Without trying to sound all /pol/ or ending up in some political

I'm left wing and I've almost hit 1/2/3/4 for reps. Don't consider myself big or strong though but, y'know, body dysmorphia.

>>41104913
>>41104949
I'm at 1/2/3/4 currently and fascist, not sure that physical strength has anything to do with political ideology

>>41104949
Well, body dysmorphia is something only weak lefties have.

>>41104949
I'm a Communist and I've hit 2/4/6/8 for reps a year ago.

Anyone can lie on the internet retard

I'm not huge by fit standards.
I'm a natural casual lifter, some people mention I'm big because I got some traps and upper back development.

I deadlift 400 lbs and I'm a realist to the point where I realize a social system should account for randomness and your parentage shouldn't be what defines your chances of succeeding. Thus there should be a limit to how much power you can gather and transfer to your offspring. Capitalism is a good system to optimize only for local maxima that don't even necessarily align with what's best for societies and will likely crumble or cause our societies to.
As far as social politics are concerned, I believe purity of race is stupid, people of all races are more or less equal, being "racist" isn't something that's unreasonable since you're just making a judgment based on your previous experience and is only really an "evil" thing if it's not based on actual evidence, in every other case it's understandable prejudice. Gender is a physiological thing, you can't decide your gender and force people to identify you as such, at best you can ask them to do so.

I generally have a very rational and subjective way of looking at things and I don't let emotions cloud my judgment much, so I don't fit with stereotypes of what most american retards have here about the left and the right.

>>41105000
non-lifter spotted

>>41104949
I'm ALPHA-OMEGA Hitler and i can lift 14/19/33/88 for reps. I don't lie.

>>41104913
It's quite litterally a bullshit story created specifically to lead dumbfucks to follow convenient political ideologies.

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Who else anarcho-capitalist/calisthenics masterrace?

>>41105085
AM HERE

>>41105081
>>41105007
Hahahaha. Do you faggots really think 1/2/3/4 is impressive?

I bet you also call people liars when they say they have a 6" cock.

Lefties are scared of individual strength. They like the role of helpless victim of the world.

I've been lifting for 6 years, so I'm pretty fit. I vote democrat every chance I get, so I'm fairly left-leaning. The problem is that the loudest lefties are always the biggest faggots and it makes us look bad.

>work has ~150 employees
>5 of us have good lifts, even if one is a curlbro, but he's cut and looks decent at least.
>all of us are left or centrist in our political views
>one of these 5 is the head bossman

shrug. probably has a lot to do with where you're from (we're mostly city-raised). most people born and raised in large, diverse cities with wide-ranging experiences and viewpoints are liberal. most people from homogeneous, insular suburbias are conservative

>>41105081
1488 brother

>>41105049
You mean 'objective', I think

>>41105131

It's only impressive if you're on steroids.

Otherwise it's impossible.

>>41105147
Yeah rephrased that and fucked it up.

>>41105133
That's the same with any group that anyone is free to associate themselves with. Right wing extremists make the right look equally as retarded.

>>41105049
>rational and objective view
>all races are equal
>what are standardized tests and IQ scores
wew lad

>>41105185
>what is nurture

Anglosaxons in the 1500s taking the tests of our day would also score lower than average, guess they're also retards.

>>41104913
Anybody who doesn't have generally libertarian views can GTFO.
>1/2/2.5/3 recovering skelly

>>41105202
I don't think you understand how IQ tests work

>>41105202
>anglo-saxons
>the 1500s

>>41104913
The daily mail is right wing, they are just publishing good feel news. If they could they publish that reading that trash cures cancer.

>>41105185
>X race is a problem because lower IQ
If you want to hate people for scoring lower on a test, why bother with race and just hate people that score lower on the tests?
Maybe it's because you're looking for an excuse to hate black people

>>41105202
they were just as intelligent as us they just had a smaller pool of knowledge to draw from. Some of the smartest people of all time are from that period.
How much delusion is required to maintain your worldview?

>>41105210
No I'm pretty sure you don't. In fact I doubt you have taken a statistics class at a university level and will just spout memes you read online and try to sound smart.

Gee. I'm really surprised this thread fell apart

>>41105208

Free markets, and free people, my brother

2/3/4/5 for reps at 200 lbs (so not very good)

>>41105253
On a macro scale no, because malnourishment is a determinate of lower IQ. But you're right still cuz the cap was in the same place

>>41105253
>a smaller pool of knowledge
So IQ tests are bullshit?

>>41104913
fullcommunist here 1/2/3/4 for 7 reps

>>41105282
IQ doesnt measure knowledge you fucking mong

>>41105282
As far as psychological tests go, they're pretty good

>>41105298
What does the I in IQ stand for

>>41104913
Reminder that even Arnold thinks Trump is not fit for the job of being US president

>>41105245
He said they weren't equal not "a problem", dummy. Read harder.

>>41105253

>but there were outliers then this proves I'm right

You're stupid if you think that general population of people born in then 1500s would score just as well as the people of today in IQ tests.

We get better nutrition, we grow up exposed to much more stimuli, much earlier, we learn to read from an early age, we are exposed to mathematical concepts formally.

If you think all these make less of a difference in the development of the human brain than "race" (by which you strictly mean skin color, let's be honest) then you are a simpleton.

>>41105318
It stands for knowledge

Oh wait it doesn't

>>41105049
>people of all races are more or less equal
This isn't true though. It'd be great if it were but it isn't

>>41105264
No u don't.

>>41105298
That's my point although most variants do measure knowledge of language/culture.

>>41105300
Tallest dwarf shit.

>>41105327
Reminder that no one cares what a bodybuilder brainwashed by ZOG and past his prime thinks.

>>41105344
It's true. White people get all burnt and shit just going out in the sun for a few minutes. How have they even survived so far it's crazy.

>>41105049
>what is HBD

>>41105368
Reminder that you're on /fit/.

>>41105280

IQ doesn't necessarily have a cap you mongo.
It's just normalized with a mean of 100. Which means that with tests adjusted for the 1500s the average score would be 100 and with tests adjusted for now we average 100.

I specifically mentioned the people of 1500s would be taking the tests of our day in >>41105202 . But as I pointed out in >>41105264 all you can do is repeat memes trying to sound smart because of something you read once on the internet while having no idea of the actual concepts involved in the discussion.

>>41105049
>I generally have a very rational and subjective way of looking at things and I don't let emotions cloud my judgment
>b-but you shouldn't be allowed to leave your possessions to your kids! Everything else in life is dictated by your parents b-but it's not fair!
fag

>>41105371
Black people get dry flaky skin going out in the cold for 2 minutes how have they survived? Oh yeah coconut butter

>>41105368
Yeah, I guess that's why they used a picture of him for that article

>ZOG
Back to /pol/

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>>41105398
So I guess the Asians win.

I for one welcone our new Asian overlords.

>>41105049
>lefty calls americans retards
>lefty says he's too intelligent for the american political dichotomy
nothing new here really

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>>41105423
>he can't notice patterns
go be a nigger somewhere else

>>41105396
>s-society should protect my ownership of what daddy gave me because I'm not man enough to achieve the same success on my own

This totally makes you an alpha, dude.

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>>41104990
How the FUCK are you "fascist" (I actually cringed) when literally ALL you do is quietly play Rammstein and Nazi march songs through your headphones, TERRIFIED that any black or muslim guy in the gym might hear it and knock seven shades of shit out of you? You wouldn't even WHISPER your views. Stop pretending you're some "crusader", you're a cringeworthy 18 year old KID who has to take ANXIETY MEDICINE (FUCKING LMAO) because your parents (and society) think you're weird to the point of ILLNESS. LMFAO.

