NAME ONE AMINO ACIDS THAT YOU CAN'T GET FROM A VEGAN DIET

>>42459415
Also new discord : https://discord.gg/bdnfkuy

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i really like Durarara!!, gonna watch Baccano next.

>>42459415
NAME HOW MANY POUNDS OF CAULIFLOWER YOU NEED TO HIT 150 G PROTEIN

>>42459561
Youre in for a treat! Baccano is much better imo

>>42459590
kek I always laugh when they cite peanut butter and beans as protein source, yeah right good luck with the volume and/or kcals

today I already ate lunch and prepped dinner and late night snack for work, none used meat but I had to resort to quark and a scoop of whey to get protein otherwise I'd get fucked
seems impossible to cut on 1700kcals without animal prodcuts

>>42459590
i don't care how many I'm a fatty and I'll eat all that shit califlower is delicious, have you tried cali tandori or punjab cali or califlower bread damn son you best set upp a meeting with the califlower lobbists before you go flappin yo mouf

>>42459415
whatever, but dead animals taste delicious

>>42459896
Pajeet get out

>>42459895
You realize that 1 can of beans is 25g of protein, and 1 cup of uncooked lentils is 50g, plant based protein powders are a thing too you know.

>>42459415
lol what about amino acid chains?
Based creatine is (nearly) impossible to get in a vegan diet without animal products.

More importantly, while you CAN live a healthy vegan diet, unless you have extensive knowledge in nutrition you WONT.

It's simply much more difficult to get the quantity of amino acids in your diet you need.

But if you can do it right go for it! Have fun with your diet and I'm glad you are doing what you think is morally right!

>>42460084
fuck I always forget about the lentils and I really enjoy them
Isn't plant based protein a bit awful on taste? Would love some recommendation, lurked prozis but they seem to have bad reviews

also, recently I've started caring past macros and looking into minerals and vitamins, how can I ensure I hit the necessary ones? I eat healthy all the time, my "cheat" meal is basically upping the amount of food I already eat


I'm not looking into going full vegan but I do enjoy days where I don't touch animal products

>>42459415
>EPA, DHA Omega 3 fatty acids
>B12
>probably a lack of Carnitine

>>42459415
Pussy

>>42460132
I always mix my powders into a lot of other stuff so I don't really notice the taste so sorry I can't help you on that front, maybe just look at amazon reviews?

>>42459415
>NAME ONE AMINO ACIDS THAT YOU CAN'T GET FROM A VEGAN DIET
carnitine, carnosine and its precursor beta-alanine, just to name a few.

>>42460190
>probably a lack of Carnitine
The body can make it out of aminoacids.
Same with Taurine.
The real problem micros are
>Creatine (you need so much anyway, just supplement it)
>non-ALA omega-3s
>Co-enzyme Q10 (expensive to supplement too!)

>>42459415
Flavor

>>42459415
If b12 is so supplemented, why are vegans still vitamin b12 deficient?

>>42460272
>carnitine
Not essential
> carnosine
Not essential
>beta-alanine
Not essential
>just to name a few.
Try again bitch boy

>>42460132
Bulk powders and MyProtein

>>42460375
>not essential
Quite the contrary, they are absolutely essential and you'll be dead without them. Not to mention your physical performance and your ageing. The body can adjust and produce some of it itself starting from precursors, but it can't supply it if it's laking precursors too.
I'm not even a meat eater, you should educate yourself a little more on this subject.

What if you can't get your supps? What if SHTF and you can't grow your own food? During winter most of your food would be meat/animal products. What if you can't fly in your crops, or if you can't store your food in a freezer/fridge? It really is not sustainable of you live in a place where you cannot grow the food you eat. Would you attempt to stay vegan even though brain damage is almost guaranteed after 2-3 years? You need that B12 senpai.

