What's some of the worst unironic advice you've seen

recommended bulking speed from the sticky. 2kg per month is just too fast

>>41002162
just look at the wild chad in the hot tub.
shes so engaged with his conversation its unbeleivable.

>>41002162
Do SS. You'll hate it, feel like you're not doing shit in the gym, look like a mong doing 3 exercises with 3 minute breaks in between 5 rep sets while everyone else who looks better than you is going beast mode on dumbbells and isolation exercises, look exactly the same when you finish if you didn't bulk and look like pure shit if you did. No one gives a fuck about your squat and deadlift.

If you want to get stronger as a beginner do something like ws4sb or an upper/lower. If you don't care as much about strength just jump into a brosplit.

> If you want to get stronger as a beginner do something like ws4sb or an upper/lower. If you don't care as much about strength just jump into a brosplit.

>>41002486
Literally what is wrong with that?

>>41002162
Eat less like 1200cal to lose weight no cardio necessary.

Starting Strength

but if im in a dickish mood i'll reccomend to noobs asking for help. Little do they know that their legs are going to become living tumors while they look like a legitimate homosexual bottom

>>41002570
you want get much out of it as a beginner.
you should atleast do 5x5 or SS or some beginner routine for a few months until you get into intermediate strength levels.

>>41002608
can actually work if you cycle calories. like 4 days 1200cals, two days 2000cals and one day 4000cals.
basically UD2.0 with low calories.

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>>41002435
>just jump into a brosplit
you are a fucking retard,you wont build muscle without gaining strenght as a natty you braindead fuck,those bros who goes beast mode and looks good bench 2pl8 + for reps you fucking mong.
whenever I see these brosplit lovers give advice I get triggered.

>>41002435
Shit like this. Dumbasses who expect results in less than a year, can't program for themselves, don't do programs properly, can't/don't control their consumption, don't do proper accessory work, and get mad and blame everyone and everything but themselves for their failure. Then they advise people to go do nogains high volume, low frequency pink dumbbell bullshit they saw in men's fitness.

>>41002741
What the fuck just do cardio and eat normally, why does it have to be so complicated.

>>41002790
legit question.
Why in the actual fuck you need to use your fucking name ?

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>>41002435
>3 exercises
>5 reps
>no mention of warm ups
>no mention ramping up
>no mention of accessory work

Not SS's fault you can't read

>>41002813
Because I want Senpai to notice me

>>41002274
1.2lb a week is too fast for you?

>>41002828
strangle me with your clit.
what are you running rn ?

>>41002435
This post is unironically the worst advice i have seen

>>41002748
I've literally never met someone who looks halfway decent in real life or on this board who did ss. Never. The balcony guy did a brosplit since day 1 and looks 10x better than almost anyone else I've seen on here.

>>41002435
I like SS but i'm borderline autistic and trying to go from skelly to fridgemode so it works well for me

>>41002843
>strangle me with your clit.
Even if I had a bbc I still probably can't strangle you. I got off Primo and M1T couple weeks ago so I have room to take Winstrol and Primo on my contest season on June. For now I'm only on GH to keep myself lean and maintaining my lean mass during my cut rn

>>41002828
>Roid chick giving nattys advice

Cheekie i want you to bully my dick but please dont fucking pretend you know what youre talking about

>>41002741
>you want get much out of it as a beginner

Ws4sb? You know it literally is a beginner program right?

>>41002895
Isnt your optimal goal to get big ? I dont know you much but roiding chicks generally dont give a fuck about being feminine.
why dont you hop on tren bby

>>41002902
I've only sold my soul little under 2 years ago, and I've been lifting since 5 years combined. I've over come my anorexia during my natty phase and went from eating a 800cal diet to 2500. I'm still an ultimate newbie but I got the basics. Plus too I qualified for the next round show for my bb show so I'm pretty content about it

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>>41002972
I can't even handle EQ and Primo, if I go on Tren I am kill. Yep I wanna get as big as I can but while trying to keep the femininity. I'm gonna stick to low dose roids that won't turn me into 100% man looking like anavar, EQ, Primo...etc. lol but who knows it might turn me into a trap looking bastard

>>41003059
You are already trap looking,its too late for that.
do you still have your periods ?

>>41002162
>cardio kills gains

>>41002814
>warmups having a significant training effect
no
>no mention of ramping sets
starting strength does not contain ramping sets, that's some other routine you saw
>no mention of accessory work
if bench volume is inadequate you're going to need a hell of a lot more accessory volume than SS provides

>>41003093
Yep but it's light

>>41003059
>While trying to keep the femininity
I have bad news...

>>41002844
Started SS a month ago, is it actually bad or is this guy wrong?

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>>41003136
amen

A bulged disc will heal if you do deadlifts.

"The best way to lose weight is to lift weights instead of run"

Shit came up in /fat/ a few days ago, and still angers me when I think about people going to that thread for legit help and that dumb fuck is giving advice.

>>41003059

Mirin'. I think you look way too swole to dress feminine, should dress more tomboyish.

>>41003693
is this true or false

>>41002431
Sweet I'm bigger than that guy. Better looking too.

>>41002748
Everyone I see and know started off with a bro split. We all have solid physiques. I never understood why you think you won't get strong af doing a brosplit? Doing heavy dead lifts + squats + bench + rows + pull ups + dips + ohp every week = solid physique...

>>41002748
Show us your bod then big boy.

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>>41002858
>>41003943
>>41003984
Pic related.

It depends entirely on how its implemented, everyone should know that diet and sleep is half the battle or more.

I think that a PPL routine is pretty optimal for aesthetics 5 days a week personally. BUT its absolutely true that you need strength to get anywhere.

If you jump right into hypertrophy then you won't be able to build a lot of strength to go up. So yeah, congrats you might bench 135 for 20 or something, or maybe curl 20 for 20 but being able to curl 45 or bench 225 is what you should aim for hypertrophy.

