Daily reminder that your health should always be more important

>>42223036
>>reduce sodium intake
>>reduce saturated fat intake

oH iT's ThE 90s AgAiN. cOoL!

>>42223036
Who is this hoe and do you have more?

>>42223052

>in studies where sodium and/or saturated fat intake are reduced, the risk of cardiovascular problems decreases

Really makes you think.

>>42223036
>>reduce sodium intake
>>reduce saturated fat intake
enjoy your infertility

>>42223088

>being healthy reduces fertility

It doesn't. Getting a heart attack at age 40 does.

>>42223036
Why would I reduce sodium intake? There is no link or correlation between consumption in of sodium in adolescence or young adulthood and high blood pressure later in life. There is only a correlation that once your blood pressure becomes high (age/genetics) laying off the salt can help reduce it in some people. Though many people on low sodium diets will still have above average blood pressure. Which in and of itself isn't a nail in the coffin either as being above average doesn't equal unhealthy. Because as we know from stats class an average is just a composition of all the data divided by the number of subjects, not a real or ideal number necessarily. I.e. the avg. American house has 2.5 kids doesn't mean we all have half a severed child in the basement.

>>42223100
>sodium and saturated fats are the cause of health problems associated with diet
>it's not the palm oil, soy or any of the artificial chemicals in almost everything we consume

>>42223036
keep sodium in balance with potassium (which means half as much sodium as potassium).

Saturated fats are great for health and increase HDL cholesterol in ratio to total cholesterol, which affords many benefits to the cardiovascular system.

Trans fats made by ruminants such as cows are not the same as hydrolyzed oils which are the real culprits of the trans fat scare. Don't fear meat and dairy due to trans fats.

Everything else is good advice.

Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

>>42223215
fuck off pollan

>>42223128

While a causal relationship hasn't been demonstrated in humans (it has been shown in other mammals, such as monkeys and chimps, so it may very well be true for humans, too), there is strong evidence of a linear, dose–response effect of sodium reduction on blood pressure. In addition, the evidence shows that sodium reduction prevents cardiovascular disease. This evidence is based on findings from prospective cohort studies with accurate measurement of usual sodium intake.

You're wrong about blood pressure -- even being prehypertensive increases your risk of suffering from a cardiovascular event.

>According to some studies, prehypertension can increase the risk for heart attacks, strokes, congestive heart failure, and kidney failure.[15][16] One study found that a prehypertensive person is more than three times more likely to have a heart attack and 1.7 times more likely to have heart disease than a person with normal blood pressure.[17] A meta-analysis concluded that prehypertension increases the risk of stroke, and that even low-range prehypertension significantly increases stroke risk.[18]

>>42223145

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat_and_cardiovascular_disease_controversy#Systematic_reviews

All recent meta-analyses, some of randomized-controlled trials (gold-standard), which indicates that saturated fats is a main culprit of cardiovascular disease.

>>42223221
It was a good book though. Seemed pretty straightforward and reasonable. There's nothing wrong with individually deciding to alter your diet in various ways but society as a whole has slipped away from a lot of useful habits around eating.

>>42223257
yeah i didn't mean to be so hostile, sorry. haven't read his books but i've seen a few of his talks. seems like a good dude

Don't waste your time OP, 90% of /fit/ doesn't give a fuck about health.

>>42223272
haha I wasn't upset by it, it was the response I was looking for. you should check out In Defense of Food though, it's really well written. interesting, entertaining, and quick to read

maybe I am Pollan after all...

>>42223224
>American heart association

a not for profit that rakes in 500 million plus a year in donations from the very people who make foods high in polyunsaturated fats and those who sell heart medication.

Really activates the almonds

>>42223071
I agree with you. Saturated fat and sodium is bad for you, my 9th grade Health teacher Miss. Finklestein said so. Also CNN said it too. and there are studies financed by Nabisco and Little Debbie that say saturated fat is bad for you.
My opinion is that sugar isn't that bad for you! So always buy low fat, because it has more sugar and sugar isnt' evil!

