Is there a better exercise than the pull up? Is there a better

>>41154980
Its the best lat excercise.

>>41155001
It is the best demonstrator of strength, and it is manly

A truly "fit" man should be able to do pull ups

>>41154980
What about handstand push-ups?

>>41155638
>>41154980
OHP is the best demonstrator of strength though
a skelly manlet can easily do 10+ pull ups without working out, while a skelly with good leverage can get a decent DL, but the OHP will always weed out the weaklings

>>41154980
Ive always considered the alpha workout. If you see a man popping out wide grip pullups hes in control of his body

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>>41154980
OP you're so right man.

>>41154980
hit one rep today with 50kgs added weight
feelsgoodman

>>41155728
All I see is someone with no clue of biomechanics, thinking he uses his "upper last" more and "widens his back" by gripping wide.

>>41155683
manlet

>>41154980
kipping, of course

>>41156030
Some fucker did that next to me when I was doing pull ups yesterday. All the pull up bars are connected to some sort of contraption and the whole damn thing was shaking violently while he flopped around like a fish.

I don't get it, why do people like kipping pull ups? It looks stupid and is going to blow out your shoulders one day.

I do pull ups every fkin workout

hands down the GOAT exercise

>>41156083
Because they want to show off and think that doing 20 shitty pull-ups is anywhere near as good as 5 done properly.

>>41154980
>Is there a better exercise than the pull up?
The clean and press

>>41156083
>why do people like kipping pull ups

>be "in shape"
>go on internet
>everyone claims to be able to do 15+ pull-ups
>try doing pull-ups
>get 6 pull-ups
>wtf?
>join crossfit revolution

>>41156163
But why not just spend time training your proper pull ups until you can do 15 the right way? Are people that impatient?

>>41155683
OHP is a meme lift, the only people who do OHP these days are /fit/ and /r/fitness incels who read nerd shit like "starting strength"

OHP = incel press

>>41156197
t. weakling
incel lifts are squats and dl
normies are doing bench
slayers and chads do OHP and push press like klokov

>>41156178
do you know how hard it is to do 15 proper pull-ups for an average gym member? I would honestly guess that puts you easily into the 99th percentile. it might take someone years to get there.

regardless though, the problem is that people are self-conscious since when you do pull-ups you do seem to attract a lot of attention because of the height. they are under the false belief that everyone is knocking 10+ out so it's embarrassing for them to do sets of 5.

How many pull ups is considered proficient?

>>41156178
>>41156229

same reason people go 2pl8 on bench press and bounce it off their chests instead of going 1.5 pl8 and controlling it

>>41156178
people like to inflate numbers, they will rather do 15 shitty pullups in a set than struggling with 5 strict dead hang pullups

>>41156238
actual, real pull-ups, where you control the whole movement and go from fully extended (pause) to chin above the bar (pause) in the hollow position with no body or leg swing? If you are doing 10 reps I would say you are very proficient.

>>41156229
Shit I couldn't do a single one a couple of months ago, I am to 7 now and still get self conscious about having to jump to reach the bar. I fucking missed the jump yesterday on my last set and I'm pretty sure a group of about 5 girls doing meme exercises saw me, along with a couple of big guys (4u) doing squats nearby.

Not gonna stop though, I want to get to 20 one day. The humiliation and shame helps me, maybe I'm secretly a masochist or something.

>>41156238
in the FFL you have to do 15 or you're out.so i think 15 are very good

>>41156223
t. incel and manlet

>>41156238
How about chin ups?

I have a question lads

I used to do pullups at the gym and could do 12-13 in my first set

I acquired a home gym, and i set the barbell on the safety bars in the highest pins of my squat rack and then try to do pullups from the bar with bent knees, and i'm lucky if i can rattle off 5 or 6 of them.

What is the difference here and why is it so hard to do them this way?

>>41156268
No one gives a fuck about you, my man. Just do you.

>>41156317
same number, 10 is definitely proficient

navy seal minimum pst standards for pull-ups is 10

>>41156336
you are probably using more of a hollow hold position

if you want to exacerbate it, instead of bending your knees, keep your legs straight but pointing out away from you (as high as you can do it)

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>>41156359
>>41156336

this

this will make 3,4,5 pl8rs cry like babies

>>41156349
Strange, I find chin ups much easier than pull ups

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>>41156359
>>41156373
That makes sense, thanks lads

>>41156404

You probably use arms a bit more arms during chins. I definitely feel in more in my bis than late during chins.

