Are steroids actually as dangerous and life-threatening as my

>>41208091
Name one person who has died from steroid overdose.

>>41208112
Didn't Arnold have a heart attack because of steroids?

>>41208112
Not sure anyone has been quite that stupid. Although in all likelihood some curlbro has.

The problem is not overdose, but chronic side effects.

These can be lessened and controlled through the use of a brain.
Drug use and drug abuse are different things.
Few drugs are terrible for you when used. Most drugs have dangerous consequences associated with their abuse.

Your mom is certainly a faggot. I saw her in the park after dark blowing a circle of vagrants.

>>41208153
Heart attack shit was a hoax. He did have surgery on a valve due to congenital defect. Roids has never done anything bad for him, but he also had great coaches.

>>41208174
/thread. Drug use in moderation isn't very dangerous, only once you start using way too much.

>>41208091
Zyzz died

>>41209404
a lot of people with heart conditions die in saunas

>>41208112
Rich Piana

>>41208112
Zyzz

Didnt Chris Benoit kill his family cus of roid rage?

>>41208174
>Few drugs are terrible for you when used.
I dont think iv ever read something as stupid as this on /fit/ in a long time

Well done

>>41210028
He had CTE

>>41208091

>Pharmaceutical testosterone prescribed by a doctor with semi regular blood tests?

Literally no danger. You'll be as healthy or healthier than the average man, with a wider gap the older you get.

>Chinese bathtub test and designer androgens from /roid/ sources

Genuinely dangerous, in the same respect that all illegal drugs are dangerous -- made by hobbyist chemists with questionable purity. You're injecting that shit right into muscle. Lots can go wrong if they shipped contaminated gear.

>>41210084
>Chinese bathtub test and designer androgens from /roid/ sources
What if it's pharmaceutical grade, and imported from countries where it's legal?

>>41208091
No but hgh or roids or something causes heart issues, and if I remember correctly using roids causes you muscles to grow faster than tendons can adapt you need to take something else to help offset that might have been hgh or something similar

>>41208112
>>41209803
>Rich Piana

This. Nadrolone made him insane

>>41210084
>Literally no danger.
Literally retarded. Doctor's will even tell you there are still risks involved, including enlarged heart and prostate.

>>41208091
check out the documentary called Bigger Stronger Faster. Good documentary about steroids

>>41210037
You can smoke meth once a month, and nothing bad will happen to you.
Same with heroin.
Steroids are 100x safer, and if you pct and take time off, nothing bad will happen.

Think about it like this:
Why would you take steroids?
Do you want a competitive edge?
Help your career?
Do you want to look good?
If its because you want to look good you seriously don't need steroids. You can look fantastic without steroids, and at 1/2/3/4 for your lifts and sub 10% bf your gonna look jacked to most normies.

But if you still want to take them they won't kill you, honestly if you are smart about it and do it through a trained medical professional you'll be fine. Just don't be a retard and listen to people online and buy Chinese bathtub chemicals from the dark web.

>>41211254
It feels awesome to be on steroids.
When you plateau, steroids can break it
It feels good to gain strength and size rapidly as a non beginner.
Literally no negative sides if done properly
Less than $200/ year for 3 decent cycles/ year
Its fun injecting stuff, makes me feel like a doctor.

>>41209404
dat was clen + coke overdose in the sauna

>>41209818
>>41211604

>>41211301

you're a moron if you think there are no negative sides

>>41208091
HGH is fantastic for putting on muscle mass and increasing recovery speed from your workout. In moderation, there are very few dangerous side effects. The problems start when people can't stop. Their original goal with HGH was to get extra muscle and get ripped, but they get addicted to looking amazing, and it goes from being a step up to being a crutch.

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>>41211850
He said once a month. That picture you posted clearly says meth abuser. Meaning your using it so much to the point where you have a dependence. Nobody builds a physical dependence using stimulants once a month, and if they did everyone I know would be a tweaker.

>>41211301
>Less than $200/ year for 3 decent cycles/ year
500mg of Test E a week for 12 weeks, with an AI and PCT is gonna cost more than $200.

>>41211829
Where to get legit hgh plz muh doctor won't recommend meh and the sites I been on seem sketchy af

>>41211850
Adderall

>>41208091
>telling your Mom about your cycle

Do you tell her when you have sex too?

>>41212365
HGH is really expensive. I think 12IU is around 300 dollars.

large & growing body of research showing steroid use structurally alters the heart

theres a large body of research supporting that, just go type it into google scholar if you wanna insist "le no problems from le steronz xD" meme.

100% proven risk of infertility anytime you do a cycle.

