How were ancient Greeks so ripped and aesthetic? These statu

>>41538523
High test, really really good diet and completely pure of bad chemicals, didn't sit all day on their computers and of course fucked boipussies whenever they wanted

lmao he looks like shit

live a life of manual labor, as in, to do anything you have to manually work for it. eat a very clean diet. do calisthenic a lot because there's fucking nothing else to do but work and sleep. run a lot because how the fuck else you gunna get anywhere. have test levels not fucked over by the post industrial world. and they did have workout equipment. carving rocks to have handles as sort of cave-man kettle balls was common because stone working tools were common and big fucking heavy rocks were even more common.

Keep in mind that eating habits and the foods available were very different, so everyone except rich fucks were probably super low bf anyway. Then add the near constant training that warriors went through, and you have a recipe for a shredded aesthetic motherfucker.

I mean shit, your average Hoplite had heavy armor, a big-ass round shield and a big spear. Constantly hefting those in a combat stance for Phalanx formations would be one helluva workout. Its not super far-fetched to think that theyd be pretty shredded if thats pretty much all they're doing.

You don't make statues of laymen you fucking idiot

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>>41538523
most people were like that in ancient times

pic related

In Sparta, boys went to military school at age 4.

In Athens, every man spent 3 hours at the gymnasium daily, working out in the nude. They ate a lot of goat cheese. It wasn't a choice, it was actually a part of their religion to work out.

Ate clean, did manual labor, cared profoundly about aesthetics and fucked boy's asses.

The statues are the idealized male form as envisioned by pedophiles and homosexuals.

>>41538607
hmm that explains why that "aesthetic" guy looks like a tranny who does too many pushups

>>41538534
>really really good diet
of grapes and wine? uh huh

>>41538622
Goat testicles

>>41538523
The Ancient Greeks didn't walk anywhere. Most of their day to day travel consisted of frog leaps, bear crawls, spidermans, low crawls, and monkey bars.

>be greek
>have a micropenis

>>41538553
only spartans were constantly at war, other greek cities were citizen-soldiers, meaning they led normal lives and when they DID go to war they would just fight a couple battles in the summer
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>>41538607
>all these idiots ITT
manual labor won't give you that body, and free time(which they didnt have much, they had jobs like anyone else) without will won't do you shit, else all the neets on /r9k/ would be ripped. The greeks actually went to the gym and strived both for aesthetics and athletic performance and the olympic games were literally part of a religious festival.

>>41539460
you want to go to the museum and look at thick meats hanging in your face?

Greek statues were idealized, not realistic.

>>41538553
modern soldiers carry way more gear than they did back then

Tfw I have exactly the same body as OPs pic
Tfw I have always considerred myself a hungry skelly
Tfw im literally a greek statue

Could it be that my gf actually wasnt just lying to make me feel good when she said i looked hot?

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>>41539460

Your penile insecurity/ fixation/ porn brainwashing is showing.

A.) Penises this size are normal, especially when exposed to the elements or when exercising due to blood flow being away from the genitals. Also life was more traumatic back then which produced more cortisol in the bloodstream which has a tendency to inhibit hormonal development in puberty.

B.) The lack of emphasis on the genitals and more on the cranium was to emphasize the virtue of logic over base passions.

Less recreational 4chan, more studying, padiwan.

>>41539631
A is retarded, B is right

>>41538523
This is one of the Riace bronzes, which were made in the early to mid classical period. It almost certainly depicts a guy of aristocratic background. Even though what the other anon is saying about most Greeks only fighting part time at least in later periods, depending on the city/area, an aristocrat from the late archaic to mid classical period was more or less a professional soldier who lived a life of relative ease with ample free time for training, which would have been the centre of both his social and political life. These were also the ranks from which Olympians were almost exclusively drawn at the time. This guy grew up in a system that championed both physical performance and male physical beauty, and would have been encouraged to aim for that ideal from a very early age. Many of his contemporaries who weren't as gifted or dedicated probably didn't end up looking like this.

One more thing worth considering: If you saw this statue in real life, you'd be struck both by how lifelike it is (the diver who discovered it I think was convinced he'd found a corpse) and by how menacing its physicality is. These sculptures are from a world and culture that was steeped in violence, and sculptures like this show it very clearly. This guy was at the pinnacle like this for his time because he was dedicated to physicality because survival and social position - as well as education - depended largely on being at least a little thuggish.

>>41538523
Holy fuck did anyone in here even graduate HS? They didn't actually look that lean you fucking morons. The sculptor exaggerated their feature you fucking retarded-ass niggers.

