wtf is the deal with the nofap meme? pic related, I'm about

>>40966873
discipline, power, control
>make you stronk and that

Nothing really unless you are actually addicted to masturbation.

Some old school boxing coaches say their fighters can't have sex during training as it amps up anger and testosterone supposedly but I don't think that's actually the case.

so realistically, if i only masturbate 1-3 times a week, there is no reason to completely stop?

makes your dick a lot harder and waiting a while gives you massive loads

>>40966873
it's just reactionary conservatism in the face of rapid sociopolitical change.

The only practical reasons for Nofap are;

A) dick problems - deathgrip, ED
B)porn addiction

It is even more redundant if you're not getting sex elsewhere. It's basically just a random challenge if you don't suffer from a or b, in the same way that you can challenge yourself to eat a carrot every day.

>>40966873

The benefit of no fap, as far as I am concerned, comes entirely from quitting porn.
If I were you I would just stop using porn altogether. You will probably find that without that constant sexual stimulus in your life that you only tend to need to masturbate every 3 or so days which you can then do using your imagination/memory.

This will give you all the benefit you need.

It's really just porn that's the fucking issues. It's not good for you in anyway to have a constant stream of highly erotic images in your face.

>>40966901
It's true.
Nowadays their all on heavy doses of steroids so it doesn't matter anymore.

>>40966873
Increased muscle mass
Higher test
Body will change to accommodate the extra test meaning that it will become more sensitive too it and any activities that temporarily boost it.
Dick will get a bit bigger over time and always hang thick
You'll be more outgoing
Stronger
More aggressive
More alert
Can concentrate better
Sex will feel more rewarding and better

nofap will increase your sex drive. if you dont fap for a day or two, you'll start getting insanely horny whenever you're around any kind of female that's even remotely attractive.

some say it also increases your test levels, others say that prolonged abstinence actually ends up decreasing your test levels. research on the subject has been scarce and not very conclusive.

Its a fucking meme. Just dont wack it 3 or 4 tines a day and you will be fine. People are trying to trick you.

>>40967155
My friend did no fap and got super horny. It was fucking annoying. All he talked about was women.

I guess you could say I'm doing nofap, since I haven't jerked it in 5 days or so. I feel more confident and feel better overall, but it's probably just placebo. Even so, if the placebo affects you, is it not still worth it? I would say it is, give your dick a break and see how it feels. If you notice no difference then yank it 8 times a day, but your the only one that can answer if it works or not.

Started a nofap streak this week. So far I've noticed that I want to fuck every semi attractive woman, I'm bit more outgoing/aggressive, I'm almost always at half chub, and gym time feels more productive. Might be placebo, might not be; but I've felt a difference.

>>40966873

Her 25 year old face does not match her 11 year old body OP are you a pedophile?.

>>40966873
it's fine if it amps you up to fuck wimminz, if you're not even trying to get your dick wet it's fucking dumb.

Its just about disciplining your sexual cravings. Every fucking day with this thread man.

I've done it for over a year now. The physical benefits are a meme, I just do it for moral reasons. Still sucks though.

>>40967312
>Might be placebo

100% is.

>>40967409
>>40967400

This x 1000

>>40967180
I fap 1-3 times a day and I still talk about women. Few days ago I actually made 2 day nofap, I am sure that if I made it to a week or so I would actually get laid
because I would do actually something to get it, when I fap I don't really care

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>>40967082
>tfw both of these problems exist in my life
>tfw can't nofap to save my life

Seeing these threads makes me want to fap.

>masturbate 2-4 times a day every day
>decide to try nofap
>made it two weeks
>was hornier and angrier
>hair around my wrists grew more

That was about all I got from it.

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SEXUAL APPETITE TEST

If you can get a boner without touching your schlong and just using this photo and your imagination then your sexual appetite is healthy and you're doing it right.

If you can't get a boner then stop watching porn and fapping so much.

Bonus points if you get a boner and then ignore it and go about your day without fapping. Discipline boys, live it learn it love it.

>>40967438
This is what he thought too. Didn't work out because after a couple months he was so desperate that his game fucking sucked.