Lmfao. It's hilarious, because despite the talk, you're TERRIFIED of us. Lmfao. You KNOW this is true, you KNOW you're nothing more than a pathetic, shy autistic KID who LITERALLY CAN'T LOOK PEOPLE IN THE EYES LMFAO, yet of course online you're a "crusader" (I actually cringed just typing that lmfao). You BOW your head when you see me in the street, you fucking SHIT YOURSELF when you see us late at night, and you're SUCH A LITTLE BITCH THAT YOU CROSS THE STREET TO AVOID US. LMFAO.

Again - go ahead and type out a butthurt reply, but deep down you KNOW what I'm saying is true. That's what makes it so hilarious - literally ALL young western european "nationalists" are scared, pathetic COWARDS. Sure, you have your little Steam groups/IRCs where you whine about "the shitskins", you bitch on your little forums, but WE CONTROL YOUR STREETS. LMFAO. You are PETRIFIED to leave the house after dark, because of us. LMFAO. Aww, little suburban bitch, did the scary dark man give you a nightmare? Don't worry, just go and play Crusader Kings, you can be a real man there! LMFAO.

>>41105444
Americans are on average poor, enjoy a shit standard of living, fighting wars (internally and externally) that don't benefit them in the least.

I didn't say I'm too "intelligent". I was just raised in a better environment.

Sorry you were born american.

>>41105477
I love obvious false flagging designed to make the white slaves easier to control!

How can any man look at what's going on in the world and still be left wing? Are you just trying to get laid cos that's fair enough if you are

>>41105390
On a personal level it does, asshat

>>41105534
That doesn't make sense.

>>41105540
Your IQ has a cap. You're not going to wake up tomorrow with a higher IQ

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>>41105513
Lmfao. Is this a joke?

Do you /pol/fags ACTUALLY BELIEVE that white men are DROPPING out of society? They're being SENT out. LMFAO.

This, THIS is the reason stormfags are so fucking cringeworthy. Let me tell you right now: Nobody NEEDS to run a "false flag" operation on 4CHAN INTERNET VIRGINS to try to "dissuade them from breed with white women", BECAUSE THEY NEVER HAD A FUCKING CHANCE ANYWAY. LMFAO.

Legitimately hilarious. So fucking pathetic how you incels actually think ANYONE cares about you enough to try to stop you from spreading your "aryan master race" genes, when THERE AREN'T EVEN ANY WOMEN WHO WANT THEM ANYWAY. LMFAO. Fucking lol @ /pol/fag autists idolizing Patrick Bateman/Clint Eastwood or some other "strong Aryan man" who looks INFINITELY better than you EVER will, but you convince yourself you're on par with him because you're both white, lmfao. Face it. You're about as invisible to women as air.

>>41105453
Are you suggesting everyone is entitled only to the wealth they earn? Why can't a parent pay their child according to how much they value them? Should married couples be allowed to share money? Should people be allowed to give charity or gifts?

>>41105202
I wonder if there was any way to account for that. Man if blacks from rich families with max nurture did the same as poor ass whites from trailer parks that would be pretty bad for your theory. Oh wait.
>>41105245
>all races are equal
>objective measures show races arent equal
WHY DO U HATE BLACKZ SO MUCH WE WUZ KANGSSS

>>41105339
Okay so compare black, white, Asian, IQand SAT scores when income in equalized in households and tell us what conclusion you come to. See how this argument has come back around full circle? This1500s argument is moot and even if it was worth getting into lets just go ahead and compare what each country around the world looked like at 1500 as a proxy for IQ scoring.

But then again, something tells me you'd have an excuse for what follows that train of thought as well. Pathetic honestly.

>>41105339
if you legitimately believe human intelligence has measurably increased in the last few thousand years then you don't understand the difference between intelligence and knowledge

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>>41105477
>>41105566

>>41105517
Normalcy bias or just trying to get laid.

>>41105600
Coincidentally, /pol/ is on the left side of the IQ distribution as well

>>41105338
>>41105580
I'm not saying races are equal. I'm saying that if you're gonna hate black people, be honest with yourselves

>>41105553

What? You can improve how well you perform in IQ tests. By eating better as a child. By being taught advanced math as early as possible. By having optimal nutrition, sleeping patterns etc. throughout your life. By training for tests specifically.

Your "IQ" isn't something abstract, it's how well you do in a specific set of tests. And you can optimize for that.

Are you arguing for a cap for intelligence? Obviously there is but that's so far beyond the point.

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>>41105631
also true

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>rich blacks have the same iq as poor whites
b-but i thought wealth was a factor and it had nothing to do with race

>>41105631
Remember 2011 when we were all just pretending to be racist

>>41104913
I'm a Jewish transgender feminist and I do 2/3/4/5 for reps

>>41105600
And there's also a gap between your number of sexual partners and the average black guys'.

Unfortunatelty we can't represent that on a graph, as you have none whatsoever, meaning the average black guy (literally) has had INFINITELY more sex than your incel ass.

But yeah. I'm suuuure your oneitis will reeeallly prefer your "IQ" to Alpha Tyrone's LONG, DOM BBC.

>>41105517
normies are always blind to the problems of this world, oversocialization tends to do that. they won't do anything until their cliques decides to too

>>41105643
>so far beyond the point
And?
We're talking politics on the fitness section of a Jordanian Goat-romace imageboard

>>41105593
>being this retarded

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Don't worry your offspring might still catch up.

>>41105477
>Autistic leftist screeching

Your kind just got physically BTFO by fashy right-wing chad nationalists in Berkeley of all places.

>>41104990
>I'm at 1/2/3/4 currently and fascist

Me too (for reps at 172lbs). Keep lifting brother, and hail victory.

>>41105278
>2/3/4/5 for reps at 200 lbs (so not very good)

That's really good you righteous faggot, I'm mirin'.

>>41105652
You literally just posted a picture proving wealth is a factor
You're making two distinct claims there

>>41105641
>saying races demonstrably aren't equal in all measures is "hating black people"

Pathetic.

>>41105652
>Black people make more money than white people with same IQ
>/pol/ thinks this somehow means white people are smarter
???

>>41105477
I'll take the bait

You're irrational and not everyone can be physically intimidated. I can hold my own. You will never be taken seriously in society for mental prowess or fortitude, especially if this is how you communicate.

>>41105655
Can we change the captcha for some sort of irony test so we can stop the idiots that didn't get all the faggot nigger shit from back then.

>>41105697
That's the sat scores of children versus their parents income senpai.

>>41105697
Black people work harder.

>>41105049
*dib*

>>41105690
Gee, how would I ever fall under the ridiculous assumption that this discussion is going to head down that path

>>41105718
If we didn't allow people to post from IP's that haven't been on 4chan for a whole year, /pol/ would be a ghost town

>>41105720
That wouldn't make much if any difference tho. IQ is partially genetic. What that shows is that black people with worse genes for IQ earn more than whites with similar IQ. Why is this? I would guess work ethic.

Thread devolves into NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER right on Q.
Time to get my thread hide button ready cause the agenda is in full effect right now.

>>41105753
you didn't understand the graph, most likely due to low IQ

>>41105750
Truth.

>>41105139
Wew. This is actually good quality bait.

>>41105761
Could you imagine doing it for free and not even getting to say that shit in public for white Knight points

>>41105750
it would just lack the shariablue shill shit as of lately. /new/ has been prevalent for a long(er) time, new /pol/ is essentially /b/ grown up regarding influence whereas /b/ has devolved to pure porn

>>41105652
>financial inequality is the only sort of inequality there can be

You're evidence of the opposite anon. Lots or people that made the same amount of money as your parents raised normal kids.

You're the type of autistic piece of shit that posts racist shit that no one outside of americans care about on an international image board. So the fact that you were raised by illiterate parents might play a role here.