100% proven to increase bad cholesterol and reduce good cholesterol.

growing body of research showing anabolcis are implicated in fatty liver disease & are generally hepatoxic.

you're being a faggot for thinking about using steroids. disgusting

>>41212420
>all this bitching with no source
retard

>>41211215
very few people does heroin only once and there are drugs that are dangerous even if you do them only once a month like mdma, but try to convince me that doing coke once a month for years is not unhealthy

>>41208112
Zyzz.

>>41211301
Now I know that you don't even roid. You can't get that shit that cheap.

>>41208112
Andreas Munzer
https://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/content/death-bodybuilder?page=3

However, steroids are fine if you use (not abuse) them and monitor your health.

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>>41212625
He did not die from steroids much less steroids alone.

You have to understand he was using diuretics and was the most shredded man of all time.

The top bodybuilders and in general athletes use PEDs that even many pros do not touch. Cheque drops, amphetamines, sedatives, et cetera...

Drugs are a trade. You trade the benefit for the side effects. Obviously people react differently.

Here's Munzer's dead body (I think it's his). Gotta respect him. Gonna get so much pussy in the mummy afterlife.

>>41212468

lets be real, if you aren't even able to google research on steroids you won't read/understand any study I link you.

They wont kill you but they may make you wish you were dead. If you mess up the PCT or if your body doesnt recover, you are gonna suffer from lowered test-levels for months or even years.

Your search to cure your autism already made you a slave to fitness, dont let it lead you to drugabuse.

>>41212673
Diuretics don't cause an enlarged heart, cysts on testicles, liver tumors, among other things Andreas had. Please actually read the article before spouting bullshit.

>>41208091
Test, tren, var, winny, that's one thing. But stay the fuck away from creatine (ESPECIALLY monohydrate). That shit will fucking kill you where you stand if you OD by even a gram. Listen to your mom

>>41212710
So you spew nonsense and WE have to factcheck for you when you could provide the source instead?
Ok lazy cunt

the only steroid I'm interested in is DNP and of course its the most dangerous

>>41210028
Kid should have tapped out

>>41212420
I've done three cycles. You're pretty infertile on cycle unless you take ... Ask /fraud/ I forget cause I don't take it
But after you pct your balls and fertility come back. I have a pregnant chick on my hands right now :/

>>41212866

Because you wouldn't read them, or if you did you'd look for 1 problem with the methodology and hand wave the entire thing like a classic 4 chinner.

e.g. article I just read of 20 year old with ventricular hypertrophy secondary to anabolic steroids.

Your reply would just be LOL N=1.

Assuming you weren't already too confused by the terms 'ventricular', 'hypertrophy', and 'n=1'

Sometimes it's just easier to not bother, and the fact you need somebody to explain to you that steroids have negative effects means you probably don't even have a background in fundamental biology.

Sorry babe.

>>41212741
Fuck off faggot I have read more on andreas than anyone else here in this thread

Rich piana has just as many symptoms of steroid use as Andreas. Nobody is saying steroids are like vegetables and yoga. Just shut the fuck up though if you think the average gymbro is gonna die from steroids. At worst they'll get so many side effects they'll lower their dose before they fuck themselves up permanently. Jason Genova, a literal retard, uses steroids and hasn't killed himself

>>41212949

Yeah, you're right in that most people will bounce back post cycle.

But the fact is you may not, and that's the reality with every single cycle no matter how 'mild' or how much pct you run.

98% of the time condoms work, likewise, 98% of the time you won't fuck your reproductive health up doing a cycle.

But it just takes one.

>>41212866

> sky is blue

[citation needed]

>>41213021
>doesn't refute claims with any evidence
>calls someone a faggot
>solid argument

Yep, checks out.

>>41213000
>Because you wouldn't read them
Because im not the same guy you replied to and i actually want to read up because id like to try steroids to build my body up (because im stuck in a rough patch) and i dont want to kill myself in the process

I know steroid abuse can cause enlarging of the heart, i dont know how common it is or how severe it is and frankly these arent the issues im worried about

I dunno what you mean by N=1, coming from a world of statistics N to me equals total sample size and sure, 1 isnt exacly an impressive size for a quantitative study but that doesnt mean it can be helpful

Also you have to admit that steroid use and abuse are far apart, i doubt your heart would swell to 2x size from simply doing 500mg of test for a 16 week period

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>>41213066

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&q=ventricular+enlargement+steroids&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=steroids+heart+enlargement&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=anabolic+steroids+cholesterol&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=anabolic+steroids+hepatotoxicity

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=anabolic+steroids+liver+function&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

Teach a man to fish.

Go forth and practice critical thinking & thinking for yourself.

>>41213155
Problem i have with this is the same as ive had with every discussing
Anabolic steroids are a wide term, extra testosterone is a roid and so is trenbolone.

>>41210468
That's just part of his ascension to a higher plane.

