We discuss the benefits of Bench vs. OHP. Personally I think

>>42007479
>Bench
pecs
>OHP
front delts

that's it

There are so many ways to hit shoulders I just don't see OHP as being special. It's barely better than bench press for front delts and garbage for the rest of the shoulder musculature. Vertical pulls hit traps much harder. Some people think you need to train your body in every plane of motion I guess so there's a reason to do them.

if you only want aesthetics you don't need any of those. start using dumbells more like the faggot you are.

>>42008031
ohp has free shoulderblade movement, which makes it a better exercise than bench for front delts.

>>42008060
dumbells and cables*

>>42007479
>Also how do you meet girls?
>I'm 19 I can't go to bars
Get a fake ID and go to college bars if there are any in your vicinity.
If that's not possible join some kind of club or activity group. Generally just be more social and outgoing and at some point you will meet someone.
Easiest way to meet a girl is through a common friend (for example at a friends birthday party)

>We discuss the benefits of Bench vs. OHP
They train different muscle groups, do both.

>>42008031
Yeah but ohp is fun as fuck and looks sick when you're holding weight over your head

>>42008098
so do dips and band push ups which i'd both do over ohp

>>42008161
those are both good, but they don't include scapular upward rotation, which is important for a healthy shoulder, long-term.

>>42008171
pull ups.

>>42008398
pull-ups train scapular downward rotation...

>>42008412
that's nonsense dude. doing pullups alone will give you healthy shoulders.

>>42008016
bench: chest, triceps, front delts (less)
ohp: chest (negligibly), triceps (moderately), front delts
>>42007479
you personally don't know what the fuck you're talking about
>>42008031
this

OHP is fun as fuck and looks great but it's nothing special for shoulder development, all presses vertical or not (although delt involvement goes up with angle of inclination) involve the front delts, to the point that if you train bench press and close grip bench press with enough volume and frequency your front delts will already be trained more than adequately (besides, when is the last time you saw a physique with noticeably lagging front delts? never)

that leaves side and rear delts, both of which are much better trained with raises - even doing overhead work with dumbbells and a higher degree of flare (which activates a lot more side delts) is going to be vastly inferior to just doing side laterals of some type

>>42008450
t. no clue

>>42008480
ohp is a shit triceps builder.
wouldn't even call it moderate.
dips are better for triceps.

>>42008526
scapula upward rotation can be strengthened by strengthening your traps and serratus anterior. guess what strengthens those retard? vertical pulls and benching. if you wanna do ohp have fun but don't act like it's necessary.

>>42008526
yeah, moderately was generous on my part

it's too front delt limited to be a decent tricep builder

>>42008542
ohp has greater ser ant activation than pullups or benching.
benching in particular sucks because you're keeping the shoulder blades in an unnatural static position the whole time.
high volume ohp makes my serratus pretty sore.
guess where i feel soreness after doing a bunch of pullups? (hint: it's not my serratus)

also, are you seriously trying to equate training scapular upward rotation with downward rotation just because partly the same muscles are involved?

maybe stop making contrived excuses not to do a fundamental human movement?

>>42008605
yep, exactly.

>>42008610
>ohp has greater ser ant activation than pullups or benching
greater meaning jack shit. it's a poor exercise for serratus. and it's a poor exercise for traps. it's straight trash for scrapular upward rotation. quit acting like this is some kind of reason to ohp. it's not. you do ohp for front delts. the most worthless reason for an exercise to possibly exist when all pushing exercise already abuse the fuck out of them.
>guess where i feel soreness after doing a bunch of pullups? (hint: it's not my serratus)
i sure as hell hope you don't feel it in your serratus or you're weak ass bitch.
>also, are you seriously trying to equate training scapular upward rotation with downward rotation just because partly the same muscles are involved
wow you're fucking retarded and way to miss the entire point.
>maybe stop making contrived excuses not to do a fundamental human movement
there's nothing fundamental about it. it trains a set of muscles groups all of which can be trained better by different exercises. it's not necessary nor fundamental. if you have fun doing it go ahead but stop trying to act like it's some essential movement you dumbfuck.

>>42010179
feel the same way about deadlifts

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>overhead press

>>42007479
You should be doing both.

Also, meet girls in church.

>>42010221
If your routine includes posterior chain, back and traps lifts besides deadlifts then you don't have to deadlift but deadlift is top tier.