Natural muscle gain potential is so small that it's not

>>41117012
>t. DYEL

>>41117012
T. Someone who has never been sub 12% natty and retained significant mass

>>41117022
I'm actually someone that has been lifting for over 5 years.

I spent my first 3 years super autistically tracking every macronutrient/calorie, and I also did the science-tier based routines, high frequency, specific training blocks throughout the year, autistic tier levels of periodisation. I did all of that shit.

After years of doing that I eventually lost interest as it stopped being fun, and just got too serious for me. I had to make the decision to either quit lifting/eating like a autist, or relax on all of that, switch to a typical bro-split, and eat whatever I want.

Funnily enough I didn't lose any size or strength, and the muscle I gained over the 3 years of autistically tracking everything didn't fall off.

This entire experience made me realise I had just spent 3 years doing completely pointless restriction, austim and pointlessly running extremely hard routines for zero extra benefits. I literally put 0% effort into diet now, and 0% effort into routine and I literally look exactly the same as I did when I was putting in all that extra effort.

>>41117069
Post a picture of your body

>>41117214
>>41117214
this

>>41117214
a picture of your body

>>41117069
Post pics or fuck off

Im 5'11, im pretty big naturally. I don't look like a freak but everyone still calls me 'buff'. Women seem to like it and if i got any bigger i would look ridiculous. I would only take roids if i were 6'3 or over.

OP is right

t. oldfag /fit/izen

autistic food prepping like a deluded jason genova is only worth it if you're roiding too

>>41117069
What program did you do before the split? What do you think about full body?

>>41117239
pics or fuck off

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>>41117237
>>41117264
You don't need autistic food prepping.
3.5 years of push/pull hypertrophy bs and chicken nuggets diet with drinking every other weekend. Post your 5 year progress.

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>>41117407
I have my two year progress of lifting/eating less, still drink, still eat cake, still do whatever just at a defecit

>>41117431

Routine/diet autists BTFO

CHAD eats PIZZA

while you COUNT CALORIES

>>41117407
I was defending you OP :(

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>>41117012

so much truth to this, eaten a 50%+ fast food diet for the last 3 years and made solid gains, even when dieting down i just accounted for calories and still got away with eating KFC and mcdonalds like 3-4 times a week.

here's me at my leanest around 86kgs @186cm

>>41117485
Decent body sorry about your jaw

>>41117552
thankyou for your condolences friend

I don't have body dysmorphia so I'm fine with my natty gains and functioning heart.

>>41117012
>the overall efficiency of an automotive gas engine is about 20 percent
>oh, just x percent is efficient, so why should a faggot invest energy/time into buying a car, why not use your fucking legs instead
I feel retarded for even replying to this bait

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>>41117069
More like you learned what to do and learned to do it without realizing it you retarded mong

>>41117572
>t. 0.5/1/1.5/2

>>41118291

You're not wrong. My point still stands though

>>41118305
approximately right? cool

no worries man, just meme-ing

I'm natty too

>>41117407
routine/stats?
natty?
mirin

>>41117069
You didnt care even about protein intake?