Why is /fit/ not vegan yet knowing high meat based diets cause

Have a more reliable source for that than a netflix documentary?

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>>41886112
>The Health Film That Health Organizations Don't Want You To See

Very convincing. Be sure to watch some chemtrail, flat earth, 9/11 truther, gangstalking and planet x documentaries too for the full redpill

Why is there such an annoying push for veganism on /fit/ lately? Is it one jobless autist doing this, or what's the deal?

>>41886227
Its the new nofap. A bunch of autistic betas who haven't made it are trying to find some extra, arbitrary way to "better themselves", just so they feel like they are doing something beneficial even though it doesn't work.
also sage in all fields

>from the makers of cowspiracy

https://www.quora.com/How-accurate-is-the-movie-Cowspiracy

The basis of veganism is kindness, not terror. Telling people they can't eat animals and be healthy is a manipulative lie. Once converts realize they've been lied to, they leave. Deceit is not a foundation. Compassion is a foundation.

>>41886112
meat causes diabetes now? lol

>>41886227
It's one faggot that does this shit I think, he's yet to post a picture of his "healthy body with gains while vegan".

>>41886267
I eat meat because I hate animals

>>41886292
you can have a healthy / shredded body while vegan, but I don't know how realistic it is to maintain that type of diet in colder climates, where winter produce arrives barely edible.

>>41886312

What?

Because being vegan is a meme,
Not everyone wants to follow the lifestyle/diet but it keeps getting pushed, how about just enjoying it yourself & realising that the animals won't be lining up to wank you off if, by any microscopic chance, you manage to personally rescue them from their fate.
I will say this however, support local butchers. try to buy local well raised produce.
And have a nice day

>>41886112
because i want to die

>>41886424

>not everyone wants to be a good person

>>41886264
Wait, the GHG thing is bullshit?

That's extremely relieving and I want to rub that in people's faces.

>>41886131
>>41886204
You can double check their own sources and decide for yourself. Take the red pill and read into it, or take the blue pill and bury your head in the sand
>>41886227
I frequent these threads a lot but only created a vegan thread once. From the way of posting and replying, I'd say there are at the very least 5 different vegans on /fit/
>>41886247
>Yes good goy, never improve! Buy our new pound of bacon family pack for just 2.99 shekels!
>>41886264
What the health is seperate from cowspiracy. Again, you can double check their sources yourself, or not. I'm not your boss.
>>41886267
The basis of veganism is indeed compassion and a specific moral baseline, but its environmental benefits and potential health benefits are strong motivators too. When I first started thinking about converting, I kept telling myself that I don't care about the animals' and only want to do it because of the food waste going up from producers (plants) to consumers (cows) on the food pyramid, as well as the other environmental benefits of veganism like GHG emissions reduction, water footprint per calorie reduction etc. Ethics later clicked, and while it is indeed a more solid foundation to go vegan, it was not what initially drew me.
You also said
>Lies, deceit
What are you referring to?
>>41886274
Yes. Sugar is bad for you, nobody denies that, but the main cause of diabetes is genetic predisposition coupled with decrease in insulin sensitivity of cells from eating unhealthy fats.
>>41886299
Epic broo :---D
>>41886312
Pretty sure it's doable, there should be frozen fruits and veggies everywhere, right?
>>41886424
>how about just enjoying it yourself & realising that the animals won't be lining up to wank you off
It's not really a good deed if you expect to gain back, even if it's something as revolting as a blowjob from a cow
I just like knowing I didn't turn someone's brother or mother to poop

Why would I sabotage my health like that?

>>41886312
>you can have a healthy / shredded body while vegan
Of course you can, if you use the right supplements. A little of the ol testosterona and trenbolona work wonders.

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>>41886732
>something as revolting as a blowjob from a cow
>revolting
Really?

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>>41886732

>anthropomorphising animals

>>41886732
The main cause of diabetes is being fat from overeating and not exercising. You seemed to have taken a wrong turn and wound up on /fit/ instead of tumblr my man. Be careful out there next time.