>>41105735
Try to maintain your rationality and not make assumptions, if only for the purpose of adult conversation.

>>41105775
>/fit/ people with views that are not right-wing?
>Can't be real, must be bait!
Confirmation bias in action

>>41105788
*ebonic screeching*

>>41105799
yeah, coming from your side weakling

>>41105773
Rationality and experience have told me that nobody is citing racial IQ statistics as a fun fact. I'm just skipping past the pre-tenses since we've all heard all that shit already

>>41105085
AM HERE

>>41105390
A test taken in the 1500s compared to a test in the 2000s, with adjustment for cultural differences, would score much lower.

Flynn effect my dudes. Your children will have more fluid and abstract intelligence than you. And theirs, them.

Reminder that intelligence and liberal views also correlate
http://theconversation.com/do-smart-people-tend-to-be-more-liberal-yes-but-it-doesnt-mean-all-conservatives-are-stupid-57713
>Up to 16% of “conservative syndrome” is reportedly due to low cognitive ability.

>>41105753
>Why is this? I would guess work ethic.

Hiring preferences. There is massive pressure to hire, promote and retain blacks pretty much everywhere, but since so few of them have an IQ above 100 there is a consequent lowering of standards.

>>41105718

Wow WHO would have guessed the people who came here 10 years ago when the internet wasn't ubiquitous and had a high bar of entry would be more sensible than the people who come here now where the internet comes "already installed on my phone" who still manage to fuck up spelling bad enough to fool the finely tuned autocorrect algorithm that runs on it.

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>tfw too weak for /pol/
top kek

>>41105787
>shill shit
This is the number one newfag claim.
The fact that you couldn't fathom that people on the Internet are being disingenuous for fun, and instead are being paid to shitpost on a Ukrainian cat-breeding forum.
4chan's number one enemy has and will always be 4chan

>>41105833

It's true, as IQ increases you get more liberals. But after a while, when you start looking at very high IQs (>140 or something), the ratio of conservatives starts increasing. I wonder what the explanation is.

>>41105049
>I don't let emotions cloud my judgment
>You shouldn't be allowed to benefit from your parents' success because it's not fair

Wew lad

>>41105185
>>41105344
societal differences outweigh biological ones at a disproportionately high factor in terms of influencing one's intelligence.
(NURTURE > NATURE)

Take the average english kid and the average somalian, canadian,indian, chinese, and polynesian, raise them from birth under the same roof with a good income base, parental support and social development, nutrition, value systems, etc. and they will turn out more or less equal.
Disparity between races is due to lasting systems of division and a disproportionate extraction of wealth to the northern hemisphere, taken from the south. this is not to undermine any 'western' accomplishments, only to explain current society.

I can't believe i've stooped low enough to correct some faggots on the internet, yet, I can't help but think that I'm mixed, part of my family is black, and they are the highest earners and the most intelligent of anyone I have come across.

Racism is retarded, and your convictions no doubt stem from some other shortcoming in your life that you wish to blame on other races, whilst simultaneously taking credit for everything your white ancestors did that you did not.

Well said>>41105049

>>41105453
Immediately with the strawmen and ad hominems

>>41105885
>Disparity between races is due to lasting systems of division and a disproportionate extraction of wealth to the northern hemisphere, taken from the south.

Even if this were the case, what made it so that Europeans were in a position to disproportionately extract wealth from the S. hemisphere to begin with?

>>41105853
well, depends on timescale but I am indeed a newfag by old definition, as I started in late 07'. Though, my generation of newfags is getting older too and it's still within the timeframe where important stuff happened to the site.

>>41105865
The further away from the average you become on either side the more you crave simplicity in many ways.

Conservatism and liberalism are retarded bullshit to be honest. It's just a way to seperate the sheep and make them fight over a few blades of grass to keep them busy and docile while the shephards sheer them and pick off the tastiest looking ones to make into a meal.

>>41105833

Can confirm, went to a public university (thus no tuition) that required almost perfect scores to get into and since then most people I interact with are from a similar background (people who scored well in tests and didn't have to pay a fortune to study). I think I've only been in a team with less than a couple of people who don't have a Masters, after working all these years. And a lot of the people I hang out with have PHDs. Most of them are "liberal" in the american sense.

>>41105885
Nature is the foundation upon which nurture relies.
I agree racism is retarded, but not because of that.
90% of /pol/'s talking points are built around refuting that stupid argument. Nature is the foundation upon which nurture is built. It's why you don't see too many quantum physicists with an IQ of 80

>>41104913
Okay, I will say this is scarily true. I used to be super emotional and care about transgender feely-weelys. The more I lifted, the more I adopted a culture of poverty mentality.

>>41105885
So how do you explain difference of IQs between brothers and sisters? I have a better iq than my brother and my family were a lot better off when they had him even sent him to a better school

>>41105909
What the hell are you trying to say here?
The old newfag definition is out the window anyway. If you've been here since 2010 I'd say you're basically caught up

>>41104949
you type like a beta

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I'd probably be classed as far left
I've recently passed 1/2/3/4
I'm pretty sure political stance has no baring on fitness and strength other than perhaps the fact most people with extreme left wing views tend to get bullied in school and thus are more likely to lift

Most people are neither left nor right wing, they have values and ideals and things which work for them- the whole right vs left thing that america has evolved into is 100% retarded because it forces stagnation and lack of free political thought/change

>>41105885
This isn't true at all you ignorant dumbass. Have you ever heard of adoption? We tried that and the same shit happens.

>>41105995
>more likely to lift
I don't think berating people is the number one way to get them to change.
I keep calling my daughter a fat cunt and see hasn't lost any weight. I'll keep trying and get back to you

>>41105007
>2/4/6/8 for reps
No you haven't

>>41106021
I disagree, I think a lot of people started lifting out of insecurity or because they thought they were fat/small/etc

Whether insulting people at home encourages said insecurity is another argument

>>41105885
>Racism is retarded

Hating people from another race is indeed retarded, but being mindful of the behavioral inclinations of other races is not. E.g. I won't ever live in an area that is more than about 10% black, because black neighborhoods are almost universally shitty. I'm sympathetic to their situation, but not to the extent that I'll endanger my family.

>shortcoming in your life that you wish to blame on other races, whilst simultaneously taking credit for everything your white ancestors did that you did not.

Well it's not like white "racists" are the only ones who do that. You can't go a day without reading about some black/hispanic/etc activist whining about whitey keeping him down, and blaming all white people for what a tiny minority of whites did to their ancestors generations ago.

I figure, if I'm gonna be blamed for something other white people did generations ago, not necessarily my ancestors, it's only fair that I take credit for the good stuff other whites did, no?

>>41106050
You're probably right. I'll stick to physical beating. At least that encourages her to move

>>41105477
This guy keeps doing this. The style of posting indicates it's the same guy over and over. He gets severely upset by any mention of right wing politics, and then writes up these shitstorms with CAPITALIZED words interspersed.

It's pretty creepy desu.

>>41105085
Done

>>41105914
Then arrives the middling IQ Centrist, spouting platitudes and adding nothing of definite value to the conversation. Thanks anyway - I'm sure you're very fair-minded and wise.

>>41106088
I thought that was just pasta
You're telling me that dude is seriously that butt-bamboozled?

>>41104913
sure, im a marxist and i dont really see liberals as leftwing

>>41105906
fortuitous agricultural development in light of the soil composition and abundance of animals that could be domesticated, allowing for population growth thanks to the food sources available. we just happen to be living in the period in which Europe and north america rules
The west's time will pass as global hegemonic leaders. You and I will just have to live a lot of our lives before we get to see it. How do you explain the rise of economies such as Brazil, South Africa, China, India, and more?

>>41106088
>>41106099
It's pretty obvious false-flagging...

