Are dumbell lateral raises the best exercise for big wide

>>41566777
yes

>>41566777
Nice trips. Bumping for big wide shoulders

>>41566777
Yeah, despite not needing heavy weight for dumbell raises they really get your delts growing

No, OHP and dumbbell OHPs are.

Lat raises are a great addition for extra icing on the side delts. Similarly face pulls are a great addition for extra icing on rear delts.

Either way it all starts with OHP.

>>41566868
Shoulders respond better to higher reps lower weight when it comes to size

>>41566868
Lol

Should powerlifting be classified as a mental illness?

>>41566887
This

I could ohp 1.5 pl8 and my shoulders weren't very big

I started doing dumbell side raises for 15-20 reps for that burn and they grew like crazy

db lateral raises with straight arms - yes/no?

>>41566900
OHP and dumbell presses are not powerlifting movements. Most powerlifters don't even use them as accessories, as the carryover for the BP is not that big.

>>41566868
OHP hits fuck all for laterals

>>41566777
I like this, I choose bitch weight like 6lbs and 8lb dumb bells then do 25 reps and drop with the 6lbs and do another 20 reps
Then do like 4 sets

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>>41566777
Nope, strict press. If you disagree, poat a pic of your manlet shoulders so that i can laugh at you.

>>41566956
Heavy weight shoulder exercises don't d shit for shoulder aesthetics

They're only the best at snapping your shit up

>>41567031
>Low weight, high reps
>snapping your shit up

pick one dyel

>>41567031
LOL

>using heavy weights for side raises

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>>41567199
Loading a joint like this with any sort of weight, laterally

>whew

>>41567251
Yeah why not it makes your shoulders wide

>>41566777
No BNP is

>>41567276
Because the shoulder isn't meant to do certain things. It's an incredible joint but has very little stability due to its amazing range of motion. The tissues which keep it in place are like wet Kleenex.

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>>41567838
>TFW annihilated my left posterior (rear?) labrum 2 years ago
>TFW can barely do 95lb 3x5 OHP
>TFW shoulders are fucking miniscule now
fucking kill me

>>41567858
Get the surgery to fix it. you'll be able to do everything again in a few months. Won't have full strength for a year though. Also, once you get an MRI, and you're talking to your specialist. Ask how deep your glenoid cavity is, and if they'll be using a knotted or knotless suture system. If they can't answer this, find another doctor

>>41567838
That's why you do isolated rotator cuff exercises as an accessory everytime you work with the shoulder joint

>>41568012
Give me a rundown pls

>>41566887
>Shoulders respond better to higher reps lower weight when it comes to size

maximum "i heard it from some guy at the gym" bullshit detected.

>>41566951
>OHP hits fuck all for laterals

imagine being such an uneducated, ignorant retard yet acting like you're an authority on ANYTHING in spite of it.

Despite what all fucks say here, lateral raises are the best for increasing your lateral deltoid - which, in result, gives the best result for big shoulders overall

>>41566951
>OHP hits fuck all for laterals

OHP works it some but not enough if you're chasing aesthetics. Getting a good pump on the lateral delts is much easier after heavy OHP than, say, close grip bench. But lateral raises are boring, bradford press is much more fun to do and is very effective.

Actually laterial raises are horrible for delt growth, only bodybuilders benefit from them but largely due steroids

If you take a lesson in anatomy you would learn that the most work up to shoulder level comes from the rotator fuff, not the delts. Well the exercise stops exactly at shoulder level so what benefit is there?

The delts get worked a lot above the shoulder. This is why OHP and BTN press are great exercises. If you disagree you likely are pressing bitch weight or have shit form

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>>41567251
>>41567838
>>41568146

It doesn't matter what exercise you do for a muscle. The only thing it needs is a good enough breakdown of it's so that it responds with growth. Therefore the discussion is somewhat irrelevant from this perspective
One thing to be definitely noted tho is that any type of above the head pressing movement will FUCK your joint up like crazy. Not right away. But after years of pressing heavy YOU WILL GET FUCKED. Standing OHP, Dumbbell shoulder press and all that
Front and lateral raises are a ton safer and won't do near the damage that presses will. Look at bodybuilders worldwide. Almost none do pressing movements either because their joints are already fucked or because they know they would get fucked.
Do: Lateral/Front Raises, Face Pulls, Reverse Flys, Front Raises on the cable and stick to reasonable weight
Stay the fuck away from crazy heavy presses for hypertrophy. If you're a weightlifter/powerlifter that's a whole nother discussion but i'm not the one to elaborate on that.

Seems like an appropriate thread to ask. My left shoulder is fucked and don't know why. Grinds and clicks at pretty much every range of motion. Any ideas on ways to possibly improve it or should I see a doctor or some shit

>>41567199

not getting that overload, pleb

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>>41566900
Want to know how I know you don't even lift

>>41568275
>overhead compounds do more damage then isolation bullshit that puts the arm in a compromised position
0/10

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Can you guys rate my routine? I don't have access to a rack.

Besides dumbbell flyes, any other dumbbell exercise that can get you massive pecs?

>>41566868
Laterals and rear delt extensions as an accessory are the trifecta

>>41566930
I keep them slightly bent to allieviate the pressure from my rotator cuff. Whatever works really I think you'll impinge something keeping them perfectly straight tho

>>41567251
That's why you keep your arms bent

>>41570276
You must be done with B-day pretty quickly.

>>41570293
dumbbell incline/decline bench

>>41566777

I love these but I actually pinch plates with my fingertips when I raise. Women loose their fucking minds during the fingerbang because of the extra strength and endurance in my hands.

>>41570276
>3 different exercises for arms
>no exercises for chest
You need to put the major muscle groups as a first priority then your arms

>>41566951
>OHP hits fuck all for laterals

use dumbells and high reps.

Behind the neck press for those that can perform it safely is better

>>41570516
Yeah I much prefer dumb bells, my statement was based on barbell and someguy wants to tell me wrong. It hits front Delts hard enough I don't want to isolate so I'm going to say its not great for laterals

Just based on the feeling of my muscles though...

>>41571049
I see what your saying but I have 245x5 Military press and my shoulders are big because of it but I do lateral raises 3 times a week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5sNYB1Q6aM

Very relevant.

>>41571153
Completely understand, how I see it is heavy weight builds the strength to increase the weight you can use for high reps

So if I do a new PR heavy OHP I can now user heavier weights for laterals, even if by 2 pounds its a huge difference when youre doing 4 sets totally like 200 reps

>>41571624
Totalling 200 reps*

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>>41569493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5sNYB1Q6aM
relevant elephant

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>>41572466
lol thanks so much senpai
Finally understand why it hurts when I do lat raises
Genuine 9/10 you've made my life better and less injury prone
thanks :D

>>41566868
>OHP and dumbbell OHPs are
Lol no.

>>41572466
Based Jeff

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>>41566777
Don't ever do lateral raises. They will destroy your shoulders forever.

I got lucky, and mine healed after 3 months, but fuck if I'm ever doing those again ever or promoting them to anyone. Just do overhead press, it's a compound excercise and won't snap your shit up senpai.