Are deadlifts even needed for bodybuilding ? Cons- >hard

it's fun to be strong and pick up a lot of weight though

>>41437844
Autism: The Post

it's a great mass builder, you're just a pleb who can't appreciate juicy af spinal erectors and thinks back is just lats

>>41437844
>>bad for lower back even with perect [sic] form

Idiot.

>>41437844
if the goal is size alone there is not a single necessary exercise

but saying deadlifts aren't a great mass builder is silly, you're probably just weak and don't do enough volume

IDK for you all, but ever since I started focusing on deadlift strength I got thiccer and put on some mass.

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I'm still not convinced based based on Anecdotal accounts, mainly eating.

After a full body workout I eat like king. However, after deadlifts are incorporated, I eat as if I am a man twice my size, often extending into my rest days.

I'm talking rediculous amounts, like 2 chipotle burritos in one sitting. Entire pizzas, etc...

>>41437844
I think heavy deads are a waste. but high rep deads are good for keeping your back in shape.

Sometimes I look forward to them because it can be invigorating to pick up so much weight, and sometimes I dread them because they're so damn exhausting. I'm a noob tho.

>>41437883
Literally oposite for me but each to their own mate

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>>41437844
A lot of bodybuilders deadlift, its good for packing on size, but I'm sure its not 100% necessary.

Also, as an aside, anyone have a good upper back exercise? I just do deadlifts for my whole back.

>>41437844
>cons
>hard

kys

>>41437952
..rows, pull-ups.

>>41437844
they are fun

being strong is fun

Having nice joocy glutes is nice

few people get a big deadlift without also getting a big back so stop worrying about your rows

>>41437982
i do 5 pull-ups 2x a week, but it does not seem to do anything, anyone know what rep ranges/weights i should do?

>>41438001
whoops meant to say 50* as in 5x10

>>41437952
>i do dead lift for me whole back

Jesus christ
>pull ups (weighted)
>barbell row
>dumbell row
>cable row

Only deadlifts for back is shit tier, for any muscle above waist they are awful (yes they barely work traps) do barbell shrugs.

>>41438009
Same. I'm going to try adding them in at the beginning of every workout.

Wish I had a chin up bar at home.

>>41437952
>even arnold wasnt built for deads

Only manlets were built to dead, its very uncomfortable for any tall person even being flexible.

>>41438009
>>41438001
5x10 is good

maybe changing one of the pull-up days to 3/5x5 with added weight, that did wonders for me

>>41438036
alright, will try.

Why does everyone get so defensive about deadlifts ?

easily most over rated lift of all time

I replaced heavy deadlifts with RDLs for high reps.

You can progress on your DL just by squatting anyways, if I decide to go back I'm sure I'll still be strong at it.

>>41438035
Oh ok, I guess that's why all the greatest deadlifters in the world like Benny Magnusson, Konstantiv Konstaninovs, Brian Shaw, Eddie Hall, Pete Rubish, Misha Koklayev, Zydrunas Savickas and Hafthor Bjornson are all manlets.

Oh wait no

>>41438051

jf anything bench is

>>41437844
>>hard
>a con
lmao

>>bad for lower back even with perfect form
That's just not true at all

>>vanity lifting to show MUH STRENGTH
>implying bodybuilding is not one of the most vain activities of all

deadlifting used to be my all time favorite exercise. Along the way I lost motivation for like, 6 months and just started getting back into lifting and I don't have any desire to deadlift again. I just row/facepull/pullups nowadays and actually want to workout again

I don't buy the argument that deads lead to overall muscle development. It seems like every guy and their mother can "deadlift 450". Yet a lot of these guys do not have impressive physiques. Also they put an unnecesary amount of strain on the lower back, really seems like an injury-inducing lift. After tweaking my back too many times I'm only gonna go light, like 2 plates, for reps.

>>41438208
Adding onto this, absolutely the most adrenaline inducing, fun lift you can do when you start hitting above 4.5 plate but anything less and it's just meh to me now. Not worth the effort putting into getting back and beyond that point

>>41438035
Ironically the best deadlifters are lanklets due to their long ass fucking limbs.

You are wrong.

