Anyone here had any experience with cutting carbs out of their

>>42077446
Never feel tired or have a desire to binge on carbs. They aren't really necessary. And by cutting them out I replaced them with whole foods

I did low-carb instead. Best decision I've made last year when I noticed I started see my belly bulge. Lost about 25 lbs (was nearing 180), lost virginity and ate a lot of wholesome fatty foods. Overall, life became better.

>>42077446

I did keto and lost 40 pounds. Probably one of the easiest most impactful things I've done in my life.

>>42077446
that looks so fucking good

>>42077535
>lost virginity
explain

>>42077841
benis go in bagina

Keep in slamming down those eggs, bacon and butter.

People like you are the reason I get paid over $650,000 a year in Australia as a cardiothoracic surgeon.

>b-but I'm lean, I'll never have heart problems from my brain-dead retarded mass intake of cholesterol

Yeah, tell that to all the active, fit and in-shape people in their 30s and 40s who I've had to do surgery on who spent years on high-fat diets consisting of mainly animal/saturated fats.

I'm personally not even a vegan or vegetarian, but if you actually care about your heart health, keep you in-take of cholesterol and overall saturated fats to a bare minimum, in-fact just give up eggs and bacon all-together, and stop applying butter on your food, use olive-oil.

No I am not going to answer any questions, I'm off to have fun in my new Aventador.

>>42077446
Don't cut them out. You need fiber to poop. Less than 100g carbs and you start to lose water weight.

>>42078060
what about people who cut carbs to lose weight?

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>>42077446
>Anyone here had any experience with cutting carbs out of their diet?
Mmmm bacon and butter! Cholestoral raises test! You CAN outrun a bad diet, goy!

>>42078060
>larper as a surgeon
>surgeon consultant on 4chan
>thinks that 30 and 40 year olds are the bulk of modern medicine and not rare as shit.
2/10 made me reply.

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>>42078024

>>42077446
If I cut carbs too much for too long I get angry and drained of energy.
Not eating carbohydrates doesn't bother me i don't have any cravings for them but i feel like i need some to keep my body running properly.

>>42078728
Up your protein intake.

>>42077841
You see, when a man and a woman love eachother...

just carb cycle

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>>42077446
that fucking hair on the bottom right piece.

>>42077446
>entire metabolic physiology is based on ample amount of glucose for energy

Yeah naw, cutting carbs is great.

>>42077446

I have been doing keto for a year

Pro:
>Feeling better in general
>no more blood sugar roller coaster
>Lose fat easily
>never hungry
> less acne and better skin
>easy to eat a lot of protein

Cons :
>can't eat with people (i don't care i don't have any friends)
>can't eat a lot of my favorite shit

>>42077446
Shit went liquid, wouldn't recommend fully cutting carbs out. Was my easy source for fibres

>>42077446
this looks like a healthy diet

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>>42077446
Enjoy your heart attack

>>42078939
>Cons :
>can't eat with people (i don't care i don't have any friends)
>can't eat a lot of my favorite shit
>breath smells like shit
>body oder 20x worse
>cognition is awful because my brain has no glucose
>memory is awful because ^
>often forget what I'm doing because ^
>literally turning myself diabetic
>arteries hurt
>constant angina
>constant heart burn
>will die of a heart attack at 30

I look pretty fucking juicy, though

>>42079027
>breath smells like shit
The first week it's true but after it's back to normal
>body oder 20x worse
?
>cognition is awful because my brain has no glucose
No i'm have the same grades as before and feel sharper
>memory is awful because ^
^
>often forget what I'm doing because ^
no
>literally turning myself diabetic
What ? How can one tun diabetic because of keto ? It's even a treatment for diabetics
>arteries hurt
...
>constant angina
no
>constant heart burn
no
>will die of a heart attack at 30
My last blood test was in range for everything

>>42079027

You are a fat fuck who tried keto and gave up and ate donuts so now you resent keto because of your own weakness. You larp as a cardiovascular surgeon trying to tell people keto is worthless, but in reality it is you who are worthless in your failed pursuit to lose weight

>>42079081
>What ? How can one tun diabetic because of keto ? It's even a treatment for diabetics

No, it's not. High fat intake leads to insulin resistance. You're so fucked when you start eating carbs again, man.

