weighted dips > bench the only people who disagree are fat

But... you can't even compare those...

>>41139567
Enjoy having no shoulder cartilage in 20 years.

>>41139594
shhhh, he can.... let him be

>>41139594
>you can't compare two horizontal pressing movements that primarily use chest, triceps and front delts

ermm, what?

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>>41139567
>compare an exercise that's more focused on the triceps with another that's more focused on the chest.

okay

>>41139567
Weighted dips seem more 'useful' to me

>>41139631
both of them heavily focus on both triceps and chest

>>41139646
You are doing benches incorrectly. If you focus on the strength coming from the chest, you hardly feel the tricep. Whether on dips, I instantly feel a great stress on my tricep.

>>41139656
You're doing bench wrong if you don't feel it in your chest AND triceps, you're doing dips wrong if you don't feel it in your triceps AND chest

>>41139567
Every person(including me, no brag) that's good at weighted dips and chin ups is usually jacked. Maybe its the relation with being lean and having relative strength but something about these exercises gets people jacked.
Not saying you can't bench, but its a good idea to involve them in your training.
>>41139594
both are a pressing exercises involving the chest, triceps and shoulders.

>>41139656
>>41139631
you are doing dips wrong

>>41139659
I feel it in both, but I would say:
>benches
>2/3 chest - 1/3 tricep

>dips
>2/3 tricep - 1/3 chest

>>41139671
>Every person(including me, no brag) that's good at weighted dips and chin ups is usually jacked.

How do you define "good"?

>>41139690
Pretty much anyone that does them regularly.
Im doing reps with 90lbs for dips and 70-75 for pull ups at the moment and id say im way above average considering most people struggle to do regular pull ups. So anything in the 50's is already good.
>>41139682
You are doing them wrong, I dont do anything but dips for my chest and my chest is very developed, much more developed than my triceps.

>>41139607
Jokes on you I already have none

Dips are bad for your elbows and shoulders, talking from experience

>>41139723
bench is bad for your elbows and shoulders if you don't do it properly

>>41139723
Don't go full ROM on dips then

>>41139567
why not do both holy shit you people are retarded

>>41140001
Because I have one movement as my PRIMARY horizontal pushing movement you fucking bum

>>41139567
Aren't they really bad for your joints?

>>41139567
Im 83 kg and i do i do 100 kg bench 5 reps but i cant do a singel bodyweight dip...
What could be the issue?

>>41140189
this, I feel better focusing on one rather than trying to divide time between the two

>>41140663
practice, just start doing them nigga

>>41139707
You are doing them wrong then

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I do dips instead of barbell bench. One if my favorites.

>>41140906
How to get juicy chest?

>>41140906
Incline/flat Dumbbell press
Incline/flat Dumbbell flies
Dips
Cable flies
3 to 4 sets, 8 to 12 reps each set for each exercise. Slow and very deep stretch when lowering each rep with a fast, controlled squeeze back to the start position. Also, make sure your shoulder blades stay pinched at all times to best expose the tit to the punishment.

>>41141024
encourage your BF (boyfriend) to fondle them simultaneously when he's pounding your BP (boypussy)

soy milk speeds up the process

>>41141024
Whoops I replied to myself
>>41141080

>>41141088
Seems legit

I just do bodyweight. If it gets easier I add more reps.

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>>41141146
no way in hell is that an efficient way of doing it

>>41141146
Dip belts aren't too expensive, definitely worth te investment

>>41139567
Hurts my shoulders and sternum. My form is fine (coached).

Prefer weighted pushups and dumbell bench.

>>41141200
>>41141213
I don't know, I don't like the feeling of weighted dips. I already weigh 220lbs you know?
My gym has weight belts.

>>41141219
You obviously aren't doing them right if they are hurting your sternum, which I would know because I had the same problem.

I started doing dips for triceps and since I did they're looking thick solid tight.

I did think my chest was growing faster, so I can believe it. I'm not gonna stop doing bench as my primary movement, it makes far more sense to me that it's better for chest looking at muscle insertions and movement.

>>41141219
Try applying a twisting force outwards with each hand on the handles, I've never had pain but it helped my friend with his.

>>41141220
what do you mean you don't like how it feels?

I dont like how any of the exercises feel, but I do them anyway. If you dislike how they strain your waist, you can always load weights inside a bag. either way, reps above 10-12 don't really have much to offer compared to adding weights. your body weight is not relevant either way once you hit these rep ranges.

>>41139624

>horizontal

am I missing something here?