>>40967718
What if I don't get a boner but a weird aching feeling in the back of my throat? Does that count for half points?

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>>40967117
>memory

Of...of what?

That chick looks like lord farquad

>>40967901

Bitches you see on the street. You can easily mentally undress them do whatever you want in your imagination. It popularly known as the spank bank.

Why would you fap to the memory your girlfriend, when you get to fuck her?

did nofap for 3 days just fine, then around 1 am i woke up with a massive boner and couldn't fall back asleep until i jerked off.

>>40967718
The only time I can get a boner without looking at porn is when I think about my ex, and even then I imagine the porn I'm watching is stuff she is doing to/for me.

I cuck myself with a girl who won't ever love me again.

>>40966873

Less social anxiety, I found myself reviewing / planning what I'm saying a lot less. No idea why though.

>>40967718
>tfw young and sometimes get boners for no reason

>>40967149
will also last approx 2.5 seconds with a girl.
the ol good and bad of life

I honestly believe it is all placebo effect happening. jerk as much as you want. it is only a problem if you do it too much.

>>40968882
Being able to cum from regular sex and getting it back up moments later is a lot more important then lasting for hours and the sex feeling like an infuriating chore and that jacking off is faster.

>>40966873
>more resistant to temperatures

Pretty much the only benefit I noticed during my 10 days streak (mind you, I'm only on day 10, when I ascend to day 90 and beyond, I'll report back.)

>>40967718
somebody pls have her name

>>40967901
1/2 this shit is retarded.

Why the fuck would you deliberately walk slower right next to people you don't know just because you're set on not passing them and getting on with your day.

I've got shit to do, there's no way I'm going to fucking weight for a bunch of fat lazy cunts waddling their way infront of me.

>>40967149
>Increased muscle mass
>Higher test
>Body will change to accommodate the extra test meaning that it will become more sensitive too it and any activities that temporarily boost it.
>Dick will get a bit bigger over time and always hang thick
>You'll be more outgoing
>Stronger
>More aggressive
>More alert
>Can concentrate better
>Sex will feel more rewarding and better
Can you cite any of that?

>>40966873
The benefit of nofap is habitual/behavioural.

You are demonstrating an ability to resist your urges. Pulling the head off is pretty degenerate.
So doing it less is surely a good thing.

And there is some evidence of minor testosterone elevation through about a week timeframe. But then it plateaus. These are all well within your body's natural test levels.

If you can't even not beat off for a consecutive number of days, how do you ever expect to achieve anything that requires actual discipline?

Protip: just take a week off from time to time. Do it for the sake of your benis. It is designed to smash the sweet walls of a warm wet hole, not get battered raw by your death grip.

>>40969064
>>Increased muscle mass
The increased test will lead to small but perceptable gains in muscle mass. Plus the focus and agression that comes with giving it up will lead to harder workouts and pushing yourself harder during activities.

>>Higher test
This has been proven multiple times.

>>Body will change to accommodate the extra test meaning that it will become more sensitive too it and any activities that temporarily boost it.
This actually happens. The body simply won't decide to up your test levels and that's all.

>>Dick will get a bit bigger over time and always hang thick
A dick that's not constantly satisfied is one that will be almost always ready and waiting. Most healthy non ancient men who aren't full on degenerates who've destroyed themselves with porn will carry a partial chub all of the time and have multiple erections throughout the day.
It's been proven that stretching and pumping works. Meaning dick will get bigger over time and fill up larger.

>>You'll be more outgoing
It's a known thing that test makes you more outgoing.

>>Stronger
More apparent strength because of the psychological and physical changes, and after a while more actual strength.

>>More aggressive
Apparent and known side effect of abstinance

>>More alert
Apparent and known side effect of astinance

>>Can concentrate better
radda radda radda

>>Sex will feel more rewarding and better
It just does. I can't explain it it just feels fucking mind blowing.