Saturated fat literally kills the beta cells of the pancreas which are responsible for releasing insulin, and interferes with the cell's ability to allow insulin to trigger its ability to allow glucose into the cell, basically starving you at the cellular level.

>>42079195
That's a lot of projection, friend. And nah, I just eat whole foods and cut back on food intake if my body fat get's above 15%. Easy peasy.

There's nothing special about keto, you still have to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight, and anytime you do anything more intense than walking your body cannibalizes muscle tissue via gluconeogenisis so that it can get the glucose is desperately needs to preform.

I've been on a keto diet for a month now. It feels pretty good but I have a serious craving for Pop-Tarts

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>>42079081
>What ? How can one tun diabetic because of keto ? It's even a treatment for diabetics
You have absolutly no idea what you are talking about

>>42077446
I went full on keto autism for a while, cut carbs to sub 20g. After a while, i realised that this is simply a chore with no actual benefit, so i upped them to sub 100g per day and that's how i intend to eat for the rest of my life.

>>42079081
>>cognition is awful because my brain has no glucose
>No i'm have the same grades as before and feel sharper
>no I'm

Looking sharp, bro.

>>42078060
this.
guy i know has lethally high colesterol at a young age of 26 (TWENTY-SIX).
Now he is forced to live ridiculously healthy or he will literally die.

>>42079199

>https://www.ruled.me/the-ketogenic-diet-and-insulin-resistance/

"The first study assessing the direct impact of ketogenic diets on insulin resistance was conducted ten years ago in 2005. In it, researchers recruited 10 obese patients with type 2 diabetes and had them consume their normal diets for 1 full week. Then, the researchers provided them with a high-fat ketogenic diet for 2 weeks.

After the intervention, the 10 subjects experienced a mean energy intake decrease from 3111 kcal/day to 2164 kcal/day- representing a 30.4% decrease. This resulted in a weight-loss of 1.65 kg. More significantly, insulin sensitivity improved by approximately 75%- a dramatic increase. [5] Additionally, hemoglobin A1c levels decreased from 7.3% to 6.8%, mean triglyceride levels decreased by 35% and cholesterol decreased by 10%. [5]

Key Takeaways: A ketogenic diet may substantially increase insulin sensitivity in obese subjects with type 2 diabetes.

Recommendation: If you are trying to increase your insulin sensitivity, consider utilizing a ketogenic diet."


Do you have any study or source to backup what you are saying ?

Red meat causes cancer. Fact since 2016 and known well before then. Why the FUCK would anyone do keto?

>>42079242
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/keto/

>>42079262
But that's literally wrong and not what the study said at all.

i get massively depressed or irrationally angry 2 weeks in

>>42079256
>10 participants
>significant reduction in caloric intake
>meaning people weren't in a constant overfed aka insulin producing state
>no control

This is pretty much worthless.

>>42078060
Nice LARP, faggot.

>>42077710
You misspelled "gross"

>>42079199
Please give source

>>42079339
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw8hufhIDu0

MD using multiple sources and explains basic human physiology.

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>>42077446
>thought that was cheese
oh okay that's pretty strong shit but not super bad what ever...
>it's butter
CHRIST WHY

>>42079433
people seem to think that Keto means eating butter filled bacon drizzled with olive oil and deep fried. i wish this was an exaggeration.

>>42077446
I changed where I get carbs from. Instead of bread, rice, etc, I get them from natural fibrous sources like potatoes.

Makes me crave food way less.

>>42079494
>potatoes
are not better than rice, buddy.
literally so starchy, it doesn't even count as a veggie.

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>>42077446
good
it felt good
I eat now around 100g of carbs and haven't gained much fat mass
carbs are ok in moderation...

>>42078024
Quality post

>>42079244
This man knows. Carbs around 80-100g per day and more for training days.