>>41539673
That's only true of figures like Hercules and other gods, whose musculature was exaggerated by sculptures who wanted them to literally look superhuman. Actual athletes are depicted fairly realistically. They even rubbed oil all over themselves during contests in order to accentuate their features (sound familiar?). The guys being immortalised in athletic nudes are not average members of society, they're literal Olympic champions and top-flight war heroes.

Wew. This thread is pretty inspiring desu. Makes me want to eat even cleaner and stop watching porn

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>>41539673
>N-NO! It's completely impossible to look like that! *eats big mac* greek patriarchy enforced unrealistic male standards of beauty!!!*drinks 2 gallons of soda* This above average athletic body was exaggerated to unrealistic ideals! *gets diabetes* This is the natty limit! *dies of heart attack* Ancient people were literally babbling retards!!!

>>41539578
This.
>citizen-soldiers
Importantly, this meant that it was every man's duty to keep himself fit and ready for war. So there was considerable social pressure to be fit. There was no 'body positivity' or even 'body ambivalence' because having a shit body showed that you were a shit man.

>>41539703
You are right, but
>>41539660
And
>>41539829
Are also right. In short: the statues ARE from Olympic champions (and other best-of-the-best; plus their mental image of gods is clearly drawn from idealising humans, just like Michelangelo), but these best were drawn out of an aristocrat & citizen (depending on city) class that put HEAVY emphasis on the body. Greeks were PHYSICAL. School was basically sports with a little rhetoric. They believed in an afterlife and some kind of spirit, but this didn't get much emphasis until Plato and especially St Paul. In Homer's time most of the dead were to be pitied, even the glorious dead merely respected and commemorated; the emphasis was on this physical finite life.

I don't mean to idealize. Compared to our world or even peak Rome the Greek world was shit: bunch of narrow minded hicks squabbling, murdering, and bribing each other. But damn did they get some good art, poetry, thinking, science, and living in while they were at it.

Also fucking ass is AMAZING, even if I prefer women's asses.

>>41539800
They didn't look like that and that's a fact. Stop turning this into something it's not because you've been called out on being an ignorant fucktard.

>>41539800
>implying you can't get this body by eating big macs and drinking sodas

autism

>>41539800
how does understanding history have anything to do with unrealistic male standards of beauty? They didn't look like those statues anon. Sorry to ruin your fap material faggot.

>>41538622
mediterranean cousine my man

>>41538534
>olives, bread and wine
>optimal diet

I dunno my man

>>41539592
>implying modern soldiers are less ripped than hoplites were

>>41539800
>im so stupid im going into severe damage control and accusing someone of rejecting reality even though I'm the one arguing against factual knowledge
wew lad

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>>41540184
american education is truly sad

>>41538523
Certainly not from counting macros

>>41538523

Cracking Persian skulls open daily will do that to you. I'd recommend you to try it but these Greeks hogged all the gains and killed them all.

>>41538523
That's pretty easy. They wouldn't spend weeks making a statue of some fat fuck or malnourished hobo. Same goes for paintings. Only the best looking people served as models. I'm 100% certain that most Greeks didn't look like that at all.

>>41540219
better than the little you've had faggot cause you're obviously fucking stupid.

>>41539673
someone paid attention in history class

>>41538523
The welathy went to the gym almost everyday, remember the Olympics were invented by the greeks. They wrestled, boxed, ran, jumped, lifted etc alot.

>Year 3500
>archeologists find a magazine from 2000s
>damn how come everybody was so hit and sexy back then
>just look at all those photos

>its because back then everybody had to be hot
>ppl worked harder

This thread logic

>>41540373
Pretty much.

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How are the modern Japanese so 可愛い and 萌え? These figures aren't depiction of 2次元嫁. They are ordinary girls so it's not something to strive to become as if they were 2次元嫁.

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Artists have always chosen to draw idealized versions of men and women, hence why in all greek sculptures you'll see muscular men with tiny penises because that's what they considered beautiful.

Just look at all the renaissance paintings depicting females, do you think all women back then had perfect pale skin and enough to eat as to be overweight? Hell no, most would be rather scrawny and tan, working in the fields.

>>41539460
>>41539631

Greek artists would purposefully sculpt penises smaller, smoother, always flaccid and with less hair. It was seen as "proper" and intellectual.

Men were only depicted with massive schlongs if they were supposed to be barbaric, uncultured and filthy.

>>41540373
this.
I cant believe how people think everybody was ripped back then. Just go to a random 3rd world country and you will find a bunch of skinny people with 1 out of a 100 having some muscle defenition.