>>41141270
>not doing a full planche when doing dips

>>41141270
even though they're not actually in the horizontal plane pushes are normally split into two horizontal and vertical

horizontal is antagonistic to rows and vertical is antagonistic to pullups and it's best to keep a balance between all 4

there's probably a better name but it's what i've always heard the categories called

There are people alive right now that don't even know how to do a proper dip leaning forward. It's like they don't wanna make chest gains.

Wew

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>>41139707
lmao how is your ratio like that, short wingspan compared to body and long torso?
can you 5x5 with 25 for deadhang pullups and 75 5x5 for dips( Full range of motion)
pic related me doing a 100 pound dip at 185 a month ago

>>41141263
>I dont like how any of the exercises feel
I love how all my main lifts feel though.

Deadlifts feel manly as fuck.
Squats make me feel rooted to the ground, like a solid tree.
Bench feels like I can crush someones skull

Weighted dips feels like I'm trying to keep my head above water but someone keeps pulling me down. It's not pleasant.
>reps above 10-12 don't really have much to offer
You're right, after 12 reps they stop building muscle. You actually LOSE muscle going over 12 am I right?

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>>41141458
do you shave your legs

>>41141220
Why don't you do bodyweight squats and pushups, and add more reps when it becomes easier? Barbells are for plebs.
This is the same logic you are applying to dips. Just do progressive overload load on dips, take it slow and work on form and listen to your body. If your shoulders or sternum hurt, you are neglecting something for an overall well being.

>>41141494
I don't do pushups, and squats are not an accessory, they are a main lift.
If I did pushups I wouldn't do those weighted either, I'd add more reps.

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>>41141466
I dont know why you chose to glance over my specific wording on efficiency. if you prefer to be pedantic then okay, no harm done.

>>41141494
I just lift my arms up and down in the air for overhead press, bodyweight is fine

if it's too easy just add reps

>>41141473
nah, just genetics(Ecuadorian). look at my arms, no hair on it either, don't really grow facial hair either at 22. Got flawless skin (aside from not being white).
Also hate the way the belt makes you look fat as fuck when doing them.

>>41141458
Post body pic? You look like shit here but strong af

>>41141458
That form looks like shit

>>41141088
Fuck me kek

>>41141308
kek

>>41141458
You look fat with no muscle definition

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>>41141592
Yea working on getting leaner in time for cottage season. At 182 atm, 5'9.
>>41141602
What's wrong with it? Serious question. Shoulders below elbows.

>>41139567

I thought dips were a meme until I got a belt to do them weighted, now I have seen the light. 3x10 with +70 lbs hits my chest harder than 30+ minutes of bench press

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>>41141675
I am tempted to ask for a video of you actually doing that 100lb dip

>>41141458
>going that low on the dip
i, too, hate my shoulders and want to damage them

>>41141675
Get some angle to your body, your knees are way too far forward. Probably help to get the weight up higher and get your legs around it.

No better feeling in the world/pump than super setting weighted dips with weighted pull ups or weighted inverted rows.

>>41140189
Then you're one lazy mother fucker. Theyre both good so stop pitting them you fucking moron

>>41141712
>That
>low
Nigga, I can touch the back of my palms with my shoulders on fucking dips.
Doing what you call 'proper' dips is less than a quarter of my ROM.

How to weight them? I need to tie a chain around my waist?

>>41141762
>his gym doesn't have a belt for adding weight.
I bet you don't even have power cages.
Or bars with different knurlings.

>>41141762
buy a belt. dont bother with the expensive ones. nylon are more comfortable but that might just be me

>>41141744
>durr they're both good so one can't be better than the other

what the fuck are you talking about? why are you so triggered lmao

>>41141747
Am i being memed, or have I actually been doing quarter reps this entire time? Most people stop at parallel. I Think I gotta work on depth after looking at this guy
https://youtu.be/DLEWf9otnrs?t=164

>>41141843
full ROM means shoulder are slightly lower than elbows

Anyone else get unbearable shearing pain in their chest and shoulders after dips? It's a kind of pain that literally nothing else has ever caused - it's dull but intense idk how to describe it

fuck dips theyre fucking up something in there

>>41141747
>nigga, i can damage my joints even more!
ah yes, very impressive
>>41141843
you should be at or slightly above parallel.

>>41139567
no. dips work your lower chest harder so unless you plan on adding in some neck presses or bench presses you are going to develop boobs.

>>41141968
stupid

>>41139567

best way to destroy your delts right there

>>41141693
what's so hard to believe? Not going to post my face on a Nunavut seal clubbing forum.

>>41139723
Bench is bad for your glutes and lower back, talking from experience

>>41141968
we're talking about the primary horizontal pressing movement

I still do incline db press as an accessory

>>41141999
explain or stfu bitch

>>41142041
you're talking about dips for chest which works the pectoralis minor much harder. incline db press is a shit exercise for chest.