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>>42460375
>NAME ONE THING YOU'LL BE MISSING
>here it is
>YOU CAN SURVIVE ANYWAY
like clockwork

>>42460447
>they are absolutely essential
Check yourself because you rek yourself
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+are+essential+amino+acids
>>42460473
See above

>>42460375
>shifting the goal posts this hard
If you don't want to be made to look like an ass then be more specific next time.

>>42460721
Dig deeper than that, my friend.

>>42460762
only two -ines I need are ketamine and amphetamine. ya kna amine?

>>42459430
yeh the admin of the old one killed himself?

>>42460762
Legitimate responses are now goalpost shifts? How?
>>42460769
Please do educate me

>>42460857
What the fuck. Legit?

>>42460846
>asks for something not found in vegan diets
>receives answers
>"no wait I only want to hear about the essentials now!"
Really percolates my pistachios.

>>42459590
NAME HOW MANY POUNDS OF ANIMAL URINE YOU NEED TO DRINK TO HIT 150 G PROTEIN

>>42460473
non essential doiesn't mean "you can survive" it means that your body can metabolize them if needed

>>42460901
>receives answers
Wrong answers don't count, baka. Non essential amino acids can be synthesized as long as you eat enough protein and essential AAs

>>42460934
You said to name something that can't be found in a vegan diet. You failed to specify whether it was to be a necessity and have now resorted to crying foul after getting an answer.

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I get soy protein for a dollar a pound in the bulk section at Sprouts.
You're supposed to write the corresponding code on the bag but I just use the flour code

>>42460721
http://www.aminoacid-studies.com/amino-acids/carnitine.html
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Carnitine-HealthProfessional/
"conditionally essential" aka if you have genetic disorder or if you lack precursors. What are the precursors of carnitine?
>http://www.biomed.cas.cz/physiolres/pdf/49/49_399.pdf
lysine in particular is a limiting factor, it's not easy to obtain and you really need to exceed the omnivore RDA equivalent since you need to process all the carnitine on your own

same applies with carnosine, except that a carnosine deficiency is blatantly worse
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnosinemia#Symptoms
and beta-alanine here is an even more relevant limiting factor

>oh I didn't know that! Thank you
You're welcome

>>42460914
except it can't because precursors

>>42460914
>>42460447

>>42461216
>it's not easy to obtain
Man, let's keep the facts straight, lysine is EASY AS FUCK for vegans, from lentils.

>>42460132
My diet is like 10 core ingredients and i hit 95-100% of my nutrient goals on Cronometer. I eat:
Quick oats
Bananas
Kale (oats/bananas/kale is the base of all my shakes and shakes are 2/3 - 3/4 of my food which is fine because it's whole foods.)
Sweet potato
Avocado
Coconut oil
Vega proton & greens powder
Pumpkin seeds
Frozen blueberries
Broccoli

>>42461385
That is almost a perfect diet only thing you should consider is removing or lowering your Coconut oil. It's been linked to increasing LDL bad cholesteral about as much as butter.

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>>42461216
>conditionally essential" aka if you have genetic disorder
I don't. If you do, it's perfectly vegan to consume whey or another animal byproduct. That way, you are not directly harming an animal. You are still giving shekels to the dairy and veal Jew, but the definition of veganism includes "as far as possible and practicable". Nobody says that you should kys if you can't survive on veggies alone
>or if you lack precursors.
>lysine in particular is a limiting factor, it's not easy to obtain
Yes, it's very hard to obtain if you only eat fruits and pasta, in which case it's Darwinism at work.
However, if you eat beans, lentils, chickpeas and seitan every day like a normal person, you will get way more lysine than you need.
>Carnosine and beta alanine
Same as above.
>Oh I didn't know you had already researched that. Boy I sure look like a fool now. Good thing we're posting anonymously so I can shitpost tomorrow too

We're beating a long dead horse in these threads. Every day omnis make the same arguments, every day we beat you, thread gets buried, next day it's the same shit
Why do you persist? Do you get something out of posting the same stale tired lies every thread, or are you genuinely posting it out of good heart because it's your first time in the vegan general and you think you know better?

