Reddit fitness do not recommend SL or SS. >Because they a

>>42103377
>compound barbell movements are detrimental habits
>listening to reddit

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>Deadlift 1×5

Sure is summer.

>>42103377
>http://archive.is/qoC3r#selection-1870.0-1870.1
like the /r/fitness post that thread is full of people going "but I'm 2 months into ss/sl, what do I do now"

Stick with what you are doing for the prescribed time them move on to something else. Take a few moments and read the material on your program instead of basing all your decisions on a few lines from some FAQ you read on the internet.

>>42103377

I've read that post youve linked and I disagree with it.

They claim that: SL and SS are bad as they teach linear progression through lifting weight, and this is bad for long term as it eventually run out

Well no shit.

It is not exactly hard to say "oh I plateaued doing linear progression on weight, but maybe its time for hypertrophy and increasing reps and volume and frequency". And the programs tell you to do this.

>>42103377
If you follow their advice it will take you several years to reach the same strength level as you'd get to in a few months with SS, with the only potential benefit being that you never tickle your autism because you change your routine a couple of times in your lifetime.

I did something similarly retarded when I first started lifting, but luckily read SS in the first week and crunched some numbers and changed it up.

>>42103377
ss is garbage for many reasons but the only ones the linked ledditor got right is shit volume and shit work capacity

>>42103449
Does it really matter? I can still increase weight on it by 5kg each diddly session. Whats the benefit of 5x5 diddly, apart from an increased chance of snapping your shit up through form breakdown?

>>42103560

What do you recommend beginners do? Goal is hypertrophy but solid thicc build in 2 years time.

>>42103586
SS then PPL

>>42103586
jonnie candito's linear program the hypertrophy variant. or alpha destiny's novice program.

>>42103592
i recommend SS then U/L then P/P/L

if you have 2 years then 6 months SS, 6 months U/l, 1 year P/P/L

>>42103586
Build your foundation on SS.

>>42103597
also disregard anyone who reccomends you SS or uses meaningless meme words like foundation as brainded imbeciles

>>42103618
Why. You have yet to explain SS is bad yet immediately jump to YouTube eceleb routines.

>>42103377
Oh, no... they're retarded!

Seriously, their problem with SS is
>but it will frustrate you after 6 months
WTF ANON! you're supposed to switch to an intermediate routine when that happens! or to one of the bridging beginner/intermediate variations!

Also, does anyone have the pics of those guys that kept on SS for a year or so? They got hench as fuck, but the injury risk was high.

>>42103600
Why change from UL to PPL?

>>42103656
Not him but the groups are better separated in a PPL than UL. Allows for larger volume

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>>42103377

>redditposting will never be a bannable offense

Doing anything that stresses your joints and cns is retarded long term. So yes pushing yourself for heavy PRs for low reps is autistic, and so is any program that has you do that long term.

Maybe SS for a month to learn the lifts and your options, then transition to cables, machines and dumbbells for most of the stuff or work with compounds for higher rep ranges.

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>>42103637
>You have yet to explain SS is bad
because he's a summerfag who only understands the first and most superficial layer of memery

>>42103656
because i assume that he wants his upper body to be as large as his legs so if he transitions to doing upper 4x/week while doing lower 2x/week then he'll be more proportionate unless he wants yuge legs/gloots for the sloots

>>42103666
also what satan said here

>>42103377
>Reddit fitness

stopped reading there. fuck off back to your safe space you inbred moron.

>>42103677
>Maybe SS for a month
>do this program for a month
>a month is long enough to learn the lifts
ask me how i know you don't lift or have been lifting for less than 2 years

>>42103677
>SS for a month
>transition to cables machine and dumbbells

Now THAT is retarded.

>>42103637
insufficient volume to promote optimal growth in the upport body, limited exercise selection, overly dogmatic approach and lack of flexibility (if you do A youre not doing the program), lack of horizontal pull, lack of direct arm flexor work, lack of abdominal assistence.
no program that lacks a row variant should ever be taken seriously, no wonder mishapen humonculi walk this board who can squat 350 but struggle with sub-2 plate bench

>>42103677
lol

can you show your body?