>>40969227
>If you can't even not beat off for a consecutive number of days, how do you ever expect to achieve anything that requires actual discipline?
This is a sentiment I've never really understood. All kinds of successful, hard working people have one vice they can't drop. Hell, when I was in my twenties I was dominating the local jiu jitsu circuit, but I was compulsively fapping twice a day every day. I don't think discipline applies to all things equally. Does it take discipline to stop fapping? Almost certainly. But that doesn't mean you can't work on other skills that require discipline just because you have one compulsive vice.

>>40969316
Do you understand what a citation is?

>inb4 "google it bruh, I don't have to prove shit"

>>40966873
Some pseudo science shit. Just like other things, too much of something is always bad.

>>40969352
fug

NoFap is the fountain of youth

>>40969352
>watching another man fuck a woman

No wonder there are so many cuckolds nowadays

>>40969318
Didn't mean to stop forever.

It is a simple thing to achieve.
So is not eating too much. But people seem to not manage that.

Periodically denying yourself your vice surely can only have positive outcomes.
If your only weakness is a propensity to jack off in the cubicles at work during your lunch break, then fuck me you've got your life together and have at it.

But this is a Liberian lunchbox decoupage discussion group, and nobody here has their life that together
. I would never advocate a chaste pleasure less life, just that if we all spent a little less time tugging the todger and instead put that time and energy towards self improvement - read a book or lift a weight or whatever, then we would all be better off.

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>>40967082
i had both of these problems and they fucked up my sex at the start. i couldnt get hard on my first bj, and it took me 5 tries to cum with sex, raw while she was using the pill. I couldn't feel anything due to deathgrip and i wasn't aroused because i was used to the amazing camera angles. on the 5th try however, it took me an hour and a half, and i had to go into a meditative zen mode, but i managed to finish, and from then on i was fine. it kinda worked out in the end tho because now i can last a really long time

>>40967149
Christfag detected

>>40969479
Hello rebbit

>>40969035
pls respond

>>40969503
I just found her in literally less than a minute of searching and four clicks.

You could at least try, anon.

>>40969332
>>Increased muscle mass
>>Body will change to accommodate the extra test meaning that it will become more sensitive too it and any activities that temporarily boost it.
>>You'll be more outgoing
>>Stronger
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/masturbation-downregulates-certain-androgenic-receptors-in-the-brain-and-upregulates-certain-estro.6998/
Androgen receptors = more muscle and more strength

>>More aggressive
>>More alert
>>Can concentrate better
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201310/testosterone-fuels-both-competition-and-protectiveness
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-lookup/doi/10.1210/jc.2003-031354

>>Higher test
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1631%2Fjzus.2003.0236?LI=true
There's also a study that I've found that says that testosterone will remain elevated for as long as fapping is ceased.
>>Dick will get a bit bigger over time and always hang thick
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20102448
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16536772
If you give up jacking off but are active have good blood flow and have fairly high test you will have a perma slight chub and get boners frequently. Sometimes painful ones.
That = bigger dick over the long haul.
Jacking off = constatntly satisfied and shriveled dick that isn't filled or getting the much needed nutrients that it has to have for growth.

>>Sex will feel more rewarding and better
You have to see for yourself.

>>40969888
The first link is borked.

The second link is non credible and you know it, wikipedia is not a fucking citation.

The third link is a non sequitur at this point, as you haven't established that your testosterone even rises at this point.

The fourth link is interesting, but doesn't have any relevent information about the effect of ejaculation on testosterone, only the effects of increased or decreased testosterone on sexual behavior.

The fifth link is semi pertinent, but only talks about a 3 week study, which means jack shit when you're talking about a lifestyle change. Taking small doses of methamphetamine has plenty of health benefits over a 3 week period, doesn't mean it will work out well in the long run.

The sixth is pretty much the same as the fifth, establishing a rise in testosterone on the short term, but it says nothing about the long term.

The seventh link is about a penile extender device, I don't really see how that's relevant.

The eighth link is about another penile enhancement device, again, don't see how that's relevant.

Okay. So 6/8 weren't even pertinent, and the 2 out of 8 that were valid only look at things in the *very* short term.

Good work.