Once you actually attain intermediate strength THEN you can move onto hypertrophy for a sick-cunt physique.

>>41002570
Brosplits are absolute dogshit and should only be used if you're roiding. Otherwise you should do ULxUL, fullbody 2 days a week, PPL, or any program that hits every muscle group twice a week.

>>41003401
SS is fine. Add accessories after the first or second month.

"SS is a meme" was started by dyel faggots who tried it, drank 6000 cals a day, hardly even pushed themselves at the gym, then came crying to /fit/ when they weren't the most jacked guy in their gym after the first three months

>>41002435
Post related

>>41002675
I don't understand this mentality. How does SS + accessory work leave you with such an imbalanced build. It has bench press for chest, OHP for delts, dead lifts has your back and grip, low bar squat also hits back. Then you got dips and chin ups helping your arms. A couple of those workouts train core as well to some extent.

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>>41004107
>"SS is a meme" was started by dyel faggots who tried it, drank 6000 cals a day, hardly even pushed themselves at the gym, then came crying to /fit/ when they weren't the most jacked guy in their gym after the first three months

"SS is a meme" was started when the creator of the program said pic related is the result of doing it absolutely perfectly.

>>41004131
Because 90% of /fit/ are retarded obese losers who haven't lifted once in their short lives that hop on a meme and shitpost it until the majority of the board actually believes it

>>41004140
>doing it absolutely perfectly for only three to five months

Ace work there bud. You should post this picture every time you try to refute SS

>>41004065
Intermediate as in the intermediate weight as specified in 5x5,right?
I'm a fat cunt and I'm doing it with the fat loss tips given by Mehdi. What to do after I reach intermediate?

>>41004065
Anyone know what his stats were?

>>41004179
>>41004212
I'm not the best example. I work out on a pretty strict budget so gains are tedious.

That being said, I would say that a nice intermediate strength is the standard 1/2/3/4 for 3x5 or so.

Judging from his appearance I would probably say that's what they guy's numbers were. His legs don't seem particularly big but everything else is pretty decent.

All you have to do from there on is get a bit cut and work on hypertrophy imo.

>>41004175
I do, it almost always works. No one gives a flying fuck about your squat when you look like the Pillsbury dough boy.

But hey, keep telling noobs to do SS. What do I care if in 6 months they look worse than when they started and aren't even significantly stronger because they aren't willing to gain the weight (fat) necessary to make the strength gains they're supposed to?

>>41004261
Cut using what program?
Brosplit or keep using the 5x5 with assistances?

>>41004131

are you implying all muscles grow at the same rate? Did you forget that starting strength makes you squat every fucking gym session? Or that the program itself does not incorporate "accessories" until 5+ weeks in? You're just deluding yourself if you think starting strength is useful for anything other than lifting more weight. A person who wants to look good (90% of this board) should NOT do starting strength

Crossfit is bad

>start crossfit 10 months ago
>start eating right
>dropped 73 pounds
>down 10 pant sizes
>maxes steadily going up
>have a coach that specializes on Oly training once a week
>have had no injuries
>hot women everywhere

Literally I have no idea what the negative about it is.

>>41003716
How do you lose fat than? Diet? Cardio? Both?

t. Newfag

>>41004297
I did cardio, diet, and circut training. see >>41004281

>>41004275
No idea desu mate.

I would recommend PPL the most if you can afford the time and food. I made good progress and always had a fantastic work out with it 5 days a week. It incorporates everything you need in a really well balanced way imo.

As long as you make sure that you're still trying to lift heavy during your cut you should maintain strength I think.

>>41004297
Read the sticky. Cardio is good ofc but weight training stimulates the most weight loss. Do both.

>>41004261
>1/2/3/4 for 3x5
Also, the 1/2/3/4 stands for the plate on OHP, Bench, Squat and Deadlift,right?
>>41004297
Check out the fat loss on 5x5. That's what I'm running. Cardio, more like HIIT. And diet is very important. That's what I'm running right now, and I'm sure I'l have some good results in 2 months.

>>41004281
Crossfit is a meme because it focuses on time trial lifting. Going to crossfit but not competing is their "games" is just wasting your time with shitty instructors and bad form.

>>41004314
Yeah.

Atm I have OHP comfortably for 5x5, bench is lagging behind at 195, squat 275 and Diddy only 365 3x3.

Personally I don't think there's a big need to go for 5x5 for 3pl8. Legs can definitely be aesthetic as fuck, but that's a hard lift to do with perfect highbar form imo. 2.5 pl8 is at least higher than fuccbois.

I intend to go a little bit farther but not much past that. With my 1pl8 OHP I can do 20 lbs lateral raises for lmao 15 reps each.

>>41004327
>t. someone who has never been

Literally regurgitating memes at this point.

>>41004281
The main problem is that crossfit trains for mediocrity across all fields of fitness, which is completely fine if that's your goal, but then act as if that cumulative mediocrity makes them Navy SEALs or professional athletes.

Crossfit WILL make you stronger, just not as strong as powerlifting.
Crossfit WILL build muscle, just not as much as bodybuilding.
Crossfit WILL build endurance, just not as much as training for an endurance event.
Crossfit WILL make you a better weightlifter, but not as good as someone who does olympic lifting with a real coach.
Crossfit WILL help you lose fat, but no more so than any of the above combined with a good diet.

>>41004341
My stats happen to be 45 kg ohp, 55kg bench, 70 kg squat, 85 kg deadlift and 45 kg pendlay rows after working out for about a month and a half. Is this acceptable?

>>41004273
>lifting is all about looking good!
>if you have any fat, you look like shit
>anyone with 20% looks like shit!!!