>>41437844
>because you are a wimp
>wrong
>you aren't doing enough volume. and dls are great for building up raw power
>refer to meme arrow 1

>>41437844
>tfw never see any of the big guys in my gym (myself inlcuded) doing them anyway

This probably means you look like shit.

>>41438222
>if their biceps aren't bigger from it then it doesn't lead to muscle growth

fuck off retard

>>41438222
>After tweaking my back too many times I'm only gonna go light, like 2 plates, for reps.
Same

>>41438301
where did i mention biceps, dimwit?

Conventional deadlifts are worthless for mad mass, just do Romanian Deadlifts for developing the posterior chain.

>>41437879
High volume = a one way express trip to SnapCity.

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>>41438348
Jesus christ, how on earth did you manage to pack so much broscience into a single sentence?

>>41438386
>snapping your back with 1 pl8 diddys

>>41438347
do people lift naked at your gym? how do you know their muscles aren't developed, faggot?

>>41438035
Arnold is 1.88 m

>>41437844
arnie did them

that's good enough for me

>>41438422
he's 1.82 at most.

there are tons of better examples of tall men deadlifting huge amounts of weight

>>41438387
RDLs
>High volume and time under tension because you have to do the reps very slow
>It's based on the strech in the glutes and hamstrings and the microtearing of muscle fibres is the main drive for hypertrophy
>Due to point one it's an excellent isometric work for the lower back (the whole core really) and that is the best way to train it
>Again due to point one you are at least risk of an injury because you have to keep constant proprioception on your back

>>41438387
he's basically right
If someone told me he only wants to do natural bodybuilding I'd advise against heavy deadlifts and towards RDLs in a moderate rep range.

to stay on topic: Deadlifts, while a great posterior chain builder, aren't necessary for hypertrophy goals alone.

>what is a trap bar

>>41438483
What are the main differences between
the two types of dead lifts?

>>41438386
you're stupid and weak

Do you need deadlifts? No.

Do they help? Yes.

I like doing barbell lifts because they cut down on how much time I have to spend in the gym, but you can achieve the same physique/strength with other exercises.

>>41438454
>tut means jack shit for actual growth
>microtearing your musclefibers through overload on conventional deadlifts is just as effective if volume is correctly managed
>see ^
>this is bullshit as you are more likely to get fatigued and lift sloppy


Don't get me wrong, RDLs are great, but they aren't better than conventional. They're just more hamstring specific.

Conventional DL will give you the best proportioned physique, being an isolation monkey is not the way to go.

>deadlift hits ~70% of all the muscles in the body
>is deadlift good for bodybuilding
fuckin retard go waste 2 hours on doing isolations

>>41437844
I do deadlifts because along with strength I legitimately enjoy doing them.

If you don't like deadlifting you're a pussy faggot.

>>41438646
I said better for hypertrophy not better in all aspects

So far the pro's for deadlift brought up inthis thread are:
>i like doing them
>you're a pussy if you don't like doing them
Solid arguments lads

Deadlift is a shitty exercise. Do it if you enjoy it

>>41438222
I think it depends on your genetics more than anything in terms of deadlifting. I never train my neck isolated ever, only through deadlifts my neck is as big as Tom Hardys in "Warrior", so I don't need for that muscle part any isolation because deadlifting is more than enough for my body.

>>41438035
Dude diddlies are easier the longer limbs / shorter torso you have. You're literally retarded.

>>41438839
But it's not even better for hypertrophy. It all comes down to volume management.

>>41438683
>chest ad delts
>tris and bis
>calves
these things dont get any gains from dl and are important for bodybuilding.
traps, lats and forearms get hit but not that much.

ronnie coleman himself said he only dls to get his lower back thicker, not for lats or traps or whatever you people want to call a used musce during dl

>>41438454
This. I prefer sldl or rdl over dl for same reason. I run them for sets like every other lift.

>>41438194
wow. I think you are right, never thought about this.
I like squats the most but deadlifting is fun. I enjoy it a lot, and I feel my traps and forearms being worked as well.

>>41438574
Romanian deadlift or straight/stiff leg deadlift start at top of lift and bar never sits dead on floor. I typically deadlift bar to starting point, do lift, then set back down

>>41438947
wow if ronnie coleman said it it must be true

I guarantee you are a dyel, deadlifts thicken up the back a lot. You only need to get strong at them

They even hit the biceps isometricly lmao. The only thing that doesnt get hit are the chest, triceps and delts

>>41437844
im might be biased but i know 6 guys personally who diddlyd over 200kg (4 1/2 plates) and all of them have spinal problems with their lower back. They all told me they watched their form but sometimes you just fuck up.

