/fraud/ Steroids general

1st for 600mg a week

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Past half a year I've been in a rut and usually pulled an all nighter once a week cuz I'm NEET.

I was on track really good for almost a month now but I just woke up at 3:40pm in the afternoon so it looks like I'll probably just skip my workouts today and tomorrow to reset.

Thoughts?

If you're not on DNP fuck off you're a pussy.

What is considered a pretty low dosage of Dbol that wouldn't do much?

>>41206514
>Voluntarily missing workouts

Never ever gonna make it

>>41206514
Why not just gym in the evening phaggot

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>"don't worry brah just take 500 mg that's only slightly more than 2mg/lb nobody has died on that low of a dose"
>le 36 hour half life face
>le 1.5k accumulation face
>le dead

>>41206555
It's possible but I can't imagine how long it would take to get back on schedule like that

I could possibly go to the gym around 10pm...

>>41206571
I love how people say it cures cancer, it kills cancer cells. Something your immune system does already. However it releases enough free radicals to cause PN, something you get from years of drinking. I would have to imagine it causes healthy cell death aswell. Imagine what dnp does to your fucking heart.

>>41206727
stop being a little bitch

>>41206763
Stop being fat

>>41206727
Clem is more dangerous for your heart than DNP. It doesn't speed up heart rate or like clean or EC does.

I was recommended some kind of supplement to keep my blood pressure down while on superdrol but I cant remember the name of it, I think it was some kind of root. Any suggestions?

>>41206777
>not using DNP to get to single digit bf

You've probably never seen your abs

>>41206790
Aspirin

>>41206795
Post a pic lardass. If you have to use dnp to get abs you're fucking fat baka

>>41206790
Never mind I remeber now, it was Hawthorne Berry

>>41206795
Because there aren't plenty of fucking diets that are natural that will get you to single digit bodyfat in like 4 weeks without causing cancer and eating through muscle.

>6'4"
>172 lbs
>11.5% bf

biggest guy at the gym t b h

>>41206853
Please post what you think is single digit bodyfat tubby

>>41206853
It cures cancer

>>41206853
>>41206881
My bad nvm I thought you were saying there weren't diets that could get you low BF

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>>41206795
For you, I think a program like pic related will give u great results

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>>41206571
>mfw 1g ED 30th day levels
whatever it fucking takes lmao

>>41206879
Holocaust tier that's how much I weighed before I started lifting

>>41206891
Pls kys you absolute baboon

DNP separates boys from men.

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>>41205711
I take a shitload of DHTs and I only use keto shampoo e3d but I leave it in for a minute or so after it's sudsed up. I've always had some thinning on my right temple but none of my left which is kinda weird but I may pick up some minox to see if it'll come back.

>>41205316
Coinbase?

>>41206940
You're completely right. Only a impatient child takes dnp to cut only to put the weight back on afterwards because they're undisciplined.

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>>41206940
Haha nice DNP bro. Sorry to hear about those Erectile Dysfunction problems and your girlfriend left you but at least you got that trophy body for 2 days out of the season!

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>>41206881
Actually, I am pretty fat desu. Why do you think I know so much about DNP?

>>41206968
what do you notice from 100mg proviron?

>>41206968
Are you the guy that's on a ton of proviron? Mirin genes

I'm not even sure if I'm shedding. Adding compounds make my brain go "I might lose hair" and then I'm constantly checking if it really happens

>>41206995
>>41206986
Did a shredded guy on DNP fuck your gf or something?

>>41207048
A nice boner

Also some water sheds

Maybe some sense of wellbeing but it's really hard to compare how you normally feel

>>41207068
I don't have a gf hahahahaha

WINNY VS ANAVAR for lean bulk faggots?

>>41207068
Did you know your cum turns yellow because there is DNP in it? So your jizz can actually raise your girlfriends metabolism. Great way to get her to cut down on weight without even saying anything.

is DHT a useful steroid?

would rubbing DHT cream on ur dick before ur done puberty make it bigger

would injecting DHT into ur delt be a good pre workout (powerful androgen that releases fast) and probably cheaper than cheque drops?

>>41207082
A DNP alpha stole her away? It's okay brah there's many fish in the sea.

>>41207098
yeah if you don't mind being bald at 25

>>41207068
2 different people but I've used dnp before. It's poison and pointless for 99% of people. I could see a pro using it but I can guarentee even Ronnie or Heath don't touch the shit.

>>41206618
Sorry didnt know there was a new thread

>>41207118
Ronnie doesn't even touch his autistic yesss buddie preworkout

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I fraud because I don't place any value on my life and wouldn't mind if I dropped dead

>>41206692
wtf how autistic are you m8?

just go to the gym this evening and go at the normal time tomorrow?

how is this so hard?

>>41207087
Sdrol.

>>41207087
Tren it up pucciboy. 500 surplus will make you gain lean mass as well as keeping you hard and dry.

>>41207202
stop

tfw tren + DNP + Clen + EC stack with TRT test dose

>>41207343
clen AND ec
Say hello to that heart attack for me at 50

>>41207135
whoops neither did I. check old one for related reply, can't adequately quote cross thread on this POS phone

>>41207349
>wanting to be old

NORMIE

>>41207366
yep got it. thanks for your input man

in the other thread i just asked how BCAA would interract with Yohimbine in terms of
insulin?

I usually take BCAA with fasted cardio, is that fine?