>Maybe SS for a month to learn the lifts and your options, then transition to cables, machines and dumbbells for most of the stuff or work with compounds for higher rep ranges.
You can do SS for years and still progress. Just not as fast.

>>42103586
Alternative that nobody ever mentions because it's boring, tiring, and as usual works too fucking well:
>SS
>basic Texas Method
>U/L Advanced Texas Method
>stop working with 5s, work on 8s-12s instead
Working on your 12 RM, once you have a great (some might say excessive) strength base, WILL give you results.

>>42103677
>>42103701
post your body with timestamp and maybe i won't thing you're retarded (you are)

>>42103701
>the issues of this program are things that the program creator has stated that the program isn't for

That's like bitching about a bike not having 4 wheels. SS is literally designed to be lower body intensive. It's not designed for upper body to be as developed as lower. It focuses on squats as the primary lift. Even Rippetoe has said before that this is the point. That's not a flaw in the program, that's a flaw in your reasoning and ability to pick a program that works for your needs

>>42103739
this is correct.

also building your lower body is essential to build a strong upper body unless all you do is benchbro and curlbro faggotry and you look like shit anyway and you're weak as fuck unless you have a bench supporting you because your lower body and core strength is absolutely 0

>>42103377
>redpill me
you have to go back my new friend

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>>42103702

I'm 30, work a more than full time job and have a kid on the way which is already quite some work getting ready for. I lift twice a week and I stopped lifting "heavy" when I realized cracking joints and joint pain along with reduced nergy throughout the day was on the menu if I kept doing retarded shit.

Fitness is a long term game I want to do while actually living life, not something I do full time for a year and then crash and burn.

>>42103694

Sure thing buddy.

>>42103771
>no timestamp
so you went on instagram or wherever to find a picture to pretend it's you and the best you could do was a curlbro?

tip top lelling kek.

>>42103720
>implying im that cablefag
i lift for strength and im about 10kg overbulked but im very close to my 5 plate squat so i guess i got that going for me. you wont be miring my asstactics but if you still want to see my hairy ass remind me in an hour and a half when i get back home
>>42103739
no, the issue is that its being reccomended indiscriminately to everyone regardless of their goals. this is the subeject of this thread. this is what idiots ramble about when they reccomend building a foundation before getting on a worthwile routine. for every training purpose there is a vastly superior program lying around.

>>42103377
We have a "Questions that don't deserve their own thread" general. We have "routine generals" from time to time. Yet you managed to create a thread around a post in a minor subreddit that's NOT /r/fitness, /r/weightroom or anything similar, baiting with such a bullshit.
Have a flair.

>>42103798
>if you still want to see my hairy ass remind me in an hour and a half when i get back home
don't forget the timestamp like that other fag just did

>>42103427
If you actually bothered to read it, it says that GSLP is superior to SS and SL, due to the way it's programmed.

>>42103793

I'm at work you cretin. It's not like my body is even impressive enough to fake, and would I pick someone with pectus to impersonate?

>>42103819
>read it
looks like you already reddit

>>42103819
I disagree with AMRAP because it forces you to overwork on the ass end of the lifts. If you can pump out more than your 3 or 5 reps on the LAST set of your lift, your weight was too low. All it does it set the precedent that pushing yourself when you're tired is going to be helpful, when all it does is promote injury.

>>42103798
>there is a vastly superior program lying around
wich one?

>>42103798
>superior program lying around

Then why does no one have it, anywhere? SS, SL, and GSLP are the three main beginner programs. You can do 5/3/1 as a beginner but not as effectively

>>42103800
?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/wiki/faq
>Why are StrongLifts and Starting Strength not in the Wiki?
>Because they aren't good programs and they create habits that are actively detrimental to long term training progress.
>You can also read about why r/gainit removed StrongLifts from their Wiki here.