>>41886544
Then go about your business friend,
You're not enlightened for your moralistic code of ethics.
If it works for you so be it.
but for a lot of people it doesn't & it's nice not to have it constantly referred to.
Of the 4-5 vegans I know, dated, live with & socialise with, only one doesn't keep harping on about it.
This doesn't inspire people it deters them.

>>41886619
By that basis "being a good person"
Is now solely based on someone being vegan.
Everyone else is by a good person.
"Hey mr missionary you spend your life following a code of ethics trying to better people's lives at a sacrifice to you personally, but you like bacon so you're actually not a good person."

>goodjob.jpg

>>41886112
The same reason strong vegan diets are also bad for you. A balanced diet is the answer, going for too much meat or solely veg is bad for you.

what the fuck is up with all this vegan propaganda on /fit/ lately. shut up faggots. you're not helping animals by removing yourself from the equation. no one cares how vegan you are. there's still going to be plenty of meat to choose from at the market tomorrow. fuck off with your mental issues.

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>>41887009

>hey mr. gacy you spent your life entertaining children and doing fundraisers for charity but you also liked to rape and kill people so you're sooooooo "bad"

>>41886227

Because qt's are becoming aware that eating meat is the tool of the patriarchy, and fighting against it means being a vegan.

And then you've got thirsty betas that have to become vegan to get such girls.

all these years fit told me to get protien from meat.

>>41887023
>solely veg is bad for you
You're right, you also need fruit and grains.

>>41887070

and a b12 supplement

>>41887060
>have decent tinder game
>match with an ultra feminist vegan
>dont believe in either memes but bullshit my way through it
>carefully have to work my way through conversation and have to eat vegan shit around her

It's pure annoyance but that pussy is good enough that it balances out.

>>41886732
>Yes. Sugar is bad for you, nobody denies that, but the main cause of diabetes is genetic predisposition coupled with decrease in insulin sensitivity of cells from eating unhealthy fats.

False read the fucking study provided by "what the health"
>Taken together, our results support the hypothesis that insulin resistance in these young people is due to dysregulation of intramyocellular fatty acid metabolism, which may be caused by an INHERITED DEFECT in mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation

>>41887056
a fine example.
He was an arsehole, but I suppose he ate meat too so that must have been a contributing factor ;)
The point still stands that veganism alone doesn't dictate someone's morality.
Point taken my first example could have been better I'll happily concede that.

Vegetarian here. Just sat down and ate a bowl of delicious boiled eggs. Meaties BTFO.

>>41887076
Yes which is still cheaper than the meat eating alternative.

>>41887095

price is no concern to me, i'm a meat eating alpha so i can afford an optimal, meat-inclusive diet

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>>41887095
>being poor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni5zFqDrY1k

>tfw a long time ago i used to cook an all meat meal every time he made a youtube video and i would leave a comment telling him i was doing so for every video

>>41887122
TopKek

Good for you anon, pure jimmy rustling

I have meat only two or 3 times per week and I think it's pretty great for my health.

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>>41887085

>The point still stands that veganism alone doesn't dictate someone's morality.

True, but it's still a good thing that shows empathy for others. Most people are raised eating meat and never think twice about it and you can understand that and cut them some slack for not being vegan, but once you're made fully aware of what's going on and you don't seriously reconsider what you're doing, it's pretty hard to call yourself a good person.

You know how when someone identifies as an animal lover so far as they own a dog and would try to help a sick or injured animal, and we think "what a nice person" and when we see someone abuse an animal like a dog or a cat, we think "what a piece of shit." Vegans are the first guy, you're the second guy, except there's so many second guys that instead of saying "what a nice person" when someone is vegan, you go "what a self-righteous douche. You know what, I'm going to abuse THREE animals for every animal they don't abuse! Morality is subjective anyway, who are YOU to tell ME" and so on and so forth.

>>41887180
>it's pretty hard to call yourself a good person.

lol nah its really easy actually

>>41887159
well ur probably young so you might think ur healthy now but wait tillo you hit your 40's.

