If a female-to-male transgender gets fit is "he"

mentally ill

mentally ill

>>40923640
can you f->m without juicing? if yes then that could be considered natty

>left pic
woodberry

>>40923640

>taking roids
>natty

how dumb are you?

>>40923640
so he is now a guy with vagina or what? how does that work? gay relationships and only take it up the ass or straight relationship with strap on?

so many questions

mentally ill

nice gyno

mentally ill

>>40923701
>a guy with vagina
why does this turn me on more than a chick with a cunt

>boipucci and grillpucci all in one
how can cisfags even compete?

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>>40923640
>left was literally perfect tomboymode
WHY IS THIS FUCKING ALLOWED

>>40923769
i agree. left is amazing. right has bigger muscles than me. what the fuck. what's the point in natty lifting seriously when some mentally ill woman can get so big

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>>40923640

>>40923701
No, she's a mentally ill woman on hormones.

>>40923736
>why does this turn me on more than a chick with a cunt
You're really really gay

>>40923736
https://imgur.com/a/MDr2J

which one?

why does she look good either way? the only trans surgery that works is FtM. otherway around only produces mongrels

>>40923769
can you fags just come out of the closet already

>>40924361
left, dat hit to waist ratio, also if she shaved her legs and wore a paper bag

>>40924361
Fat chick with a dick of course, but that's because I hate myself

>>40923640
>needs exogenous testosterone
>needs anormally high levels of testosterone
>XX tissue is more sensitive to androgens than XY tissue
What do you think? It's not transphobia to not let trans people compete, is human phisiology.

>>40924423
Objective concepts are transphobic, Anon.

>>40923640

We truly live in a fucked up world. This outpatient get's legally prescribed testosterone and at the same time MEN who want to become more masculine need to buy chinese bathtub chemicals and will get a fine for possessing steroids.

>>40923701
No. Androgens close and enlongate the lips, lower the ovaries, and extend the clitoris in order to form a fully developed (albeit, small) male gonad. That's how you and I got our penises (and all males), except we had that transition while we were in our mothers' uterus.
I don't know how they do it when they manage to keep a vagina in spite of the HRT, I mean, women using roids can end up with a penis if they're not careful.

>>40923640
NIPPLE ALERT

>>40924471
pics?

asking for a friendo

>>40923986
Looks a lot happier as a woman desu

>>40923640
Still got tiny fem hands

>>40924400
>muh fat chicks
I'll check those fat double dubs, too

>>40923640
Sad thing is - most women would take """him""" over 90% of guys without even thinking about it.

>>40924909
>there are only fat chicks or feminine men
No, you coping homo

>>40924471
Chicks on hormones don't end up with a dick

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>>40924972
He's attractive, yeah. Why are you so insecure?

>>40923640

All of my why on that fucking transformation

>>40924972

He's not that handsome to women. You think he's handsome because he's pretty. He has a very soft and feminine face.
'He' has a pointy little nose, round raised cheekbones, a point little chin, large almond eyes and lucious girly lips. Very good looking but very FEMININE.
If 'he' shaved that scruff off and grew long hair and applied a little makeup (no more than the average girl) 'he' would have a very cute/pretty girls face.

Truly women don't actually like pretty as much as they like masculine. A truly attractive man, to women, has brutish, sharp, square features. He has a wider face, sharper cheekbones, smaller eyes etc...

So many dudes obsess about pretty guys mistaking them for being handsome when they're really just recognising the same features they find attractive in women most of the time. In reality a balding, pudgy but brutishly masculine man will truly soak panties over a pretty little thing like this.

>>40925249
Sure keep pretending to know what women want, whatever makes you feel better.

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>>40923640
They get fucking joocy, bruh

>>40925268

You mean exactly like you are doing?

>>40925279
I'm more qualified than you are.

>>40923640
so hol up

does end progression on the right still have a functioning vagina?

>>40925269
>4 months
Jesus fuck, what's even the point of lifting natty?

>>40925285

Aww man and yet you still get it wrong.

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>>40923640
Left was my ideal tomboy

>>40924471
I really hope this is not true. Fucking disgusting

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>>40923986
no it's more like this

trans aren't going to magically be not trans because they don't have internet access

>>40925324
Coming from the obviously straight dude that claims this
>In reality a balding, pudgy but brutishly masculine man will truly soak panties
That's pretty funny.