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>>41104990
>calling yourself a fascist

>>41106138
>false-flagging
Jesus Christ we even politicized the word "trolling"
This website deserves to go under

>>41105924
would you care to relate it back to the topic please, because right now you're all over the place with prophetic and vague statements. of course you don't get physicists, or anyone academic for that matter, with low IQs, you moron. That is overwhelmingly obvious as well as a prerequisite condition of advancing through higher education to get into that position initially. it doesn't make you deep to state the obvious.

Applied to my point, who's to say that some impoverished child living in a land fill site in India doesn't have the propensity to become the smartest man on earth? Maybe you're referring to innate levels of intelligence, which I agree varies (nature) but is not confined by some hierarchy of race. Natural intelligence is spread equally high and low across all races. My point is that without the nurturing of schooling, nutrition, social life, etc. that poor Indian kid won't amount to much, whereas someone of avg intelligence in the USA who is white but has had top-quality schooling will go further

Becoming strong and fit means believing science, following rational advice and controlling your behavior. Liberals have none of that

>>41105941
variation in intelligence, innate that is, is a factor that cannot be overcome sure, i left that out my bad. but this variation can be seen across all races - hence, retarded white people and genius white people, and retarded black people, and genius black people (if provided the same opportunities of schooling).
Nature plays a role, but it is not confined to humanised social hierarchies based on skin colour. Which is what I was trying to assert, that given the right tools and guidance a naturally gifted or a naturally slower human will develop more so than if they were without the support, regardless of colour

>>41105453
This is so fucking retarded it blows my mind

Should a parent let his child starve on the streets if it came to that? How the fuck can leftists be this evil?

>>41106111
>marxist
>breathing

pick one

>>41104913
Not very strong but I fight at an amatuer level and am left wing

>>41106167
Nigga, that isn't trolling.
That's false flagging.

>>41106190
>believing science
>conservative american

pick one

>>41105493
I'm not american you faggot, stop acting like your shitty european socialist countries are so enlightened when you're a dying breed

>>41106170
And we would all say it's a travesty that that Indian kid can't "reach his potential". Key word there is potential
I guess what im saying is that you don't have to pretend everypoor kid is gonna be Einstein to still want to lift poor kids out of poverty.
Seems like a bad argument for a good idea to me.
Pardon for the disjointed posts, I'm on a phone

>>41105185
>doesn't understand bio 101

>>41106111
Because they're not comrade. Is okay. Communism is the inevitable future. And anyone who tells you Hagel is complicated is engaging in class warfare

>>41106219
He's posting stupid shit on 4chan and pretending to be somebody else for (you)s. That's trolling my nigga. Stop pretending we're in the CIA

>>41106167
Trolling is when you post something to make people mad or get responses

False flagging is when you pose as someone else to make them look bad

Right wing is stronger by default. Conservatives are typically less reliant on government, and in order to be less reliant on anything, personal strength is required.

Not only that, but a higher test person is more defensive of what they have, thus side with the right wing more often as it is generally against radical change.

>>41106050
Yep. This is it. Rightists desire a strong leader because they are weak insecure people who need to feel superior to someone they disagree with and need to be coddled. That's also why they are prone to conspiracy and delusional simplistic world views.

>>41106267
He's still making people mad to get responses. I concede it's both

>>41106066
don't hurt yourself on your high horse there, there is no need to be defensive. I was not attacking white people ( i am mostly white), merely pointing out the un-falsifiable logic behind racist thinking. Just as i maintain that intelligence knows no boundaries of race, nor does idiocy. Yes, non-white activists can be pricks too, but that does nothing to detract from the wrongdoing inherent in racism perpetrated by white people - to whom I was addressing on this board, because of their comments it was easy to identify their race from their political position. If you're a cunt expect to be viewed as one, doesn't matter to me who you are.
And I agree with your first point to an extent, it cannot be denied that black people disproportionately live in worse areas than their non-black counterparts. But do you think that this is a fault of their own? Or that their skin colour justifies this? Poverty is a damn hard thing to escape. No one's asking you to be some SJW and uproot your life to live in a ghetto, just be aware that aspects of society are more often than not deliberately constructed with a purpose - be aware, not naive.

>>41106272
>Conservatives are typically less reliant on government, and in order to be less reliant on anything, personal strength is required.
....

>>41106099
It's not pasta, he writes up posts similiar to this one all the time - as a matter of fact you can hop into the thread about age gaps in relationships between men and women and he has an identical post like this one, except it's about religion instead of racism.

>>41106272
I agree, rightists are typically less intelligent and more prone to paranoid thoughts

>>41106117
>fortuitous agricultural development in light of the soil composition and abundance of animals that could be domesticated

Animal domestication seems a plausible explanation to me, but it's hard to say - did Africans actually *try* to domesticate animals?. I am not sure soil composition is a big factor - after all South Africa became successful despite presumably having similar soil to the rest of Africa.

>How do you explain the rise of economies such as Brazil, South Africa, China, India, and more?

I am not sure what your point is here. What about those countries, are you implying any of those will be the new global superpower?

>>41106286
He didn't specify physical strength, dumbshit

>>41106299
How about reading a book? Oh wait let me guess? All science is a Jewish trick?

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>>41106298
>t. guy that got his world view from a middle aged balding jew

>>41106299
Would you try to domesticate animals or build massive stone structures if you lived in the garden of eden?
Where hunting was plentiful and food grew easily and without much effort on your part if any?
Where the temperatures were warm?

>>41106302
But conservatives are mentally weaker than leftists

>>41106307
Of course it is. Did you not get the memo in last week's white nationalist chain e-mail

>>41106318
That's exactly the response I expected lol. That's why I don't take the right seriously. You've been trying to stop the progression of civilization for forever and you always lose. In the end the good guys win.

>>41106325
(you)

How has this thread not been deleted

>>41106349
>the good guys win
>forward progress is always an inherently good thing
>the left is going in the correct direction
Solid bait

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>>41106332
Science is a liberal (jew) conspiracy to advance white genocide and usher in the era of the google super-intelligence that the inter-dimentional pedophile vampires will use to overthrow the righteous will of god #pizzgate #MAGA


>rightists actually believe this

>>41106299
My point is to assume that one particular nationality, race, ethnicity, creed, or whatever you wanna identify a defining characteristic as, is superior by default of them possessing just some distinguishable characteristics lacks logic. Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, Ancient Greek city-states, the Roman Empire, and more all thought that there was some uniqueness to them that gave them their success. They were successful, sure, I am not denying that. But to attribute initial success to a guarantee for all of time that the positions will remain so is ignorant at best. Citing those countries before in the 'global south' that are rising to global economic preponderance now was to illustrate the point that there is a lot of competition for the top place the western allied states hold currently, and it is not far off becoming a more fierce and immediate confrontation. They may be a new superpower, similarly the world may diverge into a multi-polar distribution of power, with several states as 'equally' successful. Therefore, to conclude that Europe and America are better off now because they are, and have been, better for all time is a stupid concept.Again, no denying their success, I am bloody grateful to live there, but I also understand how and why it got there, and not to blow my fortuitousness out of proportion and confuse it with superiority

>>41106349
>In the end the good guys win.
You must have missed the chapter in history where every left wing empire ended up collapsing in bloodshed.

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>>41106117
You know Guns, Germs, and Steel is almost entirely false, right? Maybe the different environments caused different adaptation to those environments.
>Brazil, South Africa, China, India
How many of these were created by Sub-Saharan Africans?

>>41106362
All of those things are objectively true

Except the first, 1930s Germany degenerated hard for example. Now they are better than ever thanks to the free market Aka liberalism

>>41106375
>being this ignorant of history
Someone didn't go to college
Heres your (you), plz read more

>>41106382
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not true

>>41106283
>And I agree with your first point to an extent, it cannot be denied that black people disproportionately live in worse areas than their non-black counterparts. But do you think that this is a fault of their own?

