then then every powerlifter would pull sumo
Don't a vast majority do just that?

>>42472559
There's some fag at my gym who thinks he tough as shit, wears a belt and knee braces and all that shit to sumo deadlift 3.5 pl8s. Screams on the way up, and at the top of it he just drops the weight and lets it slam into the ground. Does this for sets of 4 and then walks around gasping for air, shit looks retarded

>>42475370
No, in the lighter classes almost everyone pulls sumo but otherwise it's a pretty even split.

>>42473313
Go back to your aerobics classes bitch boy

>>42475532
>Sumo decreases with skill
Huh, makes you think

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>>42475621
>Skill

Do you really believe the 93kg weightclass is less skilled than the 120kg+ weightclass?

Pic related, sumo pullers in the IPF. I agree that the women and lighter weights almost all pull sumo but still... ur argument doesn't make sense.

Unless you're somehow implying that only men 105+kg in the IPF are skilled in the sport of powerlifting.

>>42475678
Oh sorry, I thought that everyone would be the same height and the weightclasses didn't represent their best ability and rather were just the stage of their development.

Let me fix that
>Sumo decreases with height

>>42473080
There are 4 powerlifters in your photo, one bodybuilder competing in a powerlifting meet (which makes him a powerlifter) and a guy who needs heels to preform a high bar squat.

>>42475678
What's the most populated weight class?

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>>42475704
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/should-you-deadlift-conventional-or-sumo/

Kind of, but not exactly.

The exact numbers change over time, but in general, about 2/3 of female lifters and males under 100kg pull sumo, and about 2/3 of male lifters over 100kg deadlift conventional. Nowadays, sumo is exceptionally popular. In the late ’90s, on the other hand (at the national meet where Escamilla gathered his data), 70% of the lifters deadlifted conventional, including 85% of the lifters above 83kg, and 55% of the lifters below 83kg.

However, don’t just pick one variation over another because of your sex, size, or build. The shift in popularity over time is, I believe, reflective of changes in popular training styles. Heavy, frequent back work was popular in the 90s, including higher deadlift volumes, and a steady diet of rows, good mornings, and back raises. They likely had stronger backs as a group, and consequently they largely preferred the conventional deadlift. Nowadays, more frequent, higher volume squatting and relatively less direct posterior chain training mean current lifters have stronger quads as a group, so they prefer the sumo deadlift.

Give them both a shot. Neither variation is inherently easier or harder than the other, and hip extension demands are virtually identical; however, one or the other will likely be noticeably stronger for you in the long run, based largely on your personal hip structure, which determines the range of motion your hips can go through comfortably, and the tension on the muscles around your hip at varying degrees of flexion, abduction, and external rotation.

>>42475802
>Neither variation is inherently easier or harder than the other
One can argue that quads are a lot easier to train than back and are a lot stronger by default, which therefore would make sumo easier, generally, than conventional which requires harder training and more training from the start

>>42475829
The article talks about how the primary difference is your hip structure.

>Conventional deadlifts are harder on your spinal erectors off the floor. Data from Cholewicki shows that spinal extension demands are approximately 10% higher in the conventional deadlift. Since the torso is inclined farther forward at the start of the lift, it’ll take a harder contraction of the spinal erectors to keep the back extended as the bar breaks off the floor.

10% off the floor isn't exactly what i'd call "a lot harder" or "a lot tougher".

>>42475853
Difficulty isn't linear though.
A 10% shave off your 1RM makes a HUGE different to how easy it feels

>>42475829
You could also argue that sumo is technically more demanding and you can't outright use all your potential because it takes more time to learn the movement. Conventional is pretty simple in comparison. In the long run the stronger variation is determined by your proportions and hip structure so it doesn't really matter which is stronger by default (if you're just working for them high numbers).

>>42475891
Not really more difficult, it's just that with conventional you can have bad setup and STILL be able to pull the weight, with sumo that's not possible. (In conventional the bar can be too far ahead/too behind the middle of your foot and you'll still be able to compensate)

>>42475853
It is when you get out of babbyweights.

>>42475923
And sumo uses more quads, what's ur point

Every deadlift and squat is a meme. You all fell for it DYELS.

>>42472559
>implying deadlifts matter

>>42475957
Everything is a meme, including lifting and living

>>42475909
Depends on how wide your stance is, I just do close stance sumo and I have to really concentrate to get into proper position, wider stances are pretty damn demanding or maybe I'm an immobile faggot. Conventional is much easier for me, maybe it will change in the future but for now sumo feels harder.