>>42223357
>((((Miss. Finklestein))))

>>42223350

>ignoring all the other studies

>>42223357

>Good goy, eat those saturated fats! Forget that OP said avoid simple sugars! You won't get a heart attack at 40, Dr. Shekelsberg will make sure of it!

>>42223036
honestly, fuck bread
agriculture was a mistake

>>42223036
>reduce sodium intake
Meme.
>reduce saturated fat intake
Double meme.
>reduce simple sugar intake
Triple meme.
>eliminate trans fat intake
Good advice.
>consume enough fiber
Or just chew your food.
>make sure you're consuming enough micronutrients -- don't skip the salad
Leddit.
>start doing cardio if you aren't
Good advice.

>>42223438

>meme

No.

>double meme

No.

>triple meme

No.

>chew your food
>he thinks fiber is just for shitting

>Leddit

Faggot.

>>42223438
>>reduce simple sugar intake
>Triple meme.
no
>>consume enough fiber
>Or just chew your food.
this is just nonsense

>>42223450
>mad
>>42223451
>double mad

Sure is Leddit in here today.

>>42223436
Because cavemen were the pinnacle of human health, right?

>>42223498
name some ways in which they were unhealthy

>>42223498
compared to today, yes
>pic related

>>42223036
>reduce sodium intake
>>reduce saturated fat intake
Please fuck off with your momscience.

>>42223517

>ignoring all the evidence presented in this thread

Be real, you get all your nutritional info from fatties from /fit/. You don't know shit and you're too dogmatic to learn.

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>>42223516
fug

>>42223416
half of the studies said they were fine.

>>42223560

One study said it was fine, but that had methodological limitations. All others saw decreased risk when saturated fat was reduced and/or replaced with PUFAs.

>>42223521
You don't know shit buddy, now listen to my dogma!

Self awareness is a powerful tool.

>>42223416
>>42223357
Nigga I'm not vegan but you're retarded if fat is more than 30-35% of your macros.

>>42223576
>voluntarily eating PUFAs

haha wow

>>42223591
>you're retarded if fat is more than 30-35% of your macros

What are you basing this statement on?

>>42223576
If you read all of those studies they talk about the reduction of serum cholesterol, which at face value has little to no actual value when considering those at risk for CVD and other cardiovascular issues. In half of all heart attack cases cholesterol levels are normal or low, the important element being HDL cholesterol which is heart disease preventative, and which is raised with the consumption of saturated fats.

>>42223071
>people whose diet consists of salted french fries are more prone to heart disease

What a shocking revelation! Nice science.

>>42223503
Average lifespan was like 30 years.

>>42223606
Dietary guidelines, disease and prevention.

>>42223673
yes, average. infant mortality was quite high, believe it or not, but the ones that didn't die were healthy.

>>42223036

Any tips on how to replace common meals without dying from hunger?

>>42223683
>Dietary guidelines
Lol
>disease and prevention
The ketogenic diet has been shown to reverse a ton of diseases

>>42223036

I eat a lot of saturated fat and get most of my daily nutrients from animal sources and I would bet a not insignificant amount of money that my blood lipid profile is better than yours or, if yours is particularly good, no worse.

Everyone I know on a low/zero carb diet that gets most of their nutrition from animals similarly have fantastic lipid profiles because sat fats being bad is absolute nonsense.

I'll go in with you on the sugar intake though. Get rid of that shit. Cut down on carbs too. Insulin resistance is the devil and is the root cause of so many neurological diseases it's ridiculous.

>>42223576

No, three of the studies said the recommendation to reduce saturated fats was unfounded. Four said there was merit - one of which was the AHA, the organization that's peddling the recommendation to begin with.

Honestly none of these studies are at all conclusive anyways, they are just making "best guesses" and are 99% based on unhealthy population bases. It says directly in the Wikipedia article you linked how unreliable these analyses were.

Same goes with sodium; we know sodium has an adverse effect on people with hypertension, but after countless studies nobody has been able to show any sort of correlation in healthy populations.

Same story with sugar.

"Nutritional science" is the biggest crockpot of shit, every study that comes out is peddled by some agendaed organization, if not sponsored by some particular trillion dollar industry.

