How much volume is too much? All the programs out their are

>>41874798
Are you natty? Strength routine 3 days/week and cardio 3 days/week

Are you roiding? PPL or some other high volume brosplit

The reason for this is that, as a natty, you have a harder time recovering from any strain on muscles. Doing PPL or having like an entire day for chest just fatigues your muscles and makes it take even longer to recover. Steroids make it a different story.

As a natty you'd be best off doing something like SS (with chin-ups and dips) at least to start with, then progress to Texas or a fullbody routine. You don't want to do many accessories because, quite simply, they won't do anything. Have a decent (compound) lift for each major muscle group and do it once or twice a week, resting the rest of the time.

>>41874888
>>41874798
Also read the sticky

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>>41874894
Sticky has no bodybuilding info though desu

>>41874894
I wish people would stop saying "read the sticky" when the sticky doesn't even contain anything more than the basic info. The link in the sticky doesn't even fucking work at the moment anyway.

>>41874888
Basically this. Personally I found ICF to be ideal. Basic strength building program with accessories thrown in for some extra volume.

Currently on a 6 day PPL, though I am on gear.

Depends on the individual and the intensity they are putting in.

That's a lot of volume. I'd say probably overkill. You would likely be better reducing the number of exercises down and really pushing yourself in afew excercise rather than having to conserve energy to get a bunch of extra work.

How long do your workouts last?

>>41874888
>Doing PPL or having like an entire day for chest just fatigues your muscles and makes it take even longer to recover.
Dumbest thing I've read today, and it's 4am. At most your body part needs 2 days to recover from the workout you put it through.

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>>41874894
Sticky written by a failed East German PI who himself looks like a stick....

>>41874988
between 1.30 and 2 hours. I some times feel wiped out after though, like I feel asleep for half and hour yesterday after my back workout.

>>41875021
I know this thats why I insist on doing PPL, but surely its harder for the body to recover from high volume?

>>41875021
Thats only 4 hours though

>>41874888
Only if shit genetics. I'm natty and doing PPL on cut. Lifts and recovery are going great and I'm actually making gains even tho I'm at 1900kcal a day.

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>>41874798
Read about MEV/MRV and Mike Israetel shit.