>>42103377

The fitness mods are auschwitz mode. I don't know why they think they can criticise someone that was more advanced than they'll ever be. Probably more advanced even in his old age then they'll ever be.

Starting strength is for starting strength, it's in the name. No one's dumb enough to think it lasts forever unless of course you're a /r/fitness pleb.

>>42103933
pics of them?

>>42103886
bodybuilding
>jonnie candito's hypertrophy variant
>lyle mcdonald's bulk
>generic 2-way
>alphadestiny novice

aspring powerliter
>p2w novice
>jonnie candito's power/control variant

general athleticism/sports-oriented
>ws4sb (its decent for bodybuilding too)

there are literally dozens. ss is virtually unknown outside of us and 4chan/reddit circles. most people do higher volume routines with far greater exercise selectin and unsurprisingly make superior early gains

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Get back to work!

>>42103963
>"SS is virtually unknown"
>posts YouTuber routines

Wew

>>42103933
Except it does't really develop optimal strength in anything but lolbar squat and perhaps deadlift due to the carryover.

>>42103963

Sum up manlet destiny's program, I kinda want to switch it up. Or link me.

>>42103980
You mean it does exactly what it was created to do?

>>42103980
>Except it does't really develop optimal strength in anything but lolbar squat
im done
seriously

>>42103978
what is your point?
>>42103987
http://outalpha.com/the-out-alpha-novice-program/

>>42104013
My point is that you're deluded if you think a program that has existed for well over a decade is "virtually unknown" compared to the routines of YouTubers.

>>42103997
there are weeks on SS when you do a total 3 sets of bench and call it the day for fucks sake.

>>42103771


Aaand silence.

>>42104025
where did i claim the ones i mentioned are more well known than SS? my entire point is that there are more (superior) ways to skin the cat than a meme routine like SS.

>>42104036
See
>>42103793

Post a time stamp dummy

>>42104036
>no timestamp
picture discarded

>>42104052
The only difference between those routines and SS is that they program for accessories. You have yet to prove on what way they're better than SS or why SS is bad other than claiming it's supposed to do something that it's not intended for.

>>42103923
is there a single pic of this purplespengler tripfag doing it for free?

>>42104066
they do or are characterized by things i mentioned here
>>42103701

starting strength is not the starting point for all routines. rippetoe hasnt invented linear progression. every good beginner routine will be based on gaining strength on basic compound lifts but unlike SS it wont limit you to just that.

>>42104105
Once again, your complaint is thinking that SS is designed for things it's not.

>>42104083
>>42103800
in /weightroom/ SS and SL are there for staying; SS and SL is universally considered an introductory routine for building a strength foundation really fast and the concerns about staying on it for too long are on par with the SS/SL consensus you usually find in the /routine general/. also in that subreddit there's at least someone who actually lifts it seems

al that blabbering about the importance of failure and AMRAP is inane

>>42104122
my complain is that >>42103798
>no, the issue is that its being reccomended indiscriminately to everyone regardless of their goals.

follow the conversation assmaster

>>42103923
well fuck, a major subreddit has been plastered with some mod's faggotry
reddit being reddit I guess

Here's a great program for all skill levels

>go to exrx.net
>look up exercises for each muscle
>perform them for 3-5 sets each set to near failure twice a week in any format you desire
>regularly progress in any fashion you desire, more reps, more weight, whatever doesn't matter

If you can't do this you're not ready for a beginner routine and you're certainly not more than a beginner

>>42104053
>>42104062

The fact that I have to timestamp a naked picture at work to convince teenagers that a sustainable way of lifting is better if you're in it for the long term is absurd.

>>42104195
>deflecting this hard

>>42104188

You'd surprised how hard it is for even people who've been lifting for years to realise what they're not hitting optimally.

>>42104033

Which is fine unless you're form sucks.

>>42104333
That's good to hear. I am not "form sucks" so it sounds like everything is fine.