>>41540428
>Tiny penises were considered beautiful
Where did the desire for a bigger dick originate from?

>>41540469
(((porn)))

>>41540469
The JEWS

>>41540482
Porn existed since cavemen were drawing stick figures fucking. Something changed.

>>41540469
I'd say from boners in general, my father had a danish comic series explaining danish history and viking mythology, and sex was very present. African tribes also have like very big fake wooden cocks they wear over their own as a support or something like that.

Tiny penises were only present in greek / roman culture I'd say.

>>41539460

I'm Greek and my flaccid penis isn't far off the ones seen on statues. I'm also 7.5 inches when erect.

Perhaps the usual explanation of bigger dicks being seen as barbaric isn't all there is to this and there's something in our genetics.

Look at the posture. Literally a faggot.

I think faggot feminine traits are truly genetic and have been around since the dawn of faggotry.

Did the ancient Greeks wear rainbow clothing but the colors have just faded over time? Lmao

>>41540119
>>41539673
How can one person be this retarded?

>>41539654
>A is retarded
show us your flaccid dick when you're nude out in the elements you fucking loser, at most it would be an inch larger

>>41540580
you are literally wrong. accept it and move on nigger

>>41538523
These are depictions of the peak male form...not fucking portraits of real people.

You're talking about a time when there were fuck all people, fuck all food and no McDonalds. Of course people are going to look skelly.

Doesn't take much for a sculptor to enlarge their muscles slightly and make them look less skeletal.

>>41540594
>amerinigger education

>>41540601
>no education

Seriously look up the fucking definition of "ideal" then off yourself dumbass

>>41540601
>probably from a country being flooded with muslim sandniggers

You can't insult me faggot

>>41540613
Why not?

Greek statues are art, not anatomical models.

>>41538523
they
sucked
a
lot
of
cock

>>41540428
overweight?

>>41540121
>fish, seafood in general and lamb

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>>41540618
They were both. The Greeks of that time were mostly either laborers/farmers, in which case they worked out all day, or citizens, in which they trained for a few hours every day. In general, their populace would have looked fit as fuck compared to the people of today.

Hell, even fifty years ago, people were way fucking skinnier, but that was after widespread service economies, after guns, and after private armies. The average Greek citizen probably looked a metric fuck ton fitter than the average walmart shopper.

>>41540428
Actually most women looked frumpy like that because male models were used.

https://renresearch.wordpress.com/2011/02/11/men-with-breasts-or-why-are-michelangelos-women-so-muscular-part-1/

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>>41540742
Why are Michelangelo’s Women so Muscular?

wow nice transphobia there, shitlord

>>41540742
>>41540428
That's from the Renaissance and not Antiquity, you fucking pleb.

>>41540713
This guy gets it.
>tfw you don't get to oil wrestle your best bro after a long sweaty day of hoplite training
Why live?

There are some stupid delusional posters ITT. The ancient greeks (spartans in this instance) trained for warfare on a daily basis. Wrestling, boxing, running, carrying a heavy fucking shield plus javelin and breastplate.

Compare that to today, you have a bunch of office and wagecucks with muh 1/2/3/4. Even a helot who was a peasant would be fitter, stronger, and probably kick our asses too.

>>41540121

Shit loads of fish, whole grains, olive oils and vegetables. Basically the optimal diet.

>>41538523
There wasn't enough food for them to get fat

>>41538523
>so ripped and aesthetic
go work outside for your whole life and you'll look like that, or go to the gym 3-4 times a week and you'll surpass that look within 2 years

>>41540853
Why don't you try reading the post he was replying to?

>>41540428
>Just look at all the renaissance paintings
>>41540853
>That's from the Renaissance

everything seems in order, move along

>>41540713
Except that a lot of Greek statues are anatomically impossible.

The addition of muscle groups that dont exist and insertions that are impossible are clearly signs that they were artwork based in a idealised view of beauty. Just look at the adonis belts on the bronzes, they're massively exaggerated.

I'm not making any comment about the physical fitness of Greeks, that's separate from the cultural significance of their art.

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>>41540697
She looks around 30% bodyfat, most women in these paintings were pretty soft, hovering between normal and overweight.

>>41540742
In the Renaissance artists started to become more realistic, with anatomy studies and perspective. While I enjoy Michelangelo's work he was terrible at drawing women. I couldn't find much about wether female models were banned or not but I doubt so, as the church relaxed their grip and now artists could be commissioned mythological (and not only biblical) scenes such as nude godesses, nymphs, etc. Back then nobody would have paid you if you did ugly female nudes. Female beauty was pale skin, long hair and a certain plumpness which showed the woman had status and wealth, unlike peasants, hence why most look overweight, not masculine.