>>41887188
What makes you think that? Aging gracefully is one of the top reasons I stay fit.

>>41887183

Well, to convince yourself atleast. And before you say "lol i know im a good person who cares wat u tink" this >>41886424 and this >>41887050 are not the posts of someone who is at peace with their actions.

>>41887188

this guy is right, imagine how many gains you will have from 40 years of meat

>>41887180
Kek get a load of this faggot. There's a difference between abusing an animal and killing an animal dipshit.

Hunting and eating an animal, that's fine.
Shooting an animal and making it suffer, not fine.

>>41887215

I just ate some meat from the local butcher, probably drove past the cow every day on the way to work, feels good man.

>>41887180
>>41887215
When I was 9 or 10 I went on a school trip to a slaughterhouse, got to see some shit like a room of blood etc and then we got to eat meat at the end. Some things are food for other things, that's the circle of life. I believe animals shouldn't be abused and mistreated of course but I'll still eat them if they're killed humanely.

>>41887078
>not fucking her while eating meat in front of her
You will never be chad.

>>41887254
She's already riding my meat stick so who gives a fuck. I also eat meat before I see her and she somehow never smells it on my breath.

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>>41887223

>There's a difference between abusing an animal and killing an animal dipshit.

Sounds like cognitive dissonance

>>41887180
Firstly I'd say keeping animals as pets isn't a good move anyway. That would then lead to saying abusing a dog & slaughtering a cow for food are completely different. More than the meat is utilised upon slaughter too so wastage isn't an issue.
Saving a few animals doesn't mean you have any moral high ground but that's just my opinion. I'll defend your right to express your views to the ground, but it's bases is solely personal, you can't expect everyone to adhere to your codes.
Does it mean other people are bad?
Does it mean they are uneducated?
Or simply are they just trying to survive & live a semi decent life without people blasting shit in their face all the time.
Who knows.
Sorry for late reply supposed to be working.

>>41886732
>durr what is the burden of proof?? You're stupid if you don't do my research for me!
Kill yourself fag

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>>41887342
>he thinks injury and death are the same thing

>>41887342
are all vegans as retarded as you?

>>41887353

>abusing a dog & slaughtering a cow for food

It's not just "slaughtering it for food" though is it? You have many other options for things to eat. Having a cow slaughtered because you're hungry and don't want to eat something else is like beating a dog because you're bored and don't feel like doing something else. You're not in a position where you need to do it, so when your stomach grumbles and you think "can of black beans? that won't do for my specific tastes at this moment. slit that cow's throat" it's not justifiable.

>>41887365

>I didn't hurt them, officer, I KILLED them. It's not the same thing. It's totally fine.
>Well, I guess you're free to go. No harm in killing someone.

>>41887407
Why eat black beans when you can just eat rice? Eat the same exact thing for every meal of ever day. Go ahead, tell me you eat the same exact thing for every meal.

>>41887417

What?

>>41887407
Again I'll point out that animals are not killed solely for their meat.
Please don't ignore that fact.
Are you suggesting that if someone is hungry they simply order a cow/sheep/pig to be killed. Made into one meal then discarded?

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Regular tears are salty yet vegan tears are so sweet. Why is that?

>>41887060
>projecting this hard

alpha male detected

>>41887425

So you agree with me there, cool. As for using its skin and bones and things as byproducts, what does that have to do with anything?

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who else /medium rare/ here?

>>41887444
>"As for using its skin and bones and things as byproducts, what does that have to do with anything?"
>dat cognitive dissonance

>>41887444
Where is the agreement part please?
Also nice trips

>>41887437

Muh tendies tho

>>41887359
I don't have to convince you. Take the blue pill, who gives a shit
>>41887228
>>41887183
>I will close my eyes and ears and pretend everything is fine. My daily life isn't affected after all. This makes me alpha Chad McThundercock
>>41887136
>>41887122
>Haha lol bacon amirite vegan fags btfo
How is elementary school?
>>41887064
/fit/ also tells you that GOMAD is a good bulking diet and keto us a good cutting diet. You don't believe everything /fit/ says, do you?
>Cue butthurt triggered fatties sharing their personal anecdotes on how amazingly effective keto was
CICO/IIFYM. Fuck outta here

>>41887461
>I will close my eyes and ears and pretend everything is fine. My daily life isn't affected after all.
Daily life literally hasn't been affected, what are you talking about?