I think it's a combination of factors, and it's unclear to me how strongly each factor contributes. The US is stratified by race, sure, but if you look at the UK, the British (white) underclass exhibits many of the same pathologies as the black underclass in the US. So it can't be all racial.

>Or that their skin colour justifies this?

I think that with this comment you are sort of pretending that the reason racism exists is just because of skin color. While I do agree that humans will generally find any reason to hate other groups, for the most part, whites are wary of blacks not because they have a darker skin tone, but because that skin tone is more strongly associated with criminality and violent behavior relative to a light skin tone.

>Poverty is a damn hard thing to escape. No one's asking you to be some SJW and uproot your life to live in a ghetto, just be aware that aspects of society are more often than not deliberately constructed with a purpose - be aware, not naive.

I agree, but there are also times when things seem deliberately constructed but are in fact just emergent features of underlying motivations groups have in common. For example - white flight - this isn't a conscious effort on the part of white people to keep neighborhoods segregated. It's just that in general we want to be in the safest, cleanest communities we can afford. I use white flight as an example because I do have black friends who have complained to me about white flight and I try to explain that it's not explicitly about race, it's just innate preferences which have not-necessarily-intended consequences.

>>41106383
>the current left gives a fuck about your liberty
Wew lad

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>>41106349
>progression
>good goys always win

>>41106397
I noticed you didn't cite which books or why he's wrong

>>41106418
It's the right that is trying to take away peoples freedom son. Either dumb as fuck or troll. 3/10

I smell a false flag fake leftist

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>>41105697
>>>41105652
>>Black people make more money than white people with same IQ
>>/pol/ thinks this somehow means white people are smarter
>???

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>>41106426
>blaming the Jews because you're too stupid to understand the world around you

>>41106307
>How about reading a book?

Ah, the wonderfully predictable reply when a leftist is out of arguments. IT'S NOT MA JOB TO EDUCATE U. It's code for "please go away and spend time on something else instead of debating me, but I want to save face so I'll claim you lack education without being specific as to what".

>>41106322
>Would you try to domesticate animals or build massive stone structures if you lived in the garden of eden?

But wait, I thought the argument was that Europeans had favorable environments. You're now saying that... Africa's environment was more favorable and Eden-like?

>>41106440
Everything rightists don't like they call a conspiracy

>>41106461
>being this proud of your ignorance

And you wonder why people don't respect your ideas

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>>41106349

>>41104913
Spanish right winger here.

I would attribute my alignment due to growing up rather than as a result of getting /fit/ though

>>41106453
>responding to my post

(You)

Never do it again.

>>41106463
Found you. Why did you decide you start (((doing it for free)))? Were you pissed off that /fit/ wasn't giving you anybody to re-hash the bullshit claims you get a hard-on refuting? Go find some feminazis on twitter. We'really busy trying to make it

>>41106480
>>41106478
>memes are arguments

Right wing logic lol :) now call me a cuck

>>41106397
>he went to collage
there's your problem. They teach you what they want you to know, not the truth. You are so oversocialized you can't even take a look at history through an objective lense, or do your own research, instead you just parrot what you ware told. You have my sympathy.

>>41106479
did you vote ciudadanos?

>>41106499
This is just sad anon. Education isn't indoctrination. No wonder you guys don't have arguments. You don't even know how to think critically or logically in the first place.

/fit/ as fuck

to the right on economic issues
to the left on social issues

i love papa trump

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>>41106463
>everything the right claim is a conspiracy
>yet they're always proven right in the end

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>>41106522

Lifted for two years but my diet is shut because it's college and I get laid enough that I don't need to stop drinking beer. Classical liberal I guess. Little down and left of center

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>>41106534
>the right being proven right ever

>>41106461
>But wait, I thought the argument was that Europeans had favorable environments. You're now saying that... Africa's environment was more favorable and Eden-like

Who made that argument? They were savages that had to learn how to domesticate animals and till the cold lifeless earth. Of course their IQ would grow somewhat. Mainly because they needed. They're still the mostly clannish closed off solo people they were thousands of years ago and will war with and butcher each other over a box of fiddle faddle and have never created anything close to a major multiple millenia long empire of any note in history.

See, people who are either physically or mentally disadvantaged makes up for it by having a close knit well constructed community of people who work towards certain goals to enrich the others. That's how things are.
When an entire society is composed of "exceptional individuals" each absolutely convinced of their own superiority then you have nothing but easily lead fools who will fall for even the slightest bit of ego stroking.

>>41106365
>My point is to assume that one particular nationality, race, ethnicity, creed, or whatever you wanna identify a defining characteristic as, is superior by default of them possessing just some distinguishable characteristics lacks logic.

I've never heard anyone who is credible actually make a claim like that, I certainly wouldn't do it.

>But to attribute initial success to a guarantee for all of time that the positions will remain so is ignorant at best.

Ditto

>Citing those countries before in the 'global south' that are rising to global economic preponderance now was to illustrate the point that there is a lot of competition for the top place the western allied states hold currently,

Well ok, but there is almost no chance of Brazil, S. Africa or India becoming this, their metrics on poverty, literacy, economics, child mortality are terrible compared to Anglo/W.Euro countries, despite recent improvements. S. Africa has actually become much worse since the end of apartheid. China perhaps is a contender, but I don't see how that is relevant to figuring out why certain countries succeed in the first place. Sure you will always have countries jockeying for position, but an ethnic African (i.e. "negroid") country has never achieved cultural significance that came even close to that of e.g. ancient greece. Unless you want to argue that egyptians were ethnically negroid.

>>41106538
(you)
Now go back to /pol/ and don't spend it all in one place

what the appeal of the left exactly? i mean what do they even want? open borders, diversity, gun control, abortion rights? dont they have like real goals that at least look like they could have a long term benefit?

>>41106520
>college
>education
are we back in 1950?

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>>41106520
>he's not even self aware

>>41106545
Global warming for instance. It's literally getting COLDER in some places around the world. like we had snow during easter

>>41106551
>Who made that argument?

This poster did:

>>41106117
>fortuitous agricultural development in light of the soil composition and abundance of animals that could be domesticated, allowing for population growth thanks to the food sources available.

>>41106410
Poverty is a byproduct of the society we live in; it has to be maintained in order to likewise maintain the massive disparity in wealth (the super rich, the rich, the middle, and the extremely poor). Poverty is not entirely discriminatory by race. But persistent efforts to subjugate non-white populations, given the fact that black equality of rights only came to America in the 60s, are a major driving force behind it. In the US, one in one hundred of the adult population is incarcerated, and of that blacks and hispanics are incarcerated at rates of five times and three times more, respectively, than their white counterparts, for the same crimes. Also similar studies of economic opportunities (occupational, and real estate acquisition) show that in many cases the same client attempting to either buy/rent a property, or get a job, are rejected based on race, despite having identical credentials and applications.
Hypothetically, if race were not an issue we would see equal proportions of every ethnicity endemic to the population in both positions of poverty and positions of power, but we don't.
Skin colour is an obvious aesthetic distinction, with which other negative connotations can be easily applied to the target population because they are visually distinct. Should I be less wary, if in a poor neighbourhood in the UK, of a white man than a black man? Or would I be better to be equally wary? The latter is the logical answer, yet many would associate black skin with these aforementioned negative traits, and make worse assumptions from there. See Falguni Sheth's process of 'racialisation', and Frantz Fanon's work titled The Wretched of the Earth for more.