There is absolutely no legitimate argument to eat meat besides "I like the taste", "I'm used to it", "everyone does it I don't want to be *that* guy" and the only "good" argument against veganism is "I don't care"

This is where this will lead so just stop

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>>42461263
100 g of cooked lentils will contain 630mg in lysine
>http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/legumes-and-legume-products/4338/2
average lysine intake in omnivores is 4.38 g ( see the paper in the post you're quoting ) and
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK234922/
that means that the last debate on lysine RDA for an 80 kg omnivore adult (that doesn't have to produce all the carnitine by itself and probably doesn't lift) is something around ~2.8 g
lysine if crucial if you're lifting, so your needs are even higher
>https://www.strongerbyscience.com/athlete-protein-intake/
>When BCAAs are supplemented on top of some protein, the increase in MPS is smaller compared to simply eating more protein or adding only leucine
>Why would the addition of the two other BCAAs be worse than leucine alone? Isoleucine and valine use the same transporter as leucine for uptake in the gut. Therefore, it is speculated that isoleucine and valine compete for uptake with leucine, resulting in a less rapid plasma leucine peak.
>So, leucine supplementation on its own is better at producing the trigger for maximal MPS, and a complete protein is just better at providing the bricks for muscle growth. A BCAA supplement doesn’t fit anywhere in this picture; it’s worse than only leucine at doing leucine’s job, and it’s worse than a complete protein at its job.


>oh I didn't know that! Thank you
You're welcome

>>42461545
>I obtain enough lysine from pasta
Brain damage has already occurred on you, that's sad.

>>42461565
>>I obtain enough lysine from pasta
>Brain damage has already occurred on you, that's sad.

>I LITERALLY CANT READ I AM SILLY LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Kys

>>42461545
half of your post is you massaging your 5 cm cawk, the rest is factually incorrect or too promptly dismissive.
>Same as above
same as above what? you happen to produce beta-alanine from something that isn't carnosine in order to synthesise carnosine?

>>42461588
>I LITERALLY CANT READ I AM SILLY LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>didn't read a single line of the post
>k-kys
Beyond pathetic

>>42461565
>100 g of cooked lentils will contain 630mg in lysine
Admit that you can't cook, how much water are you using?
Raw it's 1.7g to 1.8g of lysine per 100g of lentils.
You need less than 250g of lentils per day to hit the average of 4.4g, and that's not much in a vegan diet.
It would be interesting to know how much total lysine would be needed for vegans.

>>42461657
>you're weighting in soup water
read the souce please.
>100g of [dry] lentils
will increase noticeably in size even if you just leave them in water overnight and steam them in a pressure cooker (no soups or anything like that)
less than beans, still quite dramatic

>>42461640
I never said I get my lysine from pastai insist, learn to read. Your attempts to dismiss veganism are beyond pathetic.
>>42461640
>half of your post is you massaging your cawk
This is a bit true.
>5cm
15*
>the rest is factually incorrect or too promptly dismissive.
Completely wrong. My post was 100% correct.
>>Same as above
>same as above what? you happen to produce beta-alanine from something that isn't carnosine in order to synthesise carnosine?
I get enough total protein (120 g without even trying, 200 if I cut carbs) and at least 250% RDA in all essential AAs, all non essential AAs are easily covered

>>42461723
>100g of [dry] lentils
>will increase noticeably in size
Yes, and in weight since they'll absorb water, but the calories will stay the same. The ratio of Lysine per calorie will stay the same.
It's disingenouous to use cooked weight, it makes it look like you're eating a fuckton of lentils, when you're really eating a lot of water with some lentils in it.
Also, mine do not absorb so much water, with your values you have literally 2 parts water to 1 part lentil!
With dry weights and values it's easy to see that you will need less than a packet of dry lentils per day.