>>41207384
>half life 3 comes out in 2055
>Die in 2054 from clen AND ec

>>41207420
Valine and isoleucine can be glucogenic so they could spike insulin in theory, probably best to avoid bcaas within a few hours of yohimbine. And desu you almost definitely don't need them if you vary your protein sources, bcaas are a meme for crossfitters.

>>41207420
muscle catabolism through fasted cardio is an absolute meme. nigger. but afaik bcaas should not really hurt the yohi effect, might need to google for concise answers though. oh and slam down 1-3g of taurine with the yohi if you have some lying around.

>>41207483
>>41207504
never mind then, no bcaas for you lol

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>>41207048
Not all that much, some vascularity and maybe better erections. I'll be dropping it down to probably 100mg soon.

>>41207052
Yeah I'm on a bunch of shit. But I generally just ignore checking for shedding otherwise I'll get all obsessive and it's not worth it.

>>41207098
Methyl-dht is nice for an oral, gives me that tunnel vision at the gym, it's either the weights or I'm thinking about fucking one of the girls there.

You could rub all the dht you want on your dick but in reality any results will be negligible and you'll always have a micropenis.

>>41207504
>>41207483
>nigger
alright cheers. I thought Lyle Mcdonald (recommend BCAA with fasted cardio) was generally pretty onto it but i guess i actually got memed

>>41207647
why does the left one's face look both super cute and incredibly eerie and unsettling? this gets my noggin joggin

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>>41207699
nope he does not, pic related. also I noticed I wrote taurine in my previous reply, I of course meant tyrosine as he lists here. fuck I should really stop lurking/posting while busy lmao

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>that comfy feeling of waiting for your new items to arrive in the mail

>>41207924
For me it's anything but. They usually take anything from four days to two weeks to get here and the paranoia until they arrive is absolutely real lmao

>>41207719
Her smile is like.. TOO perfect. Like the models you see at a dentist

>>41205873
bumping for MasT's hair stack

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>>41207741
imagine if i had really taken 3g of taurine ontop of caffiene and yohimbine. you could have killed me breh

>>41208038
probably that yeah. looks even shopped if viewed at full resolution. what do I care, would still breed like cattle, I'm just saying, she gives me weird vibes.

>>41208070
kek, yeah sorry, was busy and didn't realize my mistake at first. but you shouldn't do anything people tell you on an indonesian foreskin tattooing newsletter anyway :^)

>>41208047
Lots of pumpkin seed oil and denial

>>41208070
>you could have killed me breh
Or you could just have realized that couldn't have been what he meant. Do you also charge your iphone in the microwave?

anyone here have a pre sex drug stack/routine?

I got my hands on some cheque drops and the sex is amazing

she came over and we did some lines of meth

prior I popped a cialis and a washed it down with a couple cheque droppers

snorted a fat line, got a massive throbbing hard on from the rush and she blew me right there. shit was so cash

thne after a few minutes of recovery I fucked her ass and made her bleed

then I kcikd her out haha

I'm so fuvking alpha Bros

these cheque drops stuff is AMAZING

>>41208145
It's yet another episode of "technically I should judge and berate you but I've done similar and worse before". Don't make pre-sex-mibol a habit though, it's a downward spiral.

>>41207970
What are you so paranoid about? If a police intercepts your packaging (won't happen) just say you do not know what is in this package.

>>41208145
Stop larping you faggot

>>41206463

How genetics work boys? If someones parents were gifted athletically and then also had used those traits competitively does the baby inherit good gain genes. Asking for a friend.

>>41208219
Oh I know, I never claimed it to be rational or anything. I just worry hard as fuck until I hold it in my hands, always did with stuff like this, even though I'm not prone to anxiety in any way or form otherwise.

also
>order huge amounts at once so I can BnC for ages without having to worry like described above too often
>ordering huge amounts has me worrying even harder because at some point they will claim clear intent to sell (even if I have none) and not believe my dindu nuffin excuse
lmao I hate it

>>41208270
Put your package on the counter and write "return to sender" on it and leave it on your table for 1 week if you are paranoid. If the cops come it shows you clearly did not want that package

>>41208323
Nah, as soon as I have it I bunker it away safely, it's literally just the way from source to me that has me worried, because the times vary so greatly. Probably just autism, or revenge for being such a calm and collected lad otherwise lel

So I "ordered" my first cycle of test E and I need some further information beyond.

First of all it's 300mg of 10x1ml Test E from magnus pharma.
i need to know what kind of of equipment i need.(needle type&length etc)

Furthermore does it make sense to be cutting while on test?
Spare me the obvious like focussing on gaining mass , I dont care much about that. Im pretty happy with my muscle mass, in fact people already think Im on roids despite having low testosterone levels (3ng)

Why the fuck does it matter if your testosterone levels drop while taking a non-testosterone steroid?

I mean, testosterone isn't that fucking special that you NEED testosterone in your body or your dick will fall off.

A non-testosterone steroid should be able to effectively replace it, provided it is sufficiently androgenic.

>>41208397
How do you hide it safely?

>>41208416
Nowhere, officer ;^) my house is old as dirt and has some convenient hiding places that you literally CANNOT identify as such if you don't know what to look for. I could have a swat team storm the place and they'd find naught but cobwebs, implying they don't just tear down some walls but why in all nine hells would they in the first place.