>>42223438
>just chew your food
HAHAHAHAHA

>>42223224
>Increase the risk
This is one of the most statistically irrelevant and fear mongering phrases in history. If my family history/inherent genetic risk of heart disease is virtually zero because nobody in my family has lived old and died from it then an "increase in risk" of 10, 15, or even 30 percent means nothing. Math people. A beginning risk of 0×.15 means nothing.

>>42223734
Post pic with timestamp you fatlard

>>42223742
>none of these studies are at all conclusive
>are

*is

>>42223726
>Lol
Nice rebuttal! Oh, you defend keto for non epilepsy people? Confirmed retard.

>>42223755
no

>>42223702
We know this because cavmen had regular doctor's appointments and there was a census bureau.
>

>>42223789
Yes.

>none of these studies are at all conclusive
>not one of these studies are at all conclusive

See the problem?

>have low blood pressure
>doc tells me to work out and eat more salt

What is the truth

>>42223625

Population studies, by design, can't find a link between saturated fat and cholesterol consumption and heart disease risk due to genetic variations in baseline cholesterol levels. Two people eating the same diet can have a completely different cholesterol score and therefore a different heart disease risk. What we need are dietary change experiments which calculate cholesterol at baseline and measure the change in cholesterol post-intervention.

http://www.bmj.com/content/314/7074/112

So we know a reduction in saturated fat greatly reduces LDL concentration. Is LDL tied to heart disease? Unequivocally, yes. Even if it's true that high HDL can offset the detrimental effects of high LDL (I haven't seen any evidence to suggest so), people falling under this category are few and far between.

>In half of all heart attack cases cholesterol levels are normal or low

Define "normal or low". Is their LDL in the recommended 50-70 mg/dL?

>and which is raised with the consumption of saturated fats.

Does this offset an atherogenic effect of raising LDL-C. Does the ratio of LDL:HDL remain the same after saturated fat consumption?

>>42223920
>Is LDL tied to heart disease? Unequivocally, yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpZIXWpN1og

>>42223734

>In these studies, saturated fat significantly increased insulin resistance
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12079860

Better pray it's not true in humans, too, goy!

>>42223063
https://www.instagram.com/die.freeman/
slav girls are the prettiest

>>42223357
>there are studies financed by Nabisco and Little Debbie that say saturated fat is bad for you

this isn't even tinfoil stuff, this should be commonly known by now desu...

>>42223938

He's not even a cardiologist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1oB569xq88

>>42223487
Or maybe you're just wrong?

>>42223673
You know you can still be healthy and die right?

>>42223742
And all the studies contradict each other

>>42224888
No shit. Almost every single fucking study, theory and paradigm contradicts some other "tested", "approved", iron fucking cast wisdom by respected authorities. The only thing we can be sure of is that not being a fat fuck is a good thing for your longevity.

>start doing cardio if you aren't
Fuck off.

>>42223773
I didn't know Lyle Mcdonald, the majority of seriously competitive bodybuilders and also doctors working with severely overweight diabetics were all retards.

>>42223036
>saturated fats cause heart disease meme
>cardio is good for health
Blocked :*)

http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/features/truth-about-saturated-fats
The AHA is just a bunch of Jews jewing Americans out of the one trait that separates them from the rest of the world. A love of juicy red steaks and manliness

Also the cardio
http://www.trainingscience.net/?page_id=253

>>42223036
holy fuck new waifu she is absolute perfection

>>42223357
>being this much of an autist

>reduce sodium
>reduce saturated fat
get the fuck out

>>42223071
Just increase potassium intake? It counters the affects of sodium, but you still get to use both as your body uses them when doing repetitive muscle movements.

>>42223503
Didnt wash their hands after they pooped.

>>42223795
We know this because childbirth is very dangerous. Not anymore obviously but it was, then there is the short time period when a child goes from infant to young teen, if the child had any serious untreatable health issues it would have died during this time period, afterwards though the average person easily lived to 60-70 years.

>>42223036
>reduce sodium intake
>reduce saturated fat intake
Literally myths that have been debunked in every study done in the 21st century

>>42223052
>oH iT's ThE 90s AgAiN. cOoL!
cringe

>>42223036
You forgot about cholesterol, OP.