>>42461729
>y-you are p-pathetic!
jesus.
>to dismiss veganism
never ever did that.
>learn to read
funny since it's coming from someone who clearly didn't read a single thing in that post.
>My post was 100% correct.
Dunning-Kruger would be amused.
> all non essential AAs are easily covered
and again you didn't read a single thing in that post. You can't produce carnosine, beta-alanine comes from carnosine and you're not getting enough lysine for your carnitine.

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>>42461793
Whatever man, keep telling yourself whatever you like hearing.

carnisone.

I don't have anything against you vegan lunatics, but the militant shilling is out of control. If you have to supplement to stay healthy, you know you're on a fucking shit diet.

>>42461781
>The ratio of Lysine per calorie will stay the same
Sure, but that's a fuckton of lentils
>It's disingenouous to use cooked weight, it makes it look like you're eating a fuckton of lentils, when you're really eating a lot of water with some lentils in it.
yeah, but you're eating a fuckton of lentils
>Also, mine do not absorb so much water, with your values you have literally 2 parts water to 1 part lentil!
Not my values
I mix red, giant and whichever type of lentils I find
I usually leave them in water overnight with other legumes and I consume after steaming in a pressure cooker. I put something like ~125 g lentils and ~125 g worth of other legumes. I know for a fact that the initial and final size isn't the same and that what seemed enough for a meal becomes enough for a couple of meals (I actually divide the ~250 g [DRY WEIGHT] legumes at lunch at dinner). I've never measured volume but I usually put them with double of their volume in water in a bowl and sometimes I find a fucking bean above the original water level the following day.
Which kind of lentils do you use?
>>42461885
Wow, a .png. Such argument.

>>42459415
>Your food is literally being supplemented in B12 and getting X amount of B12 from meat cost more than from supplement
I didn't know something could cost more for free and B12 being stored is the same as supplementing
>Animals store vitamin B12 in liver and muscle and some pass the vitamin into their eggs and milk; meat, liver, eggs and milk are therefore sources of the vitamin for other animals, including people.[3][5][27] For humans, the bioavailability from eggs is less than 9%, compared to 40% to 60% from fish, fowl and meat.[28] Insects are a source of B12 for animals (including other insects and humans).[27][29]

>Animal sources with a significant content of vitamin B12 (range among top 20 sources of 50 to 99 µg per 100 grams)[30] include clams, organ meats (especially liver) from lamb, veal, beef, and turkey, fish eggs, mackerel, and crab meat.[2][3]
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#Animal_sources

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just because 2 proteins contain the same amino acids doesn't mean they have the same biological value

not only are plant proteins generally on the low side for some essential amino acids, the protein structures themselves are less digestible and fewer amino acids are made available in the digestive tract compared to cooked animal protein

you excrete a larger portion of plant proteins compared to animal proteins, 100g broccoli protein is NOT equivalent to 100g of beef protein

vegan diets impair neurological development and health, lower testosterone levels, and are not as strongly associated with long-term health as vegans would have you believe

>>42461499
I only eat enough coconut oil to tip my ratio of saturated fats/polyunsaturated fats in favor of saturated fats. I get hella monounsaturated fats from the avacados and i supplement EPA+DHA rich plant baded omega3 oil for brain health. I eat this way to support test production and i prevent the LDL from forming plaques by keeping my cholesterol from oxidizing by eating a diet high in atioxidants.
I just had blood drawn the other day, so i'm interested to see how my cholesterol will look, tho i'm not too concerned.

>>42459415
I like to inject semen into my chicken breasts for extra protein

I feel like the extra testosterone will help with my gains and performance in the gym, but I don't think doing that to celery will help unless I'm trying to be DYEL as shit

>>42460129
What about being vegetarian and not vegan

>>42459415
>B12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYtMYspzKBg

>>42462619
I just suck off guys. Way more efficient. No homo though I do it for the test boost.