>>41208407
Read the reddit steroids wiki, like it says in the OP

>>41208407
What is your motivation for using steroids then?

You want to look better, but don't want to gain muscle mass?

So you want to lose fat and prevent muscle loss?

Steroids can be effective for that. Especially for the latter.

For fat loss, I'd recommend something else. Depends how much you want to lose, how lean you're looking to get.

And you seriously bought test without knowing what needles of needles to use? Come on

>>41208410
>men don't need testosterone to feel normal
Ok then Goldberg.

>>41208496
Use your brain.

How does testosterone exert its effect?

It activates androgen receptors all over the body, influencing gene expression in the trillions of the cells in the body.

What do other, non-testosterone anabolic steroids do?

They bind to androgen receptors all over the body, albeit in different affinities in each tissue.

What's the difference?

If all the receptors are getting at least the same activation, there should be not be any symptoms of low testosterone.

>>41208520
>every steroid has the same affinity for androgen receptors as testosterone
Ok then buddy, just pop some estrogen, it's only a few functional groups off from testosterone

>>41208520
That assumes that every steroid has the exact same affinity for androgen receptors and that there's no difference in any of the androgen receptors. It's possible for a molecule to activate some receptors but not others, that's how SERMs and SARMs work.

>>41208569
Nobody knows dude. Hormones aren't science they're magic. Like pussy or brownies.

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>>41206463
About to creep stalk a trainer QT from the gym and ask her out. Wish me luck boys

>>41208546
>>41208569
Yes. I acknowldeged that.

But unless it is a compound that is very anabolic, not very androgenic, a supraphyisological dose should more than make up for the lowered testosterone.

Do the math.

>just realized my raws supplier sells cialis powder for 88 cents a gram

aw jesus christ

another thing to add to the list for my next order :)

>>41208652
>when ur Chinese cialis is just 5 penis wine
:(

>>41208631
You know anabolic/androgenic ratios are based on muscle and prostate growth in rats, right? It's not like you can look at the chemical structure and assign an exact androgenicity rating. All androgens have the same general structure, changing the functionalization of that structure will affect its ability to bind to different androgen receptors.

>>41208785
who is penis wine and what does he do with the chinese?

>there are people who literally believes orals are liver toxic


You can munch on superdrol every day for 10 years and be 100% fine.

There are alcoholics who take shit 10x more liver toxic overall and end up living till the 80s and 90s

>>41208941
That's why I poop white on 30mg sdrol a day?

>>41208941
kys in the most heinous way you can come up with

which incidentally might be liver failure kek

>>41208963

Youre defective, sorry.

>>41208980
That's okay we knew this. Still big and pretty though and that's what counts.

>>41208941
i agree that the liver toxicity is overstated

if your liver starts falling apart you'll know it

you'll stop taking the drug and it'll fix itself

but you cant deny it exists

>>41208126
I think it was Pumpkin Seed Oil and Biotin, but I'm sure there was a third and final part.

>>41209117
Good genes

I've never been on steroids before and I'm trying to gauge how much food I have to eat over maintenance. People are saying that for a first cycle, you can expect to put on around 20 lbs. That's a lot of food to be eating, but is it +500 over maintenance? +1000? I don't want to eat too much and get fat.

>>41209189
how much are you taking

start at 500

if youre getting too fat eat less

if youre not gaining much fat at all push the cals a bit higher

>>41208038
>>41208086
it looks like she's wearing a mouth guard painted to look like teeth

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My friend drew a whore for me. I gave her the specification though.

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>>41208629
Let me know how that works out for you senpai.

>>41209359
literally looks like a black version of your ex, you need Jesus in your life son

>>41209567
I didn't draw it. I just said black with bangs.

>>41209443
I don't understand this image

low test / High tren

or

High test / low tren?

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>>41209359
is that a used condom skirt

Rich Piana talked about the side effects of HGH he experienced, and claimed he was on it for 10 years straight. Does anybody know how much he was taking/have a source for it? No memes please.

>>41209952
Yes those are used condoms tucked into her belt.

Look at my trip.

>>41209947
high test / high tren

>>41209971
Should have had cum dripping down the leg

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>>41209935
I assumed the girl you posted was the one you were going after but she's married so I guess not. Although she is a QT.

>>41210011
"Icing" on the "cake"

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What tshirts do you guys rock for the summer? Kinda pissed that American apparel is going out of business and I don't know any other good shirt companies that are reasonably priced.

>>41206534
A study showed 5 to 10mg ed didn't raise liver enzymes. That dose would improve strength with minimal mass

>>41210323
Gildan makes the best, especially polyester performance shirt looks good on muscular men

uniqlo

hanes

do androgens like methyl DHT actually have any sort of significant psychological effect immediately once absorbed?

is it placebo?

if not is it underwhleming?

Tfw pain in the right side of my chest on DNP. Hurts. Feels fine if I change my position though so it's not my heart.

>>41208629
obviously not afraid of needles
at least she shoots, wonder if it's trap or clays or just hunting

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>>41206463
Need some advice brahs

I'm currently 30 days into my natty cut, and my gear is coming in soon and I was going to do this cycle

>1-8 weeks 100mg ED Anavar
>1-14 weeks 500mg/week Test E
>16-20weeks Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

I'm not yet satisfied with my cut, so I was thinking about still cutting during the first 4-5 weeks until the long ester of Test E kicks in and then start gradually upping my calories from there

I figured if I finally got lean by the time the Test E kicks in I can bulk efficiently and get better gains until the remainder of cycle.