>>42104475

"If i correct a simple typo maybe my 1plate bench won't suck"

>>42104475
*fine if you wnat to end up with pathetic bench and non-existent pecs

>>42104528

Let's be serious for a second. How do you all suck at benching? I used linear progression from 60lbs to 285lbs.

The problem is you, not the routine.

>>42104549
There have been only a handfull of people to actually do that, ever, without stalling and while natty, so I guess good job on the genetics but this is not something that would work for the average lifter.

The average lifter will stall multie times a couple months in, stress their cns to shit, injure themselves trying to get through the plateau etc. I've seen it happen, and a great buddy of mine gave up lifting after trying to work with SS type programs for years and repeatedly injuring himself with laughable weights.

For most people, HEAVY work is not the answer and for people doing stuff with their lives taxing themselves to failure over and over, causing ego depletion and lethqrgy isn't the answer.

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>>42103713

When can I stop doing SS? Im at 0.5/1/2/3. I know its supposed to be about linear progression tapering off, but I keep getting injuries and illnesses that fuck me up and make me stall. I just want to look THICC SOLID TIGHT

Can I switch to lvysaur 4 4 8?

>>42103798

5pl8 squat is the definition of assthetic

>>42103666
Thanks, Satan!

>>42104629
Sorry your "butt"y is such a pussy and a faggot. I blame the company he keeps.

>>42104629
Eh maybe you're right. But I still think form is a huge issue.

It wasn't constant progression. I got stuck at various points but pushed through them. 60-140 was constant then stalling a bit. 150-200 was constant. Had quite a lot of trouble at 200-220 but when I got to around 240 I pretty much increased by 5lbs each workout till I cut. That was all on 3x5.

My current bench is 350 1rm @ 175ls bodyweight. At 285 I had to switch to 5/3/1. I believe the only reason I got so far on LP was extremely good bench form. Whenever I go to the gym no one benches properly. Even most youtube lifters don't bench very well.

>>42104789
>extremely good bench form
Show me the secrets
plz

>>42103586
I'm currently doing Ivysaurs 448, really enjoying it, modified it a tad

>>42104633
>when can I stop doing SS?
>I keep getting injured
Stop now. 5-rep schemes are the problem. Start training 3-6x8-12 reps for compound lifts and 3-4x8-20 reps for isolation.

I did SL for 3 months. All that happened to me
>numbers went up
>hurt my rotator cuff and had to take 2 weeks off then 1 week rehabing then reset my lifts to 50%
>barely any aesthetic gains (sorry no pics)

Switched to PPL with a 8-12 rep scheme. I feel healthier, safer while working out, and I'm losing my gut and getting visibly bigger arms, back, chest.

You don't have to chase after 1/2/3/4. It's a meme. People online like to talk about their numbers instead of showing their bodies. As a result, you've got all the dyel-looking beginner's doling out advice solely based around numbers.

You didn't start lifting for numbers, you started to get in shape and look better with a little carry-over for strength.

>>42105011
>You didn't start lifting for numbers, you started to get in shape and look better with a little carry-over for strength.
>implying

>>42103713
Hey man, what is the best SS template? There are a couple. I want to move to TM after but wan't to make sure I'm doing enough back work etc.

75kg bw 5'10
67.5kg 3x5 bench
90kg 3x5 squat
145 1x5 dl

>>42103675
used to be filtered atleast. why has moot forsaken us

>>42103656
Guys should think of it as a 2:1 ratio of upper body to lower body. PPL lets the guy have four upper body days and two lower body days.

Girls usually like UL because it's 1:1, or do a Push/Pull with 50-50 balance between upper and lower bodies on both days.

>>42105341
Just read the book. The explanation for finding your starting weights is too involved for a template so you'd be doing SL or something like it following a template.

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what did insanely accomplished legendary strength coach with book-long list of medalists in plethora of disciplines mean by this?