>>40969651
google searching the image gives me nothing. after that i'm out of ideas

>>40970016
oh wait i got it

>>40970043
Oh cool, who is she? I don't know how 2 internet when I'mm this drunk, Id be happy if you could share

>>40970233
Anllela Sagra. that picture is probably the best one she has. kinda disappointing

>>40970253
>that picture is probably the best one she has
Hate it when that happens.

it's more about the addiction to porn rather than no masturbation. noporn > nofap

>>40969997
>The first link is borked.
Okay, so we've established that you're either functionally fucking retarded or you want to prove that you're right and to hell with the truth.
This is going to be painful.

>The second link is non credible and you know it, wikipedia is not a fucking citation.
I'm telling you what androgen does you fucking idiot. You can go pick up an encyclopedia and look it up.

>The third link is a non sequitur at this point, as you haven't established that your testosterone even rises at this point.
Bitching simply to bitch. Go it.

>The fourth link is interesting, but doesn't have any relevent information about the effect of ejaculation on testosterone, only the effects of increased or decreased testosterone on sexual behavior.
You see those words in green? That means that the links that I've posted are about those.
That's what those links are about.
Okay. Moving on.

>The fifth link is semi pertinent, but only talks about a 3 week study, which means jack shit when you're talking about a lifestyle change. Taking small doses of methamphetamine has plenty of health benefits over a 3 week period, doesn't mean it will work out well in the long run.
Okay sure. You're litterally so fucking hard up to jack off or want guys to jack off more likely that you're being wilfully fucking retarded.

>The sixth is pretty much the same as the fifth, establishing a rise in testosterone on the short term, but it says nothing about the long term.
Long term has actually shown that test remains high until ejaculation occurs. Period.

>The seventh link is about a penile extender device, I don't really see how that's relevant.
>The eighth link is about another penile enhancement device, again, don't see how..

Jacking off = constatntly satisfied and shriveled dick that isn't filled or getting the much needed nutrients that it has to have for growth.

So you've been speaking from a place of obvious ignorance this entire time and merely want to be correct.

>>40970300
>Okay, so we've established that you're either functionally fucking retarded or you want to prove that you're right and to hell with the truth.
I don't know what to tell you. I get a screen for a forum but it says I don't have permission to access it.

>I'm telling you what androgen does you fucking idiot. You can go pick up an encyclopedia and look it up.
No, you're referring me to a source about androgen does that is obviously and demonstratively untrustworthy.

>Bitching simply to bitch.
No, it's a literal non sequitur, as you're using a source to support a claim other than the one you've been trying to make, ie

>the effects of rising testosterone are x
when you need to prove
>not masturbating causes a rise in testosterone
Which you do actually do later, but you're starting with an extrapolating claim based on information that you hadn't established yet.

>You see those words in green? That means that the links that I've posted are about those.
>That's what those links are about.
>Okay. Moving on.
Every word of this is effectively gibberish, because you didn't actually address my point.

>You're litterally so fucking hard up to jack off or want guys to jack off more likely that you're being wilfully fucking retarded.
I actually don't masturbate, I was just looking into your sources to check the validity of your claims since it's so rare to see someone put effort into a post on /fit/. I wasn't even part of this thread before I saw your post as I scrolled past it.

>Long term has actually shown that test remains high until ejaculation occurs. Period.
Citation. Needed. You can't just say something with no source to back it up and expect it to be taken as truth.

>Jacking off = constatntly satisfied and shriveled dick that isn't filled or getting the much needed nutrients that it has to have for growth.
Citation. Needed.

>If you don't agree with me you're ignorant brah, nevermind my bad sources, I said it's true so it is!

>>40967718
I'm not 13 anymore, I don't get bones just from watching pictures

>>40970505
>I don't know what to tell you. I get a screen for a forum but it says I don't have permission to access it.
....

>No, you're referring me to a source about androgen does that is obviously and demonstratively untrustworthy.
Okay then go fucking google/yahoo/bing/duckduck go what androgen actually fucking does because you sure as fuck don't know.


>No, it's a literal non sequitur, as you're using a source to support a claim other than the one you've been trying to make, ie
No you're simply bitching to bitch.