Dips are the manlets exercise of choice.

>>41142074
>incline db press is a shit exercise for chest.
What did he mean by this?

>>41139682
do chest dips, triceps dont get hit hard, do regular dips, barely any chest. its about the form and you can do both weighted, or a mix

>>41140663
use the dip help machine and go down 10kg assist weight evry workout, youll get them in no time, i can do 20 dips and bench bw @70kg

>>41141263
i really dont like how legs forward dips feel, normal dips no prob, bothered me at the beginning tho. its a weird, unnatural movement that you need to get used to. that goes for most exercises, everybody just forgot how shitty their first squat session felt

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>>41142074
>incline db press is a shit exercise for chest

>>41142264
I mean you can't move as much weight from incline vs flat thus making it shit by default then what'a it good for it's marginally better than flat for upper chest only if you can move an abnormal amount of weight from it. it's good for incorporating more anterior delt than flat bench. it's basically the fedora or chest exercises.

>>41142030
He's saying you look like a small bitch I believe.

>>41142332
you must suck dick at flat bench really hard to think incline is good for chest

>>41141730
why dont you do front lever rows instead of inverted weighted its kinda the same but not so weird

>>41142356
>>41142347
oh right, you don't know how to incline press properly

at least you admit it then, fair enough

>>41142356
>Since flat bench is good for the chest, incline isn't
What type of reasoning is this?

>>41142347
How autistic are you, why did you reply without even reading the comment chain?

>Already doing heavy weighted dips as main chest exercise which focus more on lower pecs
>doing incline db press as an assistance exercise afterwards

I've noticed a lot more retards like you jumping down peoples throats without reading comment chains and not even understanding what the conversation is actually about, why do you bother making a fool of yourself?

>>41141762
just use a dumbell between your legs, you should worry about a belt at maybe 25lbs or whenever it gets uncomfortable/starts to feel like a leg exercise

>>41142369
wut. you shouldn't be able to move as much weight from incline vs flat if you can you suck dick at benching period

>>41142371
incline is shit because it's a weaker position than flat dumpass. being able to move more weight from a position is a major advantage flat bb bp holds over other chest exercises particularly vs incline

>>41139567
official dip thread i guess, so pls tell some of your stats i feel weird about my reps and weight
bw 155lbs
15 reps unweighted
10 reps 10lbs
5 reps 15 lbs
3 reps 25lbs
do i just suck at going heavy?

>>41142404
wasting your time doing two chest exercises when the guy who gets good at bb bp will put you to shame is all i'm saying

>>41142074
You have a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very small penis, chum.

>>41142421
It works different muscles, both are useful and should be incorporated. It's essentially somewhere between a flat bench and ohp.

>Dumpass
No you. >>41142421

>>41139567
I can do dibs with about 40 additional kilos, but the only place I feel them are my anterior delts, so I see no reason to do them.

>>41142445
and you're a tiny pussy, kid

>>41142443
Ok now it's 100% clear you've just started lifting, you don't even know what assistance exercises are lmao

I bet you're still doing starting strength...

>>41142421
So is leg press better than squats because you can move more weight?

>>41142451
You sound hungry. Why don't you suckle some din-din out of your father's pelvic teat?

>>41142443
hmm yes guess that's why bodybuilders only ever do barbell bench and most elite powerlifters never do any assistance exercises...

>>41142433
Ya, your weight progression isn't that good, but you are only 155 to be fair. I'd incorporate some more tricep and pectoral exercises to get them up.

I do 5x5 at 90 at 210 pounds. But Ive always had a good chest and triceps even before I seriously worked out.

>>41142443
Tell that to Pat Casey or Sergio Oliva, you fucking mongrel

>>41139624
Maybe you should learn proper form for dips, bro.

>>41142446
I'd rather build a huge bench as ultimately it has almost no limit to progress and thus will beat your multiple chest exercises as well you can tweak it to beat your incline and dips by playing with grip widths and touching different spots on your chest. You do dips and incline because you must make concessions, not because it's better. Sour grapes.

>>41142452
based retard

>>41142463
apples to oranges

>>41142476
bodybuilders are retards. elite lifters do assistances after building elite tier flat bench. cart before horse.

>>41141507
So you're saying instead of doing 8-12 reps with 90+ pounds, I should be doing nearly 40 bodyweight dips? 20-25 if I do 3 second negatives?