I eat meat because I'm on the top of the food chain, you bottom herbivores

>>41887461
Nice projection there lad.
Humour is dead to you isn't it.

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>>41887461
you're so #woke bro, you've opened muh eyes and muh heart. save da animals.

>>41887466
>I can't into reading comprehension

>>41887451

I don't know what that point was supposed to be. We raise cows for meat and make use of the non-meat parts because we have so much of it. Are we pretending we need to slaughter cows for other reasons now?

>>41887452

I took you dropping the "killing for food" argument and moving onto the "we don't waste the cow" thing as you agreeing with me.

>>41887461
>>I will close my eyes and ears and pretend everything is fine. My daily life isn't affected after all.

>went to slaughterhouse as a kid and got to eat some meat of cows killed at the slaughterhouse
>dont care
>still eat meat today and know full well where it comes from and how

Continue on your mission though but being a self righteous asswipe doesn't help your cause at all.

>>41886732
i agree man, thanks for taking the time replying to these idiots because without you i was gonna have to. lets go back to our vegan thread

>>41887488
Nothing was dropped friend, just reinforcing the other side of killing for food, sorry if that came across differently.
I can see that we'll both be at this for a while. Is it weird to say that it's enjoyable?

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>>41887056
>liking bacon = rape and murder
gotcha there fampai

>>41887499

>I don't close my eyes, I just DON'T CARE I'm such a fucking BADASS holy shit.
>You fucking vegancucks on your high horses will never be as COOL as ME

>>41887509

I'm about done for the night actually, but I do want to know what you think of why I don't accept "I'm slaughtering it for food" as a valid justification

>>41887522
You care about the homeless and disadvantaged right? I don't see you putting them up for a place to live in your house. What's wrong with you? how dare you not care about the homeless and let them live in your house.

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>>41887517

>bacon just spawns out of nowhere onto the grocery store shelf, all I'm doing is eating food, what's the big deal

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>>41887539

>>41887553

Good job, you narrowly avoided having to think about something and be intellectually honest

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>>41887539
But the bacon is so happy.

>>41887537

>I-I don't see you helping homeless people, y-you're such a hypocrite muh dude, even though I am the same I feel like virtue signal around vegans because I have no argument against the mass slaughter of sentient beings that feel fear, pain and sorrow.
>Be like me, a person who doesn't give a fuck about the homeless but also doesn't give a fuck about animals

>>41887539
I know where it comes from, I don't care.

>>41887529
My opinion of it?
Without knowing you and only conversing through this I'd say, not wanting to assume, it's a morality thing, you find it unnecessary so seek to try and alter other people's lives with your personal accounts. Maybe you think you're saving the planet or people's health. I don't know mate.
What I will say is you're obviously dedicated & hope that you're happy in those aspects of your life.
I'm not here to judge just get an understanding.
Have a good night

>>41887571
You are a hypocrite though my dude. We're both imperfect and have flaws. You're just more holier than thou than I am.

>>41887571
>dodging the question
nice work. he doenst care about meat, you dont care about disadvantaged people so you're both about the same.

>>41887571
Why aren't you helping the homeless and letting them live with you?

>>41886264
>quora.com

>>41886732
>The basis of veganism is indeed compassion and a specific moral baseline

Rather a feel-good self-righteous arrogance and to look at scorn upon those non-vegans.

