Is there any truth to what vegans, et al., are selling? i.e.

>>41690048
Just tell him to go look at all the kids who die in childbirth to vegan mothers

>>41690048
Gluten and grains being bad is not a part of veganism

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>>41690048

>>41690048
>Is there any truth to what vegans, et al., are selling?
1) no vegan is "selling" you anything. Meat, eggs and dairy as well as fast food are subsidized. If anything, the meat Jew has been lying in your face the whole time
2) it is undeniable that dietary saturated fat and cholesterol raises blood cholesterol, which causes ischemic heart disease, stroke and type 2 diabetes.
It is undeniable that animal agriculture is responsible for 18% of all GHG emissions
I won't go into ethics and animal welfare, or whether humans "should" eat meat/if it is "natural" because it triggers anons who think /fit/ is their safe space
>i.e. that gluten, grains, dairy, and meat are evil and harmful.
Gluten is only harmful if you are allergic or have celiac
Grains are what fed 95% of humans for 95% of our history as homo sapiens
>The fuck is wrong with them?
The red pill is tough to swallow
>A friend of mine became vegan and is trying to get me to do it...
That's awesome
>I don't want to cause a confrontation by pointing out that all of his reasons, and all of his sources of information, are nothing more than feelgood anecdotes and logical fallacies.
Try to find anecdotes or fallacies in what I said
>What do?
Have you done research? Have you tried vegan products?
Go vegan

>>41690048
I've been vegan for spiritual reasons for four years and I feel good, love the food I eat, and am always getting stronger. If it starts to negatively affect my health I'll eat animal products again. That's all that's to it for most of us.

Unfortunately the diet attracts a lot of emotionally unstable types. If someone is extremely outspoken about being vegan, ignore everything they say, there's a culty feminismy side to it.

>>41690048
hey i started eating vegan like a month ago. since then i lost about 5kgs.
im still over weight and im going to lose more but before going vegan i hit a brick wall at losing weight

Vegans cannot get sufficient omega three and six from their diet. They need to guzzle flaxseed and other legumes and seeds all day to get the equivalent that you get from fish and it is not easily converted by the body. Likely a link to depression for this reason.
Also proven than you cannot get complete proteins without animal products.
Vegetarians cite studies that link red meat to cancer but this is drastically reduced by limiting yourself to red meat 2-3 times a week
Remind them their processed soy addiction has been linked to just as many problems as meat eating.

>>41690107
>>41690120
Oh look more anecdotes
I can do that too
en. m. wikipedia. org/wiki/Kuntal_Joisher

>>41690048
no one said that gluten and grains are evil and harmful lol

>>41690132
You're cool, keep it up

>>41690048

I have a feeling a lot of what they say is exaggerated. Like yes, vegetarians/vegans live longer than average, but is that because they don't eat meat or because they're more food conscious than the average person?

I think there's some strong ethical reasons for going animal product free, not that I do it.

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>>41690137
>I've been vegan for spiritual reasons
>Unfortunately the diet attracts a lot of emotionally unstable types.

>>41690186
t. degenerate atheist

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>>41690146

>>41690143
>Vegans cannot get sufficient omega three and six from their diet. They need to guzzle flaxseed and other legumes and seeds all day to get the equivalent that you get from fish and it is not easily converted by the body.
An ounce of chia seeds has 10 times the DV of ω3 and the conversion rate is more than enough to make up for the low conversion rate to DHA:
mobile. nutraingredients-usa. com/Research/Omega-3-ALA-intakes-enough-for-EPA-DPA-levels-for-non-fish-eaters

>>41690143
>vegans cannot get omegas
>list vegan omegas
>not converted
>body synthesizes its own complete proteins

I sure like that the 90s meme "complete protein" myth still exists.

>>41690199
www .bbc. com/news/uk-40146916
Better stop walking on the pavement, it is 7 times more dangerous than being vegan

>>41690209
>what even are essential proteins

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>>41690235
Oh, I can answer that! "Essential proteins" is a combination of words that can be found atop mount stupid, pic related. Anon probably means essential amino acids, which are all covered from beans, grains, nuts and seeds.