How important are carbs for muscle pop?

>cut out carbs from junk foods
>replace with carbs from whole foods

Don't know why people don't get this

>>42079199
This is some vegan made up lie, obviously.

>>42079312
>plate of tasty bacon with some butter (plate of healthy fats, carbs, and protein)
>gross
Stop.

>>42079546

There's literally nothing wrong with starch.

>>42077841

Women are attracted to men who arn't /fat

>>42077446
I did keto and it didn't work for me; I felt "unsatisfied" constantly.

What worked for me was simply eating clean and cutting my carbs down; I still eat carbs but i eat 100g of protein a day and i eat a serving of starchy vegetables like peas if I have a curry rather than rice.

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>>42078060
Vegan LARPers pls go

>>42084777
Enjoy death at 28

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best thing i ever did

excuse the quality

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>>42077446
Who the fuck came up with this "carbs are bad" shit?

It doesn't actually matter what the fuck you eat, as long as calories in < calories out you'll lose weight. Simple as that.

>>42078348
>>42078080
>>42078952

>What is hemp heart, flax and chia seed

Puny carb cucks

>>42085514
I don't think the lack of carbs is what helped you there juicy, something else in your body brah

for low carb diets, how do your proteins and fats stack up?

If you're eating <100g carbs per day, what foods are you using to hit your calories?

>>42085589
>What is hemp heart, flax and chia seed
0 cholesterol 0 heme cancer that's what they are

>>42085614
That's not how steroids work, they don't magically make you lose fat, you still have to eat right and in a caloric deficit, I know I juice.when I started I was about 14 percent and expected to go quickly to sub 10, it didn't happen and I had to diet harder than I ever have enough, literally weighing everything I eat to get to 11 and I'm still struggling to drop under 10. What it does do is preserve your muscle on the hard cut, off gear if I cut my Cal's as low as I do now I would have lost all my precious gainz, now at 220lbs 6'2 I'm cutting at 1500 Cal's a day and maintaining my lean mass

>>42085687
Exactly. Nothing but good fats, protein and looots of fiber. Cornerstones of any keto diet

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>>42085758
You called me a puny cuck for scoffing at a plate of bacon and butter

>>42085752
You sound like a mega faggot lmao

>>42077841
Shitposting aside, I became more confident and more physically attractive. Then one thing led to another after a few parties and the rest is history.

>>42085752
hahahahaha I love when people spout this bullshit.

GAIZ STERIDZ TOTALY DONT DO NUTHIN UNLESS U GOT THE HEART AND DISCIPLNE!!!!!!!!!

>>42079262
even if that were true, which it isnt, High carb intake is what causes cancer 90% of the time.
Anyways keto is 25% protein. You literally cant eat alot of meat because you would go over that or you will break keto because of gluconeogenesis.

>>42079396
That shit is so wrong it physically hurts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2LYe4Gzmc4
high fat + high carb is actually worse than high carb purely. High carb is still very bad
High fat low carb is king for literally every marker outside of the first 2-3 weeks. Athletes say keto adaptation to 100% takes as much as 6 months. Any study that doesnt last at least 4+weeks is null and void.
Funny how ppl with type 2 diabetes switching to keto diet actually reverse it and go off their meds, having lower tryglicerides than ppl consuming high carb low fat. :thinking:

>>42079221
except studies done on ppl losing weight on keto vs normal calorie restriction shows that on keto you get 60% less energy from protein than on a normal diet. That's strange :thinking:

>>42079221
There is something special about keto because you have 30% of the insulin you have on a high carb diet. Ppl only store energy as fat when they have insulin. When you have lower insulin guess what, that energy goes elsewhere. More and stable energy, body temp, immunity, hormone production, etc. This is a known fact.
Trial with ppl taking drugs that promote insulin production and cut 20% average calorie intake gained fat. Ppl taking drugs that inhibit insulin production and ate 20% more lose weight.

>>42078060
I make $651,000 a year in New Zealand as a cardiothoracic surgeon. Chump.