Anybody care to show with statistics that heavy deadlifting is not extremely dangerous ?

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>>41437844
> Cons
> hard

>>41438035
Brian shaw at 6.8 would like to have a word with you.

Side note Brian shaw claims he values a man at his deadlift. He calls it the best lift there is.

>>41439097
don't bother, it is just as all heavy lifting is if you don't watch your form. Deadlift seems to have the highest incidence rate though, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnqggNm7g0Q

I can deadlift 4 plates without any gear (no chalk, belt, straps, etc.), using a regular grip (not hook).

I just keep on doing 405 for 5x5 on every deadlift session.

Is this bad? I have no desire to push further or increase my deadlifts. They're pretty easy now.

>>41439097
>sometimes you just fuck up

yeah I bet they didn't realize their stabilizer muscles or core were too weak for the heavy lift. I injured my lower back squatting even when being very strict about my form. I realized it was simply because some other muscle groups gave out when I tried to push a max. It doesn't matter how good form is if your core/butt/lower back give out from not being strong enough. If youre aware of any muscle imbalances and train your weaknesses then deadlifting cannot harm you. This is true for any major lift though. You can injure your shoulders benching if your back is incredibly weak in comparison to your chest. Ric flair at the age of 67 still deadlifts 4 pl8 to reduce his back pain.

>>41439225
If I were to get to your point, Id just increase the reps

>>41437952
> a good upper back exercise
front squats, california etc

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>>41438001
Once you can do 5x10 then add 5 lbs in a backpack.

Work your way back up to 5x10, then add 5 more lbs. Rinse and repeat.

Also on Mondays i do standard pullups. Wednesdays i do chinups. Fridays I do neutral grips. That way you are targeting different areas of muscles.

My lats have fucking exploded over the past year

If you don't DL, you'll never be T H I C C

Doesn't it work your core? I don't like doing sit ups and shit like that.

It's also good for posture ain't it? Anterior pelt fixer.

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>>41438683
Ok i will, and i'll still look better than you

>>41437844
>Cons
>hard

Stopped reading right there. Please kys weakling

>>41438915
ofcourse it's better for hypertrophy.
the hamstrings are used through a larger range of motion.

also, you can do more volume on RDLs/SLDLs than regular deadlifts because they're less fatiqueing.

>>41438222
>After tweaking my back too many times
You have bad form. Doesn't mean the lift is garbage, just means you're garbage.

I'm just shit at deadlifts I think

>watch videos online
>every guy showing them is a manlet
>ROM is like two feet from the ground all the way up
>able to keep chest up without going down like a "Squat" which they all say to avoid

>>41440358
>weakling

See>>41440342 and please by all means post yourself sweetie :)

I know more people who took a trip to snap city from weighted pull-ups then deadlifts

>>41440471
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>implying

>>41440471
What how? Seems one of the safer lifts

>>41440594
because hes lying

>>41440471
How

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>>41437844

>Is mastering a lift that engages 90% of my bodies musculature with high intensity even needed for building every muscle on my body as much as possible?

>>41438627
Most sensible post in the thread

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>>41438892
>longer limbs / shorter torso
Long arms, relatively short legs and long torso is the ideal deadlift build.

eg.

>>41437844
>never see any of the big guys in my gym (myself inlcuded)
lmao

No they're not needed. Should you be doing some sort of pulling? Yeah but a conventional DL off the floor is not required at all.

>faggots itt want to stare at each other

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>99 calories
>24g protein

Why the FUCK has no one told me about shrimp? This is some fucking god tier cutting food.

>>41437844
This faggot preaching abour vanity lifting when he literally lifts for vanity.

>Deadlift is a M.E.M.E

havent you heard? They are useless.