Fun fact time: did you know that even oranges have a complete amino acid profile? The only food which lacks an amino acid (has literally zero) is gelatin, which is animal derived and lacks the amino acid tryptophan!

Thousands of children die of malnutrition...meh...wait this one time it was vegans that did it, awhhhh shit now I'm mad.

>>41690258
Fun fact: a vegan diet is a meme and you will never be as healthy as natives eating traditional meals, which include vast amounts of animal products.

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>>41690292

I don't think there's anything wrong with locally sourced meat and dairy. People talk about nutrients as if it's the only thing in the equation.

I like to think of what I eat as a substrate or vector for different biota. Our internal microbial communities are an underrepresented corner of health.

>>41690540
A locally sourced cow is still belching and farting out CH4 that is 18 times more potent than CO2 as a GHG, they still require someone to die to get to your plate and they still require 10 times the feed they yield, unless they are grass fed, but honestly, few are.

>>41690048

believe me once you went vegan and did your own research, over time people that eat meat will come up with the most ridiculous excuses why meat is healthy and ethical. I'm not sorry to say that but Vegan is the future. Killing an being in our time is not ethical anymore and its just cruel and unnecessary. Just think about it.

Gluten is only bad for a small group and there is strong evidence that it is due to the isolated gluten.

>>41690199

nice screenshot faggot.

>>41690048
Get a new friend. Veganism is a lot like a religion and it will harm your friendship and waste your time if he is outspoken about it. Just hang around with other people instead.

As for gluten and grains, a lot of vegans actually eat more of this stuff than people with healthy diets. Once you remove all animal foods you're very limited in what you can eat and even then it's virtually impossible to fulfil macro and micronutrient needs. Instead of following the ridiculous vegan diets involving vast undigestible quantities of vegetables, massive amounts of supplementation, vegans will usually cheap and just use grains and similar products.

>>41690048
All I know is that the stupid meme of people who aren't celiacs seizing on it is driving prices up of all this shit and it kinda sucks for my friend.

She used to be able to get the food as prescription but now they're stopping that and saying buy your own food. My food budget costs about £200 a month, hers comes to double that.

>>41690214
that's not the point, cunt

>>41690132
calm down a little, fag

>>41690752
Then what is?
>OP says that vegans spout anecdotes
>Someone says an anti vegan anecdote
>I point it out
Are you dense?

>>41690760
What part of that post seems angry to you?

>>41690762
stop being so salty dude, you can eat whatever the fuck you want

>>41690684

underrated retard

at least this thread proves that vegans are faggots

>>41690772

you can also kill whoever the fuck you want but that doesnt justify doing it.

>>41690784
Vegans ITT: logical arguments
Non vegans ITT:
>Lol salty fag a vegan baby that climbed Everest died of essential protein deficiency, clearly the soy Jew is at fault

>>41690784

and meat eaters are illogical idiots? Bro you are really stupid.

>>41690788
sorry mate but i can help but get angry with that kind of answers, i fucking hate how you go for an extreme counterexample the whole fucking time, jesus

Look at these vegans. They're such emotional fags. Basically women.

>>41690798
>muh logic
>muh arguments
autism must be rough

>>41690809
Way to prove his point.

>>41690814
>Don't point out to me how double standards create logical inconsistency, I am bad at Boolean algebra and reminding me makes me sad

>>41690855
>I haven't left my bedroom in 10 years.

>>41690636
What is this? Cowshaming?

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Vegans are pussies and retarded, but they're right about people consuming too much meat. Stop eating meat every day, stop consuming the processed meat & dairy jew, and start hunting game and start drinking whole milk. Your body can't run on soy & veggies alone, and anyone who tells you that they can hasn't been vegan long enough to pay the price for their vegan zealotry or is straight up fucking lying about not consuming any animal products. Humans are omnivores, plain and simple.

>>41690874

>what is book?