>>42078060
yeah I guess even tho my LDLs and triglycerides are within healthy levels now, suddenly out of nowhere I'm going to have heart complications
yeah no that's not going to happen I was being sarcastic.

>>42079027
>angina
>heart burn
interesting that you mention that, I went on a low-carb diet mainly to lose weight, but also because I was dealing with angina episodes and frequent heart-burn. low-carb fixed both

>>42079221
you literally have no idea how ketosis works. at least do some basic research on the science behind it before you post again. shouldn't you "know your enemy" and all that too?

>>42086548
lmao, do you seriously think you can sit around and steroids magically make you ripped?

>>42078833
You have Rain Man levels of both perception and autism

>>42086996
What kind of sheep do you operate on Dr?

>>42077446
How often do you shit eating like this? Once a month?

>>42078833
Dub dubs confirms. How fucking far did you have to zoom in to see that shit? It took me a solid 35 seconds of looking at that bacon butter sandwich at incredibly high magnification to see that shit. Do you have autism friend?

>>42087401
I laughed aloud and woke my wife up. Thanks friend. (You)

>>42087183

It's not uncommon

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/majority-of-hospitalized-heart-75668

>>42078060
Is that 650,000 dollarydoos?

>>42084777

>bacon and butter
>healthy fats

>>42088389
if grass fed then yeah, healthy. That said obviously you dont eat only that. I am doing keto atm and only about 10-15% is meat. Some days I dont even eat meat so
>>42088366
and if you actually read what that article says instead of just the title you can see that risk goes significantly down as LDL and tris goes down and as HDL goes up. If anything the article says the guidelines aren't strict enough.
Since I started keto all of my markers have improved significantly over the recommended guidelines, much more so than I've ever been on a regular diet. And even before that I was always fairly active, never drank sodas, rarely alcohol and stuff like chips,candies 2-3 times a week.

>>42088448

>if grass fed then yeah, healthy.

Insignificantly better, not healthy

>>42088448

Nice, what are your bloodwork stats?

>>42087183

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTuK6QKBvcc

>>42085554
its mostly to get your body to burn surplus fat for energy instead of surplus carbohydrates. It's working for me, I dropped from 230 to 195 in the past 6 weeks.

>>42088510
this is all high protein, not relevant

>>42088580

The protein is what causes arteries to clog up?

>>42088556

>its mostly to get your body to burn surplus fat for energy instead of surplus carbohydrates.

Why?

>>42088580
high protein convert to glucose

>>42088614

Meanwhile eating glucose pre-formed made the arteries healthier? It's the fat, bro

>>42088621
study with 36 people with a self administered diet. Yeah I'm sure it was very scientific. This is barely better than a blogpost done by a soccer mom.
And yeah it's the fat. Combined with the sugar.
High fat + high carb is worse than high carb alone.
Doesnt mean high card is good

>>42078883
no its not

ketosis exist for winter, precisely when carbs were hard to find but meats and fats were available

>>42088510
The fuck is the difference between dilatation and dilation

>>42088671

>not good enough for me!

There's no research you would accept if it doesn't conform to your current beliefs

>>42088708

>this is what I made up in my head

>>42088708
Do you have a single fact to back that up

>>42088794
yeah and you believe those fatties that say they eat 1000 calories a day and cant lose weight right? that's literally what your "study" is. its selfreported

>>42088671

>Doesnt mean high carb is good

High carb, low fat diet effectively cures heart disease when the carbs come from natural sources

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198208
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/188274

>>42088832

They were honest enough to admit they didn't stick with the initial diet they were given. I guess it's just a coincidence that all the ones who followed the experimental high-carb diet had significant arterial health improvements while every low carb eater had blockages in their arteries.

Sometimes I drink a whole 8 ounce carton of heavy whipping cream. Shit is so good. I'm 6'2" 175 though so I don't feel too terrible about it.

>>42088861
dude even the ones that stuck to the diet werent following a keto diet. your point is moot even if they did stick to it.