>>42103562
>durr what's the difference between higher volume and lower volume

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>>42103377

>>42103377
DESU I agree with the decision to remove strong lifts, it's a shitty LP filled with questionable logic.
I disagree with their decision to remove SS as the program is relatively efficient and more importantly teaches novice lifters that you need to work and try hard to make progress, but if you do that then you will make a shit load of progress.

>>42105341
The best approach is to follow the progression in the book.
You start doing a lot of DLs, then switch to the 'normal' well known template, then introduce front squats once a week to recover more... then it's TM time, learn to hate your mondays.

But there's one thing that's essential: SS includes power cleans, the TM does too, so learn how to perform them and DO POWER CLEANS. Do not belive the false prophets that advocate rows instead, rows can be added in once you're on the TM on top of the cleans.

IDK what to think about your lifts, you're quite light for your height and your lifts are quite light for the TM, but if you don't want to bulk then switch.
It's better to switch early and slow down a bit your progress, than keeping on deloading and stalling at the same weights, risking injuries and losing even more time because your diet doesn't support your training.

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>>42103875
>not pushing yourself to your limit by doing amrap
>making it

choose one anon

>>42105614
>choose one
>none of the options are penetrating your anus
let's be honest, your anus is always on the table.

>>42105606
Thanks, I plan to follow the routine as written since I've been fucking around and program hopping for a while. Aside from the 3x15 pullups included twice a week, is anything else needed?

How does the bench progression work when I don't have less than 2.5kg plates. Do I just keep trying until I get all reps (no more than 3 times)? eg. 4,4,3 / 5,4,4 / 5,5,5 ?

Also how fast should I be gaining weight per week? Don't want to become a fatfuck and do too much.

>>42105704
>How does the bench progression work when I don't have less than 2.5kg plates.
You could buy a couple of microplates, or gems, or whatever we call 1.25kg plates now, and bring them with you. Makes it way easier to progress, even better if you can find some 0.5s too. They are cheap, but can be hard to find.
Anyway, yeah, if that's the equipment you have you just use it as normal.
>how fast should I be gaining weight per week?
The commonly accepted standard is 4 lbs/2kgs per week. Ideally, you should eat more if you're stalling, but that's hard to eyeball as a novice.

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>>42105823
>The commonly accepted standard is 4 lbs/2kgs per week
Jesus Christ.
Really?
This is insane.

>>42103377
I didn't like SS before, now that reddit disaproves of it, I changed my mind. Fuck reddit faggots

>>42105870
wtf i love ss now

>>42105841
oh god it is...
sorry, per MONTH

>>42103544
>but maybe its time for hypertrophy

It's always time for hypertrophy.

SS/SL isn't bad routines, but just telling everyone to do them while knowing nothing about the person in question is retarded. Rugby/football players who already have an athletic background will probably make huge gains during the off-season doing SS. A skinnyfat office worker who doesn't understand how to hip hinge or have shitty mobility might have different needs in the beginning. The small variation of lifts and constant heavy work also lends itself to overuse injuries.

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These twins decided to test SS against a 3-day brosplit. SS twin ended up stronger by quite a lot on every lift except Bench Press, which the other twin had a 10kg advantage. Many routines can work, but SS WILL give you the FASTEST results, strength wise. If you want your biceps to be 1 inch larger and your quads and ass to be much smaller, do another program, but don't try to "disprove" one of the most useful begginer programs in existence.

Also, reading the book and watching the videos Rip has on youtube is an absolute must. its the BEST way to learn the basic lifts and prevent snapping your shit up.

>>42106237
>A skinnyfat office worker who doesn't understand how to hip hinge
>have shitty mobility
hey that's me
what should I do instead
I've been doing stretches for a month and still cant hold the bar for squats

>>42103377

They're right. Starting strength fucking sucks.

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>>42106243
>>42106237
Thats what the book is for. The book covers almos

>>42106237
>>42106257
Almost every possible starting "scenario", wether you're old, young, athletic or a fat slob. Most people don't read the book and then cry that their form is shit because the program makes them go "heavy".