>>40925249
>In reality a balding, pudgy but brutishly masculine man will truly soak panties over a pretty little thing like this.
D E L U S I O N

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>>40925331

>>40923640
Still has a feminine face

>>40923640
Whats up with all this degeneracy nowadays? Penis goes in vagina and that's just the way it is.
I would like to rape that bitch until she gets fixed and worship cock

>>40925269
What's this person's name again?

>>40923640
mentally ill

>>40925411

retard

What is with all of these retards calling someone who is trans mentally ill?

Go fuck a cactus you intolerant losers

>>40925431
>>40925443
Kys literal faggots

>>40925454
I hope culture shock kills you one day. Sincerely.

>>40924471
lol. It doesn't form a real dick just a huge clit. Very different too since we piss through our dick whereas females piss hole is very much separate from their clit.

>>40923640
mentally ill

>>40925411
>getting this mad over other peoples problems
Faggot

>>40925443
You're obviously young. You've been taught to accept this hedonism in school and from hollywood. Its not natural, it is an abomination whether you're religious or not.

>inb4 I'm not young, I'm 26
Yeah even worse. You're either a female or a numale cuck if you think this shit is fine.

>>40925521
What do you even care? Why would you give a shit about other peoples life choices regarding their genitalia. Some fag wants to cut his dick off? His fucking problem, I couldn't care less.

>>40925521

>You've been taught to accept this hedonism in school and from hollywood.
>hedonism

ye, they're switching genders because it feels good just like gluttony :^)

>Its not natural, it is an abomination whether you're religious or not.

the entire 'born in the wrong body'-thing happens naturally

why not correct it and improve their lives?

>>40925521
Why argue from nature when more importantly the trans phenomenon is externally unverifiable AND undermines any meaning to male or female.

>>40925597
Fucking add that to the curriculum. These transgenereds live a life of psychotherapy and the suicide rates are astronomical. We should not be enabling them, we actually owe to them not to. Then for hollywood to act like they're some sort of hero? Its just fucking sick.

>>40925653
They kill themselves because of people like you.

Which I'm sure pleases you because you are a sick fuck with no empathy.

>>40925596
>the entire 'born in the wrong body'-thing happens naturally.

You can't appeal to nature. Its not found in nature. You can only appeal to humans. No other animal in the existence of this planet has mutilated its own genitalia and then acted like the opposite sex.

>>40925696
Yeah know, thats not true and you should know that. I don't go around bullying them, I want them to get help. They kill themselves because they're fucked in the head. You enabling them it the real problem, because they ride that slippery slope all the way to the fucking bottom and you cheer them along.

>>40925718
You're absolutely delusional if trans people existential anxiety comes from their supporters and not people like you lambasting them as being mentally ill.

>>40923640
Mentally ill

>>40925707

>You can't appeal to nature. Its not found in nature.

it's been found in humans for a long time

>No other animal in the existence of this planet has mutilated its own genitalia and then acted like the opposite sex.
>mutilated

implying the gender correction-part is even relevant to this

also, there's no mutilation being done. stop throwing in words carrying a bunch of irrelevant sentiment to enforce ur arguments famalam

if there are people born with the wrong somatic gender, and there are, why shouldn't they be allowed gender corrective surgery when it objectively helps out so many of them?

>>40925745
Yeah, I made a perfect point and you cant rebuke it. People like you are having 12 year olds taking hormones before they even know what the fuck is going on. And then you get on your high horse, virtue signalling to all the world to see that you're a nice person. Your heart is in the right place but you're ignoring how incredibly degenerate it is for a boy to want to be a woman. This world needs tough people right now more than ever. Tough love.

>>40925792
What the fuck do you mean? You have absolutely no evidence that this is the case.

>>40925745
That's so fucking ass-backwards even by psychology standards. Every other form of dysphoria is considered by and large abnormal with some form of help recommended, yet gender dysphoria is supposed to be welcomed. We should just accept the guy with BIID because he wants to cut off his leg and be the disabled person he feels like?

It's selective politics being applied to soft science, and you've drunk the kool-aid

>>40925753
>somatic gender
lel

Why is /fit/ so transphobic?