Thoughts? Can I pull this off realistically? Cutting on 1650-1850cals per day currently IF style

>>41210913
Probably gas f a m

>>41211003
This is perfectly reasonable. How fat are you right now?

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>>41211123
I'll post a pic so I can get laughed at for being a small ugly looking shit

Pls excuse my bitch face

This is my cut progress so far. I want to say I'm at 15-16% bf right now

So, what are your guys experiences with roids for strength gains?

>>41211187
they increase them?

>>41211229
by how much bruh

>>41211156
>roiding for THIS

>>41211156
Still over 20% m8

Cut hard until week 5

Bring cals up very slowly

>>41211240
it depends

>>41211283
No way he's over 20

>>41211240
by 7

>>41211286
Which is why I asked for experiences with them

>>41211297
it doesn't matter

it increases strength gains

is it worth it?

most would say yes

that's all you need to know

have your own experience

>>41210323
EDdie Bauer and hanes
Also go to asos

>>41211289
He's flexing his belly m8, he's over 20%

>>41211509
Looks like that frogtech kid

>>41211156
How much AI are you taking? I dont think its enough

>>41211831
he's fucking natty read his god damned posts you retarded fuck

>>41211886
Well i do take roids so yes i am a retarded fuck

>>41208963
Do you still poop white? If not, did you just stop or tudca or what?

>>41211003
Manlet detected. When I cut on 3000kcals my stomach grumbles like a garden gnome in a wet vagina

>>41211113
Wait, can holding in a lot of farts cause chest pains and breathing pains?

Hey guys, three weeks into Ostarine right now.

Currently putting the liquid into a lab gelatin capsules and drinking that. Good idea for those who don't like drinking the liquid straight?

>>41212464
For me stomach gas (not going to the bathroom) causes intense spine and stomach pain. Last year I had to sit thru an hour long school assembly while my stomach was growling so hard begging to explode all the shit.

It's a problem lots of guys get on SS / GOMAD but not usually after that

Hope that helps.

>>41209443
She never called back.

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>>41207202
>tfw nihilist roider

>>41206781
> _ x iz wors than y_

Still doesnt make x stop being fucking bad for you

>>41207068
DNP doesn't shred you in any way. Unless you have lots of mussels and already sub 15% bf.

>>41209947
Low test e (250-300/wk) with high tren ace (700mg/wk.. That's 100mg ED)

This is the perfect ratio for me! The only sides i have had are a bit of night sweats and LOTS of sweat while working out. Aggression and irritability come and go, but I'm a pretty level headed dude, i am used to people doing stupid shit so tren hasn't changed me mentally that much. Leaning out daily! Eating shit all.

i-is it possible to fraud withing damage to ones health?

>>41213653
without*

>>41213653
No. It's not possible to even live without damaging health. Remember, everything you do damages your health. Now go roid you fat fuk.

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>>41206463
>going to reddit
enjoy your gyno and stroke!

>>41208487
>What is your motivation for using steroids then?
lethargy
non existent libido
passiveness

Things that have developed after I lost a substantial amount of wheight.
you know those nofap challanges? I always win them without knowing that I compete...
>And you seriously bought test without knowing what needles of needles to use? Come on
sure why not?
what's the problem here, I've figured I'd ask around here and get some info from different sources, not going in blind. Not going to do a testosteron enema, dont worry.

>>41213846
Get some blood tests

See what's going on

Consult a good TRT doctor if you can

Why do people like Tren so much?

It makes you bloated and stupid.

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how many pins does it take for test e to start giving that energy in the gym?

i know people say 4-6 weeks but that's when your levels peak and become stable
you would think something happens 2 weeks in, when your levels start reaching the higher side of things

what have you guys experienced?

>>41214799
I frontload by pinning 600mg every day for the first week.

I start to feel it by the 3rd time pinning.

>>41214818
you shoot 4.2g of test the first week?

>>41214818

600mg EVERY DAY?

>>41214704
I don't know about bloated but if you're already an idiot it will make you an even bigger one.

>>41214704
I don't bloat on tren at all, I only low dose at 300 a week tho, no bad sides, lots of lean gainz, crazy libido as long as I only run it for about 12 weeks then it goes downhill

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Both packs are still "inbound into customs" reeeeeeeeee.

Hurry up I want big balls.

>>41214818
i hope you are kidding

hello chums

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Is saw palmetto a meme?

Is it only good for an old guy's prostate?

I'm 25 and looking to avoid MPB but keep the old dickaroo working

>>41216155
You should probably just separate hair health and quality from your self image and ego if you want to use hormones to be beefy.

Conversely, maybe separate your self worth from muscles entirely and enjoy yourself.

>>41214846
>>41214851
>>41215866
Stay small u fags.

>>41216167
why have you been all zen recently?

>>41216178
I'm pretty anxious today. I don't think I'm zen. Just taking ai and not living with my ex doesn't make me an emotional train wreck.

>>41216167
This is really solid advice and I've internalized it from a fairly young age. Seeing my bald father, cousins, and uncles still be alpha and masculine helped bring that on.