>>41690874
>I have such zero arguments that I will resort to projection and ad hominem: that will show them, those vegan pussies
Brb, showering for a quick fuck with my gf, then writing my thesis, then going to hit a heavy upper body sesh. Keep thread alive for the next 11 hours, would love to roast some carnivore ass before bed time

I say let vegans be vegans. Why interfere when the weak actively eliminate themselves.

>>41690894
>I LARP

>>41690894
cringe: the post

>>41690891
go away reddit

>>41690636
>someone
It is a cow, not a person.

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>>41690908
>The concept of someone having a girl, a life, academic goals and actually lifting in /fit/ is very foreign to me
Oh god this is so much fun, pinning thread

>>41690931
when someone's life depends on convincing the internet he isn't a shut-in incel.
my sides

>>41690928
Name the trait that is absent/present in animals that if absent/present in humans would justify killing them for meat.

>>41690940
Being delicious
And a significant amount of intelligence

>vegan=vegetarian
>toomayto=toomahto

>>41690940
>>41690931
>>41690894
>>41690855
>>41690798
Dude, stop feeding the trolls
You're making us look bad

>>41690940
Being able to produce offspring with humans.

>>41690940
name anything that says a meat eater has to justify themselves

>>41690949
I find mentally retarded humans delicious, can I kill and eat them?
>But that's against the law
Custody is in favour of the mother usually according to law, does that mean we have to agree with it?

>>41690978
eating meat isn't against the law, so what's your faggot point, faggot?

>>41690132

Nicely summed up, good job.

The amount of vegans I see that have to supplement their diet with extra vitamins and other bullshit they dont get because they dont eat meat is hilarious.
>dont eat meat, be vegan!
>vegan suppaaarrrr heaallthhhyy
>let me open up my pantry with all these extra pills i have to take because I AM A VEGAN LOL

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>2017
>Vegans still exist

At least be a vegetarian. That way you don't fuck yourself royally and still have access to the highest quality protein sources (eggs/milk/whey/etc).

Threadly reminder that every 'ripped'/'successful'/etc vegan bodybuilder didn't start out as one, and 100% of the time their 'success' is due to the fact that they've been a 'vegan' for like 3 weeks after eating meat/etc for years/decades.

>>41690959
Should we kill and eat sterile humans?>>41690960
Name anything the London incident killers from yesterday have to say to justify themselves
>>41690983
You missed it, read again. Just because it is in accordance with the law doesn't make it right. Google "is ought fallacy"

>>41690995
They'll never learn, so just laugh at them and their malnourished bodies. It's more fun.

>>41691000
>not understand the "is ought fallacy"
Nice try reddit

>>41691000
>Should we kill and eat sterile humans?
And there you go. Just as expected. Likening sterile humans to animals. You're a sick, predictable little dumbass.

>>41691000
0/10

>>41690999
Let them kill themselves off, man.
And checked.

>>41691000
>should
>justify
wanna know how I know you're a faggot?

>>41691021>>41690940
>Don't point out to me how double standards create logical inconsistency, I am bad at Boolean algebra and reminding me makes me sad
Again, I asked you to name the trait that is absent/present in animals that if absent/present in humans would justify killing them for meat.
You presented a bad case and failed

>>41691045
>justify
lol what a cuck

>>41690894
this cunt is a miscer. enough said

>>41691045
Animals are tasty
Humans are not
This is not complicated and has nothing to do with math

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>>41691045

I would eat a Human.

There, thread over.

>>41691075
This does not constitute a valid argument unless you have first hand experience that human meat is not tasty. Go on anon, have a bite.

>>41691075
I can't believe you have the audacity to ignore his airtight algebra argument.

>>41691090
I don't need to, it's pretty accepted that human meat is not tasty.
It's also weird to eat you own species as a human.
You are playing a very silly game

>>41691090
a valid argument is whatever the stronger side says it is, you castrated cuck

>>41691090
>>41691080

Look at this thread. My god, the low T on those vegans.

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>>41690048
>Is there any truth to what vegans, et al., are selling?