Whilst you are not deliberately perpetuating racism, by choosing to live in a nicer neighbourhood, you are inherently benefiting from it
You aren't doing anything most people probably wouldn't do but youhavto concede that once in these better places yourChildWillHaveA better chance at life its cyclical

>>41106563
Equal treatment under the law, equality of opportunities, free market, government accountability., individual liberty, technological and economic progress, environmental protections.. Just for a start. Or is this a joke post?

>>41104913
1/2/3/4 here, 12% cutting bfp and a socialist
I wonder if this strength>conservatism link has anything to do with the obesity in the bible belt.

>>41106563
>OG left
Wow look, it really sucks being poor. Maybe we should try to fix that
>Neo left
Let's give all our money to minorities while apologizing

>>41106585
>caring about niggers
pls post pic you beta faggot

>>41106577
>I don't know what the difference between climate and weather is: The post

>>41106577
>your hunch beats objective science

Captcha is getting annoying but rightists have proven how retarded they are once again

>>41106538
i mean... he sort of did win the election without the media or big donors on his side and he sort of is a billionaire or something close to that... and he didnt collapse multiple times during the election, he didnt even look sleepy at any point. i mean... if hes dumb, poor and weak, how did he do it?

>>41106594
>left seeking 'government accountability', yet wants to spend drastically more on 'social welfare programs', and wants to increase tax massively

government is a blood-sucking middleman incapable of doing anything at a reasonable efficiency, and your solution is 'DO MORE STUFF!" - is that right?

>>41106608
you can't either from the looks of it.

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>cucks in this thread

>>41106614
>i mean... he sort of did win the election without the media or big donors on his side and he sort of is a billionaire or something close to that...
>facebook is not part of "the media" because I say so!

>>41106322

>the garden of eden
>where hunting was plentiful

You need to brush up on your Christianity

>>41106555
See American Exceptionalism; Sonderweg (German exceptionalism); Yamato-damashii (Japanese spirit); Juche (Nationalist North Korean State Ideology);
Just because you lack the initiative and intelligence to find things out doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Patriotism is founded in these ideas.

Nice pseudo-scientific categorisation. I'm sure all your friends agree. My 'negroid' family would beg to differ if we were to compare achievements on an individual level. National success is hard to find when you take credit for a lot of it, like say architecture, mathematics (Algebra specifically), medicine, science, and more.

>>41106622
You realize you're on the Internet right now yes?

>>41106585
Black people were enfranchised like 50 years ago. That's 1 generation. Expecting racial equality across income in that time frame is fucking insane. Trying to speed up the process of equality is going to do way more harm than good, and we're seeing that right now.
Systematic racism used to be the problem. Now it's a symptom of a different problem

>>41105566
Doing this helps your enemy
You are too dumb to understand this, though, I know

>>41106555
Sure you will always have countries jockeying for position, but an ethnic African (i.e. "negroid") country has never achieved cultural significance that came even close to that of e.g. ancient greece.

How do you define "cultural significance"? Just like biological evolution, there is no end goal that all civilizations naturally evolve towards. African civilizations and Greek civilizations went down different cultural paths for different reasons. If you are Northern European, there is a good chance the Greeks considered you to be an uncouth barbarian. The fact that you now live in a wealthy country and can look down on others for reasons beyond their control is just a series of happy accidents.

>>41106632
what are you saying, did zuckerberg shill for trump? what

>>41106630
Oh fuck dude an MS paint comic.
I'm calling my mom to tell her I was wrong about everything

>>41106603
a pic of what?

>>41106630
>scientific evidence that blacks have a lower iq

Science proves that race is a human invention, different appearance does not change that humans are the same

>>41106545
She's too hot for this world.

>>41106299
>Animal domestication seems a plausible explanation to me, but it's hard to say - did Africans actually *try* to domesticate animals?. I am not sure soil composition is a big factor - after all South Africa became successful despite presumably having similar soil to the rest of Africa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzOm-SI_TQU

>>41106632
He had big donors
He had social media
He had the dems throwing the election by pushing literal complete fucking never-wins
He had big business and the entire american oligarchy backing him.

Trump didn't win the election stupid. He was given the presidency.

>>41106298
Actually, the left wing has been associated with mental disorders due to a lack of processing threats. In nature, being less "paranoid" gets you killed.

>>41106640
I do not expect it, hence why I'm arguing with dumb cunts on this board. I pointed out a factual problem. Do with the information what you will

>>41106629
>No u
Just look it up instead of embarrassing yourself

>>41106635
Pedantism is for people without an argument but wants to be thought of as intelligent anon.

>>41104913
Probably comes down to cultural preferences between right-leaning and left-leaning demographics.

You'll find more lifters that lean right (values traditional masculinity, etc), but I bet you'll also find higher rates of obesity (voter base is larger in areas where social pressures to be thin/stereotypically attractive are lower).

Before anybody mentions it, "fat acceptance" is not common in most left-wing social circles, at least in Texas - you give the person a chance, but you remind your friends that carrying excess weight isn't good for their health. The sort of people who don't think obesity shoupd be treated as a public health crisis are, essentially, the alt-left.

I'm left leaning, btw. I know a few other guys who work out, and its a mix of right and left wing people.

>>41106520
>He doesn't know about documented claims to infiltrate the education system in order to indoctrinate the population

>>41106520
You can't call what happens in american universities education

>>41106650
>what is HBD
>different enviroments don't produce different peoples
>disregarding an entire branch of science
wew lad

>>41106645
>ancient greece.
Neither did ancient greece.
They're great learning and achievements were not mostly created in greece but gathered from the rest of the world.

>>41106660
But we don't live in nature anymore.

>>41106045
That's not totally out there desu

>>41106679
Yeah I think half of the people who are outspoken anti-feminists are people who aren't capable of realizing that such ideologies aren't monolithic

>>41106646
Did you miss the whole fake news controversy?

>>41106691
>hbd

>totally not a code word for racism

>>41106636
>See American Exceptionalism; Sonderweg (German exceptionalism); Yamato-damashii (Japanese spirit); Juche (Nationalist North Korean State Ideology);
>Just because you lack the initiative and intelligence to find things out doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Patriotism is founded in these ideas.

Like I said, nobody credible does this. All these examples have been completely discredited. I.e. they are not credible. And now you've resorted to name-calling, yikes.

>Nice pseudo-scientific categorisation.

That's why I put it in quotes. It's a short-hand way of saying "africans who are black in the way that africans from say Zimbabwe are, and africans from Libya are not."

>My 'negroid' family would beg to differ if we were to compare achievements on an individual level.

But we're not talking about individual levels, I am not disputing that. We're talking about racial averages.

>>41106655
Teamwork makes the dream work

>>41106687
I'm in one right now and I'm learning a lot.
Don't be the idiot that thinks that just because the retards in the basement of my school playing with glitter and getting education degrees are useless that I'm learning about systemic oppression from my finance class

>>41106170
This is where you're wrong, intelligence distribution is not equal across all ethnic groups by any stretch of the imagination. Ashkenazi Jews are the high water mark, Australian aboriginals are the low water mark. The difference between the average IQ of these two groups is 50 points (120-70).

>>41105477
>>Nigger bragging that his fellow shitskins are violent animals who constantly break the law
Why doesn't this surprise me?

>>41106738
>correlation = causation

Cmon

>>41106645
>How do you define "cultural significance"?

Writing, mathematics, a system of laws.

>African civilizations and Greek civilizations went down different cultural paths for different reasons. The fact that you now live in a wealthy country and can look down on others for reasons beyond their control is just a series of happy accidents.

The fact that you think I look down on others is telling. Losing self-control are we? Whether or not it was an accident is besides the point. The point is that, for whatever reason, Sub-saharan african countries have never achieved cultural significance.

This thread has predictably revealed that most of 4chan is thick as pigshit.