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>>42460284
>(expensive to supplement too!)
>Being poor

LMAO @ ur life, kiddo

>>42459415
>NAME ONE AMINO ACIDS THAT YOU CAN'T GET FROM A VEGAN DIET
Creatine, L-carnitine, Carnosine, taurine

>>42459415
Question. Humans evolved over the course of a few million years, and the modern humans have been on this planet for around 250,000 years, give or take. B12 supplements have been around, oh, 50 to 100 years at best.

Why again are people "meant to be vegan", when that is most certainly not true with that one fact?

>>42463018
not him and I dissent of the fact that you'll get all the required (or conditionally required) nutrients you really want on a strictly vegetarian diet without supplements other than B12, but here's my take on it
any attempt to create a "most natural" diet ultimately fail. Paleo fails in this regard simply because we can't guess what other ancestors really ate and because the food we have nowadays passed through a genetic selection that not even GMOs. Similarly, it fails any attempt to depict the strictly vegetarian diet as the "most natural" one.
We are extremely opportunistic primates. We evolved to resist in a wide range of very different conditions. We resist in subarctic regions, where the only thing you can eat is baby seals and where you'll never find anything green. We resist in subtropical regions, where you'll find plenty of fruits. We can eat fish. We learned to suck on cow's tiddies. We learned to drink eggs. And some vegans are now unironically learning to drink semen
>http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/14/vegan-single-mum-drinks-sperm-smoothies-every-morning-to-give-her-energy-6257252/
We are ultimately frugivore. The closest primate we come from is frugivore, not 100% herbivore. We evolved to be even more opportunistic and to craft artificial solutions to provide us food without too much effort.
It makes perfectly sense to move away from, say, meat, if you critically and arguably can find all your nutrients for your lifestyle in a different way. It may even make more sense to stop eating completely if we get a special tablet providing 100% of the required nutrients with 0% cancer. We constantly strive to delay our (natural) ageing and to find new ways to fight death.
200 years ago B12 tablets didn't exist. In 2200 there will be something that now we can't imagine of and that will be deemed extremely beneficial to supplement.

Last note. Don't supplement with cyanocobalamin, supplement with methyl-b12. MD McGregor is mistaken on this point.

>>42463305

i accidentally bought cyanocobalamin last month, what's the diagnosis, doc?

>>42463305
>MD McGregor
*MD M.Greger
>>42463377
Small doses of cyanide won't kill you if you aren't a heavy smoker too and if you don't have other health issues. Anyway I suggest you get a load of this jew
>http://regevelya.com/vitamin-b12/
he draws a thorough rundown on the various b12 supplements. I've tried to falsificate his results and I've only been able to validate them.
There is only one paper *indirectly* suggesting that methyl-b12 won't be converted in the two b12 forms, but it seems an error committed by a pajeet writing his thesis and it goes against all our current known notions on b12
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25117994
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Methylcobalamin
Also,
>methylcobalamin that is ingested (either from foods or supplements) isn’t used directly as a cofactor. It is first converted by MMACHC (a gene providing instructions for metabolizing B12) into cob(II)alamin, which is then further converted into methyl&adenosylcobalamin for use as cofactors. That is, methyl B12 is first neutralized and then regenerated as either of the usable forms.
TL;DR you'll get adenosylcobalamin too from methyl-b12 supplementation and you'll get free methyl molecules, precious for our bodies for methylation processes

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>>42459415
Nice bait, faggot. Now how about starting a useful thread like what vegans can eat to make gains? Carnies gonna carn, get over it brah.

I don't give a fuck about sheep.

>>42463749
I don't give a fuck about many, many humans
yet I'm not eating them

>>42463765
...so far

>>42463741
>mfw a sane vegan that accepts my meat eating.
id lift with you brah

>>42463785
>accepts
>Calls you carnie

Anyway.
>>42463741
Visiting Delft for a couple days. Holy shit normal europe guys have it easy. There is a falafel shop every 100 m

>>42463765
You don't eat people because humans have collectively agreed we shouldn't murder eachother because individually we don't want to be murdered. No other animal, including livestock, is part of the social contract

>>42463833
>agreed
>contract
hold on, I haven't signed anything

>>42463833
That social contract has a hole. Animals don't want to be murdered either

>>42459415
I AM SILLY!

