Okay, I don't understand. I'm 66 kg, 180 cm and a beginner

it all depends on one question: are you fat?

>180cm
>66kg
You have nothing to lose skelly-kun. Clean bulk and lift a lot

>>41913402
also: do you shower in the gym?

>>41913402
I wouldn't say that im FAT, but I'm like 20% chubby.
>>41913409
Thanks for the advice my dude
>>41913416
Nope

And also I have like NO muscle. But I have no idea if that changes anything

>>41913394
follow progression program
eat at maintenance when u cant progress anymore then clean bulk

Foto so we can fucking help you

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>>41913468

>>41913502
God fucking dammit why is it so huge and in 90 degrees (im op btw)

>>41913502
Cut the fat, then slow bulk

>>41913502
You don't have much to cut, just do a slow bulk on 300-400 kcal. Focus primarily on your protein intake and lifting. Also do some cardio.

cut with -2kg/month then bulk with +0.5kg/month

>>41913523
>>41913559
>>41913570
Damn, so many different answers. Who do I trust though.

>>41913394
fucking start eating clean for the rest of the summer so you dont look like a fat idiot at the pool , as soon as fall hits start eating and lifting big dont be a pussy rinse and repeat

>>41913394
So you are 5 10 135 lbs

And you have the nerve to ask if you should cut

Ffs , go fuck yourself

Who the hell is making thread like these?

>>41913594
I'm mostly trying to gain muscle in summer and then try to keep going until I'm satisfied (probably for 2-4 years)

>>41913603
I'm a complete fuckin newbie I don't even know if that was sarcasm. Should i cut or should I bulk then?

>>41913592
Try whichever suggestion you think would work best for you. Stick with it for 3-4 months, change it up if you don't like how it's going

>>41913502
you're not fat you just have no muscle "tone". I'm at 1,80 80kg and I'm not far from where you at and I have big legs and ass so Idk how you're 14 kg lighter than me other than no muscle mass, are your legs skinny?
If Imight give you some advice, cut all carbs for ONE week(inb4 keto). Eat lettuce and other leafy greens but no sugars or starches even from fruit. I'm curios to see how much water weight you hold,and a good way to find out is to do as instructed for a week. Alternatively you can go 3day low one day high carb and repeat x2 or 3 times. Then you can see how you stand fat wise.

>>41913668
My legs and ass are huge in fact. Is there any faster way to know if I should just cut or bulk? I'm trying to gain mass as soon as I can and I'm just not sure if I would look like king hippo or a normal healthy guy.

>>41913394
Bulk obviously. Go up to 75kg at least.

>>41913683
Big ass? Do you sit a lot and never excise your hips?

>>41913696
Yep. Pretty much.

>>41913621
Im 5 11 165lbs

When i was 145lbs, some family members thought i was sick or something


You need to bulk, but weight gainers and take them after workout, eat 3500 calories a day and workout hard

>>41913668
Oh and yeah you are extremely right about the muscle tone thing. My biceps and triceps feel like mushy meat so yeah.

>>41913502
Are you sure you're 180cm and 66kg?
I'm 180cm and 75kg and way leaner than you.

Damn guys. I really didn't think /fit/ would be so friendly and helpful. Thanks so much to everyone who helped me.
Also.
>>41913722
Yep, I measured myself like 10 times. The weight hover in about 66-69 kg. Nothing more, nothing less

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>>41913704
Check that thick ass

>>41913750
I'm a Forward Head for sure

>>41913755
You can have both, anterior pelvic tilt is very common condition to people who sit alot and have weak core/hip muscles

>>41913770
I am 100% sure I don't have that but 60% sure that I have the Forward Head. Only 60% because now that I think about it, I only have it when I forget about keeping a good posture

>>41913394
Why do people over think this? Lift and maintain for 3 months. That should provide a solid foundation. Then you should know what to do.

>>41913708
Woah 3500 calories? Ain't that a little bit too much? i calculated the calories for myself and I got about 2385 calories

>>41913781
Stand straight and take pictures from the side and front. We can tell more things than one specialist doctor would tell you

>>41913805
I dunno man, I'm preeeeetty insecure and really don't like taking pictures. But now that I look at myself in the mirror im 99% sure I have Good Posture

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>>41913683
please be in london

>>41913826
Actually I'm from Poland :O
>inb4 cleaning toilets

>>41913817
Wait you want to be fit or not? Eat more, create bodybuilding forum account, Instagram and get used to taking pictures. You can follow your progress this way. I don't do that though. Whatever you want. If you have some conditions what you're not aware of you'll find it later in your life then by yourself

>>41913857
That's actually why I want to be fit. To get over my insecurities. I was thinking about doing photos but I'll need to think about it a little bit more

I think I'll just start bulking and see where it takes me, then maybe change some things up if something's wrong. Thanks everyone for helping me out again.

>>41913842
I'll clean your poop shoot with my cock if you catch my drift my lovely hipboy

>>41913953
What. I mean... that was a little bit sudden.

>>41913882
What kind of insecurities? Do you have symptoms of low testosterone? I'll be checking my testo levels soon as I don't progress much and fat builds on stomach more than I would want (diet is important as well) but I'm poor shit neighbor and can't remove carbs from my diet

>>41913969
Say yes and I'll give a permanent weight loss injection my man

>>41913987
Nah thanks. I'd rather go the hard way. Better feel of accomplishment you know?
>>41913972
No, not really. Actually I would say I have very high testosterone. I just don't like looking at my face and body.

>>41914014
High testo? Where are your muscles and low bf% then? Go exercise you'll monster with high testo. Did you start losing your hair yet?

>>41914022
I'm 18 and my hair is almost entirely grey

>>41914053
That has nothing to do with it. Why you assume you have high testo? In my instance it's late puberty that hadn't regulated normal hormonal balance, I guess

>>41914080
You're probably right actually. I'm pretty delusional about my testosterone.

>>41913426
>I wouldn't say that im FAT, but I'm like 20% chubby.
So you're "chubby" at 66kg but you're 5'11? you are lying about your weight or your height, which one is it big boy ?

>>41914099
Make up your mind

>>41914122
I fugin sweat I'm not lying about any of them. I'm sure I'm 180 but maybe my scale is broken and not showing the correct value.
>>41914126
I don't have high testosterone. There ya go

>>41914161
Swear*

>>41913394

dont cut for atleast 5 fucking years, their is just nothing to cut towards.

Just lean bulk,
If you'd cut youd just look flat/fat anyways same as now.

>>41914199
I don't know why but I really liked your advice. I'll stick with it and see how it goes. Thanks my dude.

>>41914173
Either count your macros and colories (to be in surplus) or eat all shit you can. Bulk bulk

Okay last question.
Does anyone have a good TDEE calculator? One shows me 2100 calories and one shows me 3200 and I don't know what the hell is happening

>>41914404
Myfitnesspal app works breddy gud for me