>>41213045
sky isnt blue you mongoloid. Wow, what a fucking retard

>>41213155
so not from ncbi? sure thing faggot, shove it up your anus

>>41212834
This, fucking creatine man, me and my friends used to experiment with this shit back in the day.. never again.

>>41213279

not sure if you're retarded or just never enrolled in a university course before.

going with both.

>>41213272

> https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/blue-sky/en/

It's in a child-friendly format so even a special boy like you can understand :).

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>>41208091
Google Andreas Münzer autopsy

>>41213045
Except that is easily verified by sticking your head out of the window. You cannot make the same obvious observation with roids. A false equivalence if I ever tasted one

>>41213598

Except, from the perspective of anybody with a bio/med background steroids having detrimental effects is as obvious as the sky being blue.

>>41209750
Name one

>>41213704
So you say, but you prove nothing. Saying that it's obvious for someone that is in the field of study is useless to us. We are not in that field of study, so we require some inkling of proof

>>41213743

I literally linked 5 different search criteria that have fistfuls of studies on hepatoxicity of anabolics, ventricular enlargement due to anabolics, liver function impairments due to anabolics, infertility due to anabolics.

What more evidence do you need you fat cunt?

Fuck you dumb cunts are irritating, did you not achieve higher than a high school education?

Do you not understand how to source information ON SHIT YOU PUT INTO YOUR OWN BODIES?

> P-pp--prove it

How about the fact that every 1st world nation on Earth prohibits the use of the drug because due to medical research that they've concluded there are side effects associated with the drug use?

Take your drugs if you want, but don't pretend there are no issues because you exist in a fucking echochamber of < 20 year old dropout wannabe bodybuilder cunts with the highest education achievement being a fucking high school certificate.

Don't even reply you sub 100 IQ mongoloid abbo fuck.

>>41213820
Calm yourself. I could not have known you were the same Anon who posted the searches.
I agree with you; there are many potential risks involved with roids. I have no delusion, but you are the worst person to convince anyone of anything. You write like a spiteful child, bucko. What did roids ever do to you?

>>41213307
pretty sure that explains why the SKY is really not blue.

What a fucking retard. Kill yourself

>>41213297
so no more source or rebuttals? Ok you could've said so. You might've got embarrassed even more

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>>41213820

Hepatotoxicity is almost exclusively limited to orals.

If you are using Test with proper AI and stay within physiological doses, the sides are minimal, especially if you aren't concerned with kids.

Everything is risk/reward. Anyone who thinks roids are 100% safe are retarded.

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>>41213704
>bio/med background
>grouping all """""""steroids""""""" as bad mmkay

You're a fucking mong if you think test enthanate and superdrol are going to have the same kinds of detrimental effects, but no let's stick with the DARE method of 'one marijuana is just as deadly as one heroin' and call it a day

>>41211829
uhhh no, hgh actually isnt
>fantastic
for putting on mass at all, thats literally its one far below average trait for exogenous hormones you larper, a 100iu kit from any worthwhile source will be above a grand at least

>>41212351
you're being overcharged

>>41213022
but it wont be me

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>>41208091
1. No point in doing just one cycle
2. Doing real doses is real Russian roulette
3. If you have low test, then doing TRT is good but won't give you anything if you have normal test

Yes, it's pretty fucking simple after all.

>>41217071
This. Plus you could easily get similar results with MK-677; no pins involved either.

>>41209404
funnily enough Zyzz died from his meme keto diet

clen contributed somewhat in putting him in a super dehydrated state and extreme ketosis

clen not a roid though... and known to be shit for your heart.. he shoulda just used dnp

There's a reason why roid heads are usually stupid fucks that get exhausted easily and die a premature death. Don't use steroids, moron.

>>41218001
There is nothing wrong with clen

I say if he stayed away from Coke and DNP he would have lived a normal lifespan

>>41217071
lol that is ridiculously overpriced

anyway, HGH + insulin + iff is the only way to put on real muscle (more muscle satellite cells)

no amount of test and tren etc will do anything except inflate and draw more water into your pre-existing muscle cells

>>41218016
you wot, m8

clean has extremely well documented negative effects on your heart

DNP doesn't

if you want to attribute zyzz death to something it is definitely to clem, not even to the coke he used

in fact the coke had absolutely nothing to do with it in comparison

he didn't die from an overstressed heart, like coke can do (shoot your heart rate though the rood)

he died from clen / no carbs diet and very likely some other diuretics as well

Do steroids make your dick smaller? Im already pretty small and dont have much to lose

>>41218084
This. Do people genuinely believe that clen is any safer than DNP? DNP is superior in every way if you don't have shit genetics and the .01% chance of getting cataracts.

>>41208091
>calling your mom a faggot

I don't think that's very nice at all, anon.