Since when was this a /fit/ pretends to be girls thread?

>>41004342
>I went to crossfit and didn't die so crossfit isn't a meme

Fuck off, you got tricked and now you feel the need to justify spending $60 a month on shit gym

>>41004376
>>41004341
I have added pull ups and chin ups as my assistance exercises, but I still can;t do bodyweight with it, hence I use the machine to assist me with pulling me up.

>>41004342
stop trying to defend your shitty shit crossfitter bitch, nobody likes you except other crossfit faggots

>>41004393
I dont think I have been tricked, I have been going 10 months for a minimum of 4 days a week, often times 6 days a week. And I wish it was only $60 a month, its $125 a month kek

>>41004408
>pays $125 for gym
>"I don't think I was tricked"

Literally the exact demographic they're lookin for: idiots

>>41004408
Mate, you could've bought a power rack, a few dumbells and such with the same money. As well as hire a personal trainer.

Are you a bad parent if you say "no" to social media for your kids?

>>41004065
>>41004065
That guy is in good downward lighting and has nothing else in the image to use as a reference for his actual size. Even then he isn't on the same level as OCB or the balcony guy

>>41004303
What diet you got going on?

>>41004493
Semen and Bugles.

>>41004459
Probably, but I honestly enjoy it and my wife enjoys it and ive made a few friends there. Its a good time overall and I just prefer it over a "normal" gym.

>>41002835
Yes since you cannot gain more than roughly 0.5lbs of muscle a weak natty once you're past the intermediate stage

>>41004502
So you admit to being conned but happily do so because you are scared of a real gym?

>>41004376
That's pretty good for less than 2 months. Height and weight?

>>41004388
>unironically arguing that you can look good at 20% bodyfat

Since when did /fit/ become tumblr?

>>41004278
I'm not saying SS makes you into chad I'm saying if you're doing everything right there's no reason you should look as bad as everyone here's implies. It seems like the majority of people literally just did the 3 main lifts every time they exercised and nothing else.
They didn't eventually throw in cardio, put more emphasis and variety on accessories or change their overall lifestyle to a more active one. I promise that there's a massive difference between someone doing SS with the mindset of changing his lifestyle to a healthier one overall and someone who was fat/skelly mode found /fit/ thinking it has the answers to all their problems.

>>41004376
I'm a month and 2 days in myself.
5'8
About 163lb (didn't remember what scale said last time I checked).
Squat: 175lb
Bench: 115lb
OHP: 70lb
Diddly Doodles: 190lb
Power cleans: 80lb

Been progressing smoothly so far

>>41002162
ITT: Dyels and sore losers

>>41004468
No. But you can't let them grow up in the first world if you expect them to survive. It's becoming increasingly necessary to have social media.

>>41004540
Most females looks amazing at 20%, checkmate autist

>>41004607
1st month in and you squat 175 but diddly 190? Check forms, you're likely doing one wrong.

>>41004646
No they FUCKING don't. %20 on a female is pretty bad on women

>compound lifts are enough for your abs bro
for some more definition of abs, and to make them pop more, doing ab isolation exercises seems to be the key
why not train them like any other muscle?

if im wrong, please correct me

>>41002162
That programming matters that much
as long as you eat enough and apply progressive overload in some manner be it reps or weight to your workouts you will improve. The only time that programming matters that much is if you want to compete at a non last place level, but if you don't want to compete you should just do what you enjoy.

>>41004368
i can't see how that is not the perfect system for the average person.
i go to some crossfit classes every now and then and they're really good to switch up your routine, increase endurance, flexibility and social gains too.

>>41004857
Because you're paying $125 a month to do everything listed there poorly.

>>41004857
i dont like crossfit personally
that being said, just do what you like
if you like crossfit, then by all means, keep doing it
a routine that you like and will do is better than a "better" routine that you dont like and wont do it as consistently

just dont be like the rest of the crossfit fags and ignore form and safety

>>41002162
Compound lifts are enough for your arms. I'm past 1/2/3/4 except for squat (Broke my leg 6 months ago) and have 13 (THIRTEEN) inch arms. Added some bicep and tricep isolations and lost all confidence in /fit/ forever.

>>41003716
but this is accurate information

>>41003716
That's literally the truth though. Running can burn more calories immediately, but the recovery and metabolic processes from lifting weight has been studied and shown to burn more calories over time than running.

>>41004697
Are you one of those retarded people that doesn't realize that bf% looks different for women?

>>41004978
Are you one of those people that thinks that fat is suddenly different because of two X chromosomes?

>>41004983
The fat doesn't change but distribution does. Breasts are entirely fatty tissue and are still counted in body fat percentage.

>>41005018
Wrong. Breasts are breast tissue and aren't weighed when counting bf%. Why do you think they change the settings on scales for women at the hospital?

>>41003789
false

>>41005039
women naturally have higher %bf than men, this is a known and understood fact

a man is lean at 10%, a woman is dangerously lean at 10%

>>41005065
False
See>>41005064

>>41004503
>the sticky for beginners doesn't work for advanced lifters!

>>41005105
I'll give you a sticky, hoe about that?

>>41004656
Which one sounds off?
If the diddly sounds too low it's likely because I'm scared to jump too high and injure myself.

>>41005076
What the fuck retard. Explain and debate. Don't just say false.

>>41005225
welcome to /fit/ bro
there was a census recently
a significant portion of /fit/ had been lifting for less than 6 months

>>41004093
what the hell is ULxUL?

>>41005255
U = Upper
L = Lower

its an Upper body Lower body split, usually ran x4 a week

i believe PHAT or PHUL? i forget the acronyms
is another x4 week that is also based on upper body lower body split

Is this what normies do? Just walk up to people and start grabbing them?

>>41005269
is this really /fit/?
how has no one said this yet
>when will they learn

>>41004140
Worst thing about this pic being used as an argument is that he'd look fine if he cut.

