Shit DYELs say >it's useless to lift for more than

if your workout takes more than 1.5h then it's low intensity trash

>i don't wanna get bulky, i just wanna tone

>not doing eight hour arm workouts

>>42085880
Kek as a Dyel who's trying his hardest to make it I actually hear this so much from others.

>>42085797
>what protein powder should I buy

>whats a diddly

>>42085797
>my squat plug keeps shooting out of my ass in the hole. Should I go larger?
>2 grams of proton/lb meme
>sumo deadlift is cheating

>>42085879
Yeah fuck that sheiko guy and that nuckols guy and those professional athlete guys. You sure showed them, anonymous east filipino basket weaver!

>>42085895
Go right the fuck back to rabbit.

>>42085797
>yeah I benched 200 lbs in high school.
Nobody lifts to round numbers in lbs.
100 kilos sure, but it's a giveaway that they never lifted in their life.
>using a pl8, a 25, a 5 and a 2.5 on each side.

>>42086433
there all on roids idiot

>>42086433
They're all on gear you fucking autist.

>>42086433
Nattys will fuck themselves up with that volume/intensity. You need gear to blast 5 trainings a week with big intensity and volume

>>42086433
>comparing nuckols to a coach of world record holders

>>42085889
would this do anything for someone who isn't roided?

>>42085797
How do you get any decent full body session done in less than 2 hours honestly?

>>42085797
>you can't leave humanity behind

>>42088283
Only dyels do full-body

>>42088408
Isn't fit like 90% dyels though?

>>42088166
Try it and find out.

>>42088530
i've thought of it...

>>42088166
According to a friend, it makes your arms swell up for a few days and look huge.

>>42085879
Sheiko workouts easily take 2 hours on the higher volume days, and they work extremely well

>>42087963
>>42087989
>>42088125
don't give an opinion if you don't know what you're talking about, it will save you a lot of embarrassment

>>42088146
he was comparing them from the standpoint of their programs taking 2+ hours, not level of coaching accomplishment i think

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>>42085797
A workout shouldn't exceed one hour. Learn to better allocate your time.

>>42088166

I do it right before New Years every year as a tradition. Didn't measure the first time well, but 1/8" on the second year permanent.

>>42088831
post body

>"why do I need to do squats and leg shit? I'm just gonna do crunches and work arms and eat salads for a 6 pack and biceps"

>>42088831
This diagram is complete bullshit, link evidence to its proof

>>42088895
I don't do squats or deadlifts and I'm in better overall shape than 99.9999% of this board

Stay mad fags

>>42088408
I hope you are memeing
>better strength gains
>more balanced physique
>higher test production as all muscles used

>>42085879
You seem to have forgotten your meme arrow, people might think that's your actual opinion

>>42087102
Fuck your stupid

>>42088793
All three of those guys you told to shut up were right though and you're wrong. You will literally never make good gains if you are doing a 5 day brosplit as natty, and you will also overtrain and just fuck yourself up.

>>42090556

Lmao, I've never seen this level of dumbassery before here. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

>>42090379
Post pic then faggot

>>42086433
Oh, you mean guys like Jay Cutler? You know, the guy who always trained 45 minutes only a few days a week since the beginning of his bodybuilding career? You know, the guy who was several times Mr. Olympia?

>>42090598

>when your genetics, diet, and hormones you.inject are more important than the work you put in

Good example.

>>42090610
You came up with professional athletes who are all on gear, every single one of them, without exception.

>>42085880
I want to shoot up the gym every time I hear this, hearing this is absolute cancer to my ears. I always feel like throat punching whoever says that.

>>42090627

>every professional athlete competing in every league right now is on gear

First off, blanket statements like that are always wrong.

Second, a majority of professional sports are more about inherent talent, and learned skills than strength or size.

Third that wasn't even me you replies to ya dip.

>>42090657
Then I'm excuse myself for thinking you were the guy, but:

Every single athlete who compete on a professional level is on roids. How else it is possible that the records now are more times higher than in the 40s and 50s, so the time period where you can assume that there were still natty professional athletes? Why are the muscles from bodybuilders and bicycle athletes bigger than ever before? Sure not because of a "special secret training routine", because they have the genes AND the roids for that.

>>42090683

Notice how I said bodybuilding was a sport where diet, genetics and which hormones you inject are more important than the work you out in?

Records like you said are not being broken all the time. And there are plenty of records which most likely never will be broken in professional sports.

I do 1 hour plus every second day
Usually between 40 min to 1.5 but an hour is average, only do short workouts if I don't have much time and usually go two days in a row if I do
Rarely gone over 2h, by then I'm just so hungry and spent of energy it's not worth it

>>42085797

8/10 bait, got me to respond

What are diminishing returns anon?

>>42090683
I'm a professional track athlete (made Olys but not a medalist or anything cool) and I'm legitimately natty (inb4 that's why you didn't win) and train 6 days a week and 2-4 hours a day depending
You have a pretty shit diet, genetics and sleep pattern if you think 5 days a week is too much

>>42090569
No. You have no idea what you are talking about. As natty, it will take you 5 years on a brosplit to make the gains someone does with powerlifting in one year.