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>>41887539
>I refuse to acknowledge that killing an animal for food and torturing and murdering another human being are 2 different things because otherwise I'm a HORRIBLE PERSON, and everyone else should think the same too
Jesus, I've known some vegans in my life but when it comes to pure autism you blow them all out of the water

>>41887589

>y-you're an hypocrite muh dude, that means I can have my tendies in peace because someone on the internet doesn't give shelter to homeless peeople, even though you wouldn't do the same for farm animals for obvious reasons like convenience, hygiene, sanity, lack of space and privacy, etc.
>Yeah sure adopting a vegan diet is easy and convenient and only requires buying different things at the grocery store but if you cannot give shelter to homeless people who are most likely drug addicts/alcoholics and/or full of disease and probably untrustworthy then I might as well eat my tendies in peace
>See, even though I don't give a fuck about animals or the homeless I am still just as moral as you, a fucking vegancuck who doesn't want to support the slaughter of sentient beings but also happens to not shelter the homeless.

>>41887626

Aww, what's the matter?
Triggered? Poor little baby.

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>>41887631

is killing a human for food okay?

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>>41887633
>"homeless people who are most likely drug addicts/alcoholics and/or full of disease and probably untrustworthy"
>all this stereotyping and profiling

you're such a fucking bigot

>>41887633
>I-I do one morally g-good thing so thats all I have to do in the world, fuck everything else
>m-maybe one day i w-won't stutter when i t-type

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>>41887633
>>41887678
>text stutter

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lmao who gives a shit about vegans

>>41887626
lol u mad autismo? i swear meat eaters have 10 point lower iq on avergae compared to vegans

>>41887688
Nobody. Not even the animals they give a shit about give a shit about them.

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>less than 10 minutes in some quack is saying you literally cannot get fat on carbs
a lel a day keeps the vegans away

>>41887652
>I know, I'll just point out the "for food" part and hope to misdirect him about the original animal vs human dicothomy
You're a fucking joke

>>41886204
>gangstalking
This one is stupid. Private, public and religious surveillance does exist. The thing is that most people who claim it is happening to them are simply mentally unwell.

>>41887655
>pig eats farmer
>he's a good pig, dinnu nuffin
Memes aside I don't think most vegans have had contact with undomesticated animals very much.
I'm friends with some vegans and they are chill about it, but some of the ones I've met/seen online are crazy.

I'm all about reducing meat intake, it's better for the environment and probably better for you to eat more veggies anyway.
Domesticated pets are bred in a way that make people feel good, they are easy to project your emotions onto and they are very "social" with humans.

I want chickens and fish to not be abused but if both barely even have a brain, fish can't feel pain and birds have very undeveloped brains as well.
I'm all for someone wanting to save a cow bro or something, I eat a steak every few months because it's damn good.
Can't wrap my head around someone thinking killing an animal that is so undeveloped equates to killing a person.

Fish are cool but I don't think it's much worse killing them than plants.
It's immature to say "I eat x meat because fuck vegans" but it's insane to think everyone else is immoral when vegan because morality is a human concept created by society.
Society by and large thinks that the killing of a baby is bad but if some autist thinks it's okay to do if it saves a few animals then they are the immoral ones.

>>41887719
Didn't Hunter S. Thompson go crazy thinking the FBI (IIRC) were tracking them, only for it to come out years later that they were due to communism?

>>41887719
That woman on YouTube who thought the post office was gang stalking her was priceless. Somehow she missed the irony of going to the post office all the time and following them around while shouting that they are the stalkers.

>>41887537
Strawman, tu quoque, futility, nirvana fallacies. 4 in 1, better than your sisters hair shampoo. Anyway, veganism doesn't necessitate activism. All it requires is shopping for coconut bacon instead of corpse bacon and chickpeas instead of chicken thighs

Veganism is built on pseudo-science and fake-news. What annoys people is that when people take the time to debunk all the stupid claims made by vegans, they always default back to their "meat is murder" ethical argument. They can't just be honest and admit that they follow that diet for emotional reasons. Veganism is not healthy, not natural, not sustainable. It's a cult based on a middle-class urbanite detachment from the food cycle and basic human survival needs. No wonder so many of them are SJWs.