If you want a good balanced routine for strength and hypertrophy do fierce 5 novice.

>>41005492
>Fierce 5
Isn't that an Enid Blyton series?

>>41002274
the sticky is meant for beginners not seasoned lifters, next thing you are going to tell me SS or whatever other beginner program is shit because it doesnt work on someone that has been training for 2 years

>>41002997
Real talk baby girl, you've over come anorexia but swung to the other side of the pendulum.

>>41002162
>beta negress getting groped by a manlet white fuck
This is something completely new to me.

>>41002858
I did ss and I look decent, by normie standards of course.
Your logic is flawed

>>41003059
w-which one is you...

>>41003401
SS is fucking excellent, add accessory work like dips, chinups, 3 sets of whatever curl variation you like and 3 sets of whatever triceps exercise you like and you'll be set.

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>>41004393
>$60 a month

>>41005657
$220 In Cali.....Fuck no

Supermang is bulking

>>41004393
>>41005657
>>41005688
I remember thinking that crossfit sounded pretty good. Then I got a crossfit gym 10 minutes away from my house (the gym I usually went to was 20 minutes away from my house). So I go to the crossfit gym and ask aobut pricing: 90 dollars a month. MOTHERFUCKER DO I LOOK LIKE I HAVE $90 I CAN PUT AWAY ONCE A MONTH TO EXERCISE? The YMCA near me is 20 dollars a month and I get a gym, pool, a tennis court and classes in a bunch of other shit. The FITLAB near me is 10 dollars a month and I get a lot of equipment, a lot of space, and I can get personal trainers and the like. 90 dollars? What the fuck?

>>41004983

get a load of this sperg

>>41004408
gratz on losing the weight, but you can save that money and do regular ppl or whatever

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Stay natty and follow a rigorous diet
>TFW 3 months of pinning test and eating IIFYM has me bigger and leaner than I ever was with 3 years of natty lifting

>>41004563
Starting Strength

STARTING Strength

its for starters, a beginner program


Starting STRENGTH

what use is cardio when you are trying to build up as much strength as possible? you have to eat even more when u do cardio..

starting strength isnt a aesthetics program

>>41005979
how much and what type of test ese?

>>41005997
500mg test e a week for 12 weeks. Then I'm gonna cruise 250mg for 6 weeks and blast 500mg again. No plans to ever come completely off, I feel too good.

>>41006019
merlin hard, I plan on doing a flash cut for 2-3 week and cycle 450mg of test E for 12 weeks, I not rich enough to to cruise though, maybe in the future

>>41006049
A full years supply cost me less than 300 dollars. That's AI and needles included.

>>41003693
I had a disc issue then I started doing reverse hyperextensions and it got sorted out without going under the knife. I was also still doing deadlifts because Louie Simmons kept calling me a pussy and a bitch in my dreams.

>>41005985
Not the argument numbnut. Beginner or not if you're just doing the 3 main lifts and nothing more for several months then don't be surprised at the lack luster aesthetic results. Throw in accessories and some cardio after a month or 2 (doesn't have to be running, could be swimming or even boxing) and I would see you'd have much better progress aesthetically.

When will gymcels learn that face is everything theory.

>>41006170
what did i write in my post nimrod?
>starting strength isnt a aesthetics program

if u want aesthetics there are other programs

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>>41003943
I started on SS for football and judo then I did PHAT while I was in the military. After that I jumped on 5/3/1 BBB while I was in school(paramedic) and honestly the best gains I've seen so far have been off 5/3/1 because you lift for strength on the main lifts and you obtain myofibrillar hypertrophy and then you gain sarcoplasmic hypertrophy from all the assistance and accessory movements.

>>41004297
Holy fuck. I get your trying to make a change but listen want to lose weight then calories in vs calories out. Want to to drop body fat% and not look like shit then do body recomp. It will take longer but you won't look like shit in the end. Eat at 100 calories below maintenance keep running your routine while you keep progressing and add in hiit on off days. Focus on dropping body fat not pounds.

>>41006209
It's not an aesthetics program. It's also not single handedly the reason you look like shit after doing it for a couple of months. I'm just saying, don't blame SS

>>41005277
Lol your right. Old fit would have torn apart that autistic manlet in the OP

>>41006408
we´re both saying dont blame SS. im think im right tho, ofc if u change the program to a aesthetics based one you will look more aesthetic than when doing SS..

>>41002997
Wait you went from being anorexic to being on foods? Your heart is going to give out no matter which way you chose Jesus. I guess better to die with a good body than looking sickly.

>>41003059
Your nose is too big for you to be that muscular. Get a nose job or slow down because you already look mannish. The only clue that you're not is your clothing choice

>>41003716
So I frequent /fat/ as a recovering whale and holy shit the retards that post there is staggering. Half the thread is proana retards and trolls purposefully giving shitty advice. But honestly like any part of 4chan the advice here should only supplement your own research and knowledge. Never take anything here at face value just use It as a jumping off point for your own research.

>>41004625
Bullshit. Social media is a waste of time. Go spend time with your friends in person.

>>41004278
Hey I'm retarded but I never looked at starting strength (I paid someone to personalize a program for me and my goals) what the fuck are accessories in this example? I'm trying to imagine it being dumbbells or maybe adding weight but why call it accessories then? I have to be missing something.

>>41006647
Neither pic is of cheekie.

>>41003903
but you're not talking to a girl

>>41004065
'haven't done curls or sit ups for 2 months'
ok wow all those thousands of curls and sit ups you have done are now meaningless because of your new dogma

>>41004281
The risk for injury is a little higher but I think it's more of these "not everything is for everyone" kind of instances. I mean it took doing Zumba to get me to really start going to the gym and taking things seriously because I enjoy it. I think I would hate CrossFit but I'm glad for the people who enjoy it and find success in it. Maybe at some point you stop gaining and that's why it got a bad reputation on fit? Idk I don't know enough about it.