>>41437844
lmfao this is such bs
ive heard multiple bodybuilders of all experience ranges say that bench and heavy compounds contribute the most to density and overall development
regardless of if its in a smith or not

>>41438035
What..the opposite is true. I'm 6'4 and was deadlifting 4 plate after like 8 months of lifting. I find most tall people can deadlift quite a bit due to longer limbs. Squats are a fucking bitch

>>41442217

Fish is stupidly protein dense. The tilapia I made yesterday had 24g of protein for every 110 calories. Fish is great period.

>>41442217
Pls give some recipes and tell me how to eat it

>>41442903
yeah I do a pound of salmon x 3 times a week

90 grams protein, 60 grams mct oil fat and 0 grams of carbs.

Try to beat those macros anywhere

>ctrl + f rack pulls
>0 results

what the...?

I've grown my back from rack pulls below the knee just as much as when I was doing deadlifting. Just add in more leg / glute work and you're fine

>>41440342
uhhh but you're black?

>>41437844
It translates well into the clean part of the C&J which is my favourite lift.

>>41438348
I'm doing fullbody 3x per week, usually squat 2-3 times per week. How often should I do RDLs?

The only problem I have with the deadlift is never being sure if my chest is pushed out enough when crouching. Seems fucking impossible to push it out more, honestly.

My form is probably shit.

I stopped deadlifting, and started squatting and rowing more. My back development is better and I've gotten consistently stronger in all of my other lifts due to being less fatigued all the time.

Deadlifting is fun, and I think it teaches you valuable movement patterns while also building strength, but there are other exercises that are better. I will always advocate more squatting over deadlifting, and directly targeting the hamstrings alongside that. Back work should be every session anyway instead of just deadlifting (pull-ups, rows, extensions and so on).

>>41438845
Also all the other pros which you can eloquently ignore if you want because you like to.

>>41437952
>Bodybuilders do it for size...

>>41437906
>>41437883
Anecdotes about how they were used to put on mass.

>>41438627
They save on time, being a compound lift.

I mean, these don't have to be arguments for deadlift. They just prove that you're full of shit.

>>41439097
it's called starting strength/texas method syndrome.
cuz muh fullbody movement trains all muscles equally, fuck training abs, glutes, lowback cuz muh fullbody.

Nothing is necessary when it comes to bodybuilding.

>>41438012
>DL barely build traps
wot? they're not the best but barely? c'mon dyel

>>41445586
For bonus points do high rep low weight snatch grip deads at the end of deadlift workouts.

>>41437844
>>vanity lifting to show MUH STRENGTH

This is the only real reason to do them, which is to say there is no reason.

>>41437844
Pros:

They're fun as fuck

>>41442870
>squats are a bitch
>having long femurs
What's it like to be an unathletic shitter? That's not even ideal for deadlifts (you would probably be stronger pulling sumo)

Also, when will you shitters learn, it's proportions, not absolute height.

>>41440342
looking good

I am a lanklet and deadlifts have made my back and traps juicy as fucc

>>41437844
deadlifts will transform ur body, u become alot thicker and ur upper back muscles pop out more, highly recomended bro even zyzz did them.

>>41446064
yeah and where did that get him? (dead)

>>41437844

I don't know what gym you're goin to, but at mine all the huge dudes deadlift heavy as fuck

>>41437933
I've always found squats to be way more exhausting.

>>41437844
My max deadlift was only 410lbs, but as someone who moved to PPL/PPL from intermediate strength routines that include no deadlifting I haven't really noticed a difference. I'm sure if I deadlifted now, it would be a hell of a lot weaker, but now with weighted chins/pull-ups, pull downs, rows etc my back hasn't looked bigger. I'd even go a step further and say overall I'm weaker on the big lifts, but as for my body, it hasn't ever looked larger. Strange how that works.

I still do other compounds, bench, OHP, squat, etc and I will have strength days where I keep my sets to 5 or so, as strength helps drive progress on hypertrophy days, but I haven't noticed anything detrimental to my training by removing deadlifts.

For those wondering why I even dropped it in the first place, I was in a nasty motor collision and my hip hasn't ever been the same - it has, according to a chiropractor, shifted somewhat, but as its not life threatening (thanks socialist healthcare) following that my back tweaks everytime I diddylift. I bruised my discs several times through my persistance but it was time to call it a day.

Anyways, for those lifting for aesthetics/recreationally and for non-competitive athletes I'd argue from my personal experience it hasn't made a great deal of difference. I'm sure it would be a different story at a higher level of training however. You should never drop deadlift if you can help it.