Michelangelo is just a terrible exception lol

>>41540853
I love how /fit/ is now shitposting with a single sentence about reading the sticky or dips are bad for your shoulders without any further development.

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>>41541187
I was just going to say this. In particular, a lot of the statues are flexing in a manner that humans physically cannot do. For example a number of the Riace Bronzes (of which OP's pic is part of) have the statues flexing both their backs and their pecs at the same time, not to mention their arms, legs, and torsos are far too long. The muscles along the Riace Bronzes' lower backs also don't exist (OPs picture isn't a good example of this, there's a vid on youtube about it though). Additionally, the grooves of the statues' abs and along his spine are inhumanly deep.

If you want an example of what I'm talking about as far as his proportions being odd, here one of the Riace's is after being removed from the Mediterranean.

>>41538523
>WHY DO THESE PHOTOSHOPPED PEOPLE LOOK SO GOOD!??!?!?
>WHY DO THESE ARTISTIC VERSIONS OF PEOPLE LOOK SO GOOD?!?!?!

Gee anon, I wonder if ancient models were also based on false realities...

>>41540491
Greeks were raging homosexuals, and objects of lust were twinks

Nothing changed.

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>>41541343
Notice how high his pelvis is in comparison to the other two. Also notice how longer his arms are, and how short is torso is.

Pic related is the Doryphoros boy, whose proportions are also noted. This was done by an anon here a few years ago by sight rather than actually measuring the statue, however.

>>41538523
>How were ancient Greeks so ripped and aesthetic?
They did the classic Pentathlon and nothing else, pretty much. Wikipedia that.

>>41540101
>They didn't look like that and that's a fact
Nah they probably did.

Once upon a time, I took it on me to use photoshop to measure the statues and their circumferences like chest, abs, biceps, etc.

Turns out they aren't really unrealistically built. In fact, most modern lifter are more muscular (but then again, modern lifters couldn't throw a javelin for 200 meters, the Greeks could, according to Seneca).

>>41539673
This. Many Greeks were certainly ripped, but the sculptors exaggerated their rippedness, in the same way that almost all kings and queens in the middle ages were painted as beautiful - they usually weren't all that, but you're not gonna depict your employer as ugly.

>>41540613
You had a literal muslim as president for 8 years, man. Just stop embarassing yourself just because you're fat and stupid.

>>41541359
Oh yeah, thanks, that was me.

>>41541359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bXH8BiC3ic
that freak has a high pelvis, too.
manlets when will they ever learn

>>41541395
>but then again, modern lifters couldn't throw a javelin for 200 meters, the Greeks could, according to Seneca)
According to me you're a fucking moron.

You have to believe it, because I said so just like Seneca a fucking well known historical romancer who made up bullshit all the time.

>>41538523
Greeks were manlets who weren't fit.
Northern Europeans on the other hand were all tall and strong as fuck, just look at vikings, saxons and ancient slavs

>>41541435
Oh, an American. With American education, I presume. It's crazy how you guys can have NASA and still be educated on the level of a kindergarten kid on average.

Really makes you think.

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>>41541451
>Northern Europeans on the other hand were all tall and strong as fuck, just look at vikings, saxons and ancient slavs
Lol.

by the way, the proportions aren't really unrealistic in Greek statues. There was this Italian guy who photoshopped modern clothing on the statues and they look pretty normal. Slightly athletic, but nothing big.

>>41541425
I'm no fan of obama but he was no muslim you fucking retarded eurocuck. america isn't saving your asses this time around. if Trump was smart he'll tell you all to go fuck yourselves when your cuck leaders realize they have fucked up. but it's too late.

>>41538546
>>41538597

Manual labor doesn't get you a body like that. I'm a mover and I do manual labor all day every day, it built some muscle but nothing close to pic. None of my coworkers look ahything close to that either

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Most of the highly-aesthetic sculptures are actually from the Reneissance, when people were culturally obsessed with the Antiquity and idealised it.

Pic related is an actual ancient statue, from around 310 BC.

>>41539623
you don't look liek that.
she was lying.

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>>41541592
>be a statue made of fucking marble
>get gyno anyway

>>41540180
>modern soldiers
>ripped
wot

>>41540551
Actually, those marble greek statues were very brightly colored in ...vivid...hues.
Fucking hideous, really.