I have some left wing, bordering on socialist notions regarding specific areas of society. I have some more right wing views. I don't subscribe to any single political philosophy and, unlike a lot of people, dont pretend to have solutions to problems which are incredibly complex. Its incredible how many people seem to think their ham fisted, simplistic ideas are actually clever, new or workable. Most people are by definition mediocre.

>>41106717
THE ENTIRE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT (and populous) BELIEVES IN AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/hillary-clinton-american-exceptionalism-donald-trump/498212/
Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America.
S. M. Lipset, American Exceptionalism: A DoubleEdged Sword.

Just literally google it and stop cherry picking arguments. Your opinions are not equal to facts.

And your argument is that racial avgs are a result of innate predispositions to being intelligent, yet you cannot account for the historical developments and contributions to modern day STEM fields from non-white origins

>>41106752
Is having cultural significance the desired state or something that's worth having?

>>41106599
This is the truth
Too bad the new left ruined any credibility the left had for this generation

The only reason anybody uses race IQ statistics are
1. As a really fucking stupid way to disprove nurture only in the nature-nurture debate
2. Justifying racism
and you idiots wonder why people jump down your throat for citing that shit

>>41106714
>it's [insert buzzword] therefore it doesn't count
wew
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w

>>41106747
Because it confirms your existing prejudices. Which is not surprising considering you read a post from a fellow /pol/-tard

>>41106798
We'll get it back once the bible belt rears it's ugly head or the right runs out of Trumpians and props their neo-con supervillains back up, and people remember why we're needed

>>41106794
>Is having cultural significance the desired state or something that's worth having?

That's a separate debate. The fact is, sub-Saharan African countries have never done it. I think it's worth it. If you don't, fine by me.

>>41104949
Is that pl8s or xBW

>>41106823
Culture and civilization began in Sub-Saharan Africa dipshit.

>>41106798
>New left
It's really just coroporate interests, racists in sheeps clotthing, and ignorant people who've been completely divorced from reality and what it means to be a good person.

Just a bunch of kids with manipulated social media and mass media, being fed shit, kept in the dark and told to scream as loud as they can till they're hoarse in a black empty room and to listen to their own echos and then told "Well that didn't work time to join the rat race and become a contributing member of the slave class".

>>41106834
>there are people that still believe this

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> peoples evolved in completely different environments for thousands of years, resulting in different body types, skin colours, genetic diseases ect

> b..but evolution stops at the neck.

>>41106861
See
>>41106805
Nobody in this thread is seriously claiming the differences don't exist. Stop strawmanning.

>>41106823
If you're going to use the lack of "cultural significance" to make a judgement on other groups of people, then it is not a separate debate.

If there is a need for developing writing, mathematics, etc, then it will be developed. If not, it's unfair to judge other people for not having them.

>>41106775
>https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/hillary-clinton-american-exceptionalism-donald-trump/498212/

The Atlantic, real unbiased source you got there friendo!

You sound mad.

>And your argument is that racial avgs are a result of innate predispositions to being intelligent, yet you cannot account for the historical developments and contributions to modern day STEM fields from non-white origins

Non-sequitur. Racial predispositions do not preclude nonwhites from contributing to STEM, I never made that claim. In any population you will find outliers. I have no issue with that. Many Indians, for example, have made great contributions to STEM. See Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar. But that's hardly surprising given they number like a billion people. Average Indian inclinations, however result in a country that is shitty relative to Anglo/W.Euro countries.

>>41106834
>Culture and civilization began in Sub-Saharan Africa dipshit.

WE WUZ KANGZ

>>41105666
>muh dick: the post

>>41105085
WHAT IF THE CHILD CONSENTS THO

>>41106874
>If you're going to use the lack of "cultural significance" to make a judgement on other groups of people, then it is not a separate debate.

The only judgment that I am making on the basis of cultural significance, is that they lack it.

>If there is a need for developing writing, mathematics, etc, then it will be developed. If not, it's unfair to judge other people for not having them.

That's great! There are many aspects to nations other than cultural significance, let's celebrate them.

>>41106880
>Indian inclinations
You're a retard. Do you think the west was just born with the desire for freedom and self-actualization?
Political ideologies are human creations. They need to be invented, like everything else, and it's difficult to convince an entire population to change its views just because we think it'll work.

I used to be a hard left, liberal democrat. Then I started lifting and found myself becoming repulsed by liberals. I suppose it's because they espouse the value of personal weakness so often and often do not want to take responsibility for their own failings.

>>41106874
nigger, 'need' is relative. nobody fucking needs anything beyond shelter, food, water, and other shit to breed with to ensure the survival of the race.

did europe 'need' steel? did they 'need' sailboats? did they 'need' mathematics? fuck no, they developed them because they aspired to more than eating, drinking, fucking, and living in mud huts, whereas niggers, by and large, did not.

i mean fuck, even today that entire culture is obsessed with just the basics of life.

>>41106880
Average Indian inclinations result in a country where designated shifting streets are a thing.

>We proposed and tested mediation models in which lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice, an effect mediated through the endorsement of right-wing ideologies (social conservatism, right-wing authoritarianism) and low levels of contact with out-groups. In an analysis of two large-scale, nationally representative United Kingdom data sets (N = 15,874), we found that lower general intelligence (g) in childhood predicts greater racism in adulthood, and this effect was largely mediated via conservative ideology


http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797611421206


>Even though past studies show that women are more liberal than men, and blacks are more liberal than whites, the effect of childhood intelligence on adult political ideology is twice as large as the effect of either sex or race. So it appears that, as the Hypothesis predicts, more intelligent individuals are more likely to espouse the value of liberalism than less intelligent individuals, possibly because liberalism is evolutionarily novel and conservatism is evolutionarily familiar.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives


>liberals would be more flexible and reliant on data, proof, and analytic reasoning, and conservatives are more inflexible (prefer stability), emotion-driven, and connect themselves intimately with their ideas, making those beliefs a crucial part of their identity (we see this in more high-empathy-expressing individuals). This fits in with the whole “family values” platform of the conservative party, and also why we see more religious folks that identify as conservatives, and more skeptics, agnostics, and atheists that are liberal.
Conservatives would be less likely to assign value primarily using the scientific method.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/09/07/your-brain-on-politics-the-cognitive-neuroscience-of-liberals-and-conservatives/#.WPT_d88pDqA

>>41106926
shitting* my mistake

>>41106752
>Sub-saharan african countries have never achieved cultural significance.
Uh, Nigeria alone has an ancient writing system with codification of laws and judgements, as well as a film industry larger than Hollywood. When will you idiots stop rolling out this dumbass sub-saharan Africa meme?

>>41106880
There is literally a video, regardless of the quick sourcing I did, that has Hillary Clinton advocating American Exceptionalism.
Similarly, Bush Jr. asserted a similar rhetoric of fighting as a global hegemonic power because of some perceived responsibility to govern the world; similarly, JFK, Roosevelt, and Eisenhower made claims of this sort.

Your scrutinising of a source and very obvious and thinly veiled attempts to divert attention from the fact that I am citing ACTUAL events and actual people, based on a website, is poor, c'mon, man. I understand that you've almost definitely held these beliefs for a while, which explains why they resonate so strongly and you hold so tightly to them. I pity you. Be the bigger man and research your argument, instead of clinging to personal convictions.

>>41106921
this is actually what i originally came to say, before being distracted by all the 'nigger nigger nigger chink nigger' shit.

lifting cultivates a sense of self-improvement and self-reliance, something which the left shuns.

>>41106939
>as well as a film industry larger than Hollywood.

This smells like bullshit.

>>41105477
It amazes me that /pol/yards still fall for this bait, its been posted countless times already.

>>41106848
Yep, you sound pretty New Left when you call modern working/living conditions in the West "slavery". I'd swear you're all LARP'ing.