>Which you do actually do later, but you're starting with an extrapolating claim based on information that you hadn't established yet.
So yeah, you're bitching to bitch.


>Every word of this is effectively gibberish, because you didn't actually address my point.
The proven effects of testosterone?
You know the stuff you will gain from ceasing masturbation outright. That thing?

>I actually don't masturbate, I was just looking into your sources to check the validity of your claims since it's so rare to see someone put effort into a post on /fit/. I wasn't even part of this thread before I saw your post as I scrolled past it.
If you say so.

>Citation. Needed. You can't just say something with no source to back it up and expect it to be taken as truth.
I just posted the source. You said "crystal meth is actually healthy for a month" and thought you were being clever and proved something.
You didn't.
This study plus every bit of recorded history surrounding sex and male sexuality in general plus millions of bits of anecdotal evidence says that not jacking off = test gains.

>Citation. Needed.
It's called penile atrophy.

>>If you don't agree with me you're ignorant brah, nevermind my bad sources, I said it's true so it is!
You're just being an ignorant fuckwad at this point.

>>40970742
>you're just bitching!
>gotta google that shit brah!
>you just want to complain

No, you uneducated fuck, I'm applying basic academic standards to your citations and post. It's highschool tier shit you troglodyte, is that really too much for you?

>evidence says that not jacking off = test gains.
Correct! In the short term. Until you find me a study that looks at the long term effects, you have no grounds to stand on. If you wanted another example, you could look at the health benefits people tend to pick up in the short term when they start a vegan diet, which generally come from eating healthier, more natural foods, but over the long term most vegans end up with nutritional deficiencies because they buy into the hype and believe you can live vegan without additional supplements and vitamins. I should follow this with the explanation that this example is meant to be an illustration of the idea that what is beneficial in the short run might not be beneficial in the long run. Typically I wouldn't have to break things down so simply, but you seem incredibly dense, so it seemed wise.

>It's called penile atrophy.
That's great. A name is not a source.

>You're just being an ignorant fuckwad at this point.
Nope. Again, just using the most basic of academic standards, the kind of shit you'd use when grading an acne-covered junior's lit essay. Sorry if that seems overly harsh to you.

>>40970742
I've absolutely never witnessed such an intense argument of this level concerning masturbation. Is a desire to type long, long messages a side effect of not spanking the ol' floppy fellow?

>>40970847
I don't think it's an argument so much as it is an autist screaming about "muh gains from nofap" and another autist applying academic standards to a fucking internet image board.

>>40970817
This isn't even a discussion this is me giving me you everything and wanting to discuss things and you are demonstrating that you really liked highschool debate club and that you're functionally fucking retarded.

I have wasted my time discussing, I take that back, TYPING AT YOU while you act like a stupid cunt.

But I do thank you for one thing. You pissed me off JUUUST enough to gather a list of sources to back up what I say in the next no-fap thread.

>>40970871
Oh jesus will you shut the fuck up? He's an autist for wanting you to provide good sources, but you're an even bigger autist for not only giving up some sources, but fucking up the job then bitching about it. Just get off the internet and do us all a favor.

>only bate to amateur solo vids
>no problem with erections

>>40970881
No cunt. I fucked up nothing.
I gave 100% bullet proof sources and that fuckwad has done nothing but fail to hide their total stupidity behind amateur debating skills.

>>40966873
>what are the benefits of nofap
none

>>40966873
only dudes with extremely low test go on nofap
high test dudes jerk off atleast 3-4 times a day for max gains

>>40967718
My dick feels nothing lookin at this. However I can get rock hard just sitting next to my gf. What does it mean?

>been nofap for 4 months
>literally no sex drive/libido
>probably because i just done a pct 2 months ago
>cant get any erections or any arousal

>>40967859
that's a tell tale sign of homosexuality you should see a doctor quickly

the benefit is having control of yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n834QqLLYhQ

>>40968958
>This
I'm one of the lucky ones that doesn't even lose the boner half the time, and if I do it's back up with just a little foreplay

>>40966873
try it for a little while
if you can't, if you lack the willpower, that seems like reason enough to try again

Mfw enough willpower to stop caring about women that can't provide interesting conversation and also just forced myself to stop getting boners by saying no

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>>40967718
im 23 and it took me about 15 seconds to grow an erection

i also jerk off to some straight, gay and trap porn

>tfw bisexual master race

>>40969888
this nigga sourcing a forum. kys

>>40971226
that's some top tier team

of asses

>>40966873
Dont do nofap uless you really want to get your dick wet.