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fun fact in germany a trail is about to end were vegans once again killed their child

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>>41887847

>everything other animals do is acceptable for us to do
>I get my morals from watching crocodiles eat ducks

>>41887499
It's cute how the 4chan tone police only slither out from the brush when Veganism is the topic. Hey there, officer!

My father always told me that humans will never accept if they are wrong, because this is what it actually takes to grow up. Sadly this board is just like a typical high school football team, pretty stupid.

>>41888022
>t. euphoric vegan

>>41886112
I'm all for drastically reducing meat/dairy but I don't like how this study is set up, it's kinda obnoxious to be honest. Doesn't help that it features a lot of the "vegan forefront" doctors that are known for bias, cherrypicking and misinterpretations.

>>41888564
Think of it this way, I can easily claim (and with a bit of extra googling, prove) that the other doctors are paid off by dairy or egg industry lobbyists

>>41888564
Go whine about there being an antitobacco bias you silly bitch

>>41888609
I mean yeah that's true but the documentary itself argues that "doubt/confusion profits the meat industry". So why feature doctors who did the same on the other side? I mean Esselstyn, really?

>>41888628
Are you illiterate?

>>41888639
>Esselstyn
Has he done something wrong?
As for that other anon, he is rude but has a point. There is a "bias" in pro vegan studies and documentaries not unlike "bias" in anti smoking campaigns

>>41886112
Post body and lifts you insufferable little faggot.
>Inb4 no u
>Inb4 muscle is oppressive, patriarchal, and unhealthy

>>41886112
For every shitting thread I see shilling vegan shit I am going to shoot an extra kangaroo next time I go hunting and just leave its corpse to rot where it falls.

>>41886732
>Lies, deceit
>What are you referring to?

Meat and dairy, eaten in moderation, is good, nutritious food for humans. Saying otherwise is a lie. Hysterical propagandizing about heart attacks over a can of tuna or some gelatin is the deceit.

The right thing to do, and nobody said this would be easy, is convince people that animals deserve to be free. Lying is also exploitative.

>>41887091
>Bowl of boiled eggs

Did you eat all of them ?

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>>41887854
because nutrition is similar to animals, means we should behave like animals???

vegans sure are retarded

>>41886264
>quora

I'm crying from laughter. The top comment is literally someone who sells beef #notbias

>>41887060
this. girls are always weird about eating meat, so betas have subconsciously decided to do the same so they can seem more 'relatable' and maybe then grills will touch their weewees

it's one aspect of why being a male feminist is the new "nice guy"

I like meat. Life is about doing things you enjoy

>>41889809
>my biased propaganda sources are good
>your biased propaganda sources are bad

>>41886732
>i'm too unconfident about my intelligence to post and discuss evidence here myself, just take my gullible word for it
>oh and you're not redpilled like me because you don't rot your brain away examining every piece of random sensational bullshit that comes out

spoken like a true bluepill

>>41889849
Vegans are not selling you anything
>>41889879
Kek what a dedicated shitposter
I said "look into it yourself", not "take my word for it" you doublenigger

>>41886112
Why don't you mind your own business? It's not your responsibility to worry about other peoples diet you faggot.

>>41886112
>Why is /fit/ not vegan yet knowing high meat based diets cause diabetes ?
Because it's a load of bullshit
So are the claims about cancer
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ >http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/1zjlm/scienceanimal_protein_rich_diets_could_be_harmful/cfupxyt/?st=j403pmhn&sh=b3278c44
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>http://www.sciencemediacentre.co.nz/2014/03/05/dietary-protein-health-and-mortality-experts-respond/
>(cont.)

>>41890066
>(cont.)
So are the claims about CVD, and every other memed disease/condition
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health
>https://authoritynutrition.com/7-evidence-based-health-reasons-to-eat-meat/
>https:/http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291

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>>41889827
>mfw someone gets it

>>41889928
> Vegans are not selling you anything (besides cult like replacement religion)
> what is a substitution good.

if i need X food to live need to replace buying less product A with more product B.
if big beef shills against vegans then big Soy shills for them. both unlikely

>>41890066
>>41890075
There he is.