>>41142485
So you're disputing that dips work front delts, triceps and chest?

congratulations, you're a fucking retard

>>41142489
There should be a requirement that you have to complete a beginners programme and be lifting for at least a year before you're allowed to post here to stop clueless retards like you shitting threads up

>>41142504
you should take your own advice dipshit
ask pete rubish how he dipped his way to a 500 lb bench

>>41142489
And developing all your muscles involved helps increase your overall bench. If you don't do that, some muscles involved may be underdeveloped, forcing you to try to compensate by adjusting grip width,etc to non-optimal positions.

>>41142022
Xplain pls

>>41142516
Ask pete rubish if he ever does assistance exercises for bench retard

>>41142517
Dips ain't gonna be better for any of that tho. Adjusting grip width isn't compensating it uses different muscles which can be fine tuned to build a bigger bench from your strongest position.

>>41142516
>>41142520
you guys are taking advice from a guy named rubbish? lol. bet i could lick his faggot ass and suck his hot fat dick.

>>41142489

>assistance exercises are unnecessary

I'm sure you know more than literally every elite bencher that has ever existed

>>41142477
ok you got me wrong. these are all current maxes, im talking about the relation, because symmetric strength tells me that the 10rep max is far better than the 3 rep max, but im not sure if i can apply the formula to dips(they use the same rep formula they use for all exercise and use bw+added weight on dips), so i wanted to know if their formula is wrong or i suck at heavy dips. the formula was always right on other lifts for me

>>41142520
If you mean varying grip widths, okay. It's still a flat bb bp or maybe using dbs instead. I don't see many elite lifters do accessories for bench by dipping nor does it make any sense to unless you're training around an injury.

>>41142433
nah it takes time man. Incrementally rise up, also don't start out with 15 reps unweighted, just do no more than 4-6 then add weight and aim for higher weight with lower reps.

you can also do lower weight with higher reps, also 21s with body weight are fun for a nice burn

>>41142532

>Uses different muscles which can be fine tuned to build a bigger bench from your strongest position.

And this is what dips and incline will do as well. Except they also make you good at things other then bench simultaneously

>>41139607
People said the same thing about knees and squats yet everybody does them because people realized that EXCERCISE WITH PROPER FORM prevents injury

>>41142554
I see elite benchers varying their flat bench for accessory more than any other accessory because you can overload the fuck out of your tris and hit every part of your pec optimally. The accessories they do usually isn't more different suboptimal chest exercises.

>>41142554
yeah, bitch, i do. they existed before, and now i'm existing, bitch. i'm the here and now motherfucker. where they at? where those bitches at? yeah, thought so.

>>41142558
It just means you haven't developed those muscles for the higher weight Their formula is just an general estimate and isn't set in stone. Example, being able to do 40 push-ups doesn't mean you bench a specific amount over.

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Should I change my bench for dips? I think I'm gonna do it

>>41142568
No they don't. Dips can hit your tris hard. But close grip or reverse grip bb bp can hit them harder. For lower chest touch higher up. Dips are pointless. This thread is claiming dips as better than bench. Now the goal posts have slowly shifted to

>b-b-but it's a good assistance?

You're dumb. kys

>>41142605
kys ur dads penys

>>41142582

I disagree. While they certainly do vary flat bench, they also do all sorts of cable movements, incline, decline, flies, pullovers, etc. hitting their chest from any and every angle.

>>41142558
Don't trust the formula, it feels very off, I assume it weighs reps more than weights. For example, I can do 8 deadhang pullups with 25 on me, but it gives me a max of 83. My max was with 50 on me at 185. It says I'm weaker doing one with 50 pounds than with 8 with 25, which is not true by any point.

>>41142605
I definitely wouldn't claim dips are better. I never argued they were, I'm not the dumbass OP. Dips aren't pointless. They're a useful body weight exercise.

People that bench never only bench. The guys I know that can hit 500 at my gym spend most the time on other exercises like incline, skull crushes, ohp, etc. They spend a good deal of time on benching, but they aren't dumb enough to only bench.

>>41142626
Not much. Speficity rules in maximizing a movement and this fact is set in stone. Want bigger bench? Bench more. If you have time for accessories and aren't burned out great but that's a far cry from claiming dips as superior to bench.

>>41142652
Please never work as a personal trainer or physical therapist.

>>41142585
well even though i supposedly should be rather bad at low rep ranges due to rarely training them their formula always was right, at ohp bench dl squat frikkin every compound and even on stuff like a lat pul

>>41142639
formula is
2-95%
3-92
4-89
5-86
6-83
7-81
8-78
9-76
10-74
rule of thumb is 12-70, 15-65, 20-60. i mean try it out, its really precise for all compounds except maybe deadlift for the high reps

>>41142711
And are the deviations in weight vs rep the same? Such as comparing 15 rep bench to 3 rep?