>>41446822
>My max deadlift was only 410lbs, but as someone who moved to PPL/PPL from intermediate strength routines that include no deadlifting I haven't really noticed a difference. I'm sure if I deadlifted now, it would be a hell of a lot weaker, but now with weighted chins/pull-ups, pull downs, rows etc my back hasn't looked bigger. I'd even go a step further and say overall I'm weaker on the big lifts, but as for my body, it hasn't ever looked larger. Strange how that works.

you mean to tell me you've been training and your body is bigger now then it was in the past? wow, crazy how that works indeed.

>>41437952
heavy ass yates rows

>>41439097
I know a good few 300kg+ deadlifters and a lot of 200kg+ deadlifters. The only ones with regular injuries are the roiding ones.

>>41447018
If you read the post properly it says he's bigger despite getting weaker, faggot.

>>41437952
pullups/chinups, rows of any kind, facepulls (rear delts) and rack pulls (traps)

you dont have to do all of them but I would definitely do some form of vertical and some form of horizontal pulling. facepulls and rack pulls are optional if you want to specifically improve either area in my opinion.

>>41438194
I dont get why so many people dislike the bench nowadays, it's pretty much all I do for chest (flat barbell and dumbbell bench and rarely flies) and chest is my best bodypart. maybe it's just genetics but I have never had problems with the bench it works amazing for me.

>>41439097
I think the secret to not injuring yourself is simply to not max out too often. A lot of guys with good DL numbers max out all the time because of their ego and that seems pretty dangerous to me especially if you are grinding it out all the time.

Just lower the weight and do more reps or even more sets, nothing wrong with a bunch of heavy triples or something like that but if you start to really grind your reps just stop it's not worth it.

>>41437844
Needed? Absolutely not and most people who go on a split to focus on bodybuilding drop the lift altogether.

1. Yeah it's hard, but so is any other major compound lift if you can lift any kind of significant weight.
2. It does put sheer forces on your back but it's really not dangerous though, even if you do it for years. Rippletits used to pull 600+, is in his 60s now and still pulling 500 and his back is fine.
3. They do build mass though, just not in the back like everyone claims for some reason. They mostly build your glutes and hamstrings. The traps and lats get some activation but you can get way more gains in those areas from doing face pulls and pullups.
4. True, which is why you should do your lower body compounds after your upper body compound lifts, if you go full body.

>>41447122
>The traps and lats get some activation but you can get way more gains in those areas from doing face pulls and pullups

you mean rack pulls and pullups right ? because none of those you mentioned really build the traps.

>>41447063
doesnt mean shit you fucking idiot, hes weaker on one specific lift because he hasnt been doing it, thats how most movements work,

>>41447137
High rep facepulls have built my lower and mid traps pretty good, but I guess rackpulls might actually be better. I wouldn't know, I'm not allowed to do them or I'm getting kicked out of the gym for doing too much noise and egolifting. Fucking nazi PTs.

>>41437844
they are pretty important for your posterior chain though.

Nigger

>>41447356
>Overall I'm weaker in the bigger lifts.

Thought I'd highlight that to prove the post isn't just speaking specifically on the deadlift. Hopefully you'll read posts more carefully in the future before you spout your smartass passive aggressive comments.

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Powerlifts are a meme.

>>41447721
I guess pic not related? Have a link to the study? I'd like to read more about it.

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>>41437844

>not a great mass builder despite myths

lmao try lifting heavier pussy

>>41441553
>Long torso is the ideal deadlift build

Nigger what

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>>41437844
> if you aren't lifting for strength
what did he mean by this?

>>41441553
>room full of fat people
>everyone is fat
>peddling some snake oil preworkout
>hey kids, buy this preworkout and you can look just like us!
i bet they went bankrupt

>>41437860
This guy gets it. Congrats friend, you made it.

>>41447918
>diet is the most important aspect of achieving the body you want
>supplements: no creatine
god damn zyzz was such a lying faggot. he jumped on roids from day one and passed it off with the "just work hard and eat right, brah" bullshit.

i can't believe you faggots still post his shit 5 years later. he would still have been in dyel mode if he wasn't juicing

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>>41438386

>>41438194


Idk I used to hate Bench but honestly it offers the most bang for your buck in terms of strength and size for you upper body. Doing work sets with standard grip and back off sets with CG is hard to beat.