>>42090707
Like no manager will ever win more FA cup trophies than Arsene Wenger.

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>people here unironically fall for the training everyday hours each time iron life sheiko meme

Literally a waste of time.
Look up Dan john and how he trained as an athlete thrower.

And before you start talking about muh protein muscle synthesis shit, keep in mind MPS is not a direct indication of muscle GROWTH, it's just an indication that muscle proteins are being created, but it could be a mere indication that damage is being repaired, not that new muscle is being built, and according to the latest literature muscle damage negates muscle hypertrophy.

>>42090760
Tell that to layne norton who made most of his gains on a fucking bro split.

>>42090756
You are with 100% certainty not a professional athlete.

>>42089404
Ask me how I know you're a brainless DYEL.

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Friendly reminder that if you suck cocks right after exercise you're more prone to get HIV

>>42090807
, on roids.

>>42091904
>layne norton was his biggest without roids

Great argument.

>>42091924
and you're a fool. He has always been on roids.

>>42088831
>waiting 48 hours to go back to the gym
Never gonna make it

>>42090598
You're a fucking idiot. Jay worked his ass off.

>>42090610
You too.

my gf has a friend who "knows" about fitness, but he's a dyel who just does some cardio+burpees or whatnot, although he is lean

he keeps bugging me to create me a personalised programme so that I can train properly or whatever

I don't how to explain to them that I am doing PL on C6W right now and not some bullshit gym stuff for getting toned and healthy

when I was on TM he and his gf kept laughing at me for not knowing how to work out because I did squats thrice a week

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

>bro why don't you run for like 25 minutes before every workout, get the blood pumping eh?
>but I have to do a squat 5 rep PR after that, I need my legs
>You really don't know how to work out, do you? you'll hurt yourself!

>>42091947
actually, the best time to hit the gym is between 24 and 36 hours later. Assuming you have slept well and you ate right, otherwise it doesn't even make sense. The more you train, the more often you train too.
People anyway tend to forget they don't grow at the gym.Every gym has youngsters wasting 2+ hrs/session 4+ days/week with negligible results.

>>42091938

Got any proof?
Also, still doesn't change the fact that he made the vast majority of his gains on a bro split, look at his training on bb forums.

>>42091969
>"friend" is boning your gf

>>42091996
he has a gf of his own

>>42091977
Problem with this is that it's only theory.
IN THEORY you maximize gains on higher frequency training but the problem here is that you are not maximizing recovery vast majority of the time unless you're on a very well structured training regime and with a better than "good" diet.

Also it's not taking into account the novelty effect, people that are usually used in the studies "proving" high frequency is superior have never done it before and it's a new stimulus, and therefore they gain more from it.

Also, muscle protein synthesis elevation does not mean muscle growth, it means muscle protein synthesis which could entirely be only used for recovering and healing the muscle you already have and 0 for extra growth.

Also your muscles do not disappear after resting a week, and therefore any possible benefit of "high frequency" is almost non existant when you consider this is a long term thing.

>>42091990
>Got any proof?
I don't want to sound offensive, I really don't. But I have to ask. Are you mentally impaired?
>http://nattyornot.com/is-layne-norton-on-steroids/
>Also, still doesn't change the fact that he made the vast majority of his gains on a bro split
, on roids.
He's particularly defensive on this topic. He's giving space on his site to something like this
>https://www.biolayne.com/articles/supplementation/natty-witch-hunt/
>You can go around accusing everyone and their grandmother of not being natty but, at the end of the day, the only person this is going to hurt is yourself. Since you don’t truly know who is natural or not, speaking as if you know with certainty that someone is on drugs makes you appear naïve, and often petty.
That's some massive butthurt. He construed his whole reputation on all things "natural" and has both a fund and a business construed around this image.
Besides, if you're fool enough to hop on a brosplit w/o roids, enjoy your ride. Your loss bro

>>42088831
sauce pls. i know this is correct but i wanna read more

>>42092000
> Boning both of them desu

>>42092000
And he's boning yours.

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>>42092069
>>42092063

>>42092058
Sounds like you have a personal bias against the faggot.
It has nothing to do with the fact that he made the vast majority of his gains on a bro split, and now he's bigger and stronger than he was, is he natty(er) now or something?

>>42092060
You kindly asked, you shall receive.
Rob Faigin, Natural Hormonal Enhancements, Chapter 21.
You can get the pdf here
https://web.archive.org/web/20110912160414/http://www.hormonalfitness.com/pdfs/NHE-Chapter-21.pdf

>>42090379
Being underweight doesnt count as "good shape", idiot

>>42085880
You have to be able to translate what people mean when they say this. I know it is an incorrect mindset, but it simply means. Lose a little weight and build a little muscle.

>>42092079
Dont let him push you around and tell you what to do in front of your gf. Tell him to fuck off next time.

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>>42091969
tell him you are doing c6w aspie and to mind his own business

>>42085880
I tried to explain to a skelly girl (40 kg) that she won't get bulky and won't get "big legs" if she accidentally enters a gym, unless she starts injecting herself some test. She keeps repeating she just wants to "tone" and that she can get "naturally" big legs if she exercises too much (she's 40 kg, 170 cm).
It can't be helped.