... but fuck do chicks love my hair

So if I go bald at 45 instead of 30 that would net me some good poon-smashing years. I know the day will come and yes I will still smile at myself in the mirror. Dun worry bimbo :)

>>41216241
ha! well fair enough then

im seriously considering this so i can lift heavier, right now i can only bench the bar

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>>41216337
desu, if it wasn't for the risks of you not knowing your shit about diet and working out with proper form and stuff then i'd say go for it.

>>41216337
try eating and lifting

>>41216337
On gear you'll barely bench the bar but also have acne and lactating breasts.

n i c e

>>41216380
Exactly
>>41216382
i manage 900c on a good day
>>41216392
i have clear skin and no gyno,
>YUCK lol

>>41216337
I went from benching the bar to 5x5x185 in 3 months on 40mg dbol + 500mg test

just do it pussy

>>41216446
>i manage 900c on a good day
why?

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>>41216446
>I manage 900c on a good day

please tell me you're a girl.

>>41216446
Gear won't do shit if you can't eat.

Aas greatly increase your capacity for nitrogen retention, not create nitrogen from nothing.

>>41216461
i get bored of eating, cant force myself to. im obese though from depression in a previous relationship. i guess im lucky in that regard? fat but with 0 cravings or will to eat ? only been going to the gym for 2 weeks now lost 12 lbs

>>41216498
get out

>>41216498
i hope you get anal cancer

>>41212464
Yes m8 ffs go take a shit and stop holding in your farts it's unhealthy af

>>41216507
>>41216526
lol. what

>>41216155
Saw palmetto will help reduce DHT, obviously not as drastically as finasteride

I've been taking it and I feel like my hair loss has slowed down. I'm still on steroids so there's that.

Best option as always is ketoconazole shampoo, minox and finasteride

keto and minox won't fuck with your dick f a m

saw palmetto, pumpkin seed oil all day too, can't hurt and isn't very expensive

>>41216497
where does the nitrogen come from then lad

>>41216686
Food dummy

>>41206463
I suffer from low test and my doc won't give me a script, so where do I go anons? Also, how much does one cycle roughly cost?

>>41216899
For trt purposes you could make a 25 dollar vial of 250 test last 20 weeks.

>>41216899
What are your testosterone levels?

>>41216899
If you're British, 150mg test-e per week + equipment works out at about £2 per week

150mg will put you at the high end of natty test levels if not greater

>>41216167
>separate your self worth from muscles entirely
WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS

about to hop on, a few questions first

I've read in this thread that tren doesn't give really bad sides in low doses, contrary to everything I've read. I'm in the military and cardio is important. how bad will my run times suffer? i probably run 15-20 miles a week, and run a 13:30 2-mile, I'm trying to get faster, not worse.
tren e or c for first cycle?
what would be a good supplement for joints?
how bad would it be if i had to cut the cycle short and start pct in case of deployments?

>>41217403
fucking idiot

>>41217495
oh ok yeah

>>41217403
>Tren first cycle
>In the military
ok enjoy the dishonorable discharge when you shoot your own guys for looking at you like a terrorist.

>>41217507
everything about your post is fucking retarded. I recommend reading a whole lot more

>>41213491
Losing bf is the biggest part of being shredded fatty

>>41217516
>no negative sides from low doses
>buddy kill my battle buddy for a mean look
the reason i asked. i was originally going to do test only until people said sides weren't that bad. thanks for the insight
>>41217533
I'm still reading, haven't made my order yet, thanks for the advice

>first cycle doesn't include at least a TRT dose of test
>taking one of the most hardcore aas for your first cycle
>running a cycle while in the military and under their supervision

>>41217607
I'm assuming this is aimed at me. there are plenty of people in the military on gear, don't be naive. i get urinalysis randomly but other than that how would they know?

>>41217607
>asking whether he should use tren "e or c"
>thinking tren won't absolutely shit on his cardio
>thinking tren at low dosages is sides free
>asking if he can just start pct like that in case of deployment

>>41217607
and yes i was going to start with 500/week test, just asking which would be better to start with, c or e

>>41217671
oh i see the typo now, meant test, sorry. and yeah just wondering about others experience with having to cut a cycle short. realistically wont deploy for a while

>>41217672
M

>>41217687
Jesus m8 that is a huge difference, completely changes the question

yeah test at 500mg/wk is a perfect beginner cycle. enanthate and cypionate are pretty much the same exact thing

you need a gap of about two weeks between your last injection of test e/c and the beginning of your pct however, due to the ester length. if you want the possibility to stop and start pct immediately, consider test prop (though I wouldn't necessarily recommend test p for a beginner cycle due to having to pin every day and the more significant pip... but hey, gotta make a choice)

>>41207719
too much gum

Trenbolone or Trestolone?

>>41218521
Toblarone

>>41218521
Testbolone

>>41218521
Telephone

>>41218334
thank you for the info

I've been on DNP for the last 26 days, one 250mg pill per day. Had a TDEE of 2600 (not counting DNP) was eating 1500-2000 depending on the day.

With all that out of the way: I've made quite good progress, slimmed down a bunch, going really well. My question is: supposedly during a DNP cycle, until about a week after, you retain extra water. I'm curious how much water I might be retaining/should expect to lose. Anyone have any knowledge about this?

>>41218918
lots

you will piss out up to an additional 7 or so lbs after you're done, don't be surprised or scared

>>41219035

Jesus christ really? I've actually slimmed down a ton already.

>>41219152
notice how I said up to. may be considerably less. but that's the most water weight I've personally lost after dnp (at a higher dose admittedly).

