so I've heard a lot about beginner gains and how you can

also gaining muscle isnt exactly what im going after right now I just need to lose weight because im horribly obese, i'm just wondering if i should lift while doing a pretty huge calorie cut and no attempt to hit macros as well

>>42113599
Nah dude, lose weight first than lift,it's really difficult to do both

>>42113599
>and how you can pretty much get them without doing anything.

That's overstating it quite a bit, you still have to train. But you will make a lot of gains in the first 6 months or so with a proper workout.

>If i lift am I still going to gain muscle even if i dont get enough protein?
You need protein to build muscles, no way around that.

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>>42113665
so should I not bother with weight lifting and just do cardio?

>>42113681
If you want to keep the muscles that you already have, then you should also lift. The body will get rid of unnecessary things when losing weight.

>>42113632
Stupid.

Weight control is 100% about your intake. It doesn't matter how much you work out if you just eat more. Working out is a good way of increasing your Calories Out, which is about as effective as decreasing your Calories In.

The issue is that working out will make you hungry, which causes you to eat more, and working out doesn't burn all that many calories to begin with, so you'll either slow down your weight loss or even reverse it.


Weight control is about lifestyle changes. Simple caloric restriction will make you lose weight and then gain it all back later when you give up. You need to improve your life to something you can maintain.

Either way, you'd get some muscle by working out so long as you keep your macros (and micros) right. It's best to not go too high on the deficit, though, both for optimal muscle gain and for health reasons.

>>42113599
You'll lose out on precious beginner gains if you don't eat enough. Cut first before you start lifting.

>>42113697
>The body will get rid of unnecessary things when losing weight
Yeah, but it's mostly when you're cutting too hard or not getting enough protein.

>>42113599
you can lose weight and get gains if you use your noob lifts on it, but it is not a very efficient way to do it and will weaken your noob gains cut until your ready to gain weight than use your noob gains, also cardio does not kill gains