>>42106243
My program consist on getting big not strong

Why do people even considee doing SS?

If you want a body, why do Ss?

>>42106279
Are you blind? The SS twin got as big, if not bigger, than the brosplit one. Why would you run a program to "get big" as a begginer if you could have more gains, mass and strength wise, on SS?

>>42106279
How can you get big without getting strong in the process?

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>>42106279

There's a bunch of dumb DYELS on this board who recommend starting strength to any beginner regardless of what their body goals are.

>>42106279
Because it's more effective, in the long term, to get an awesome strength base first and work on hypertrophy later.
Also, if you want 'a body' for summer and not for a bb competition, literally any routine will work, just make sure to cut properly. Abs are more important than one more inch on your guns.

>>42106243
>>42106257
>>42106273
Then everyone should read SS and do the program, since it obviously is best for everyone and no one can do wrong if they follow The Program™. Why is everyone on this board so autistic that they need a one size fits all solution to everything?

>>42106363
>on this board
maybe you missed that SS/SL has been _removed_ from the recommended routines on a different site, where something else is dictated in a "one size fits all" fashion. And probably because of some autistic faggots who stood on it for a couple of years

>>42103771
i would knock your frail ass out in 1 punch pussy, pinner as fuck

>>42106363
Because begginers don't need personalized routines. Put any begginer on a LP and they will gain hard. SS, SL or Greskyull works better than any brosplit for a begginer.

>>42106243

This is what retards on this board actually believe. That somehow, a convenient 3x5 setxrep structure, at the same exact weight, is optimal for anything.

"Wow isn't it great how the human body works? You can do the exact same movement for the exact same resistance and get maximum benefits. It's like nature and God wanted us to get stronger without touching any plates between sets".


This is what people ACTUALLY believe, that a program with 0 research behind it, picking a convenient 5 rep range is SOMEHOW optimal because a washed up trainer wrote a book about it 20 years ago.

THIS IS LITERALLY THE SORT OF PERSON THAT CRITICIZES MY ADVICE AND ASKS ME TO TIMESTAMP MY PICTURE

>>42106243
>>42106257
>>42106293
>>42106520
Theres nothing wrong with 3x5. Shut the fuck up all of you, the pics are fake. The guy confirmed it was him and not a twin.

>>42106520
its you again?
im still waiting for the timestamp

>>42103586
I'd do 5/3/1, maximize noob gains, then switch over to a ppl once jacked. SS has you squating too much.

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>>42106534
Lmao and how are they standing next to each other?

>>42106298

There are suggested mechanisms for how high rep training might lead to sarcoplasmic hypertrophy as opposed to max effort training which possibly promotes myofibrillar hypertrophy.

There's also the point of training your CNS to optimally activate your musclature, learning optimal ways to move the load etc. which you might never get to with high rep ranges.

Getting strong is retarded, especially if you're a natural trainee. You will never be close to what someone on steroids will be able to lift. Might as well just go for looking good and keeping yourself healthy (joints included).

>>42106534
https://4archive.org/board/fit/thread/30146641
Original bread
>>42106520
>exact same resistance and weight

Another retard, I guess everyone squats 135 for the entire duration of the program right?

>Read SS
>"Olympic weightlifters should do lowbar squats"
Are you guys seriously defending this

>>42104188
>click on bench
>first picture is of shit form.

Yea these guys know what's up.

>>42106564
>getting strong is retarded
Spoken like a true faggot. Have fun snapping your back when you move out of your house because your wife's boyfriend doesn't like being around a fuckboy.

>>42105606
Youre in a thread talking about why SS is shit for beginner and you're advocating power cleans.

God this board is retarded.

>>42106605

I deadlift 4 plate and change for reps. I just don't deadlift regularly.

3x5 programs are for retarded natties.

>>42106595
this?
http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/PectoralSternal/BBBenchPress.html

how should it must done?

>>42106626
Power cleans ARE for fucking beginners.
If you aren't an octuagenarian, a pregnant lady, a scoliotic, or idk some other condition keeps you in awful shape, you should be able to power clean properly.