I don't know, neither do I care. All I'm familiar with is experiencing two vegan girls in my classes faint like a fucking pokemon because of their eating habits while I could function like a normal human being by not eating for like two days. Furthermore they couldn't fuck off about the vegan superiority, so yeah.

>>41691045
>You presented a bad case and failed
You don't have to go as far as wanting to eat someone you can't breed with to justify killing them.

>>41691146
Literally Elliot Rodger

>>41691182
Friendly reminder that Elliot Rodger was a miscer.

>>41691182
Oh right. That one dude who was the only person to ever kill another human.

>>41690881
kek

>>41691203
...because they wouldn't breed with him. Not the only one, sure, but a posthumous posterboy nonetheless

>>41690132
all the vegans i know have some health problems
literally all of them
and you know what their doctors say? eat animal products. too much plant protein is bad for you. you miss micronutrients. if you have to rely on supplements your diet isnt good. you miss amino acids. beta caroten is shit source of vit A.
vegan people who do it for health reason are the dumbest people on earth. if your problem are ethics then just go vegetarian with some fish on side. dont be an idiot

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>>41690048
>i.e. that gluten, grains, dairy, and meat are evil and harmful.
Plenty. Saturated fat, despite what many keto-tards will tell you, is bad for arterial plaque above 32g/day and a huge source of it is red meat

Red meat is also harder to digest, particularly pork and beef, and has been linked to indigestion and plenty of other minor to major problems.

Dairy causes more harm than good for about 75% of the planet and has been linked to everything from acne to crohns disease

Does all this mean that a vegan diet is healthy? No, it just means people react differently to different foods and that literally anything is harmful without moderation, which we already knew.

tl;dr Yes but eat properly, not necessarily vegan

where do vegans get their b12? spirulina doesn't count because the kind of b12 in it isn't bioavailable.

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>>41690995

Tell me how much should i supplement?

Consider the following: meat is fucking tasty. Vegans fuck off.

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>>41690132
While I don't agree with your conclusion that vegan is the ideal choice in terms of health, your non bullshit assessment is on point and you're not a faggot, good work

>>41691242

fortified milk or simply a supplement. Same goes for Vitamin D or simply throu the sun.

>>41691245
>dat omega 3 to omega 6 ratio
>no fucking b12
>dat low protein
rip

>>41691255
fortified milk is just milk with a b12 supplement added, so basically you can only get b12 by supplementing it because you can't get any from your diet. how is that healthy?

>>41691225
>all the vegans i know have some health problems
>literally all of them
Anecdote
>and you know what their doctors say? eat animal products. too much plant protein is bad for you.
Would love source
>you miss micronutrients. if you have to rely on supplements your diet isnt good.
I only supp vegan creatine, which is unnecessary for life and only helps with gains. Normies don't need it.
>you miss amino acids.
Name one and post source
> beta caroten is shit source of vit A.
Wrong, plus a single sweet potato has over 10 times the RDA as beta carotene. Your body can autoregulate how much it converts. On the other hand, if you ingest too much vit A from meat you may get vit A poisoning because the body has no way of regulating exxessive ingested vitamin A
>vegan people who do it for health reason are the dumbest people on earth.
Hyperbole and incorrect. The most common killers are cancer, heart disease, stroke and diabetes all of which are related to meat, egg and dairy consumption
> if your problem are ethics then just go vegetarian with some fish on side.
That's absurdly illogical, I don't even
>dont be an idiot
Homework: spot the irony

>>41690995
While I agree veganism is suboptimal for health, I think the chances that you have lots of vegan friends you regularly visit and they allow you to enter their pantry laughable

>>41691245
Your diet would literally kill me by the by

>>41691242
>>41691271
1 cup soy milk 125% RDA B12
>But it's fortified, it doesn't count!
Cows are fortified with B12 via oral supplements or injections too

>>41691271

how is that healthy considering that livestock gets his b12 throu a b12 supplement so you basically eat a b12 supplement in flesh. B12 is also a Vitamin found in fresh water and soil but because of todays agraculture and super market bullshit, you ain't getting fresh water and you clean the soil from your veggies.