Tfw have had 1.3 creatinine level for 5 years. I don't understand, am I dying or not?

It takes a fucking lot for the human body to die srs, having elevated creatinine levels will not kill you m8

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>>41206463
Looking into doing some sort of SARMs cycle, probably ostarine, because I'm a pussy bitch who wants to try this before I try big boy fraud.

Do you have to do PCT after doing SARMs? I"m sure it depends on the dosage, but I can' t really find a whole lot of info on it, and I figured /fraud/ would know more than I do.

Thanks
-A Pussy Bitch

>>41211831
he's not even on yet lol, sounds like he's fucked

>>41211187
what's your training like?

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Friendly reminder that any dose below 1g per week is considered natural nowadays.

>>41219329
Not being able to lift cause no kidneys might though. Thx tho

>>41208047
In my personal experience;

If you want thickness, you need to get on saw(320mgx5) + pumpkin(3x1000mg)

If you want zero hair loss + regrowth = keto shampo(once a week) + biotin.

If you do all together, you hair will be a fucking mess because of the growth and thickness, I can't even shampoo my hair anymore because it will get so thick like a fucking carpet is lying on my head. Watch out i tell you

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Should I brew this tren e with MCT or GSO? Last time I did MCT with 22%BB/1%BA and it held at 250mg/ml I take it it's be the same with GSO.

Is home brewing a meme?

>>41219429
I am using it for almost a year now.

Saw + pumkin will take months to see results, like 3/4 months

keto will work after 1/2 months.

Be patient while using this stuff and you will never go bald, it's important to take it really quickly after you notice thinning and hair loss. I was a long time in denial, watch out i tell you. I got a little widow peak that almost recovered fully. Going bald is the worst thing in life

>>41219429
So what you're saying is, do it all together?

What is Saw?

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>>41219359
why do people think sarms are less harmful than steroids?

HURR DURR BETTER TAKE EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS INSTEAD OF RESEARCHED MEDICINAL HORMONES BECAUSE ITS SAFER

fucking kill yourself

Best cutting cycle?

>>41219516
>fucking kill yourself

I'm just afraid of needles anon, plz don't be mean ;-;
Also idk, the buying of Test is illegal isn't it? While SARMs are still in a grey area in terms of legality, so I just assumed they'd be easier to get.

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>>41219514
I was paranoid and did it all together which resulted in pic related hair.

Saw palmetto.

I am so happy i discovered this method. I was so fucking paranoid and worried about the hair loss.

If you hair is already fucking thick i wouldn't suggest to take it all together. If you suffer from hair loss only and not thinning i would suggest just doing keto + pumpkin al normal dose

>>41219531
Food and cardio. Steroids you will use to maintain muscle during your cut. Masteron is god tier for looking hard and full during cuts.

Use keto shampoo against hair loss

>>41219531
Medium dose of test + diet and exercise.

>>41219531
Dnp

>>41219536
Gotta pin to win. I was afraid of needles until I did my first injection, now it doesn't bother me at all. Steroids are very, very easy to get.

>>41219555
Also, is the 320mg x 5 taken all at once? I reckon I may as well get a higher dose to take just once a day instead. It's probably cheaper.

How long should I keep doing it for for just added thickness? Is is a 4 lyfe deal?

>>41219191

How much of a higher dose? I mean I wouldn't object to losing it but that's surprising.

>>41219603
>very, very easy to get
I guess if you know a guy. I've scoped out some sites that sell it, but I dunno what I'm getting into. Like how do you know you're getting what you pay for? as well as paying for needles, PCT stuff, etc. just seems like a lot of purchases to make.

Also most of them do transactions via bitcoin, and I'm too dense to know how to use bitcoin.

>>41219613
I spread it out. Like 2 in the morning, 1 in the afternoon and 2 at night for example. Just thought it was better, did not try it different so can't tell you the difference

I was too scared to get off, so i don't know. You take some cheap ass pills ed and shampoo once a week that has like zero side effects or you worry everyday about hair loss and going bald. Not so hard imo.

>>41219665
I'm a cheap fucko so I wanted to save money. But I got an interview for a slightly better paying job so maybe it's time to splash out on some nice supps. The website I'm grabbing it from also has a buy one get one free on a lot of items so I'm also getting Biotin for the hair, and Melatonin for my Trensomnia

>>41219555
hey masT what do you reccommend for cruise dose?

>>41219655
Bitcoin is easy as piss to learn, just get a coinbase account or something similar. There are plenty of trusted sellers online, and you can literally buy needles on amazon

>>41219686
what site brah

>>41219555
How old are you if you don't mind me asking ?

>>41219727
pipingrock

>>41219700
>tfw I thought needles and syringes were illegal to purchase without a medical license or some shit
>tfw I just learned I can buy that shit on Amazon

Holy shit I am retarded. Welp, thanks for the advice. Gonna buy my shit and some real steroids to give them the old college try. Thanks for the help!

My only problem now will be keeping this shit from my parents, but I'm sure I'll figure something out.

>>41219284
We are all dying

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>>41219686
I was in the same boat as you. Get the better payed job and stop wasting your time

So remember thickness + saw + pumkin.
No hairloss + regrowth = keto shampoo + biotin

These supplements are fucking cheap.