I suggest just stop beating your meat to porn. It is really difficult in the start, but at least i got into anal dildos and found a new pleasure.

>>40966873
None, a bunch of mongs got Noporn ( which is legit) completely wrong and took it overboard. It's a naturalfonction of the body to produce sperm, and to release it.
What's next, nopee?

>inb4 muh test
The first sign of low test is worrying about your test levels.
Eat meat, lift iron, spend time (sex & social) with women, and stop living your life through other people's experiences via interwebz.

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>>40970566
>this

>>40971226
Safe to say I'm good too

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Nofap is the ancient virtue of true man. No great leader you know of who left a mark on our word and history was sitting home busting nuts on himself. The ancient Chinese even debunked this xxxx years ago and said the man should keep his sexual energy and turn it around to greater good unless its needed for procreation. Only degenerate fucks like us today go and defend fapping cause that's all we do all day. We have failed our ancestors.

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Don't let the Christians trick you.

>>40972332
Are there people who go online and spend all fucking day waiting for people to talk about masturbation and talk without end about how awesome and natural it is and how you should be doing it as much as possible?
Do they actually sit there and wring their hands over this shit?
WHY ARE THOSE GUYS ONLINE NOT JACKING OFF!!??
Like the fucking fap grinch or something?

>>40966873
Most fapping (and porn) related problems (and the opposite nofap related benefits) really only exist when you're a chronic masturbator and porn addict.
And I would classify someone who faps every day or more as a chronic masturbator.

Still, fapping itself has no benefits. Which is reason enough not to do it.
Fapping is also more a symptom than a cause. Boredom, need for instant gratification, sensory overload, lack of struggles in life...
It's a civilizational illness.

t. nofap day 38, noporn day 70+

>>40972446
What the fuck. I just read all of that. His argument is sound, but I just don't know anymore. Does porn actually make me lazy so I don't do as well at the gym or is it simply a symptom of a larger problem that I have a lot of laziness, anxiety, guilt, and shame? I don't know what to believe anymore. If this guy is right, that means I have far worse problems to confront than a self diagnosed porn addiction. I'm so confused. Who's the real jew here? I can't sleep now. There's too much self introspection to be had. Fuck.

what porn do you guys fap to?

>>40966873

I fap every 7 or so days. I mean, I try to do nofap but I relapse and start again, but still I get most of the benefits. I minimized my porn consumption, only watch cam girls on chaturbate, which is totally...ok it is still porn but not that degrading. But yeah for an average male with average test, nofap works. It makes you more confident around people, especially women since you have no shame to joke about sex with her and just be kind of vulgar in general.

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NoFap is a meme.

The best thing you can do is Intermitten Fapping.

So for a week you jerk off as much or as little as you want, preferably as much as you can though, this is the most healthy.

Then, you take a week off without any fapping.

You will not believe how horny and testosterone filled you will feel.

See the problem with endless nofap is that your male parts actually shut down, you end up crossing the border and becoming less horny, less aroused and your penis becomes less hard and your cum becomes watery and weak and your orgasms weak and less pleasurable.

However if you fap like a maniac, and then take a break, your body is like, "shit, the penis is in constant full use, divert resources!", your erections become rock hard, you get random erections throughout the day and easily while feeling very horny, your orgasms will be much stronger and your cum becomes thick and white and in a huge quantity.

Intermitten Fapping It's like a good workout followed by a good rest period. Whereas Nofap is like stopping working out entirely. Your penis genuinely works better from giving it exercise and rest. It's also much more fun and you don't feel like shit like Nofap makes you feel especially when you break it.