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>not doing the superior deadlift

It's like you hate hip drive

>>41440342
meh. this is the same body that any bro splitter gets after 2yrs of lifting and a slightly strict diet. Also compared to your chest and arms your core looks shamefully underdeveloped. Also
>lifting purely for aesthetics and not personal enjoyment, strength, or a sport

>>41440468
>having an above average body=/=you're not a pussy
lmao. If you think "hard" is a con then you are a pussy

>>41438329
>>41438222
You're both retards with bad form. Just like people who don't squat because it "puts too much strain on your knees and spin". No retard, it's just that you're either doing it wrong or lifting too heavy for your current level.

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>>41437844
>if you aren't lifting for strength.

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>>41437844
>Cons-
>>hard

>>41448606
there's nothing wrong about that post, you can get big without a big DL - upper body difference isn't even there and posterior chain just has to be replaced with a variation

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>be me, duddly at lmao4pl8
>joocy ass, get compliments every time I take my pants off
>decent traps for a guy my size
>solid hams
>mfw I only do rows and deadlifts for my back and posterior

>>41439128
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>>41439211
UP NEXT: BICEP TEAR COMPILATION
>tfw rushing to click cancel

>tfw arms are perfect length to smash bar into dick and balls on conventional

sh-should i switch to sumo brehs?

Also for those that work them for volume, how do you do so? I'd imagine it takes a pretty drastic drop in weight and being a cutting manlet and all I'll probably look silly

>>41448643
>posterior chain just has to be replaced with a variation
Recommend good deadlift alternatives for this pls

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>>41442952
Not him, but I just made this last night

turned out pretty good and you can just use whole wheat spaghetti for the same shit, gonna last me 5 days

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>>41449101
>making a weekly cauldron of gains to eat all week long
Glad to see I'm not the only one about that goblin life

>deadlifts are dangerous for lower back.

No evidence of this in anyone who lifts heavy.
Prove otherwise.

>>41439113
Deadlifts are life, just look at his face. You'll cum buckets doing them.

>>41437844
Wait wtf nigger are you actually telling me to drop deadlifts and do heavy ass barbell rows for lower back safety?

>>41449078
Volume=/=rep range
You can simply do more sets.

Let's say you're doing 3*5 at 160kg right now. If you feel like that's not enough volume, you can start doing 6*4 using the same weight. That's 24 total reps instead of 15. No drop in weight used.

But remember, deadlifts tap into your recovery A LOT. Unless you're above say 4pl8 (depebding on your weight/height), 1*5 a week top set is probably enough.

>>41449097
RDL, STDL, hyperextensions, hamcurls

>>41446822
>chiropractor
>chiropractor
JFC anon see a real doctor

>>41442217
AYY WE EATIN SHRIMP TONIGHT BOIS

>>41449078
Also, unless you're going to compete, I don't think there's a reason to switch to sumo.

You might be able to pull more weight, but the musculature used in the movement is a lot more similar to squat, especially of you have a favourable build for it. In my experience, it interferes with squat training a lot and your posterior chain/hams will fall behind.

>>41449187
>STDL
What does this stand for?

>>41438584
Please be bait.
Deads take a lot out of the body because they're (a) heavy and (b) use almost everything. High volume deads IS a ticket to snap city. Send us a postcard when you get there.

>>41442217
because they are an expensive protein source.

>>41449246
sexually transmitted disease lifts

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>>41449101
>italian aux cables

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>>41448327

Lmao stay jelly nerd

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>>41447918
>I have never done cardio before. While I agree it is good for your heart
zyzz why

>>41437844
probably not. deadlift once a week for a few sets once you reach 300-400 pounds. after that it's just retarded.

>>41437844
>>bad for lower back even with perect form
exsqueeze me?

>>41448494
Can someone redpill me on this.

Anyone notice how deadlifts give a thick barrel core or am I talking broscience

>>41449250
Solid form heavy deads aren't snap city until you start reaching strongman territory.

>>41449250
I think I'll trust Boris Sheiko, Chad Wesley Smith, Dietmar Wolf, and Greg Nuckols over you, you clueless weak faggot