>>41106918
>You're a retard.

great argument

>Political ideologies are human creations. They need to be invented, like everything else,

the foundation for human creativity is biology.

>>41106936
Science confirms that the right wing is for retarded children

>>41106949
It's probably posted by /pol/tards to false-flag

>>41106936
implying that people aren't motivated to lie on that shit.

seriously, i fucking hate most cultures, but i have to pretend like diversity is a good thing because of my work. you really think people don't lie to 'fit in' with this garbage bullshit the left spews, or otherwise be labeled a racist?

>>41104913
6'7", 235lbs and right wing, can confirm, although I don't agree with a lot of right wing ideas

>>41106948
in terms of numbers of movies they crank out, i remember seeing that somewhere. i mean, it's backyard shit that makes bollywood look like a james cameron blockbuster, but yeah, they churn out a lot of movies.

>>41106940
>Be the bigger man

You mean l should be like you and call you retarded etc?

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>>41106971
TFW too smart to have a political ideology.

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>>41105085
I'm a snek as well, but why calisthenics? I'm trying to lift heavy.

>>41106977
I think /pol/ cancer consist of stormfag extremists with naive autists who fell for their ideology because it accommodates their social situation, and shitposters who egg said autists on. Then there's the average anon with his own unique political views who gets drowned in the shitflinging between said autists and shitposters.

>>41106948
By volume Hollywood is third behind Bollywood and Nollywood, i.e. more copies are bought of Nollywood films than Hollywood films now. It's an almost entirely stright to video industry.

I've recently achieved 1/2/3/4 for reps at 185 lbs/6'1" and I vote green most of the time, which is very left by definition.

I have no regrets desu and i'll never have conservative (cuckservative on the internet) views from a political standpoint.

>>41106923
As civilizations transition from hunter/gatherer to agrarian, their needs become considerably more complex. Europe had access to more nations then sub saharan africa did. As a result, they started trading with each other. This creates a much larger population then can be sustained by simple hunter gathering, especially if the country you live in can only sustain a certain amount of people with basic hunter gathering techniques.

As the population explodes, the needs for European and Asian societies become very different then the needs for sub-saharan African societies which rely on hunter gathering. You need complex mathematics and writing to make trade easier to manage. You need sail boats to find products that people will want to buy and you need steel to build things as well as arm the armies you need to ensure trade and stability.

btw, Europeans frequently borrowed and innovated on ideas that came from outside Europe like gunpowder and algebra. Even Europe itself isn't a monolith and is a very diverse place. It was a truly global effort to build the world as we know it.

> fuck no, they developed them because they aspired to more than eating, drinking, fucking, and living in mud huts, whereas niggers, by and large, did not.

This is a pretty crude and simplistic way to look at history so I won't indulge it. It seems to me that exploiting the environment and being a mindless consumerist isn't the only way to live a decent life on this planet.

>>41107008
Not that guy, could you point out where he called you a retard in that post?

>>41107062
>>41106636
>Just because you lack the initiative and intelligence to find things out doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>>41107001
You're thinking of that weird Ugandan guy. Nigerian movies are mostly more like art house or French films, lots of emotions and longing and drama and character flaws and such.

For all the shit /pol/ gets, they're at least spot on about blacks as anyone who lives around them knows.

I go left on social issues and libertarian on personal freedoms/economy. I'm not big by /fit/ standards but am pretty fit

OP should've known /pol/ was gonna invade and shitpost this thread to death though.

>>41107008
it slipped out, apologies, i concede that i shouldn't name call.

The content of my points is not, however, weakened by one incidence of calling you retarded.

Now, back to the argument? Didn't think so.

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>natsoc
>mfw people actually fell for the leftist meme
ironic that people hate "duh natsees" for being racist and bigoted, when they had the most inclusive military on the planet, some of the most liberal views on environmentalism, animal rights, and social welfare.

keep treating thirdies like your personal pets. When you are old and sick, do you think the groids will treat you with the same mercy and compassion that you have shown them? or will they rape and kill you, as they have done for millennia.

>>41107089
Lol stop being an insecure faggot and maybe blacks won't act the way they do around you

I'm a political nihilist. Working my way up to deadlifting 500lb and benching 300.

Fuck the whole identity politics blue vs red bullshit.

>>41107149
I'm sure my confidence is the reason why they shatter glass bottles in playgrounds and litter everywhere.

>>41106963
>oh no somebody called me a retard on the Internet
Retard
>the foundation for human creativity is biology
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Are you claiming that no minority could have possibly figured out liberty? Because that's a pretty stupid claim

>>41107034
This.
>4chan used to be better

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>>41107191
Were totally above it all.

>>41105684
>flashy right wing chads
5'5, buzzcut white supremecists who make London chavs look attractive are now chads?

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>>41107202
WE WUZ KANGZ?

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>Tfw mixed race and fairly liberal.
>Tfw there are a million people who want to murder me.
>Tfw I've done literally nothing wrong aside from being born the wrong combination of races.

Feels Bad Man. I just want a comfy life where people are treated equally and fairly.

>>41107106
>Now, back to the argument? Didn't think so.

All right. I'm actually dismissing your atlantic.com post because it doesn't get to the heart of the matter. Politicians in every country indeed talk patriotic, but there is a massive difference between patriotic rabble-rousing and credible, intelligent people explicitly using a racial characteristic (i.e. not a national characteristic) to claim that a particular race is predestined to rule the world, or deserves to be uniquely successful. Germany's Aryan superiority was an explicitly racial example, but that has been thoroughly discredited, for good reason.

Anyway, my main argument is that there are meaningful, measurable, biologically-originated differences on average between races, but it is possible to believe this without also believing that one particular race is predestined to be supreme.

>>41107253
I for one think we need more people with zero opinion
>>41107274
(you)

>>41107286
Do whatever you want to discredit me, in reality it has no effect. I also cited above a number of published books explicitly written on this subject, I should know, I've got the credentials to back it up.

Nitpicking again is fine, but like I said the concrete evidence is there for these ideologies in national mobilisation rhetoric. yes patriotism differs from racial discrimination, but it is something one cannot deny.

I've given you the information you need, but you keep choosing to ignore it.

>>41105085
>No rights
>No lifts
Might as well die desu

>>41107405
>Do whatever you want to discredit me,

I'm not trying to discredit you, I am just pointing out that there aren't any credible people (scholars etc) who actually claim that racial differences mean there should be a "master race".

I was only initially critical because you said:

>My point is to assume that one particular nationality, race, ethnicity, creed, or whatever you wanna identify a defining characteristic as, is superior by default of them possessing just some distinguishable characteristics lacks logic.

The issue I have with this is that the kinds of people who genuinely do claim this in the racial sense are not quoting scholarly literature or have any kind of well-researched position. The people who do claim this are mainly ignoramuses, so it's not something worth bringing up, and seems like a distraction.

>>41107405

I have to run, been fun, but let me add something.

Look, I don't like the idea of biology/race being the reason Africa is shitty. I was libertarian for years and genuinely believed the races had equal capability in the things that matter. I've changed my mind on that but it's not pleasant. If I could snap my fingers and make everyone equal on the inside I would.

But one has to ask the question, if biology can produce profound racially-average differences in appearance and disease tolerance, is it such a stretch to believe biology can produce small racially-average differences in predisposition and intellectual ability, which lead to significant differences on a national scale?

If it is indeed biology, and I concede that it still might not be, then at least we know where to look to solve our racial problems. We shouldn't discount it.

>>41106833

For a leftie they are interchangeable

>>41105885

>Take the average english kid and the average somalian, canadian,indian, chinese, and polynesian, raise them from birth under the same roof with a good income base, parental support and social development, nutrition, value systems, etc. and they will turn out more or less equal.

You are literally ignoring fact at this point, this situation has happened and they still don't score equally