>>40974038

cam sites is the best porn. Ordinary porn is just... like normie shit it is boring, everything is already seen 10000 times and also porn actresses are ugly and porn is unrealistic. Well, hegre art is a type of porn that I could give a pass. It is top noth. But the rest, you regular brazzers crap is just designed for teenagers and old people. I rarely even get aroused watching porn now unless it is something of my fetish, like incest, glory hole, solo dildo shit, nuru massage etc.

But yeah, cam sites is where all the real chicks are. It is like watching a girl next door undressing. Totally worth it. Just need to filter Colombian sluts which are all ugly and disgusting.

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Rome fell because patricians were too busy masturbating and sodomising to react to the barbarians

>>40974083

that's only if you have a gf. With no gf you would be 1 week lazy, 1 week pumped. Waste of time.

>>40966873
What's the gain from fapping, unless losing interest in pursuing women for a while you count as gain?

>>40970300
>This is going to be painful.
Nothing personal kid...

>>40974102
There's no lazy at all, what are you talking about.
>>40974101
Not even remotely true, Rome fell when it was highly Christian and nothing like early fun sexy Rome.

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>>40974118
The first christian emperor saw the last revival of the Empire after the initial split and collapse of the West

>>40973912

his argument is simply false just because porn is degrading and disgusting. For an ordinary male it absolutely distorts his worldview on women and sex. Porn is just a substitute for something. And most people use porn when they can not get sex. But they do get sex. Eventually, while some people do not get sex at all so they watch only porn and it becomes their lives. This is where nofap/noporn comes into play. It makes you to move on. Ascend and get confident to fix your problems. And obviously, the need for porn will vanish since you won't need a substitute when you can have real thing.

It is not science, studies have not been done one way or the other but that does not mean porn is not causing any harm to your mind, just like a kid watching gore videos 24/7. Images leave a trace in your brain. Constant images may change your thinking a lot.

>>40974118
>There's no lazy at all, what are you talking about.

I am talking about fapping 1 week as much as you can and then next week stoping. While you fap, you lose test and it makes you lazy. Are you this retarded not to understand it?

A fap a day keeps the doctor putting his finger inside your ass away.

>>40968076
I feel you. Sucks to get to know the one only to loose her.

>>40970742
>>40970300
>didn't actually address any of the guy's points
Mate, you're actually retarded.
>Long term has actually shown that test remains high until ejaculation occurs. Period.
lmao.
>I don't have to prove this shit. Period.

>gf breaks up
>fapping habit starts to form again
>fap 2-3 times a day
>decide to nofap
>it's hard
>get hornier with every day, morning wood lasts till family breakfast
>decide to fuck
>meet hambeast
>"I don't want anything serious for now tihihi"
>fuck her for hours, cum all over her bedroom
Now I'm stuck with a hambeast fwb and she wants to fuck with me every day. Don't fall for nofap, it's a trap of fat chicks.

>>40974161
>I am talking about fapping 1 week as much as you can and then next week stoping. While you fap, you lose test and it makes you lazy. Are you this retarded not to understand it?
You don't though, that's just you, it makes me feel hornier and better. The reason you feel bad is because you've guilted yourself so much.

>>40970996
you obviously like your gf's penis more

>>40966873
Unless you spend like 10 hours a week fapping, who cares? If you had a freaky qt gf you'd probably be fucking every day anyway, and nobody's gonna call that bad

>>40967082
Hows it a challenge to eat a carrot everyday? I flat out have 2-5 a day

>>40971003

No it's because your sexual drive is a case of use it or lose it.
If you go 4 months without sexual activity/release your dick is basically doing to just say 'welp fuck it I ain't needed' and your libido is going to fucking crash.

>>40967901
all of this applies to me but ive had a bf for 5 years. i think i just have no self esteem and am autistic

>>40974083
This guy >>40971003 proves my point, nofap is bad

>>40970742
>It's called penile atrophy.

Things atrophy when you don't use them. So I should jerk off as much as possible, cool.

>>40970948
Dude, if you never went to highschool that's fine, but don't sit here and bitch because someone actually picked apart your shit sources.