They are just people who are stuck in the wrong body.

Their suicide rate is much higher than the average person because of bullies like you guys.

>>40925826
Show me evidence that the majority of trans suicides are by trans people that are out of the closet, post transition with loving families and support.

>>40925753
Well let me go full red pill on you. This you will instantly deflect and I gaurantee you won't consider it for a second.

Plastic is everywhere. Plastic has xeno-estrogens in it. These estrogens leak into the water supply and into the food its wrapped around. You literally can't escape plastic. These estrogens, no doubt, are having a profound effect on the developmental hormone balances in young boys.

Now obviously this accounts for boys to girls and not girl to boy. But, you can start to see where the problem is when you thinking that the powers that be not be are not very nice people.

Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iJTBv3RV5g

Now fuck off, we're not going to see eye to eye on this.

>>40925745

Their anxiety comes from any number of things and the reason they fucking off themselves is because they eventually realise that going trans didn't solve a damn one of them and now they've irreparably fucked themselves over.

Their are so few legitimate gender dysphorics out there who genuinely have fucked up hormones and genetics that actually benefit from transitioning.

The rest of them, the ones that have exploded in number in the last 10 years, are typically mentally ill young men with heavy porno addictions that gradually convince themselves that their failings as men are due entirely to them actually being women. So they go about fucking up their hormones even more, realise that they've made their pathetic lives worse and then take the only remaining option.

They need shots of testosterone and some good lessons in manning the fuck up and learning to take responsibility in life instead of retreating into some perceived safe haven of femininity thinking that going tranny is going to fix everything. IT DOESN'T.

Enabling them is like giving a recovering alcoholic a litre of vodka. Some people need tough love to sort them the fuck out. Not a judgement free ticket to follow their delusions to their logical end.

>>40925568
No, it's poisoning society with this retarded bullshit

>>40925753
>if there are people born with the wrong somatic gender

Arbitrary decision, you got a brain/body mismatch and you could just as well adjust the brain

The whole trans thing is like installing an AMD driver for an NVIDIA card and instead of changing the driver you throw out your card and buy a new Card.

>>40925105
They end up with a huge clit which looks like a small "flesh" penis. The clitoral hood will transform into something which slightly resembles foreskin etc.

It will neve become a penis though since it can only happen while the child is first developing. You know urinary track formation, testicles etc.

>>40925848
It's just male insecurity, obviously amplified on a board like this.

Ironic considering how homoerotic the whole thing is.

People are genuinely scared of guys like that pictured in OP might be able to be successful with women. And as such this person must be discredited as mentally ill and a societal degenerate.

>>40923640
>hormone treatment
>natty
top kek

>>40925867
>you can start to see where the problem is when you thinking that the powers that be not be are not very nice people.

think I just had an aneurism.

You can start to see where the problem is when you start thinking that the power that be are not nice people.

>>40923640
juicy m8

>>40925868
Sauce please.

>>40925860
Show me evidence that bullying trans people is directly responsible for their suicides, separate from previous depressive or similar mental health issues.

>>40923701
They craft penises out of the vagina or something. Of course blood can't flow into it so they need a pump in the "testicles" to blow it up. It's literally one of the most depressing things I've seen

>>40923640
>Natural gender transition

Nah, he's not natty

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>>40923659
>>40923653
>>40923707
>>40923711
>>40924024
>>40925423
>>40925431
>>40925411
>>40925454
>>40925747

this

>>40925911
Wonderful deflection, you obviously have no legitimate source to back you up. You're the one who made the claim. Back it up faggot.

>>40925911
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19361653.2014.910483#.Vkd78vlViko

Fuck right off.

>>40923640
>hormones
>natty

no.
that thing is mentally fucking ill

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>>40925269

ok how much test is it on?


>that fucking jaw change
>that fucking growth in bicep

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>>40925886
>Ironic considering how homoerotic the whole thing is.
Its not gay to admire hard work and aesthetics.

Also, found the gayboy who lurks for the man porn.

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>>40923640
Ffff, sooo I have a hypothetical question. How does one make that significant of a change going in reverse (mtf)? Lets say the person is already on HRT. What kind of diet and exercise would you do?