>>41142561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqF-1uP8qcs

>>41142767
And you can find a shitload more of him benching. Your point?

>>41142821
>Uses accessories to improve his bench
>What does this have to do with using accessories to improve his bench?
Purposefully being obstinate on the internet is fun

>>41142821
see: >>41142516

>you should take your own advice dipshit
>ask pete rubish how he dipped his way to a 500 lb bench

see: >>41142489
>elite lifters do assistances after building elite tier flat bench. cart before horse

and

>I'd rather build a huge bench as ultimately it has almost no limit to progress and thus will beat your multiple chest exercises as well you can tweak it to beat your incline and dips by playing with grip widths and touching different spots on your chest. You do dips and incline because you must make concessions, not because it's better. Sour grapes.

see: >>41142443

>wasting your time doing two chest exercises when the guy who gets good at bb bp will put you to shame is all i'm saying

I could go on if you've forgot even more of the things you said during the comment chain?

>>41142848
>get baited into thread by retard claiming dip > bench
>get sidetracked by shifting goal posts into dip as an accessory
>find an obscure vid of guy doing dips
>somehow this proves anything
I'm sure he does dips from time to time for whatever reason but there is a reason you won't find many vids of it.

>>41142902
Nothing you quoted disproves anything I posted. There's like no vids of him doing dips besides that one. Lifters make a shitload of vids on what they spend a lot of time doing you autistic retard

>>41142926
>Lifters make a shitload of vids on what they spend a lot of time doing you autistic retard
You're presumably a lifter. Where are all the videos of your most performed activity, sucking your father's penis?

>>41142926
>claim elite lifters don't do assistance exercises
>someone posts a video proving you wrong
>"t-that doesn't prove anything"

sigh why do I even bother wasting my time

In his most recent bench video he does db bench at the end too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfMow1lSVGc

and in the one before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjypE8t9NTw

I could probably go on but I cba

>>41142940
>i'm gonna make a yt channel about how i progress in my lifts with hundreds of vids and only include a single video about le dips because i get mad gains from it!
great logic retard

>>41142962
>inventing claims and shifting goal posts further and further
let's save some time and skip to the end of your logic. elite lifters dress up like girls and do knee push ups. they just don't tell anybody. you're totally right too. and this proves dips > bench

>>41142360
Not sure why you think inverse rows are weird. I just set it up in the smith machine and put my feet up on a bench. Plus idk how you could add 2x45 lb plates while doing front levers.

>>41142973
>round, supple, powerful
great butt hotard

>>41142990
Why do you keep pretending to myself that this argument is about the original OP? it branched into you arguing that elite lifters don't do exercises like an hour ago

>>41142912
Me claiming the dip as an accessory isn't moving a goal post, I never tried claiming dips are better than benching. I'm not responsible for OP being a faggot

>>41143002
I don't give a shit which autismo lift you perform along with bench. It doesn't dispute the rule of specificity.

>>41143008
In that case, blinking is an accessory to bench cause ya know ya gotta know how to control your eye lids to lift properly. Nothing you posted proves dips as a good accessory. What makes it better than just doing narrow grip bp for tris or touching different spots on your chest?

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>Start a bait thread
>Get tonnes of replies

>Start off the seeds of smaller arguments
>Other people carry on the arguments for hours after you leave

lol, what's accessory work? is that the extra hours you put in at your receptionist job so you can afford nice accessories like prada bags and gucci sunglasses?

>>41143045
>y-you j-just need normal bench
>p-powerlifters d-don't do accessories
>*get proven wrong*
>c-close g-grip bench isn't an accessory

stop embarassing yourself

>>41143075
here's your you

>>41142740
no its not, thats my issue, it works on all compounds with this>>41142739
, bench squat and even other stuff

>>41142992
well doing them weighted seems weird, where do u put the weight? and a front lever row wont be possible for you, even easier variation will hit harder than inverted rows with 90lbs

i always hated dips, weighted or no. i never felt like i could get the form right, would love to be able to do them correctly though

>>41143057
What a life

>>41141080

>doing flies twice

is there any benefit to this?

>>41143139
You just lay the plates across your abs/chest area. Idk about your second statement.. not sure I buy that.

>>41143198
yes, maybe he'll flap so hard he'll fly away and we won't have to read about his shitty routines anymore

>>41143045
dude, i prefer benching over dips but if you think dipping isn't a great accessory for benching you're a fucking retard. can't remember the name of the guy but there was a powerlifter who used weighted dips as an accessory to set a world record bench, its mentioned in the texas method ebook by justin lascek.

further, the number of calisthenics guys who do heavy weighted dips always have high bench presses, without ever having benched before.

there is no substitute for bench presses in a powerlifting or even a general strengthening context but weighted dips are objectively useful as fuck to anyone who want to improve thier bench press.