>>41003176
Warmup sets are how you get volume in when lifting heavy. If YOUR warmup sets havevno effect on your training then your warmup a shit; ramp up to your working weight from an empty bar.

>>41004297
Diet, cardio and lifting. Lifting while doing cardio and diet is in the sticky for one. For two, for some people lifting will lessen the risk of loose skin after weight loss. For three, diet while on both will ensure you're not only fueling your body properly for these workouts but also make sure you're not wasting the hard work eating back everything you worked off (which can all be done in one meal). For four, cardio is important for heart health. Lifting overall burns more calories but a combination is still important. For one you gotta warm up and cool down properly to avoid injury (a lot of strength programs assume you'll be doing this already. Same with if you meet with a strength trainer they expect you to take care of the cardio on your own time not withdraw it all together).

It'll also help your endurance, heart health, etc. You don't have to go crazy but doing both isn't going to kill gains unless you're overdoing the cardio.

Plus it's a good way to make sure you get some exercise in on days where maybe you don't feel good enough to lift but taking a brisk walk is manageable, or when you're on vacation and don't want to ditch your family to go lift for hours but a half hour of cardio before you get ready for the day won't be unreasonable.

>>41006591
None of the things I mentioned would count as "aesthetic based". Cardio is for cardio vascular health. Dips and chin ups are excellent for the muscle groups they workout. The underlying tone to what I'm arguing is that you don't HAVE to train for aesthetics, at all, to not look like garbage. You'll look great actually.

>>41006680
That's not what I meant. Social media is becoming more and more necessary for even things like jobs and schools. I'm not just talking about being social. It's becoming necessary to be FUNCTIONAL in society.

>>41006686
Accessories for SS would be chin ups and dips. You can throw in some planks and hyper extensions too but I wouldn't worry about it.
They're called accessories because they're not priority in the muscle groups you're training. Chin ups for example helps with grip/forearm strength. Doing them will help improve your main lifts.

>>41003401
Its very good for beginners. Yeah it may be slower than a brosplit at first, but the base strength will be very fucking useful once your noob gains are done and become intermediate.

>>41006591
You actually should blame a program if it doesn't get you the results that people claim it gives.

BUH BUH SS IS A STRENGTH PROGRAM
Entire board fags on about babbys first strength programs as if they are the only way to get fit or whatever you want to achieve with your body and all you'll end up with is big thighs a wide gut well developed back and MAYBE well developed forearms.
It doesn't even necessarily help with losing weight. Hell you'll outright fucking STALL on any strength program if you are using it to cut with and stalling + the ridiculous expectation that you should lift heavier every time no matter what = a one way trip to snap city.

The root of all fitness is basic fucking calisthenics stretching and some form of cardio like jogging/running/walking/swimming.

If you dedicate 1 fucking year to the above three then you will have a rock solid base of physical ability that can transfer to any athletic or physical endeavor you can ever possibly concieve of.

>>41006825
No one claimed SS was meant for aesthetics. It's meant to give a beginner a foundation in strength and it does so effectively

>>41006825
To see such a delusional and angry man

Sad!

>>41006696
kek

>>41002431
I didn't find this out until a few weeks ago but all you have to do is listen to them talk and just listen and nod your head. I know everyone always says to let the girls do the talking but it never really clicked for me until I was at a bar with a lesbian co-worker a few months ago. She was hot but I knew she was a lesbian so I wasn't expecting to get laid, so I just acted normal and she just talked about chick stuff while I just listened and sipped on my beer. Later we go grab some food at a diner and she just grabs me and starts making out with me in the car. Afterwards we go back to my place and fuck like animals.

>>41002162
He might be a manlet but does anyone notice how long his dick print is no homo

>>41006825
>doesn't lift weights
>doesn't actually read the program
fuck off

>>41003716
The best way to lose fat is to stop pounding unnecessary carbs, but HIIT or heavy lifting are the next 2 best things to lose fat.

>>41002162
somebody help these people damn

>>41004408
Dude

>>41005264
I believe that PHULnwas x4 and PHAT was x5 with a day for your back

>>41002274
The sticky is a fucking joke, they should replace it with the GH15 bible.

>>41008059
A lot of the links are broken because it's years old.

>>41002162
>SS till you reach 1/2/3/4 then go to an aesthetic routine
>literally anything from trappy chan

>>41002435
I absolutely agree, SS was the WORST routine I had ever done.

>>41002431
>that juxtaposition of success and utter failure
K I N O

>>41002162
Bulking whatsoever

Youre not a fucking bodybuilder, you don't have the will, time or discipline to pull off a proper cut and you'll just permabulk your way into builtfat (which is ok if that's what you want)

Just lift and eat well, slow and steady progress

>>41005105

To be fair people give sticky advice here to everyone and tell to "READ THE DAMN STICKY"

It's fucking garbage desu senpai.

But I gotta agree. Bulking 'speed' and bulking when skinny fat were single handedly the worst unironic advices I took myself. After first year(s) of lifting you can realistically expect to gain maybe 3kg of pure muscle mass in a YEAR and bulking/cutting cycles are fucking stupid so lean gains and bulk is the only right way to go if you wanna look good all the time so you honestly shouldn't be gaining more than 1kg of weight per month. that way the eventual cut won't take 4-6 months.

second was obviously the skinnyfat part. what logic is there to BULK when you are already fat as fuck (20-25% bf) ? Absolutely retarded, ALWAYS CUT FIRST.

Thirdly I gotta say training frequency. "Bro ur natty!! as a natty you cant train more than 2-3 times a week! overtraining!