>>42228427
There's no scientific evidence that dietary cholestrol has any effect on serum cholestrol and this has been tested exhaustively. High cholestrol has only been linked to eating a carb heavy diet.

>>42224867
That's obviously not how it works, only unhealthy faggots succumb to the death meme.

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>>42223036
>micronutrients
>salad

>>42223436
Hey fuck you buddy bread is awesome

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>>42223036
>tfw consumed 70 grams of added sugar yesterday

>>42223436

wheat is not your enemy, it's corn.

>>42223036
Just go vegan.

>>42229541
>Just cuck yourself.

>>42229547
Not an argument.

Vegan diets are
>low in sodium
>low in saturated fats
>no trans fats
>high in fiber
>has all the micronutrients you need

>>42229565
then why do babies die if their breastfeeding moms have vegan diets
really makes you think

>>42223036
>micro nutrients
>salad

kek

>>42229565
High in cuck

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>>42229565

>>42229574
They don't. The babies that die are often fed what's basically sugar water (almond/cashew/coconut milk) and the parents aren't necessarily vegan. It's literally just scaremongering by the mainstream media.

>>42229599
B12 is produced by bacteria, not by animals. Did you know that there are vegan B12 supplements out there?

>>42223726
>The ketogenic diet has been shown to reverse a ton of diseases
Show me the evidence for this.

>>42227448
>Lyle Mcdonald
Who? Just because you can find one idiot agreeing with you, doesn't mean it's the truth.
>the majority of seriously competitive bodybuilders
You mean the same bodybuilders that are on steroids? Did you know that you can build muscle on ANY diet as long as you get enough protein?
> also doctors working with severely overweight diabetics
Studies that show that a ketogenic diet works often also state that they work because of the CALORIC RESTRICTION, not because you're eating a fuckton of meat and butter instead of fruits and oats.

>>42223036
>Don't use scientific advances
>Stay fat forever.
>Meme advice from grandmothers.

Thanks op!

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>>42223438
>chewing food now create fibers

good to know

>>42229654
no it makes digestion easier which is the point of fiber you imbecilic fucking retard

>>42229676
Fiber does so much more than just make food easier to digest. Reading the Wikipedia article alone should make you realize how retarded what you're saying is.

>>42229690
>wikipedia
Go fuck yourself dipshit

>>42229696
Kill yourself.

Actually, no, just keep eating your shitty diet because it will give you some shitty disease that you will die from.

>>42229610
>needing to supplement
>able to get all nutrients with a vegan diet
Really activates my almond

>>42229750
And supplements are bad because...?

>>42229750
You could also eat nutritional yeast, but it's usually better to just supplement b12.

>>42229771

If your diet requires supplementation to be healthy it is literally, by definition, nutrient deficient.

You could just eat a balanced diet of animals products, vegetables, fruit sparingly and less refined or quick release carbs and never have to supplement anything ever.

>>42229782
>If your diet requires supplementation to be healthy it is literally, by definition, nutrient deficient.
Supplements are part of the diet :^).

>You could just eat a balanced diet of animals products
Did you know that the animals you are eating are being supplemented with B12? Why eat the animals when you can just take the supplements yourself?

>>42229795
>supplement are part of the diet
Well yes it's a nutrient deficient diet.

>>42229795

>Did you know that the animals you are eating are being supplemented with B12?

Oh, really, you know where I source my meat and animal products do you?

The animals that I eat get their B12 from their rumen system in which microbes go to work on plant matter and secret it as a byproduct.

We do not have those microbes, we cannot synthesize b12 naturally. We must absorb it from animal products in which it is readily available.

Why would I supplement b12 when I can just it meat, fish, eggs and dairy?

Supplements are never part of a diet. They're supplementary. The literal definition of a supplement is that it is extra. You have to supplement because the food you eat does not give you the nutrients you need.
I do not need to supplement because I eat as nature intended.
The sun grows plants. Herbivores eat plants and produce the appropriate vitamins and amino acids. Carnivores (humans) eat the animals.
That is the nutrient chain. That is how we have evolved.