>>42459415
A question for vegans: how do you get all your protein?
I don't know any vegetable that is near chicken breast in terms of kcal/protein.

And don't say broccoli, I'm not eating 1kg of that shit everyday to reach my protein requirements.

>>42461640
Fuck you faggot atleast admit he didnt say anything about eating pasta motherfucker.

I'm not even vegan but you are such an arrogant fuck

>>42463863
>A question for vegans: how do you get all your protein?
this is the dumbest question you could ever ask, pls be troll

>>42460375
Holy fuck you are retarded. You asked for amino acids you can't get from a vegan diet, there they fucking are. You didn't specify your little bullshit question, so you can't say that these aren't correct. Go shove a cucumber up your ass, you pumpkin humper

>>42463878
yet he's completely correct on literally everything else and you're purposefully missing the point
the other guy is much more of a prick and didn't put any effort to explain things and to cite sources
I believe you're missing the point

>>42463856
did you ask them?

>>42463883
I'm not trolling. I actually want to know. And I'm not talking of protein in terms of the quantity needed by the average individual, but for someone weightlifting.

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>>42463765
>I don't give a fuck about many, many humans yet... I'm eating them

>>42463863
broccoli and lentils at breakfast, lunch and dinner

Yh but the fact that you need supplements at all means it's an unnatural lifestyle for the mentally ill. Vegans are the trans of the food world.

>>42461938
I usually get the red lentils, and make a soup out of it. 250g of dry lentils is half a pack over here, 50 cents of lentils. It's not too much, throw in some other proteins and vegetables and that's food for a day.
You end up using lentils as your main cheap source of carbs and calories, and incidentally aminos, but that's ok or you'd never hit your macros as a vegan.

>>42463854
By taking part in our society you have agreed. You are free to go start your cannibal society if you choose.
>>42463856
Animals cannot be murdered, only killed. Secondly, I don't fucking care what they want. They don't even exist for another reason.

>>42463942
>By taking part in our society you have agreed.
No, I didn't.
>You are free to go start your cannibal society if you choose.
No, I'm not.

>>42463942
Can you tell me why we exist in one ironic sentence?

>>42463951
I'm not driving, I'm travelling, am I being detained??

>>42463962
We exist because our parents wanted kids. At least, most of us

Must be hard to face the basic facts of life, ayy vegans? That the sacrifices we make others do to keep you all alive isn't without sin. You thought just because you live in a nice first world country that we could all act above the food chain and suddenly become plant eating, animal protectors?
Did you really think you could surpass nature by acting like your more than just another species of animal, a human?

When you step on a ant, do you grieve for it like a dead puppy? do you feel sorry for a plant when it starts to die, despite it being unable to speak or to invoke emotions? Why do you happily consume the life energy of plants and call it more humane?
Does a living creature need to have blood and flesh for you to consider it a living creature?


Vegans and vegetarians are just pussies that morally stroke their humanic ego despite being hypocritical faggots that can't come to terms with the fact they need to consume life. They might as well be trying to defy the need to drink water or breath. You can't escape the common cycle of life.

>>42463962
Not him but I believe our purpose is to advance human society to the highest point possible

>>42463863
Lentils and seitan.

>>42463915
if you weightlift you don't have the TDEE of a little girl so you can easily get all of your protein through legume

>>42463305
>>http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/14/vegan-single-mum-drinks-sperm-smoothies-every-morning-to-give-her-energy-6257252/
Jesus what an attention whore. And a whore. "Hey um I eat sperm teehee put me in the news!"

>>42463982
You know you kill ten time more plants by eating meat ?