Wish I started way earlier to do PPLxPPLx

>>41005402

Oh boy no he wouldn't.

>>41002435
Ehm... Steve Reeves built his Body mostly with one barbell and moderate exercise with mostly healthy eating habits. Even fucking Arnold prefered barbells, he did heavy barbell curls more than dumbbell curls.

>>41002608
I love Cardio, but it isn't necessary if you want to loose weight or be shredded, in fact, after Cardio you tend to eat the double amount of calories you lost doing Cardio, that doesn't happen with lifting.

>>41002828
What do you look like Cheekie? How ripped?

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>>41002748
I do full body 3x a week.Natties need frequency

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>>41002162
>try straight sex, it's better than homosex

>>41004857
It's the high cost and attraction of fanatical zealots who either won't stfu about crossfit like it's the first time circuit training has been invented, or the fact it attracts idiots who ego lift while continually posting videos of themselves online.

Conceptually it is good, in execution it's that it's basically a cult that has loud, narcissistic idiots that detracts from it.

>>41010904
A cult that attracts mediocre people to do mediocre training. And they pay a lot for that. It's just the bottom of the barrel, really. I'd join the military if I wanted to do real circuit training, and get some money out of it also.
But these people are so fucked in the head that they need to pay over 100$ to have someone tell them to do pushups and situps.
>muh olly lifting
Yeah, no. That's not even close to olly lifting.

>>41002162
Source pls op

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>>41004408
can't make this up

>>41004983
...it is though. how can you be so dumb?

>>41014702

He read the sticky and now thinks he knows literally everything.

These guys are worse than people who ask basic questions that would be covered in the sticky.

>>41004697
men have most their fat collect in their belly. Women in their breast and ass.

>t. retard

>>41004408
Fuck you, I laughed so hard at your stupidity that I strained my neck
>home gym masterrace reporting in

>>41006896

>believing the lesbian meme

Dykes don't exist c'mon man.

>>41011766
Most people are mediocre mate, I don't disagree about the participants. If you read my post you'd notice I think the high portion of idiots is why so many hate it. Conceptually though for a lot to people circuit training is good and military isn't on a lot of people's list of viable careers. Think outside of just your little world, for all those who are 30, 40+ and want fitness, friends and a schedule cross fit can provide that. It's the poor execution of a good method, the zealots who do it poorly and the high cost which is what has the rest of the fitnesss world bashing on it, which is what the anon i replied to was asking about. Not everything is black and white my young grasshopper. It isn't great but it's better than some alternatives like sitting on your ass

>>41004697
You realize that 17-18% on females looks pretty athletic, right?

>>41004607
I power cleaned 135 as a 6th grader but couldn't think of benching 95

Those are strange numbers

>>41002162
you never looked good to begin with

>>41016795
Power cleans are something I need to continue practicing anyway so I'm not too worried about that being too low. I'm new to all this so I don't know what should be strange to me. Like just how much more should my diddly be in comparison to my squat?

>>41017775
stop stressing, idiots here troll or are genuinely retarded in about 9/10 posts. If you ever hit advanced level your squat and dead will probably be within about 10% of each other, unless you have really strange relative limb lengths (actually odd, not hurr durr I think I have long femurs but look exactly like everyone else I've ever met, think Phelps or Lu, actually anomalous). So if the end game for most people means squat and dead within about 10% then it just means you are likely balanced in your physique to be around there a month in. Keep training, worry about imbalances if you're still lifting in 24 months, so long as you don't completely neglect an entire muscle group you will not likely develop anything strange before you are intermediate-advanced stage

>>41017923
So I'm all good then. Thanks anon. you saved me from recklessly adding extra weight and visiting snap city.

>>41003716
Yeah it is if you don't want to quit from boredome

>>41008463
Try using some discipline man.

>>41018048
Try bulking like a big-boy instead of being scared of food u fucking pussy

>>41018015
View lifting as a long term process and you'll do fine. Remember most people posting here have less than 1 year's experience lifting so honestly exercise extreme caution with advice, board is rampant with e-statting, trolls and just genuinely ignorant people. Not to say everything here is wrong, but doesn't hurt to cross check what you hear. Also there are individual differences so track your progress by weight, measuring and photos, note your diet and sleep roughly and compare results over 1-3 month periods with whatever program you're on. Best way to find what works for you, if you find SS or PPL or whatever has made you stronger and look better and someone on here bashes it who gives a fuck if it's working. Actual evidence trumps anon opinions. Consistency training, eating, sleeping and progressive overload with safe form = results.

>>41011766
military PT is a meme, it is completely useless outside of running and rucking

t. Airborne infantry

>>41018263
What should I do to improve pushups, pullups, and my 3 mile time? What did you do?

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>>41004297
Well for a start you READ THE STICKY

>>41018503
pushups, pullups, and running 3 miles. Dip

>>41002162
This gif right here fit. See the Chad on the bottom. Go for conversation, not ass, and the ass will follow. Told this woman with a boyfriend she had beautiful eyes and she was thirsting over my BBC.

>>41019184
No shit faggot.

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>>41002162
Does anyone have sauce on video? Location? Anything? Swear I went to high school with the dude in that video..

>>41018109
I'm a pussy for not over eating like a fat bitch on days that I run?
I can tell you're overweight from here.

/fit/ constantly has dyels telling people that if they do a lift two or more days in a row they will fold in half like an accordian and zyzz himself will come down from the heavens to take their gains away.

Protip: you can do the same lifts everyday, just make sure you don't neglect any muscle groups. dyel's taking recovery advice from guys who bench 200-300lbs more than they deadlift need to shut the fuck up.

If you aren't benching 2x bodyweight, you don't really need a FUCKING WEEK OFF, or even 2 days.

>>41004376
not bad at all m80, keep it up. Seriously mirin your 45kg ohp with less than 2 months training

>>41018263
82, 425 or 173?