>>40974244
What are you bitching about? You got a slumpbuster to pass time until you have a viable longterm option. Who gives a shit if she's fat. You aren't taking her out in public and you're getting your dick wet while keeping your eye out for some +6/10 option. No harm no foul.

>>40975694
Wow what a decent way of living your life

>>40967082
went no fap for nearly a month once and females become twice as hot. Notable confidence boost as releasing your seed becomes paramount

>>40966873
It is good for people who have an actual porn addiction as a way of controlling impulses and breaking unhealthy habits, but for the vast majority of people it serves no purpose. There are people out there who watch so much porn it totally fucks up their world view and attitudes, it is good for them.

So long as you aren't jerking it more than once a day and aren't watching porn without fapping then you are probably fine.

>>40969888
>forum
>wikipedia
>blog
Stopped reading right there.

Fapping lowers test. Fapping lowers virility. I suppose that's fine if you want to be a manslut, never have children, and never have gains.

>>40967718

I fap every day before sleeping and this still gave me an instant erection

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>>40967901
>tfw all of it applies to me except 1
>I dont walk too fast
>tfw its because i'm a manlet

silver linings are just a meme

>>40976109
SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS IT LOWERS TEST BECAUSE IT FUCKING DOESNT
also that small increase is pretty insignificant

>>40975694
You sound like a virgin
Like, for real

>>40967425
You havent experience the feeling then. 100% isn't

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>>40966873

Its a complete fucking meme backed by literally nothing.

Now that said, porn addiction could be a thing (e.g. can't get it up/cum when banging an actual girl because your mind is so used to the instant gratification and novelty of porn).

Unless porn addiction is affecting your sex life I wouldn't change shit.

I crank one out 3x per day on days Im not with my gf and still have no problem banging her 2x in a night (could easily go more but she gets sore).

For the record - natty, not on any test boosters, take some Tribulis every once and a while but its probably really not needed at all.

>>40966873
it makes you feel like a god among faggots

>>40966873
Just eat your load to retain protein. All problems solved.

>>40967718
do you have one where she is showing her bulge?

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>>40968907
>too much
anything you do too much is a problem moron

>>40967718
>that tilt

absolutely disgusting

>>40979302
the test still only increases every once in a while and goes back down which is pretty much pointless and the effects of that would be insignificant

>>40966901
Its because sex drains your stamina at least thats what they believe.

>>40974147
Perhaps the key isn't to stop fapping, but to fix the underlying problem that causes you to masturbate so that you simply won't have an urge to do it anymore. Instead of attacking head on, you go to the source.

>>40974244
Disgusting pigfucker.
>>40975694
You're almost as bad, don't ever stick your dick in a fat woman.

>>40966873
how¿s that sex is one of the best thing in the world according to every fucker in this forum, but fapping is not? You're just fucking your hand

>>40967901
I'm depressed now after looking at thism

>>40966873
No scientific evidence on the matter. Leave nofap to redditors. No peer reviewed study can show a disadvantage to masturbation so far. They usually list loads of studies related to porn and addiction to it. But that is irrelevant to the benefits they claim.

should I do nofap if I am addicted to bbc porn?

>>40966873
Noporn is where it's at. Porn makes you a beta cuck. If you're gonna wank, use ur imagination for some siq brain gains.

Has anyone on here actually tried nofap for the 90 days or however long you're supposed to do it for? I'm not going to pretend to know what I'm talking about until I've actually experienced it, and I somehow really doubt anyone on here saying it's BS lasted for more than like a week or something

>>40982919
tried it for 30 days and i was the same after

ITT: There absolutely no scientific proof

Until there is no serious research about it, it's just bro-science.

Just do it if you fap too much (=>2 a day)

>>40967520
Stop being weak willed.

>>40966873
I don't buy the nofap meme, but definitely noporn works. I found since two months without porn, and I still jerk off, that sex is better with the last few chicks I've run through.
I dont seem to judge their bodies as harshly and am able to get turned on more visually.
Porn increases your expectations/standard of beauty to a bullshit level. Stay away from the porn jew and your Dick will be harder and you'll get more turned on by average girls.
This is my experience. I had been watching porn daily for years. Now if I jerk it I use my imagination.