>41691256

idiot does not even know what a healthy 6/3 ratio is. Look it up before you come with stupid arguments.

>>41691301

>>41691256

idiot does not even know what a healthy 6/3 ratio is. Look it up before you come with stupid arguments.

>>41691229

>Saturated fat, despite what many keto-tards will tell you, is bad for arterial plaque above 32g/day and a huge source of it is red meat

Wrong.

>Dairy causes more harm than good for about 75% of the planet and has been linked to everything from acne to crohns disease

Not really, unless you're non-white/lactose intolerant.

>>41691301

>how is that healthy considering that livestock gets his b12 throu a b12 supplement so you basically eat a b12 supplement in flesh.

Wrong. Cows get B12 through the small amounts of soil they ingest along with grass (most natural B12 is found in soil)

>>41691299
>>41691301
maybe if you live in the us. here all beef is free range, grass fed and given no supplement and their b12 is fine.

what the fuck do you think a healthy omega 6:omega 3 ratio is? it certainly isn't 26:1 you dolt.
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3181/0711-MR-311?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed&
you start getting noticeable heath issues starting 10:1, your ratio is more than double that.

>>41691273

B12?

>>41691363
>>41691345
>here all beef is free range, grass fed and given no supplement and their b12 is fine.
This still doesn't negate the fact that a cup of soy milk has you covered
>>41691378
Lol come on try harder

>>41691141
vegans have higher testosterone, btw

>>41691443
when you make a claim this preposterous, at least post some form of proof as biased as it probably is

>>41691448
Not even him but literally 30 seconds in Google
Www. ncbi. nlm. nih .gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a .pdf

>>41690132
>undeniable that dietary saturated fat and cholesterol raises blood cholesterol
old false science. Its not true

>>41691363
>>41691318
>Calls other people idiot
>Clings to pseudoscience like omega-6 ratio
Damn, all of you people are like carbon copies of each other. Let me guess, you also believe that glycemic index is relevant, that the sugar industry has controlled scientific discourse for decades, that fructose is more harmful than saturated fat, that oil is healthy and that dietary cholesterol has no impact on blood cholesterol
Easiest bullshit bingo on the planet

>>41691245
>hiding the 10kg of greens you have to eat every day
Pfthahhahahahahhaha

>>41691510
Dietary cholesterol DOES raise blood cholesterol
www .ncbi. nlm. nih. gov/pubmed/1534437

>>41690146
>man ate nothing but two oreo biscuits and a bit if nasty gel when travelling between base 3 camp to base 2
Opinion discarded

>>41690788
Well, you should kys.

>>41691336
what percentage of the planet do you think is white?

>>41690048
nutritionfacts.org

Faggot.

>>41691524
>Let me guess, you also believe that glycemic index is relevant, that the sugar industry has controlled scientific discourse for decades, that fructose is more harmful than saturated fat, that oil is healthy and that dietary cholesterol has no impact on blood cholesterol
>stating a bunch of facts
>HAHA I HOPE YOU DON'T BELIEVE THIS
literal mental illness

>>41690048
GEE BECKY, TWO WIENERS???

>>41691880
>dietary cholesterol has no impact on blood cholesterol
>facts
Read >>41691608 please

>>41691744

Not enough.

>>41690132
>Meat, eggs and dairy as well as fast food are subsidized.

So is a lot of farm produce which are not those items you listed.

A lot of vegan 'alternatives' would need to be heavily subsidised themselves just to bring them to affordable levels that could be consumed by the mass population outside of middle class yuppies and feel-good hipsters.

> it is undeniable that dietary saturated fat and cholesterol raises blood cholesterol, which causes ischemic heart disease, stroke and type 2 diabetes.

And there is nothing wrong with eating these things IN MODERATION where then the effect on life span and increase in risk of those diseases is mostly irrelevant in the long run. There are more factors than simply 'dietary cholesterol' which contributes to a person having those diseases. We can look at the French diet for example with all there butter, cheeses, and wine but enjoy a life span amongst the top of all European countries.