>>42229629
Keto results in building less muscle than a traditional diet, no bodybuilder does keto to build muscle, please do your research or at least start lifting before you post on /fit/. Also the way bodybuilders and athletes trying to build conditioning apply keto is vastly different from what you seem to think keto is; eating literally zero carbs is simply a bad idea. The purpose of keto is to spare protein by encouraging the body to break down fats while on a deficit. The purpose of keto is not to lose weight, and it should be done in conjunction with a caloric deficit in order to see results. There's no reason to maintain or bulk on keto since you'll probably build less muscle and therefore end up recomping slower. Also you should eat more nut fat to get more fibre, not meat/butter.

If you want a bunch (100+) studies, textbooks and cited sources neatly categorised and summarised for your autistic convenience, you can find and read Lyle Mcdonald's book "The Ketogenic Diet" in the /plg/ dropbox under the diet section.

Btw dietary guidelines recommend (you) eat no more than 50 grams of protein a day and that all women eat no less than 2000 calories a day, so your nutritional bible is really just a load of arbitrary rules made by sedentary fat people anyway. You're gonna have to do better than "the government told me it's bad".

>asking people for evidence when you posted exactly zero evidence to support your claims and you initiated the discussion

It's always fun to see dyels start arguments by saying stupid unfounded bullshit without bothering to include citations but as soon as someone comes up with a rebuttal they expect that person to have an encyclopedia of studies at hand, all of which have robust methodology and apply perfectly to the hypothetical situation at hand. Lyle McDonald has been a respected member of the fitness community and has been writing books specifically about applying scientific methods to bodybuilding since before you could read.

>>42229714
oh no I'm gonna die like everyone does fucking retard

>>42229714
>losers who were bullied all their life discover lifting and food and cling on to their "clean diets" because they feel it is the only they have that makes them superior to anyone
oh boy fucking off yourself nerd

>>42223036
Lol! Teлкa нa пикe pyccкaя. У нee нa пoлкe кoмикcы "Хpaнитeли" и Caгa. You can see that the titles are typed in Russian l

>>42229821
>Why would I supplement b12 when I can just it meat, fish, eggs and dairy?
Because the cons outweigh the pros? Why increase your intake of saturated fat, trans fat, cholesterol, heme iron, mercury, HCAs, PCBs and various other contaminants just so you can get your B12 from something that isn't a supplement?

>We do not have those microbes
Except we do, they're in our large intestine while vitamin B12 is absorbed in the small intestine.
>we cannot synthesize b12 naturally.
Only bacteria can synthesize it naturally, what's your point?

>The literal definition of a supplement is that it is extra.
Dictionary definitions aren't arguments.

>You have to supplement because the food you eat does not give you the nutrients you need.
A modern diet is inherently deficient of certain nutrients thanks to modern agricultural practices. The food you are eating is being fortified with a fuckton of vitamins and minerals. For example, the milk you drink is fortified with vitamin D and calcium, bread and salt are often fortified with iodine and cereals are often fortified with vitamin B3, but for some reason think that just because something isn't in a pill it's not supplementation.

By the way, some foods are fortified with vitamin B12, so you could just eat those products if you don't want B12 from a "supplement".

>Carnivores (humans) eat the animals.
You're absolutely fucking retarded, if humans are carnivores, then how come humans develop atherosclerosis when we consume saturated fats and cholesterol? If humans are carnivores, then how come we don't produce our own vitamin C? If humans are carnivores then how come we cool our bodies by sweating and not by panting?

>>42230004

>then how come humans develop atherosclerosis when we consume saturated fats and cholesterol?

Show me one single study that proves that there is a causative effect. You can't. The closest you will find are studies that suggest links or slight correlations at best and outright speculation at worst.
That's your problem. You entire diet is based on a fallacy.
Saturated fat and cholesterol have nothing to do with atherosclerosis.

> For example, the milk you drink is fortified with vitamin D and calcium

There you go again telling me about the food I eat without the slightest clue as to where I source it.

>>42223036
>island which only consumes coconuts(>92% sat fat) for like 60% of their calories literally has 0 heart attack rate.