is getting big pointless? shouldn't we just focus on being

i want to be big lean and healthy

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>>42373594
>shouldn't we just focus on being fit, lean and healthy
Yes. Here are some words of wisdom from Marcus Aurelius
>In my father... He took a reasonable care of his body's health, not as one who was greatly attached to life, nor out of regard to personal appearance, nor yet in a careless way, but so that, through his own attention, he very seldom stood in need of the physician's art or of medicine or external applications.

>>42373594
Yes. Lean is universally more aesthetic than big

>>42373594
Big to a certain extent. American psycho bale is exquisite.

>>42373594
If you DYELs want a thread, just fucking make one.

>>42373594
Unless you're an athlete, model, or trying to fuck something? Yes.

More bodymass = shorter time on the earth and more wear and tear problems later in life. Usually starting in adulthoot or late teens depending on how big and for how long.

>>42373654
>Unironically believes that anyone who doesn't roid and look like a mutant is a DYEL

>>42373594
you cant really get big natty unless big = fat

>>42373594
do whatever you want' but just let me tell that since I've gained mass
(from 76 shredded to 86 with visible abs)
cardio has become insanely harder.
>same lung capaity
>more muscle eating up my oxygen
even though i train my cardio pretty hard, my lungs and heart have to be at a much better condition just so I could run at sub-prime speeds.

why didn't anyone tell me this

>>42373749
This. Just get big, faggot, then get lean.

>>42373742
>Justifying being a DYEL in 2019-1-1
Shig on my dig, bitch

>>42373594
Not sure why you believe it's mutually exclusive. Also not sure what your specific definition of "big" is.

If you don't want to get big then don't get big, dude. You're objectively not a man though considering you don't like what most men like but whatever. You do you.

being lean is aesthetic, but if you don't have a minimum amount of mass you will just be another DYEL auschwitz skelly.

Hit 1/2/3/4 for reps while being sub 11% bf. Thats goals imo.

>>42373594
Yes.

>>42373594
i focus on just having no fat, nothing else
so i just diet

>>42373625
Stoicism a shit. Pursue arete.

>>42373594
Depends. Nobody on gear lives that long.

>>42373625
Literally cucked by a gladiator.