>It is undeniable that animal agriculture is responsible for 18% of all GHG emissions

Of course we can work toward reducing animal agriculture and emissions but that is no real reason to eliminate it completely. People eat meat and animal products for many reasons which I will not go into detail here because the many valid arguements would otherwise trigger anons and vegan advocates who think /fit/ is their safe space.

>That's awesome

It's not awesome if it's subversive, encouraged underhandedly, and advocated for the wrong reasons.

>Have you tried vegan products?

The vegan lifestyle is simply not conducive for many people and their lifestyles and the costs can be detrimental.

>Go vegan

No.

>>41690931
pics or it didn't happen

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>>41690940

Animals eat animals.

Humans are animals.

There is nothing wrong with eating an animal.

We do not kill/eat other humans because of a 'missing trait' which is the logical fallacy you have proposed for not consuming animals. The relationships and culture that humans have toward each other in society present and historical and far more complex and intricate than the 'absence/presence' dichotomy you present.

Please don't lump in the anti-gluten/grains crowd in with veganism. It has literally nothing to do with each other. If you don't have any intolerance or allergies, gluten are GREAT for you.
Veganism is just going plantbased because killing and exploiting for food is unnecessary, because you can be healthy without animal products. You can still make gains while vegan, no problem.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
>It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.

>>41692190
Humans die for what I want all the time, I'd be an intellectual hypocrite if I didn't also kill animals for what I want.

I accidentally became gluten free. I have been dieting a lot lately, and was in the process of moving so I haven't really gone getting a lot of bread or anything like with grains/gluten. Been eating meat, greens and fruits.
I noticed that one time I had some quesadillas and later on I felt like absolute shit. Like, I woke up nauseous, hot and had a pain in my forehead a few hours after going to sleep and couldn't fall back asleep. It ended up going away, and about two weeks later I had some chicken sandwhiches. This was the second time having any kind of gluten products and again I felt like total shit. Same symptoms as the time I had the tortillas, and I read a bit on it and apparently a lot of people that go gluten free for 30 days, etc and have bread after feel the same effects.

I have noticed though, that the last few weeks of not having bread/grains, I have felt better in general. Again, this was not a planned thing at all, but when I wasn't eating gluten products I was sleeping deeper and felt better throughout the day in general. Like, I could sleep for 6 hours and feel like I slept for 9 hours. Was able to wake up easier, and I was sleeping deeper according to my fitness trackers. A lot less movement/waking up in the middle of sleeping overall.

The only problem is that I fucking love bread though, but I guess how I feel now is pretty great too. The worst thing was the sickness you get from eating bread again after your body adjusts to not having it. I think that will be the only thing that keeps me from going back to eating anything with gluten.

>>41692133
>A lot of vegan 'alternatives' would need to be heavily subsidised themselves just to bring them to affordable levels that could be consumed by the mass population outside of middle class yuppies and feel-good hipsters.
Strawman. The bread and (peanut) butter of a vegan diet is grains and beans which are always cheaper than meat, whether adjusted for calories, mass or satiation.
>And there is nothing wrong with eating these things IN MODERATION where then the effect on life span and increase in risk of those diseases is mostly irrelevant in the long run.
I could argue the same about smoking a pack of cigarettes per week.
>There are more factors than simply 'dietary cholesterol' which contributes to a person having those diseases.
Would love a source on that before I comment on the French thing (for which I'd also need source)
>Of course we can work toward reducing animal agriculture and emissions but that is no real reason to eliminate it completely.
We don't have to "eliminate" animal agriculture, it will eventually fizzle out on its own
>People eat meat and animal products for many reasons which I will not go into detail here because [...] vegan advocates who think /fit/ is their safe space.
See, you think you're being cheeky by reflecting my point back on me, but it fails because the only triggered comments I see are from meat eaters calling vegans faggots, pussies, to get out of here, etc. A safe space implies that the vast majority of its occupants are in line with a certain set of beliefs. The exact opposite holds true with /fit/ and veganism. But please, do post the "valid arguments" for eating meat.
>It's not awesome if it's subversive, encouraged underhandedly, and advocated for the wrong reasons.
I agree but that statement is loaded. We don't know his friend
>The vegan lifestyle is simply not conducive for many people and their lifestyles
What do you mean?
>costs can be detrimental.
Beans, lentils, potatoes, oats and pasta are cheap as fuck

>>41690132
>the meat jew

god I can't believe I even tried to entertain a vegan's delusions for a second.