>>42463965
kek'd a little too hard
still "freedom" and "agreement" are too often pretty fictitious elements we use to justify our lies. We're not really free and we don't really agree on many, many things - yet we're bound to the decisions of someone else.
I wouldn't mind to eat criminals or enemies.

>>42464028
>saying it’s boosted both her mood and her immunity
Don't know bout you but thats my kind of gal right there.

>>42464062
>my kind of gal is a single mum who drinks semen
>and loves to spread this info on any media outlet
wew
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w

>>42464014
Ok, Seitan looks pretty close in terms of kcal/protein compared to chicken breast, and I didn't know of it's existence.

Protein bioavailability really shits on any weight lifting vegans argument

>>42464105
>it's
*its
>pretty close
yep, if you want xenoestrogens, go for it.

>>42464174
just eat even more lentils to compensate for it

>>42464240
Good for bulking stupid otherwise to achieve a balanced macro profile.

>>42464196
Wat, seitan is made of wheat derivates, not soy.

>>42459415
you cant have dignity with a vegan diet. go sit down at a dive bar and tell every drunk person around you that youre vegan and see how long it takes for someone to pick a fight with you.

>>42464262
tbqhfam a vegan lifter will use a vegan protein powder so this point is quite moot
>>42464282
right, anyway it has a piss poor PDCAA so you'll get like 1/4 of the proteins

>>42463906
You clearly have autism,being right doesnt give you the right to be a stupid cunt and literally lie like a bitch kid.

He may be right but he is still a faggot

>>42464350
You have to eat the seitan WITH the lentils (or whatever other source of lysine), since it's the out-of-balance aminos that stop absorption.
It's a bit more complex than eating a steak.

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>>42464378
man, the other guy went lying and shitposting like a kid (I'd say, like you), you're missing the point.
also. being right gives the right to call anyone a faggot and to piss down on peasants. You'll learn it later in life I guess
>>42464350
>vegan protein powder
hemp+rice+pea + some enzyme to enhance absorption in pic related
>>42464408
"no"

>>42464443
>"no"
That's on a whole new level of not being an argument.

>>42464465
PDCAA is not determined by the completeness of the amino-acid profile of a food or of a combination of foods assumed simultaneously. That's a old myth.

>>42464443
So what's the bioavailability of that since poverty proteins like we seitan and lentils are garbage tier.

>>42464492
close to whey. not as whey but hey we're trying

>>42464502
Can you post citation?

>>42464502
I keep seeing it being less than 80 bioavailability in comparison to 100 in egg white or 150 in whey

>>42464478
Upon further research, you don't even need to eat the combo simultaneously, you're right.
You just need to have it in your diet.
So, it's all good. The proteins will be absorbed.

>>42459918
they say truth is underappreciated.

i like the taste of meat and as long as possible, i won't accept substitutes.

>>42464515
It has
http://digezyme.com/
which has
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protease
then there's the manufacturer site, that's filled with obviously bias but... "hey we are trying"

>>42464550
You deleted the comment but you've revealed how much of a buffoon you are. You're one of those who can't distinguish between protein quality, protein absorption and protein completeness. This >>42464586 is even worse.

>>42464585
please cite source

>>42464659
Only one I can find honestly.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/whey-egg-white-casein-pea-hemp-rice-protein-powder-supplement/#comments

Please humour an idiot like me but I can't find anything that indicates it has bv close to whey in that article.

>>42462646
Then you can live with a very balanced diet and live good with the fact that you're not mentally handicapped.

>>42460447

>they are absolutely essential and you'll be dead without them

Essential in this context means it's required from diet because you can't produce it on your own. None of those would be considered essential.

>you should educate yourself a little more

>>42465896
Re-read the post you're quoting.

>>42465947

And then re-read the response to it. They are by definition non-essential. Anything else you're trying to claim without evidence can be ignored.

>>42465977
Re-read the post you're quoting, the response to it and the further response.