>>41155683
This

>>41156373
Why would 3,4,5 pl8er cry because they can't do some abitrary lift they never trained for?

>>41156404
weak traps

>>41156290
pull up is even more of a manlet lift because it favors shorter arms AND lighter bodyweight, so your logic is wack buddyboyo

also i have height face frame of chico

>>41156444
because hollow hold pull-ups hurt like a motherfucking bitch, especially when you have poor shoulder mobility from doing oly lifts all day every day

>>41156472
sounds extremely stupid then

>>41156472
>poor shoulder mobility from oly lifts
nigga what

Chin ups are better than pull ups in every way

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>>41156472
>hollow hold pull-ups hurt like a motherfucking bitch

for you

>>41156488
real oly lifters do a shit ton of mobility exercises in addition to their oly lifts

gymbros that only do oly lifts but not the associated exercises have TERRIBLE shoulder mobility in addition to a host of other issues

most jacked people at the gym are incapable of doing wall slides. think about that, people lift weights everyday to get strong and then can't even lift their arms behind their heads

>>41156487
how so?

>>41156511
i've done them for 5 years now and they still hurt since I haven't completely fixed all the mistakes I wrought on myself from doing a typical gym routine for 20 years

if you have a history in gymnastics then I'm sure they aren't as big a deal

Anyone I get to try them with me agree that they are one of, if not the most painful upper-body movement

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>>41156554
For my defense i need to say im only do pull-ups but religiously but im sure i did some hollow's too.anyway i will try them in my next back workout but i dont think that they're so painful but ill give it a shot

>>41154980
Good form muscle ups are so much harder. I can do 15 good pull ups but I'm lacking the explosive power for actual muscle ups.

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>>41156673
>A shaolin monk

Easy way to train for pull ups. Get one of those hook into door frame bars. To enter/exit room must do 5 pull ups.

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>>41156229
>mfw still only doing negatives in the middle of the gym
god damn, do I have no shame?

>>41156197
Is everything a meme to you idiots?

>>41156197
Advanced shitpost

>>41155732
>that ROM

>wide grip pullup in pic
dropped

>>41155780
they hit your rhomboids and forearms better

>>41154980
Weighted pull-ups
Single arm pull-ups
Weighted single arm pull-ups.

>>41157538
Not really

wide grip just shortens the rom and puts more strain on your shoulders, way better off doing normal pullups

>>41155780
gripping wide does put the biceps at a disadvantage, meaning that your lats are activated a lot more, giving you ultimately a wider back.

>>41155683
This is true (about OHP), but if you can't do a pull up you should be ashamed of yourself.

The pull/chin up is one of the best exercises out there, its the best general upperbody exercise as it hits nearly every muscle in the upperbody

Lats, chest, rear delts, arms, small upperback muscles, triceps. You have no reason to not do them

>>41157599
>biceps at disadvantage means lats have to work harder
this logic is so flawed

>>41154980
>Is there a better demonstrator of upper body strength?
The pullup is a good demonstrator of strength to bodyweight ratio, not overall strength.

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>>41156268
>jumping to reach the pull up bar

when will they learn?

>>41157629
Mastering your own bodyweight through various movements always translates to greater then normal strength.

If someone can slav squat is almost always a good indicator that they have an abnormally strong squat.

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>>41158038
truly a god

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>>41154980
Is Finland the only Chin up country? all i see fit talk about is pull ups. It´s just seems so strange to me since chin ups are still used as standard measure of strength here at every single test people come up with. Are we special in other ways besides being the most fucking autist country in the world?

>>41158077
while chinups are great pullups are more functional since when trying to pull your self up you're more likely to use a pronated grip

However the chinup is a better upperbody builder since it allows for more weight and hits slightly more muscles

>>41157623

Explain

>>41158077
we also think burpees are the way to extreme fitness.
Autistic country confirmed

>>41156229
wtf? 3 months at the gym doing pullups about once or twice per week and I'm doing 12 reps per set. Also, I'm weak as shit.

>>41158368
its not how muscles work

The wider grip forces the body to use shoulder adduction instead of shoulder extension which is not the lats biggest strength. The wider grip also reduces ROM and puts more strain on the rotator cuffs.

The wider grip pullup is a bodybuilder myth created by the fact that the teres major gives out before anything else does which creates the illusion that the lats are getting worked. Even if you look at it anatomy wise the lats do not get stretched with a wide grip, they actually get stretched with a small grip.


TLDR; you're better off with a normal pullup

>>41155732
>In movie
>Does half a pull up