>>42473957
its a superior exercise though

also you still get to pick heavy shit up with FAR less risk

>>42475969
Again, that's not because it's "harder" or because it's "easier", it's just YOUR body, and what works best for YOU.

Ed Coan sumo deadlifts with a much narrower stance, other sumo pullers deadlift with their feet nearly touching the plates. Just do what works for you man there's no wrong answer

>>42475969
>My dips are doing great. Better stop and do only bench

>>42475945
The point is that quads are already focused on heavily in the squat, and deadlift should remain quite separate from squat. Allowing sumo deadlift in competition simply makes lower back less important. In a competition where the 4 lifts are supposed to be essentially separate from each other this is problematic, as opposed to Olympic lifting, where the large overlap between the lifts is intended.

>>42472660
The most retarded thing I have ever read on Fit. Cleans are by far the most useful fucking lift you could do in the gym. Nothing hits as many muscles and a clean and press, nothing. Nothing promotes power development better than cleans.

>>42475998
>not doing variations to keep making gains

>>42476035
>In a competition where the 4 lifts are supposed to be essentially separate from each other this is problematic,

What 4 lifts?

There are only 3 lifts in powerlifting.

>>42475985
I'm not arguing which is better, I do both variations. I'm just saying that the wider the stance, the more flexible you have to be to reach that hip abduction and that makes it harder technically. You can have hip structure perfect for wide stance and not be able to do it because you do not good have mobility.

>>42475998
I don't know what you're on about, I didn't drop conventional. I do sumo to hit adductors and glutes more.

>>42476058
I would post a picture of my body to prove you wrong, but I could be identified based on my scars (used to be involved with a fight club, stabbed multiple times) and my gang affiliated tattoos from when I spent 10 years in one of the toughest prisons in the country (I’m, probably, in the top priority list of the FBI right now).

I know your type, though. You think because you can squat and deadlift heavy that you're a big guy with an impressive physique. I have built plenty of muscle without those autistic lifts. You probably think you're superior because you follow the routines of a fat little redneck man with no real knowledge of building muscular or strength. You don’t know shit about muscles and strength if you have not trained the way I had, I literally learned from the best, and you got no shit on me, you fat autistic neckbeard.

>>42476082
Ease up tough guy, you're so scary I won't be able to sleep at night.

>>42472559
Agreed.

If sumo isnt counted as real deadlifts, are mixed grip deadlifts also not real?

How do you sumo DL without destroying your knees?

>>42476144
If mixed grip isn't real, then nor are wraps

>>42476150
leggings

>>42476058
>nothing hits as many muscles
you're not going to get big from cleans alone
>nothing promotes power development better
jumping trap bar deadlift, which is probably 100x technically simpler and can be loaded heavier

>>42476082
not in the am bro

>>42476082
Is this a new pasta?

>>42476082
>after learning from the most alpha male in the universe, AlphaDestiny, I finally hit 4 pl8 jefferson deadlift
>better than those stupid autists pulling standard variations
>decide to go to a club
>what can go wrong, I'm a tough manly man with many muscles trained by the best
>get stabbed by some BBC nigger when I tried my alpha charm on one of his women
>try to be manly and ask him to stop stabbing me
>get sent to azkaban for being racist
>become a dementors' bitch boy
>as I suck on their nuts so nicely they decide to grant me the cutest bitch-boy tattoo
>says "from the gang" as I was the best in gangbang actions
>act tough on /fit/

I got a little hard for the second part desu

>>42475969

It's the total opposite for me. With conventional if I'm not 100% perfect the lift will be beyond shit. With narrow sumo I can't help but adopt perfect form every single rep. It feels so good having nothing to focus on but actually just squeezing and exerting to pull the weight instead of having to fuck around will all kinds of cues and variables.

>>42476082

that's our boy hemingway!

>>42476287
>jefferson deadlift
Speaking of which, has anyone actually tried this for more than one or two lifts?

>>42473496
>i have no idea what im talking about
>but that doesnt stop me from talking

i swear to god /fit/ gets dumber by the day

>>42475036
Jesus Christ anon can you not into post context?

>>42476150
Sounds like you are doing it wrong. I've never felt pain in my knees from sumo.

>>42472587
Deadlift is a partial movement for cleans

>>42472962
/thread