>>42459415

Meat is delicious. Vegetables are delicious. So what if an animal died so I can eat meat. Lots of Chinese people died building the railroads your vegetables are shipped on. Lots of wild animals died to clear the land your vegetables are grown on. Quit being a weak-wrist faggot. Most people don't care when something dies. Lots of people kill themselves to eat something they thing is delicious, why would they care if something had to die to become delicious food?

>>42466019

And same to you. What are you trying to say?

>>42466091
You're factually wrong.

>>42466037

Good point. Fuck everyone, exploit whoever I want, everything's about me.

>a few posts later

How DARE you SMUG VEGANS imply that what I'm doing is IMMORAL!

>>42459896
This is, by far, the best cauliflower post on /fit/ and probably the whole internet, ever.

>>42466101

How?

>>42466111
No see I don't care is the thing, and the fact that you do doesn't mean you deserve any merit or praise outside of you stroking your own ego in your head

>>42466149

>I don't care that I'm a piece of shit
>But don't go thinking you're better than me

Tumblr incarnate

>>42466121
Anon. I'm not interested in convincing a random stranger who reads a single comment on a longer thread that his concerns were already addressed. In full. I'm not interested in discussing the difference between dispensable, not dispensable, conditionally essential, essential and whatnot amino acids. I'm even less interested to discuss thesis and posts someone else wrote. I only pointed you to the fact your arguments are void since they were already completely addressed and if you're intellectually honest you're able to learn it through the thread without having someone else (me) write all that fucking shit and all those fucking sources again (skim through them, really)
May the gains be with you and have a nice day.

>>42466163

The fuck? My only argument here is a guy calling non-essential nutrients essential, and then making up some bullshit about how it's "KINDA essential"

>>42466154
Whatever helps you justify your nogains and stupid self-imposed restrictions faggot

>>42466215
>making up some bullshit about how it's "KINDA essential"
>conditionally essential is a bullshit
.... how fool of me, you were baiting all along.
'bye

>>42459415
how to troll /fit 101

actually good job anon

*starts slow clap

actually good job

*approvingly noods towards you

>>42466252

Everything is conditionally essential if there's some genetic disorder involved.

>>42460084
I'd need 3 cups of chopped chicken breast (693 calories), 3.5 cups of black beans (2,184 calories), 8 cups of lentils (1,840 calories), Or 46 bowls of total (22,935 calories)

>>42466336
>genetic disorder
... and here you show how much you're intellectually dishonest. It has been addressed.
I'm sure that your inability to produce carnitine or beta-alanine or to get beta-alanine from something that isn't meat comes from a genetic disorder. I'm sure that you'll get all the lysine required to meet your RDA from lentils and even more than that, you'll get enough lysine to synthesize carnosine on your own. I'm sure that if you end suffering of carnosinemia it just means you're having bad genes, right.
What I wonder is only >>42461657
>how much total lysine would be needed for vegans
considering the increased need of this essential AA for both lifting and carnosine, as exposed/argued/sourced in pretty clear way by Anonymous. As far as beta-alanine/carnitine is concerned, there's no real way out. You need to supplement it if you're into lifting.

wait im confused, im not vegan but have plenty of days where I dont touch meat or anything animal related
am I fucking myself up on protein and nutrient absorption?
also vegan protein is filled with vitamins and shit, are they properly "digested" or not

>>42466472
it seems you don't keep track of your macros and you that "filled vitamins and shit" makes me believe you're underage b&

>>42466547
I hit my daily macros by tracking them
im not underage

just recently started caring more than just protein, carbs, fat and fiber

>>42459415
Carnitine

lmao vegans

>>42459415
>NAME ONE AMINO ACIDS THAT YOU CAN'T GET FROM A VEGAN DIET


L-SEXamine
fucken virgins...

>>42461205
nice

>>42469213
jokes on you, I get plenty of it with semen
no homo