>>42103677
This has to be fucking bait

>>42106667
And this has to be summer.

>>42103771
You look like shit for someone who's been lofting that long

>>42106633
>/fraud/ lecturing anyone about routines
I'm sure that if you keep pinning maybe your test will someday be on the same level as Tyrone's and your wife may let you sleep in the house again.

>>42106727
About your enormous faggotry, please refrain from posting fitness advice.

>>42106706
How the fuck did you get that I'm not natural? If you're natty, you will NEVER get close to even a casual roider in strength, so why bother lifting for MUH STRENGTH GAINS is the point.

Just lift for health, well-being and looks.

>>42106758
>If you're natty, you will NEVER get close to even a casual roider in strength
>If you're natty, you will NEVER get close to even a casual roider in aesthetics
>If you're natty, you will NEVER get close to even a casual roider in sport performance

I guess nobody should do anything since roiders will always be better right?

Fucking retarded logic

>>42106363
>Why is everyone on this board so autistic that they need a one size fits all solution to everything?
>autistic
There you go. These people process the world differently than normal people. They need to obsessively categorize everything, establish hierarchies etc. Barbell strength training is the be all, end all. Incidentally also the only physical activity where athleticism, skill or certain physical features arent needed. Just ambition and dedication

>>42106758
Not that guy but you did make it sound like you take test

>youll never be as strong as you could be if you put dangerous chemicals into your body so whats the point
Kys, my man

>>42106534

SS is a fucking meme you goddamn nerd. Five reps isn't a fucking workout, it's a fucking warmup.

>>42106808
t. pussy
Add a couple extra plates on the bar next time cuck

>>42106787
>Incidentally also the only physical activity where athleticism, skill or certain physical features arent needed.
>skill and athleticism arent needed to lift hundreds of pounds off the ground

>>42106298
You can get big and get strong in the process
>>42106304
Yeah, i see that in every thread
>>42106341
You dont have to and its not recommended nor necessarily

>>42106808
>t. baby weight lifter
I know you feel totally exhaust after you lmao 2pl8 squats x 10 but that's a joke.

>>42106415
They can make their own routine, internet has many stuff

>>42106903
Sure they can, but their results will be sub-optimal

>>42104122

SS is recommended for beginners.

Unless your goal is to raise your squat at the expense of your other lifts, it's shit.

SS has always been butt because of power cleans imo. I'd say GSLP or 531 over it personally but who cares

Lmao SS is a beginner program. It's to help skinny retards who have 0 experience lifting get into barbell/strength training. If you're doing pure SS after a year and not seeing progress then fuck off to Reddit while stroking your neckbeard decrying a foundational regimen because you obviously didn't do your research.

>>42106248
bump

>>42107263
531 for beginners is shit literal shit the program is amazing if you are middle intermediate in strength I.e 2/3/4/5 otherwise you will make suboptimal gains.

>>42107710
I've ran 531 BBB 4 days and found it great for gains earlier on. Obviously including joker sets and AMRAP sets.

>>42103963
nice try slipping that one in there Alex but you sincerely need to fuck off

>>42103586
something bodybuild rep style . you are going to be doing compound movements anyways and the noob gains will be rolling

>>42103427
>>42103377
>one guy on reddit is a faggot who doesnt know anything about strenght training
>all the site is garbage
by this metric this board is deep in the trash as well

>>42103701

You work upper body every day
Novices, and even new intermediates, don't need 9001 silly bullshit exercises, and will benefit from focusing on the core barbell lifts
Desiring a "horizontal" pull is absolute nonsense. Any horizontal pull is going to use a pulley system so that weights are traveling vertically anyway, and is just a contrived way of doing what proper barbell rows, or even better, deadlifts and power cleans would do anyway.
Arms don't flex, joints flex. You're thinking of elbow flexors, and you're still retarded, because SS includes chin ups. Which you'd know if you had read the book, you god damn retard.