>>41540219

It's funny how the real or implied poetic / artistic content of this thread has drawn out the lurking shitposting fatty neckbeards into full reee mode and denial of reality

A step too far for their coping mechanisms? There is a great deal of reality-as-viewed-from-my-weight going on from them. It's the whist and wonder conjured - it penetrates their chubby souls like a Thracian spear... causing much wailing and gnashing of teeth

then of course a lie down due to all the exertion over the keyboard and sweaty brow

In the future they're gonna watch action movies and ask why were western men so fit.
It's because that's what people like to look at, therefore that's what gets put on television, ads and movies.
Some old ass Greek isn't gonna make a statue that looks like shit when they valued masculinity and looking shredded.

>>41539578
>implying citizens did any amount of appreciable manual labor apart from perhaps a few craftsmen
They had slaves for all that shit. Citizens were largely speaking NEETs who devoted all their time to making their minds and bodies beautiful.

>>41538523
Unlike today nobody immortalized fat, weak and ugly people.

>>41541592
The statues in OP are from the 5th century BC, retard.

>>41539460
>have poor genes
>my ancient flaccid penis just flops around at full length for a person to chop off during combat or for an animal to bite off when hunting instead of retreating into the safety of my rock hard abdomen.

>>41541451
>>41541491
Yes, greek normies were malnourished manlets and not /fit/, the people who today we call slavs, nordics, germans etc. were possibly even larger back then than they are now, judging by some of the skeletal remains found in Northern Europe and west Eurasia, note that this is well-before "viking" culture or "slavic" culture or any of that.

>>41539578
>Would just fight a couple battles in the summer
Fucking summerfag casuals

>>41539578
Manual labour can absolutely give you a body close to that.

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These statues exaggerate their fitness. I'm not saying that ZERO greeks looked liked this, but very few did and it's almost certain that whoever commissioned this particular one was not.

The vast majority of the time, when they wanted to buy a statue, you would go to a sculptor and he would show you a bunch of headless bodies and you would pick the one you wanted most and he'd sculpt a head for it and fuse it on. That's why you have a lot of statues (both greek and roman) that broke off cleanly like pic related, because the glue didn't last.

>>41540469

unironically from jews and nigger "culture"

>>41540465
Ancient Greece wasn't a 3rd world country

>>41539631
This combined with the fact that Greeks were quite aware of growers vs showers. A large flaccid but only slightly larger erect penis was not only considered shameful and sloppy looking, but also a potential liability in a fight. Smaller flaccid but robust erect was considered ideal, they actually wrote about this kind of stuff.

>>41538523
they only sculpted the finest models and if it was an emperor it was probably idealized to promote a certain image. They did believe in having strong physical health but they were all probably dyel manlets by today's standards

>>41540056
My gf is offering to let me do butt stuff this weekend for my birthday, and apparently she's actually pretty into it, texting me saying she can't wait for me to fuck her tight little ass. Pretty hyped desu

>>41541577
do you eat clean?

>>41541577
stop eating mcdonalds

>Do hard labour without modern or even medieval technology to assist
>eat a high protein diet of lamb, Greek yogurt and boy cum all day
>have test levels significantly higher than a modern man
>be a manlet

>>41543927
same retarded sour grapes as 2ch posts about how "it's all about how hard it gets" desu

>>41544326
Just read about Ancient Greek aesthetics by ancient Greeks. They go on about penises entirely too much. It's hilarious. And that anon is correct.

>>41544300
>have test levels significantly higher than a modern man
What? There is literally no way to measure the test levels of ancient greeks.

>>41542153
I thought only the roman marble copies were colored and the greek originals were all on bronze

>>41542301
>ALL citizens were rich enough to have slaves and literally never had to do any manual labor
those were spartans anon
>>41542633
lol no it can't. you're one of those guys that think brick layers are stronger than someone who deadlifts 4 pl8s? most people who do manual labor look like shit. AT MOST they have above average delts and traps from carrying shit around

>>41544300
>without modern or even medieval technology to assist
lmao yeah, because the egyptians just put the blocks on their backs and threw one over the other to build the pyramids

>>41538523
remember that ancient people were manlets so they looked bigger

>>41540898
this is basically the portuguese diet/cuisine, especially the south/algarve

source: I live there

>>41544033
They've done studies on the depth of grooves in the bones of famous athletes and what not, and by measuring such things they were able to determine that they were as strong as the best athletes of today. They were citizen-soldiers, and probably fairly ripped in general, with the most ripped ones looking like the pre-steroids strongmen of the last century. But yes, they were generally manlets.