>>41219693
150 test + 100 mast. Or 200 test + 50/80 mast. Depending if you need an ai and stuff. I did 180 test + 50/80 mast last time. I will try 150 Test + 100 mast this time

>>41219734
26, feel free to ask me anything

Haven't needed to but Bitcoin is a long time, come to find circle is ded. Next best method that doesn't require waiting a week?

>>41219794
I'm gonna ask some generic questions since it's my first time in /fraud/
Height and Weight ?
Stats on main lift if you do them ?
How long have you been lifting ?
Ever taken DNP ?
Most effective/potent AAS in your opinion and personal experience ?

>>41219794
what about a test-only dose? (trt guy asking again)

>>41219794
how big is your peepee? do roids make it better

>>41219747
sock drawer with a lock.

>>41219810
>Height and Weight ?
6'. i am currently weighing 105,1 kg now
>Stats on main lift if you do them ?
Bench i did 160kg x 1. Squat 170kg

Nothing special, i never try to focus on weight anymore. More on form and contraction

>How long have you been lifting ?
Like 7 year seriously now. Before that i was also lifting, but nothing seriously, push ups at home and stuff

>Ever taken DNP ?
No, too scared. Same for tren

I took; test, mast and winstrol. Currently doing dbol for first time

>Most effective/potent AAS in your opinion and personal experience ?
masteron and dbol are really great

test should be always the base for every cycle/blast

>>41219811
Sure why not. Imo: mast is just for the looks and looking better at cuts mainly

also them mental feels. Dbol + mast is really an euphoric combination

>>41219891
I mean what dose of test would you reccommend for a cruise to retain mass while cutting, while also allowing recovery from the blast?

>>41219886
>Son why do you have a lock on your drawer?
>I'm very protective of my socks and underwear

I actually meant more in terms of actual pinning, since there's always at least one person in my house at a time and they're not exactly well versed in personal space and boundaries. But like I said, I'll figure something out.

>>41219794
wait whats keto shampoo?

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>>41219933
locking your door?

c'mon man, this isn't that hard.

>>41219880
7 inch. Dick looks bigger because my balls are smaller.

>>41219908
That's a personal choice imo. Some say 150mg is enough some say 250mg.

Most do fine at 200-250mg. I would suggest 250mg during a cut, especially when you're really low at carbs.

>>41219936
ketoconazol

There are enough studies about it, just look it up

>>41219891
Thanks for the info man,taking notes
What kind of side effects are you subject to ?
Any plans on competing ?

>>41219940
Yeah like I said, I'll figure something out. I mean worst case scenario I can just do it at midnight when everyone is supposed to be asleep.

Just test then Nolvadex as PCT is a good first cycle right?

>>41219949
mainly mental side effects. I can't go any higher than 750 mg test-e or 500 mast-e, I will get really paranoid/obsessive thoughts. I might be prone to it, since my brother is at the same paranoid level without using steroids atm.

It drove me crazy to the point i couldn't concentrate on work anymore, i so had to drop down to 750 mg test-e. Mental side effects are no joke

Other side effects are pretty manageable(bp, hair loss, acne and stuff) Only the mental side effects i got no cure for atm, but just lowering the dose.

Maybe yes

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>>41219987
yup.

good luck

>>41219987
When I lived at my dads, I literally kept all my shit in my wardrobe. Needles, syringes, antibac swabs. I kept my vials in my sock draw. I left it open one day when my gf was around and she found it lmao. She likes to pin me now.

>>41219468
I personally loathe GSO because for some reason it gives me more pip than anything else. Also MCT has no omega 6 ;^) but to answer your question, both should and probably will hold, yeah.

>>41220014
Thanks triangle, you're my favorite shape.
Will report back once I get my shid

>>41220037
>tfw I will never have a qt that pins me
Feels bad man

>>41219652
starting with 250 and ramping up to 750 for the last week and a half or so, 28 days total.

>>41220037
Why didn't you tell your gf in the first place then?

i told me gf i was doing roids at the start and she was really upset about it, but i told her it was my body and if she didn't like it she can find someone else. Now she's pinning me

>>41220128
We had only been dating a couple months. I was planning on telling her, but she found out before I did. Was a bit of crying, then her saying she didn't want to see me do it, then a couple weeks ago she got interested, watched me do it, now wants to pin me every time. She realized she was being a bit of a hypocrite when I explained to her how safe it was if you're not a retard, and she smokes weed, which is actually illegal here in the UK. She still doesn't like the fact I'm taking Tren though, which is why I was asking about the hair stack lmao. Gotta keep them hair gainz.

>>41220166
gf objected heavily to my tren use because of le ((roid rage)) meme. fucked her butt a few times while blasting 800mg, now she for some reason loves it kek

I pinned my first test like a week and a half ago.

Pinning a ton.

Balls shrinking already.

Not liking it desu

My nutsack looks like a brain and my testes are going up inside of me.

...

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Pinned left delt, ended up subq on accident. There has been a warm bump there for almost a week now.

At what point do I start to worry about abcesses/infections?

>>41220166
Girls are so simple

My gf was first against taking caffeine pills, NO I NEVER TAKE THAT CRAP. I HATE STEROIDS ANN YOU TAKING THEM and now she's taking winstrol and sibutramine and pinnning me


>>41220201
They just want the hard and fully pumped roid dick. Masteron is insane for this. I can go on even when i cummed 3 times in a row, but then she had already enough.

Masteron at higher dose almost destroyed our relation so i can't think of what tren would do.