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>>41692363

>>41692353

Vegans never give an inch.

It's fucking hilarious.

>>41692391
Post location faggot, I'll give you 6

What is more stupid than being a vegan? Arguing with one about being vegan.

>>41692401

>6

Fucking dicklet.

>>41692419
>What is more stupid than being a vegan?
being a drug addict

>>41690048
Veggies are low in calories. Imagine you're a normie who's been taught that counting calories doesn't work or whatever. Now suddenly you're on a lower calorie diet with very little processed shit. You're gonna lose weight, then you're gonna tell everybody about how you lost weight and felt awesome on a vegan diet.


So yeah, there is something to it, but it's not some sort of magic. You won't regenerate limbs or suddenly have semen that can melt through building or whatever the crazy people are claiming now.

>>41690132
>Grains are what fed 95% of humans for 95% of our history as homo sapiens

But that's not true. Meat has always been shit that people aspire to. "Putting meat on the table" is literally a phrase developed from that.


I don't agree with your conclusion, but you aren't being a faggot, so I guess that's cool.

>>41690048
85% of vegetarians stop with their fad diet

99% of vegans stop with their fad diets, because of doctors orders (so they won't die from deficiencies)

>>41690048
vegan diet is great for trap mode aesthetics, you'd think /fit/ would be all over it

>>41692353
>The bread and (peanut) butter of a vegan diet is grains and beans which are always cheaper than meat

Moving the goalposts. Subsistence diets are for dystopian fiction characters, not real human beings. Comparable vegan alternatives to meat don't even exist, for the most part (you got a vegan crawfish for me yet, you dopes?). The alternatives that DO exist are overpriced as hell and not even in distribution. Do you expect every single person in the United States to go to Momofuku every time they want a hamburger?

>>41693070
>Moving the goalposts.
Trolling? You implied that grains are cheaper than meat because subsidies, I explained why not.
>Subsistence diets are for dystopian fiction characters, not real human beings.
Trolling? You said that
>affordable levels that could be consumed by the mass population outside of middle class yuppies and feel-good hipsters.
Which implied that poor people should eat meat because it's cheaper. If I were poor I'd eat anything I could get my hands on, so mostly rice and beans
>Comparable vegan alternatives to meat don't even exist, for the most part (you got a vegan crawfish for me yet, you dopes?).
Talk about moving the goalposts. This has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post or the OP
>The alternatives that DO exist are overpriced as hell
Few are, most are comparable price to real meat
>and not even in distribution
I doubt that, but soon enough they will be available everywhere as demand increases
>Do you expect every single person in the United States to go to Momofuku every time they want a hamburger?
I honestly can't tell what you are trying to argue here, you sound really disoriented. Crawfish are also hard to find but that didn't stop anyone from eating meat. Why would the relative scarcity of a random vegan burger be a reason to not go vegan?

>no one had brought up the fact that the world would starve if it went vegan
We literally do not have enough arable land on the planet.

>>41693817
Nice source.

>>41690048

>i.e. that gluten, grains... are evil

Since those are vegan foods, this viewpoint wouldn't be specific to vegans. It's mostly wrong though.

> dairy, and meat

Definitely evil if you look at the means of production and the mass suffering involved. Harmful in most cases too, which is why all credible diet plans limit them and focus on plant foods.