>>42088861
you are on /fit and you srsly dont know that people dont have a fucking clue about what they are actually eating? come on

>>42088986

Now we're back to this convo loop >>42088595

>>42089005
you point is literally fat is int arteries so fat is bad gg ez. by that premise we can deduce that every food we eat is bad. Let see. Excess carbs are stored as fat. Fat is bad, therefore carbs are bad.
But wait, too much protein converts to glucose. Excess glucose converts to fat, fat is bad, therefore protein is bad. But what can we eat then :thinking:
If keto is that bad then why is fasting so fucking good for you. prolonged fasting makes you ketogenic.
And I'm not saying high carb low fat is bad,
it has it's merits sure, The problem in my eyes is high carbs + high fat. However there are some documented issues with high carb that I personally deem to be much worse off than the slight possibility that keto is damaging to the circulation even though every other sign points the other way.
I will elaborate next post

>>42079289
Not to me. I'm a type 2 diabetic cutting in keto, those kind of results are what I'm looking for.

>>42078060
>cardiothoracic surgeon
>australia
>average salary: ~$200,000 AUS

Nice try larping faggot.

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>>42077710

>>42089068

Or that a diet that emphasizes fat, particularly animal fat, is harmful to the arteries. No need to go hysterical.

>there are some documented issues with high carb that I personally deem to be much worse off

Assuming you're talking about unprocessed carbs, share your concerns with us

>>42089068
Ok so higher blood glucose levels in old people has been linked to 5 times higher risk of dementia.
Low fat means you will struggle with hormone production.
high carb also means unstable energy levels going from hyper, not being able to focus to sluggish at best throughout the day.
This applies especially to brain energy since if you are running on fat the stream of energy is constant and it provides a better oxidation rate than glucose does.
Also once the adaptation to high fat is made it seems the gut flora changes in a way that provides amazing antiinflamatory effects throughout the body(the documentation here is quite scarce as this is a newish field, but anecdotal evidence tends to confirm this)
For example I have had terrible clogged sinuses ever since I was little, basically permanent alergies, been to a ton of doctors and no relief.
This had caused me sleep apnea and I would constantly be using nasal decongestants.
about 3 weeks into keto my nose cleared up completely, my sleep apnea resolved its self and I had made no other changes in location,routine or medication. And yes I have been on a vegan diet for 3 months before with no such relief.
One of the biggest benefits of keto, besides all the others is a constant metabolism no matter how much you eat, when you are fat adapted your body doesn't distinguish between bodyfat and the fat you eat for energy.

That said, most of the things I "assumed" are true about high carb diets might be just about high processed carbs and not characteristic of unprocessed carbs, even though both raise bloodsugar and insulin significantly and that seems to be the path that most of these afflictions take, but I cant be sure.
Unprocessed carbs are obviously not the devil and I still eat them in moderation, around 30-50g before a workout because that is still needed for optimal anaerobic strength output but close to none otherwise.
Continued

>>42089400
It may be the case that both diets are viable and healthy ( keto and high carb vegan) for different people based on genetics and gut flora.
So far most research on the subject of keto does not point towards it having any health side effects while having a miriad of benefits. Most researches that people claim prove keto is bad is either faulty(logic or parameters) or straight up irrelevant. All I need is one that lasts more than a month ( to allow for the body to become keto adapted) and that doesnt feature obese people with enormous caloric intakes.
Keto also makes it remarkably easy to do intermitent fasting which is hands down the best thing you can do for your health with virtually no effort.

>>42077446
Butter on bacon? Disgusting.

Carbs don't make you fat. Excessive calories and a sedentary lifestyle makes you fat. >65% of my diet is carbs as a vegan and I am fairly lean. Someone would probably laugh if they heard you imply I'd ever be fat.

>>42089486
except they do, you just eat little enough not to have anything to put on. Insulin stores energy as fat. No insulin means you use the energy instead(metabolism, general energy, hormone production, imunity) of storing it. Keto raises insulin levels 3 times less than high carb diets

>>42089400
Can you explain what you eat as keto?