>>41141922
I get this momentary pain when I get off and stop bracing. It's like my collarbones are being crushed by the tensed muscles.

>>41141458
I said im doing reps with 90lbs for dips and 75 for pull ups(dead hang)
By reps i mean sets of 5

>>41143231
is that why almost all the top benchers in the world do very few dips

but that one snowflake that you can never seem to name counters the entire history of world class benchers

almost everyone who lifts has fiddled with dips but almost nobody who benches heavy sticks with it because it's more like an alternative than an accessory and you will wear yourself out heavy benching + heavy weighted dipping all the time

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nah planche push-ups are better

>>41143045
You're just digressing further into retardation.

Dips work very relevant muscles to benching. I shouldn't have to explain that.

>>41143217
try doing some legit front level rows, they're fucking hard

>>41143301
>41143139

shouldint we be in BWG?

>>41143283
>just worked the fuck outta my chest doing heavy bench can barely move a muscle
>hurr gonna do some heavy dips now xD le accessory

>>41143301
Try doing 90+ lb inverted rows with legs on a bench and report back

>le 300lb roided out powerlifter who's working on very specific movement patterns doesn't do them so that means they're useless for the 99.9% of people who don't roid and aren't competing in powerlifting xD

>>41143333
I don't do any kind of inverted rowing in my routine

seeing as you're already setting up for 90lb inverted rows you'll be in the right position and obviously you're can bust them out like nothing so why not just do a few?

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>i intentionally gimp my lifts to perpetuate le accessory meme lifts

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>squats? not for me, you see my fine sir you can move more weight on the leg press so it's a better exercise

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>i can move more weight with a forklift therefor performing a maximal free weight movement compares properly

>>41143275
i'm not even him.

pat casey, first man to bench 600lbs used to weighted dips with over 300lbs attached to his body, which he attributed to his dips.

also, calisthenics guys with high dips have high benches.

powerlifters benefit from benching more than dipping, that is probably true. as i said in my post which you obviously failed to read, there is no substitute for benching so it makes perfect sense for powerlifters to bench, but there is no denying that dips aren't a great accessory to your bench.

you obviosuly don't really know what you're talking about, quit posting and spreading garbage

>>41143355
I'll try them Friday. I do weighted every thing and can so muscle ups so I doubt I will have trouble.

>>41143395
>that one guy making meme claims for attention
truly disproves everything we know

>>41143419
>meme claims
i'm the one talking sense here, dipping isn't as good for bench as benching, though it is useful for benching. saying dipping is worthless for benching is as retarded as saying that dips are objectively better than benching.

>>41143463
yes you are making meme claims

dips are the worst accessory you could possibly name for bench because it's an alternative to it not an accessory to it you non english as first language dipshit

you want to waste your shoulders doing dips because some genetic freak could tolerate doing both go ahead but there's a reason you rarely see big benchers sticking with heavy dips as a main acc.

>>41143500
>dips are the worst accessory you could possibly name for bench because it's an alternative to it

..sooo just like DB bench which is one of the most common bench accessories in the world?

>>41141458
Wtf you look insanely dyel

>>41139682
Youre doing triceps dips not chest dips.
I agree with you, OP. Bench is fun to do, but it doesnt develop shit, in my experience.

>>41139567
Is he natty?

>>41143520
db bench allows the arms to move independently from one another allowing for strengthening stabilizers and is widely regarded as a more shoulder friendly way to bench as a result of varying grips through the plane of motion. and many guys do treat it as a sub for bench rather than acc too. apples to oranges and predictably you shift goalposts again. i even mentioned db bench as a superior alternative already.

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>>41143500
>makes blanket statement meme claims despite being provided evidence to the contrary
>i'm the one making meme claims
you are autistic and your mother is disappointed.

>>41143567
pretty sure this whole thing started when you were shitting on db bench as an accessory and it's a bad idea to do 'two chest exercises' lmao

>>41143231
you prefer frenching older nips? that's gross dude, get help.

>>41143249
I meant, how is your pullups so close to your dips? You are a strong guy.

>>41143581
never would make such a claim in fact i pointed out how big benchers like rubish use it as an acc more than dips to that of which you failed to dispute. db bench has a lot more in common with bb bench while being easier on shoulders which makes it a perfect alt or acc.

>>41143581
Dude, they've been indoctrinated into thinking it's not exercise and thus fruitless unless it's "THE BIG 3(or is it 4 now) LIFTS" and everything else is a mere accessory.

This is the kind of shit that makes people call lifters fucking dorks and pushed people away from lifting heavy shit IRL.