>>41691229

>Saturated fat, despite what many keto-tards will tell you, is bad for arterial plaque above 32g/day

Technically any amount is harmful. There's no upper limit or known safe intake. We just put numbers like 5-10% of calories so that people have some idea of how to eat.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10490&page=422

I just think there's too much meat and dairy about for alot of animals to not be living in fucked up conditions, so would rather not participate

>>41690995

You're on /fit/ right now. 99% of the people who post on this board take at least 4 different supplements and powders.

>>41693070
You do know that people outside of the privileged Western world have to eat mostly plantbased when they are poor? Because that's actually the cheapest there is? So how is it hipster food again?

>>41693817
Not as if we're growing food for the animals humans eat. Not as if it would be way more efficient to just eat the plants directly, since you have to feed an animal 4 calories to get 1 back. That's a shitty conversion rate. Would be more efficient to just eat the plants directly and not get nasty things like cholesterol.

>>41690894
oh my god, the cringe is strong in this one

>>41694522
Nice dubs, but you are forgetting that not all land is created equally. In addition, veganism precludes almost every calorie we can pull from the sea. Most livestock is grown on shitty, marginal land, where they eat the scrubs and grass, and turn them into usable calories, thereby making use of thr land that otherwise would have produced nothing.

>>41694692
>Most livestock is grown on shitty, marginal land, where they eat the scrubs and grass, and turn them into usable calories,
The overwhelming majority of livestock is fed monocrop soy from deforestated Amazon land

>>41690770
That post was riddled with spite though.

>>41695596
If facts upset you, it's time for a reality check. Seriously.
Maybe we can discuss it, what did you dislike in particular?

>>41695692
Complaining about jews like a /pol/tard. Bringing up saturated fat like that means anything, nobody eats only meat on a daily basis. Complaining about how we just "dont get it" and that you're not going to argue with us about ethics because you know you're going to be called wrong. Being wrong about grains. Calling veganism a red pill. Saying it's awesome :D that someone is trying to convert OP into your dumb cult. Asking us to try vegan products. Telling people to go vegan. That's pretty much it.

Oh yeah and your post right now, read it again.

>If facts upset you, it's time for a reality check. Seriously.

Does this really look like something someone who isn't trying to be smug would write? You have a single good fact in your argument and yet instead of riding its coattails you're going around insulting non-vegans and implying they're inferior to you.

>>41691245

Where are you getting your B12 from?

Deficiency can cause macroyctic anemia, peripheral neuropathy and psychosis

I put all my vegan patients on supplements...most of them already are.

>>41695847
>Complaining about jews like a /pol/tard
Figure of speech.
>Bringing up saturated fat like that means anything, nobody eats only meat on a daily basis.
Nobody claims cigarette smoke isn't dangerous if you only smoke one pack per week, it's still more than someone who smokes zero
>Complaining about how we just "dont get it" and that you're not going to argue with us about ethics because you know you're going to be called wrong.
Name the trait that is absent/present in animals that if absent/present in humans would justify killing them for meat.
>Being wrong about grains.
Are you implying meat is healthier than grains or did you misunderstand my post?
>Calling veganism a red pill.
The red pill is the uncomfortable truth you don't want to face. The blue pill is believing whatever you want to believe.
Veganism is the truth. I have posted many numbers and cited many studies itt to back up my talk.
>Saying it's awesome :D that someone is trying to convert OP into your dumb cult.
"Convert" and "cult" falsely imply veganism is baseless. "Dumb" is emotionally charged, which you claimed I was.
> Asking us to try vegan products.
If that upsets you you are really immature. If you don't try it how do you know that you dislike it?
>Telling people to go vegan.
If people were stomping on babies for fun and preference I'd tell them to stop too.
>Oh yeah and your post right now, read it again.
>>If facts upset you, it's time for a reality check. Seriously.
>Does this really look like something someone who isn't trying to be smug would write?
Fucking kek mate, you are way too insecure. How do you even function irl? Do you have a breakdown when your professor asks you to solve a problem on the board?
>You have a single
Many actually, learn to count
>good fact in your argument and yet instead of riding its coattails you're going around insulting non-vegans and implying they're inferior to you.
I didn't use a single demeaning, belittling or berating word.