>>41019930
Goodnight pizza

>>41004918
M8 I'm a skelly and have the same size arms, how did you not notice

>>41006680
Senpai, ur shitposting on 4chan your life is already being wasted

>you need more than 48 hours for recovery

If you get enough rest and protein, you'll be fine hitting up that muscle/group again.

>>41020032
This. At least do dips or some other chest shit on the days you aren't benching. Same thing with the press - do dumbbell presses on your off days, or your shoulders are going to lag.

>>41008790
Filthy manlet

>>41002435
Ironically I do modified full body workout. I feel like I'm doing literally nothing, because it doesn't have too much volume. 2-3 exercises per session, 2 to 3 times a weak. Yet doing that nothing yielded me pretty good gains. Going all out in the gym is a meme.

>>41007309
caught you miring. I didn't even notice until you pointed that out. Gross

>>41008354
>25% body fat
>skinny in any sense of the word
some actual skinny-fat people are sick of looking skinny thus don't want to cut for a few month so they bulk first

>>41004140
You forgot to mention the part where he gained 45 lbs of lean body mass in 6 months, srove his squat from 145x5 to 345x5, DL'd 325, Benched 240, OHP'd 145 and cleaned 176.
It's a testament that SS works and you think it's a fucking joke just because the guy got fat in the process. What's weird is he quit lifting after that. He never really did the right thing to cut right after the GOMAD-phase ended so he would've been a sikk kunt.

My story is iv been lifting consitebtly for months and then take breaks on months end and its just a back and forth progress, everytime i start lifting again half the progress is just getting back the gains i had before, and then after that i will progress a little bit. This year i started again in feb, but thhe difference is that i got fat rather than got skinny so i have been doing an aggressive recomp and that was the best fitness decision i made so far. I was literally gaining back muscle and losing fat at the same time. Fast forward two months and im now just slowly losing weight. Regardless i never counted calories before or track my macros and its actually really key to making proper progress that is consistent. You also learn new shit about how your body reacts to certain stimulus or diet.

>chin ups are enough for biceps!

I actually avoided curls for months as a beginner because I thought people in the gym would judge me. Thanks /fit/

>>41023520
which big compount lifts are best for working my biceps? so far i do chinups and lat pulldowns. what else can i do for arms (no curls pls)

>>41023305
>It's a testament that SS works
Did you see that kid before he got into SS? He's a mostly sedentary adolescent who barely fucking ate.
He gorged and lifted and got strong. ANY young male in the same position as him would have gotten stronger ON ANY STRENGTH TRAINING PROGRAM you fucking retard.

He's an anomaly, not the norm. And if you're going to push him as the norm then you goddamned well better have dozens of similar cases to post as well.

>>41023696
>He's an anomaly, not the norm. And if you're going to push him as the norm then you goddamned well better have dozens of similar cases to post as well.

isnt fit full of people like this
>i did SS+GOMAD and all i got was a fat ass and high squat PR

>>41023671
Bench. Wear a shirt that's tight under the arms.

>>41023706
None of them post pics.
NONE OF THOSE SUPPOSED SS FOLLOWERS POST PICS!

Show me ten people who had similar results. I'll wait.

>>41023714
how the fuck does bench train biceps

>>41004408
>Not tricked
>Blew 1,250 for basic training that is delivered for free else where.

Pick one.

You could have done a golds gym + trainer + zoomba (gotta keep those social gains) for half that. Post body.

>>41023520
Fuuug I'm scared of this. Chin ups are basically the only bicep work I get. And I feel it more on my forearms anyway. Then again, just how many chin ups can you do?

>>41024119
twice that since he's probably paying for his wife too

>you end up fat
bulking and getting fat is either a problem with bad food quality/macro choices or over emphasising strength gains based on your priorities.

a good bulk IMO should add about 1/2 lb of bodyweight per week. do some smart conditioning, keep your food clean, get enough sleep and you never have to get fat. and even if you do get a little soft, just increase cardio and dial back carbs a little for 2-4 weeks and you'll be lean again

i've done this for a year on the TM and its always been enough food to make me jump up my lifts almost every week. at the advanced level this probably won't be possible but i'l do an advanced routine and keep similar dietary habits

the only reason to ever get fat on a bulk and not do something about it is if you're trying to hit a weight class or something, or if you're going for maximum strength without regard for looks.

>>41023520
depends.

the only arm work i get is OHP, cgbp and weighted PULL ups and my biceps grow like crazy. can rep bw with 30kgs attached (bw 85kg). i also find that my biceps are worked massively by heavy presses.

do your compounds and fill in the blanks where necessary. it will be different for everyone. for example, my lats and delts need a lot of extra work to grow, whereas my biceps, pecs, legs and traps will grow fast by just doing heavy compounds.

>>41002162
>What's some of the worst unironic advice you've seen on /fit/?
everything posted in this thread so far

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>>41022443
you mean The Press?

>>41004140
do you even know what SS is?

SS is not some genius bodybuilding routine that will get you the body of your dreams. SS is exactly what it says on the tin.

you can choose to run it till its absolute end completion (ie. eating like a horse to squeeze out every last drop of LP without regard for looks) if you goal is strength alone, or you could eat at a caloric surplus which will not get you overly fat at the expense of gains as god tier as zach's (but still stronger than most other beginner routines).

it provides an excellent strength base that will pay off big time in the long run if your goal is aesthetics and you have patience.

if you want a fast beach body (not saying this is a bad goal at all), then don't do SS - it wasn;t designed for you. if you did SS for this purpose, you have no right to complain about it. blame your own uninformed decision.

>>41025067
Strength base is bullshit
And tell people to stop shilling SS as the answer for literally every fitness and health question ever asked on this board.