>>42086306
Been here for two years, still can't figure it out from context.

>>42092182
deadlift, you're welcome

>>42088166

It probably wouldn't even help someone on Roids. Piana is a shit talker.

>>42092099
thx

>>42088831
That's an impressive graph to be pseudoscience

>>42092247
Except it's not pseudoscience.

>>42092229
Fucking kill your self. He didn't come up with that workout. It's like 60 years old.

>>42090379
Whens school start fag

>>42091969
are you at least stronger than him? if not then that's pretty pathetic, if yes then it's still pathetic

>>42091977

>actually, the best time to hit the gym is between 24 and 36 hours later
>actually im pulling broscience out of my ass

everyone in this thread

>>42093113
Except that's not broscience.

>>42092287
Except it is psuedoscience

>>42093113
>It has been shown that muscle protein synthetic rate (MPS) is elevated in humans by 50% at 4 hrs following a bout of heavy resistance training, and by 109% at 24 hrs following training. This study further examined the time course for elevated muscle protein synthesis by examining its rate at 36 hrs following a training session. Six healthy young men performed 12 sets of 6- to 12-RM elbow flexion exercises with one arm while the opposite arm served as a control. MPS was calculated from the in vivo rate of incorporation of L-[1,2-13C2] leucine into biceps brachii of both arms using the primed constant infusion technique over 11 hrs. At an average time of 36 hrs postexercise, MPS in the exercised arm had returned to within 14% of the control arm value, the difference being nonsignificant. It is concluded that following a bout of heavy resistance training, MPS increases rapidly, is more than double at 24 hrs, and thereafter declines rapidly so that at 36 hrs it has almost returned to baseline.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8563679

>>42093279
No, it isn't. Your attention disorder probably is halting you from getting the chapter from where that well accepted graph comes, plus its 340+ academic references. Happy shitposting.

>i'm supposed to count the weight of the bar, right?

>>42087102
Retarded

>>42093401
It is psuedoscience written by 340+ gaylords

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>>42093314
i'm stupid, what does this mean?

>>42094223

Basically any more than a day and a half between exercises of a particular muscle is useless as your body stops growing/repairing/rebuilding it.

>>42094223
it means you can curl everyday son

>>42094204
t. king of gaylordland, prince of manletia

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Are you a Steve or a Leo?

If you're working out for 90 minutes, you're doing something wrong. Probably lifting baby weights 1,000,000 times or something equally retarded. I only workout for an hour, but at the end I'm sometimes too exhausted to walk.\

Work harder and quit wasting your time.

>>42085889
R H A B D O
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>>42094448
my sides

>brb gonna curl

>[unsolicited lifting advice]

>>42085797
>How much do you lift?
> Yeah I used to do [2 times whatever you say] when I lifted.

>>42088125

>You need gear to blast 5 trainings a week with big intensity and volume

Of all the pussies in the world, you might be the pussiest. Maybe work hard once in a while, you might like the results.

>>42088831
>"natural hormone enhancement"
wew

>>42088895
Works for twink dyels, and they'll still get more pussy than you

>>42085889
>>42088166
>>42088880
Christ I thought this was just an autistic meme about jerking off for 8 hours straight. Why is this a real workout?

>>42096628
Longest I've jerked off for was 5 hours

>>42096640
I once jerked off for at least 8 hours straight, but that was because I was on meth. Had to force myself to cum.

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>>42096688
>at least 8 hours straight
>at least

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>>42091969
Do you really call it C6W? Come on man...

What if I train with only 1 compound + 1 isolation exercise (max 20 minutes) twice a day spacing equally the two trainings and rotating muscle groups in order to allow at least 36 hours before hitting the same muscle again?
Like,
Monday
12:00 5x4 Bench press ; 2x12 wrist flexors
22:00 5x4 Squat ; 2x12 calf raises

Tuesday
12:00 3x12 OHP; 3x12 delt raises
22:00 3x12 LTE; 5x3+ Incline DB Bench Press

Wednsday
12:00 5x3 deadlift; 5x3 clean and push
22:00 face pull; ab wheel/hanging leg raise

and so on and so forth
assuming you have a home gym and/or a private gym at your workplace

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>>42085797
I wait for Piana's death like most of /fit/ jerks off to Boogie dying on the operating table. Somehow he disgusts me more than boogie.

fite me

>>42097000
they're about the same for me. I'm betting it'll be some kind of cancer. Why is it always daego wops that feel like they have to overcompensate with roids and muscle?

>>42091969
Maybe if you had some fucking muscle people wouldn't laugh at you. Do you "powerlifters" ever fucking learn?

>>42093279
>>42094204
Pseudoscience*
fucking fuck, i bet you write 'pheonix' too, asshole

>>42085797
>you should work more core

>>42097037
It's that filthy Moor blood. everyone's know they're just nigger cousins.

>>42086433
but i don't juice

>>42092360
>defending synthol arm man
topcuck