I see you actually droped the chaosandpain links, even a retard like you eventually realized how stupid it is. The rest is still there though so fuck off retard.

>>41890084
You don't need soy though. The VAST majority of pro vegan people just recommend more vegetables/fruits and maybe a few supplements they have no connection to.

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>>41889928
>Vegans are not selling you anything

Yeah, they are, and they're charging twice as much as the industries they're competing with.

>>41889928
The only shitposter here is you making a clickbait claim in the OP and then after getting questioned about it responding with a creationist tier distraction, basically admitting being unable to defend yourself. That kind of ignorance-arrogance combination is pure comedy gold.

>tfw went vegan
>Tfw didn't lose weight
>Tfw didn't lose strength
>Tfw have to eat more though but I like eating
>Tfw feel better
>Tfw not tired after eating
Being vegan is to meat eating as lifting is to sedentary plebs

We ARE on another LEVEL.

>>41890107
>The VAST majority of pro vegan people just recommend more vegetables/fruits

most vegans recommend some soy, tofu abomination replacement product, that tries to pass as a veggie burger meat replacement of fake cheese. or artificial beacon.

as they try to preach to you. but know they won't get you to eat a cubic feet of kale to meet your proton goal. an hope "normal" food will do the trick.

>>41890084
>if i need X food to live need to replace buying less product A with more product B.
>if big beef shills against vegans then big Soy shills for them
Not how it works. The overwhelming majority of soy goes as livestock feed. Soy companies have direct financial ties with animal agriculture.
Soy prefers you to eat 1 kcal of dairy milk, (because that requires 2-5kcal soy feed) rather than 1 kcal soy milk.
Similar with soy meats and cow meat.
>>41890130
>He posted that picture as possible incentive of some "vegan agenda" being pushed rather than just doctors and dieticians doing their part to contribute to betterment of society
Why is your life so sad? Nobody is chasing you, calm down

I want the Netflix viral marketing team to fuck off. Maybe if they focused on quality programming instead of pushing "literal faggot propaganda show #249" they would still be getting my money

>>41890066

I don't care if people are vegan because of "muh animul feelings" but them legitimately trying to say animal proteins and fat causes diabetes is one of the most insane things I've ever heard.

>>41890171
post body.

Lets seem dem gains

>>41886112
I'd it word I kinda want to get the beatus?

I could pin slin for all the gains. I'm to much of a pussy to run it now.

>>41890091
>I see you actually dropped the chaosandpain links, even a retard like you eventually realized how stupid it is.
No they just weren't particularly relevant, but since they make you so assblasted
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html?m=1
>The rest is still there though so fuck off retard.
No, stay mad

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>>41886112
Vegans are so retarded that they think a vegetable based diet is healthier than the average american diet because of the lack of meat and not the fact that they are getting more vegetables than most Americans.

>>41890385
Name a single nutrient you can get from a healthy diet that includes meat but not from a diet with only plants

>>41890385
Almost too good a bait.

>>41890455
>make point x
>Oh yeah well I bet you can't make completely unrelated point y because I have no counter to point x

I think the lack of vitamin b12 is starting to have an effect on your mental faculties anon

>>41886112
Post body

Daily reminder: zero vegans from these threads have posted a cbt.

>>41890221
>The overwhelming majority of soy goes as livestock feed
>this FUCKING meme again

The soy is grown for oil and human industry. The waste is livestock feed.

>>41892221
>The soy is grown for oil and human industry. The waste is livestock feed.
What evidence do you have that makes you believe this?

>>41892284
>http://ncsoy.org/media-resources/uses-of-soybeans/

Now, you could have just used common sense here, and realized that it's dumb to flush any material down the gullets of animals BEFORE it's had its value wrung out as completely as possible. But have a source anyway.

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>>41892367
>vegans are literally eating chicken feed