>>42107958
you squat 600 and bench 300 lad, this is a very undesirable ratio (although your lifts are good) for most people and they should probably not take your programming advice unless they also would like to bench half their squat and become bottom heavy vessels for Rippetoe's milk

>>42108071
Do you think your squat should same or close to your bench? Fucking dyels stating their shit opinion

>>42108238
squat doubling your bench indicates poor bench programming

not even candito, a renown benchlet, squats twice his bench

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>>42103377

I'll bite

Simple as this. Both SL and SS are variations of Reg Park's beginner routine. Reg Park was Arnold's idol. Pic related is reg park in his prime.

>>42106341
>Because it's more effective, in the long term, to get an awesome strength base first and work on hypertrophy later.
i see this posted alot. I would like proof.

>>42104083
>is there a single pic of this purplespengler tripfag doing it for free?
>is there a single pic of this purplespengler tripfag doing it for free?
>is there a single pic of this purplespengler tripfag doing it for free?
Does anyone have ANY kind of pic of this armchair sysadmin/wannabe coach?
How is it even possible that someone starts shitting so much on coaches who have been successful for literal decades and NO ONE HAS A PIC OF HIM?

>>42108370

>asking proof for memes

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>>42103377
>as long as muh pounds on the bar through full ROM goes up
>because every habit they've learned from doing them for 6 months is the exact opposite of how you build strength in the long term.

STARTING

STRENGTH

IT'S IN THE FUCKING NAME

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>>42103586
Also did Ivysaurs 4-4-8 instead of SS as well. It's a bit intense for the first two months or so but it begins to normalize by the 3rd by then I was adding in accessories and did this for about 2 more months. At 6 months I was able to combine A and B days in one session. Which is when I moved onto a linear PPL program.

>>42103677
>Maybe SS for a month to learn the lifts and your options, then transition to cables
to hang yourself with, yeah

>>42103677
>transition to cables, machines and dumbbells for most of the stuff or work with compounds for higher rep ranges.

lol. lanklet with no FRAME spotted

>tfw reached 3pl8 squat in under 6 months on SS
Why the fuck is that even a debate?

Even if you want aethetics, you're not getting them curling groceries from your shopping cart.

If you want to do reps for hypertrophy, you should get your strength up there on 3x5, then do your 3x8-12 or whatever you want with a weight that would've taken you a year to achieve otherwise.

>>42109929
>you should get your strength up there on 3x5, then do your 3x8-12 or whatever you want with a weight that would've taken you a year to achieve
Exactly.
thats the whole fuckin point of the program
thats why its called starting strength and not keep on strength

>>42103647
>hench as fuck
I don't speak ebonics what does this mean?

>>42109929
>>42109981
what bw did you go from and to and also height?
2pl8 is hard as fuck and I'm 80kg maybe i just need to eat even more

>>42103677
>any program that has you do that long term.
>SS
>Long term

You inbred pointy-headed monkey, SS lasts six months for most and nine months for an outlier. What about that is "long term"?

>>42106520
>You can do the exact same movement for the exact same resistance and get maximum benefits.

Perhaps you should get someone to read the book to you, you illiterate mongoloid. The resistance goes up every session.

>>42106584

Christ. It's for BEGINNERS. The first half a year of what should be a decades-long career of lifting. A rank novice has no business doing technical lifts until they have the basic movement patterns ingrained so they're second nature even at heavy weights.

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>>42107819
Anyone say this board is better than reddit anon

>>42108412
Still waiting for pics of this purplespengler armchair coach. No pics? No credentials? At all? Like, really? Christ.

>>42110401
u dont need visual proofs to see that hes a retarded

>>42110368
>technical lifts
>high-bar squat

Squatting is a basic human movement pattern. If you cannot squat ass to grass with bodyweight or an empty barbell, you need to work on mobility. If you can overhead press the bar for 4 or 5 reps, you should be able to overhead squat ATG as well.

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>>42110452