>>41220238
Like Rich Piana said: having a smaller sack from pinning means your dick looks bigger, you baka

>>41220264
is masteron best roid for dick hardness

>>41220264
word. higher dose mast is dick magic. I'm all about dat dere light rapeplay though so tren or occasional halo is the name of the game for me.

>>41220307
Yes and dbol also. Dbol + masteron, she never wants something else but your dick again, trust me.

it's sad, but i can never think of sex without masteron and test anymore. It will improve your dick hardness so much more

>>41220348
ever tried cialis?

>>41220345
>rapeplay
i think sometimes that my gf is a whore for wanted to be slapped in the face and wanted to be punished and being hurt during sex

i wish i was gay

>>41220367
No, but i head good stuff about it indeed . Didn't it also gave you crazy headaches?

>>41220392
>my gf is a whore for this and that
mine doesn't look me in the eyes for the remainder of the night after we fuck tbqfh. it's a price I'm willing to pay

>i wish i was gay
we know m8, we know. searching the archive for "masT + BBC" brings like 11 million results topkek

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>>41220392
Sup

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>>41220444
i'd like to think we have very similiar chest genetics

>>41220493
>roiding for this

>>41220505
trt son

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>>41220493
Nah I don't like my chest that much, you should want more for yourself.

>>41220512
Do you ever cut fatty

>>41220512
body dysmorphia.

id kill to have those insertions, as well as not having gyno and a mild case of pectus excavatum..

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>>41220526
>fatty
he never even bulk so explain

>>41206463
quick question lads.
Had an accident and lost my gains after being hospitalised.
Started lifting today, after 8 months. Currently just doing high volume/cardio to cut. Not using gear any more, but will I make muscle-memory gains while cutting?

>>41220548
plz respond to
>>41220263


I dont want to become swollen shoulder faggotface

>>41220548
Nice stretch marks

>>41220549
Stfu nigger go massage your gyno boobs

Clayton why did you delete your post

>>41220593
c'mon dont do him like that.

>>41220090

Huh. I've done a lot of reading and I went 26 days because I had a few extra pills but it seems 3 weeks is the ideal length, and generally don't go over 500.

How were your sides at 750? What's your height/weight?

>>41220512
Can i start fallowing you on insta now?

>>41220719
yeah I know, but I never plan on using it again (not because it was too bad or anything, I just don't usually need to cut this hard this fast is all) so I finished up what I had kek. sides were actually not that hardcore, heinous amounts of heat and lethargy even without too many carbs and with all of the common supps, but I imagined it to be worse. no signs of PN or other funky stuff either, so let's hope I get no cataracts later on :^) height is 6'2 180ish lbs (post-DNP).

>>41220879
tfw day 5 dnp and feet are tingly

tired of working out natty with no progress, fml i wanna jump on juice some day maybe

>>41220901
pretty common for the first few days. start to worry if it sticks around for a week or longer.

>>41220954
only taking 200 mg for two weeks and at day five my dose accumulation is basically the highest it's going to be according to this chart so I'm hoping I'm all good>>41206571

>>41220992
keep hydrated
take your supps
don't die

>>41220922
if you didnt get any progress natty you wont get much with roids
fix your routine/diet/sleep

>>41220879

Fair. I rolled 250 for 26 days because I figured 250 is pretty easy.

Only real problem I had was I woke up thirsty occasionally at night. Just kept a water bottle on my table and yeah. No problems.

Results are stellar. I mean I've been relatively strict on my diet and blah blah but only "as strict as I intend to be later". Nothing so extreme that I will have to stop doing it. I used to be in good shape but spent a year and a half doing nothing and eating junk. I've taken off almost all of that weight in a month on 250mg of dnp per day and a 500-1k calorie deficit. Also the improvments to my diet make me feel much better. I forgot how much better you feel physically eating healthy.

>>41221021
what supps are you taking I'm just taking a multi

>>41220345
i always thought halotestin was a real nigga drug for high level athletes

>>41221221
multivit
can of v8
benadryl as needed
melatonin as needed
taurine as needed
2x1.5g Vit C
3x400iu Vit E
some random electrolyte tablets I had around, amounts to 1.5g of magnesium potassium and others a day
feisty helping of ECY kek
unironically two gallons of water
all my other supps I am too lazy to list now except for preworkout and pump shit

>>41221272
well it is. doesn't mean I can't abuse it for stronk liftan and rabid sex (although not for too long at a time because damn it's harsh).

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>>41220263
What does subq mean?

>>41221693
subcuteanous fat, layer of fat between skin and muscle.

can be used for injecting small amounts but can sometimes give a physical bump or worsen/ease pip.

>>41217687
The only way you can dump a cycle is if you have HCG

>>41219996
How do you manage acne... Accutane?

>>41221151
wrong

Will cycling 10mg of LGD for 12 weeks at 130 lbs kill me?

>>41221835
Kahuna disagrees

>>41222141
No, it won't do shit.

>>41222141
expect these results

>70 bucks lighter
>0 gains
>whatever unknown side effects LGD may exhibit upon you.

please for godsake people need to stop with the sarms.

>>41219376
Yeah I got puffy nips with a tiny, tiny lump behind them. Puberty thing, shit sucks.

Already got Arimidex on hand, thinking about running with this >>41211003 cycle, 0.5mg eod. Would that be enough to keep my slight gyno down or even make it go away completely?