>>41143618
Well the dip station i have is kind of wide so maybe thats why my dips arent as high as they can be.

>>41143643
>claim dips > bench
> can't support argument
>try and save face by claiming it's best accessory
>can't support argument
>false flag everyone as you begin to slip and fall on the fecal matter and piss running down your leg

>>41143670
you're aware there's dips in sheiko and some of nuckols' bench programs, right anon?

right?

>>41143533
I am DYEL. I'm moving DYEL weights, once i get up to 200 pounds on dipping I'll look good :(. post related.
>>41141675

>>41143756
Unlike the asspies you try and fail repeatedly to false flag me as, I'm not against doing dips in facr I do them but that's neither here nor there. I'm responding specifically to the claim that dips > bench and dips are a good accessory to bench, neither of which are true.

The reason I'd give for dips are

1. You suck cocks at benching/injury prone/shit genetics/can't get form right
2. Being strong in general

Note neither of these makes it a superior version nor a good accessory. It's best as a replacement or for overall strength. Some may find it compliment bench but most should find it fatiguing as a supplement.

>>41139707
>I dont do anything but dips for my chest and my chest is very developed,
Pic?
I never feel it in my chest, even with full tilt.

>>41141675
>90lb weighted dips for reps
>Chest looks like that
I think this is a pretty good reason to stick to bench press for chest.

>>41143815
>Dips aren't a good accessory because they strain the same muscles

Huh?

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>>41143817
Pic isnt as recent but you get the point

>>41143815
>neither of these makes it a superior version or a good accessory
squats are used by oly guys for general strengthening, does that make them a bad accessory too? you need to pull your head out your ass, stop nit picking over retarded definitions you made up come back to reality. 5/3/1 BBB has you using bench presses as an accessory (yes, wendler names them "accessories"), as well as using dips in his bodyweight program. as i've just said too, nuckols and sheiko both also use them as accessories to improve the bench press, whether or not that involves "general strengthening" is totally fucking irrelevant.

if you fancy arguing against those three guys, you're welcome. dips are used AS ACCESSORIES in every one of those programs.

waiting to see how you twist yourself out of this one, give it your best shot.

>>41143857
Could you quote where I said that or are you going for another quote war where you quote yourself repetedly while ironically replying to me.

Dips are hard on the shoulders compared to say, db bench which you can drastically modify the grip style and plane of movement while performing the same basic movement pattern.

If your goal is overall strength and not how best to develop chest dips are awesome because it's a different movement pattern to become strong in.

>>41143875
Nuckols and Wendler do not dispute the fact the best way to build any given lift is by performing it more nor do they insist anyone perform these lifts.

>>41143920
>Nuckols and Wendler do not dispute the fact the best way to build any given lift is by performing it more
i've already said that twice ITT. you've yet to offer a reason as to why its included in powerlifting programs, and don't give me that garbage about it not counting as an accessory because this or that or whatever blulshit excuse you gave before.

>>41143865
Not bad for no bench.
But your chest is definitely lagging next to arms and shoulders.

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>>41139671
Its probably more because it feels shitty to do as a DYEL

>>41143949
I'd have to have you give me the exact reason in their own quoted words why you'd dip for bench over close grip bp, db bp or just bench more otherwise you're just saying shit.

>>41141458
I know exactly who this Ryerson dyel spic is. Doesn't even fucking lift.

>>41143977
>Nuckols
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/how-to-bench/

ctrl + F "dips"

>>41144035
He only gives two reasons.

1. superior to DECLINE bench for tris and pecs. not to close grip bp tho
2. if you aren't training your punching muscle with ohp

Literally no reason given to choose dips over bench.

>>41144089
I like dips more and they have brought up my delts a lot. So why would i choose bench over dips?

100% agreed

Chest is looking amazing thanks to these.

>>41144109
I'm not telling you not to. I'm responding to the claim that dips > bench and that dips are a good accessory to bench. The first is false the second I'd almost always choose a different accessory to build bench like neutral grip db chest press or narrow grip bb bp. I like dips too but not making any retarded claims about it.

>>41144089
ffs why are you so fucking stubborn

he says dips are used to strengthen the pecs in a way invoving a downward push. a downward push is not used in a cgbp, so the dip has some use which the cgbp doesn't. therefore, the dip provides some enhancement to the bench press and is thusly a good accessory.

i'll just remind you that never did i say dips were superior to cgbp. cgbp is good, dips are also good, both are good for different reasons and there is no reason to have to choose only one of them.

Tried some dips today and at the bottom I felt a stretch in my front delts. Is this normal if you haven't done them in a good while?
I don't mean a bodybuilder "feel the stretch of the muscle bro", I mean it felt like I was literally stretching it out.