>>41025091
those people are retarded, yes, i agree with you there. SS is not magical but its the best routine on the market for the goals of the majority of young men

also, strength base is not bullshit. as well as providing some solid hypertrophy in beginners, it's going to make you strong enough to handle heavy enough weights to spur good growth in future when you start adding in RDLs, DB rows, laterals etc. strength is the best attribute to have in the gym. a strength base isn't totally essential, but given that SS (with the accessories programmed in appropriately) is going to spur enough hypertrophy anyway, you;re better using your time to do SS, get strong and then do your bodybuilding rather than jumping on on a brosplit. no one with a big press has smal arms or shoulders, no one with a big squat has small legs and no one with a big deadlift has small traps (unless you;re trying to stay small for some reason)

>>41025091
>not wanting to be strong
Fag

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>>41002435

>>41025176
You can build that strength base wit basically anything as a noob. Why not build it with bodybuilding type workouts?

>>41026223
Most of the strong natty guys in your local gym haven't even heard of SS or do any type of powerlifting/strength training.

You are not stronger then them and you will give up on your fantasies within 2 years. Either dissatisfied with the way you look, the fact that you can't get that new pr high or injured from ego lifting.

>>41008790
can you post your routine pretty please?

>>41026457
it will be slower and bodybuilding workouts, being fuckong not designed for anything but mass, will make you stall soon and stal hard. just wait till you have the strength before you start.

SS then PPL or UL or something like that, jesus fucking christ how impatient are you

for the record, i've been on the texas method for 2 years, did SS for half a year prior to this, and have added in all necessary accessories and am now better looking and stronger than the entire gym i go to.

heavy compounds + accessories to fill in the blanks > dicking around with cables and dumbbells to get mad pumped and jacked bro

>>41026536
There is no such thing as a half decent beginner bodybuilding workout that doesn't stress putting more weight on the bar and or upping volume.

It taking longer means nothing.

>>41004342
Its almost as if different trainers and locations do different variations of crossfit adhering to different standards, so one persons good experience does not invalidate another persons bad experience

>>41026576
equally, there is no such thing as a half decent beginner's strength routine without progressively overloading via weight jumps and volume increase, facilitating quality mass gain in the early stages. SS is not a waste of time to bodybuilders and is preferable to mediocre strength programming found in BB routines

you even get your LTEs in SS is you choose to program them in which everyone should

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>>41025067
So I just did my first SS workout today, and the 5 minute breaks in between each set felt a little weird and stagnant. Is it recommended to work on abs or pushups in between sets or does that just take away from the rest of the exercise and lead to stalling or early muscle failure?

>>41002813
>Responding to tripfags at all

>>41002162
This webm is fucking wonderful

>>41026879
why would you do that? the abs, and less so the pushups, are going to provide nothing productive to the workout that you couldn't do at the end, and they're going to tre your core out and prbably make you miss your squats.

just wait. visualise the next set, do some light dynamic warm ups, talk to the old shredded guy, whatever. if you are pressed for time then go ahead and do your OHP or bench or something between sets but its likely that equipment limitations/a busy gym is going to limit your potential to do that. also i find that i am weaker at my other lifts if i superset them e.g. squats are tiring on the lower back and so OHP isn;t as stable and conversely OHP doesn't let the back recuperate for the next set of squats.

play around with it and don;t d anything that will detract from the main lifts. personally i'd just wait.

>>41026966
Gotcha, thanks man. I didn't do that today, but mostly just thinking ahead for the next workout.

Probably just gonna go ahead and order the SS book for future reference.

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You have to lurk for 3 years minimum before you're allowed to post on /fit/.

>>41027002
if you haven't already read it, read all of it. it provides a succint explanation of why that type of programming is good and contains the best guides on how to perform squats, deadlifts, bench presses and OHP on the planet by far with less thorough explanations of fundamental accessory movements. there's something like 70 pages of descriptions of the squat alone.

>>41002162
Dude deserves a punch in the face. Fucking awkward and he just follows her about, creepy bastard

>>41002902
Blasted the fuck out m8. Dumbass

>>41004131
>>41002675
Starting Strength causes imbalances because it doesn't incorporate rows. Other than that it's good.

>>41027026
This

>>41027026
Only decent post ITT.

>>41027064
rip suggests incorporating chins after 5 weeks or something. plus, he says it's fine to substitute cleans for rows if imbalances are a concern for you

>>41027026
My nigga!

>>41003401
The only thing wrong with it is the lack of rows.

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>>41027026
>6'7
Even girls are this tall now.

>>41002772
>high volume, low frequency

What do you mean? High weight low rep?

>>41023520
>not doing weighted chin ups

>>41027275
intensity = % of 1RM used for an exercise
volume = reps x sets of said exercse
frequency = no. of times said exercise is trained per week

>>41024781
Do weighted chin ups

>>41027275

this >>41027307

the anon you replied to is referring to split workouts in which everything is trained once and with a crazy number of exercises, sets and reps like:

ABCDExx
A=chest, B=back, C=arms, D=legs, E=shoulders or something similar

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>>41003487

>>41026879
you don't have to wait fucking 5 minutes

>>41004408
oh dios

>>41005523
kekd

>>41002895
post pics

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>>41002435
>westside
>for beginners

you have no idea

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>>41004281
>snatches for time
>deadlifts for time
>greg glassman
>company kicked out anyone with different opinions
>company has poor cert standards
>150-250 a month for their inexperienced shit tier coaching
>shit tier community is getting better, pretty lame people though
>wannabe jocks
>tryhard middle aged women
>pretentious know it all types

Hate to break it to you, but you would have gotten the same exact weight loss results if you did cardio or military style training, probably would have saved you a bundle of bucks too. Also with military training you are less likely to get injured, more training history and experience went into designing some of these navy seal and army programs.