>>42089400

Just sounds like a bunch of misconceptions and anecdotes with not much scientific validity.

Don't want dementia? Eat whole food sources of carbs, not a bunch of saturated fat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_l-dqPyD0w

Want diet advice for gut flora that does have a lot of research behind it? Eat whole food sources of carbs, not a bunch of saturated fat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNm5sE9GAFc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAkIk9EJ2T4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-JehSe4yZA

>>42089501
nuts, olive+ coconut oil, vegetables and legumes
about 15% or less meat ( maybe once every 2-3 days)
eggs and dairy

>>42089498
You are not thinking about the significance of fiber. If your fiber intake is great, which it should be on a high carb diet, then your blood sugar should be completely fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Wa_PkWbPg

>>42089521
well obviously I was thinking net carbs, fibre is mostly ignored as long as you get enough. I dont count fibre in my intake of carbs

>>42089506
most of the things I cited as reason are things I have found a sturdy research body of.
and please stop linking the nutrition facts guy, he is extremely biased and cherry picks like mad.

>>42078060
too bad Australian money is worthless

>>42089539

>I have found a sturdy research body of

Share some with us

>stop linking the nutrition facts guy

Stop ignoring the research

>>42089521
Your fiber should be high on a keto diet too retard

See
>>42085589

>>42089547
I never claimed otherwise.

>>42089546
That's not research just a vegan cultist spouting every mildly favorable research paper he can find while completely ignoring every opposing point of view. I try to be as open minded as possible and stuff like that wont help.
I know I probably wont change your point of view about keto but at least research intermitent fasting. It doesnt require you change your diet at all and will still bring huge benefits to overall longevity and just energy/concentration in general.
You can watch this if you are interested
https://youtu.be/2hR9sD9eX-A

>>42089539
How is Dr. Greger biased? He references studies and provides all the information in every video.

>>42077446
why is american bacon 90% gristle?

>>42089571

You think the nutritionfacts guy is biased and cherrypicking and then link David Perlmutter? I knew you had read Grain Brain when you brought up dementia. What do you say to the dementia video I posted, which refutes Grain Brain? The videos I linked are basically screencaps of studies with key messages highlighted and read out loud. What you're linking is a guy discussing things with no visible research to verify what he's saying. If that's what convinced you that keto was good and carbs are bad, no shit it won't change my point of view.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/06/problem-with-the-grain-brain-doctor.html

>>42089578
what is cherrypicking. he is doing the exact same thing the guy with the china study is doing

>>42089585

Yes, what IS cherrypicking? You seem to think that presenting evidence in order to make a point is cherrypicking if it's not a point you want to agree with

>>42089582
I havent read grain brain
https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/news/article/171/biological_link_between_high_blood_sugar_and_alzheimer_s_disease_identified

>>42089631

I assumed you had since the guy you linked wrote that book and it's a major claim of his

Also I know high blood sugar is bad for a number of reasons. A high carb diet does not necessarily mean blood sugar. Again, don't equate junk food to whole food sources of carbs. That's just being dishonest.

>>42089644

*does not necessarily mean high blood sugar

>>42077446
>cutting from 213,
>down to now 182 over 6 months
>started on 3100 kcal,
>metabolic adaptation, stopped losing weight at 2050 kcals (200p, 50f, 200c) and 30 mins of cardio a day.
> now gone down to 1500 for last 10 days of cut (190p, 65f, 70c)
> mood is huge, angry very easily, tired a lot, mental focus down
> Strength on cut has gone up tho? even tho i wasnt fat at 213 ~ 18%

>>42087312
That's literally how it works. You gain muscle on roids doing nothing. Obviously not ripped levels, but still works regardless.

I'm on day 2, pretty hyped. I saw some chips and almost grabbed them, stopped myself when I thought of carbs.
Great way to avoid bad foods. I'm already down 100lbs without keto, but I figured it'd be fun to try something new for my last 30lbs.

>>42079254
i am unhealthy as fuck one month away from 26 and my blood is fine

>>42092482
it's not fine, it's running through a gay man