>>41144141
>he says dips are used to strengthen the pecs in a way invoving a downward push
As a superior movement to DECLINE PRESS. Not bench press you retarded faggot. He's decrying decline presses for people with shoulder issues and not giving any reason to train for a flat bb bp at that pressing angle. None. Zilch. Zip. Nada.

That falls perfectly in line with MY RAISINS: you can't bench and need a different plane of movement in this case dips which allow the scapulae to move freely are worth a shot.

>>41144191
that article quite clearly states:

are incline and decline presses good to help the bench --> incline presses not in a meaningful way unless the incline is low --> decline presses no but dips are a good way to train the pecs and triceps at that angle

unless you have learning difficulties it should be clear that the last paragraph there is arguing in favour of dips. he poses the question "Should I mix things up with incline and decline?" and concludes that dips are better than decline, implying that yes you should mix things up with declie but don't use decline, use dips instead.

i'm sorry but i dont know what else to tell you mate. you've stared evidence in the face and rejected it. can't argue with someone who insists that 2+2=5 - i'm out. i wouldn't bother responding by shifting the goal posts again because i won't bother reading it, i've made my point as well as it can be made. if you still disagree hit up nuckols.

>>41139567

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9mlUJjhZko

this thread was made for me

>>41144278
>unless you have learning difficulties it should be clear that the last paragraph there is arguing in favour of dips
Could you quote the reason why you'd train at any angle at all? Because that whole topic reads more like, "ISHYGGDT but if you do, do dips instead". In fact that entire section is titled with a question that he never actually answers yes/no as there's no evidence to train this way and no where does he state why you'd choose dips over other non retard angle presses.

>>41144354
seen a guy doing 90kg dips at the gym, looked insane

>>41144278
>The range of motion is shorter and muscle activation in the prime movers is either the same or lower across the board when compared to flat bench.
>same or lower across the board compared to flat bench
>Dips are a much better movement to train your pecs and triceps at that pressing angle
>at that pressing angle

Never once does he give the nod to dips over anything but a lift that first demonstrates as inferior to flat bench. He never once says why you'd choose dips as an accessory over others.

You haven't in any way answered why he'd choose dips over any number of bb and db pressing variations.

The actual reason why is because for a non powerlifter a person not interested in developing any one part of their body optimally would be better performing dips and band push ups due to them being safe and effective. This goes along precisely with the reasons I gave: overall strength and health. This does not make these movements superior or good accs to bp over others.

>>41144163
dont go so deep till you are used to it

>>41144354
the depth is far more impressive than the weight

>>41143533

Another 250lb bench guy who can't dip

>>41143793
>>41141675
>>41141458
None of you look good in any respect, go bench some weight. This dip meme has to go.

>>41139567
guys what do you think about weighted dips with chains? my gym got a lot of them and i can move more weight compared to weightbelt but they feel kinda weird. are you supposed to keep the feet down or can you go into a planche position with them

>tfw no gf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5dj18KS-1E

>>41145456
that was probably the longest set he ever did

>>41144163
go parallel and dont be shrugged when you are in a dip position, try to hold your shoulders back.

>>41140906
Nice manlet

>>41141250
>>41141219
>>41141260
any advice for the sternum issue? I was doing dips for about a month before I really hurt my sternum. even months later it still hurt. I really want to add this back in.

>>41146775
If your sternum hurts just never do dips again, you're not built for it and will just hurt yourself. Pick a different exercise like the bench.

>>41143198
More volume.
Your body reacts to weights and cables differently

>>41147005
Lol

>>41146789
Anecdotal, but my sternum hurt when I had dips and bench on different days, now I do them together and no more pain.

>>41147041
How old are you? Some people's sternums develop over time. But it is true that 1/4 people cant safely do weighted dips.

>>41139567
Isn't this Columbia Gym?

>>41143839
This

>>41139671
I'm not really jacked, could still be considered dyel even, I can 5x5 weighted chin ups with 35 pounds on my legs.

>>41148179
You have to have somewhat respectable numbers for it to count.

>>41146775
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqxwoQvMEjY

Give this a look, it's well worth trying to do them without pain despite all the shit slinging itt.

>>41139567
Last time I did dips 1/3 of my left forearm went numb for 3 hours and fucked up the rest of my session. I think the bar was pressing on some nerve in my palm. Does anyone have experience with this?

>>41151425
Yeah. You do.

Oh sorry, did you mean to ask if anyone ELSE has experience with it?

>>41141843
Holy shit that gym looks fun as fuck

>>41151806
Holy shit your dad looks gay as fuck