>>40925989
>Multiple regression analysis indicated that the exogenous variables of family rejection, social isolation, and loneliness were significant predictors of both transgender and cisgender adolescents’ reported levels of depression, suicidal thinking, and sexual risk behaviors. The implications of these findings are discussed.

It's fucking nothing. On the other hand.

>be mentally ill
>get depressed
seems about right

>>40925860
>>40925960

Not him, but here's one. Scroll down to the "It’s the Mental Illness, Y’all" part.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/07/evidence-the-transgender-suicide-rate-isnt-due-to-discrimination/

>>40925960
It's not a deflection. Look up standard treatment practices for any dysphoric disorder and compare them to that of gender dysphoria. A support system is encouraged for all the disorders but it is not explicitly stated anywhere that suicide rates among those with such disorders are due purely to lack of social support. This is basic clinical psych

>>40925989
It didn't indicate previous mental health issues in the subjects, which was my fucking point. If you had signs of depression before coming out as trans, there is high likelihood the depressive symptoms reoccur after

>>40923640
we don't really need to label these things one way or another. he's ftm trans man who takes testosterone. simple enough.

>>40926099
I've seen this. You really think this is a fucking viable source? This is not a scientific journal article you idiotic faggot.

>>40923640
that amount of muscle mass is around the max for most women natuarly.

>>40926099
>>40926142
Tennis champion Renée Richards, who went from male to "female" in the '70s, wrote, "I would have been better off staying the way I was – a totally intact person[.] ... I don't want anyone to hold me out as an example to follow[.] ... I get a lot of letters from people who are considering having this operation ... and I discourage them all."

>>40926098
>>40926115
It literally says that rejection from family is a significant indicator of suicidal tendencies which is exactly what you twats called into question. Care to come back with a source of your own? Try to find a better one than the Federalist article your mentally handicapped friend presented.

>>40923640
These people need to be shot

>>40926180
Whoa! One piece of anecdotal evidence. That's what science is, definitely.

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>>40925269
Is that /ourguy/ Finn?

A roided mentally ill faggoo

>>40925877
>I decide what's good for everyone else
Carefull with that edge.

>>40926209
why

>>40926313
Why not

>>40926313
Because seeing people live a life different from his makes him question his own and that makes the feefees hurt. And anyone that makes little Jimmy hurt should be shot - obviously. Because the world revolves around Jimmy and he is the one to decide what's good for everybody else (that is what's good for Jimmy).

>>40926208
You know what else is a significant indicator of suicidal tendencies? Being fucking mentally ill in the first place.

Holy shit. You're so desperate to hand wave away a dysphoric disorder as a social problem which is myopic as fuck, and exactly the reason why this is so hotly contested.

Again. I refer you to look up standard treatment plans for any other dysphoric issues and draw the discrepancies between them and how gender dysphoria is "treated"

>>40925304
unless she got a phalloplasty, most likely. 'mones do make it a little weird but ultimately it's still a vagina.

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>>40925344
more like this. suicide rate for post-ops is high.

>>40926393
I could just as easily say you are desperate to hand wave away trans people being accepted for what they are.

>tfw your "sister" wants to do a F->M transformation because she is mentally ill (gender dysphoria)
>take some of her high dose prescription test and get fucking LARGE along with Nolvadex to combat estro sides.

>>40926360
>all this autism over an edgy post
You sound like a butthurt tranny, maybe tumblr would be a better place for you

>>40925344
>implying even 10% of people who are 'trans' actually suffer from gender dysphoria

>>40926473
Really? Because it seems like the mentally ill people in this thread ironically accusing the dude in the OP of being mentally ill seem like the ones in the need of a safe space.

>>40923653
Gender dysphoria is real.

I just bring up the meme that transgendered people are literally mentally ill according to the American Psychiatric Association whenever someone starts talking gender being a choice. When will the mass genocide of these mentally ill liberals commence? The only ones who should walk the face of this Earth are the ones who care about their bodies, physical health, and mental health.

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>>40926488
>the dude in the OP
Lmao
Alright mate you really are a tumblrtard that took a wrong turn and somehow ended up in this shithole.

>>40923640
Shouldn't her nipples be blurred in the second pic?

>>40926488
dude
lel

>>40926501
>>40926509
I'm sorry that I personally offended you.

Please seek a safe space pussies.

>>40926439
Sorry you can't see past the political influence over a "science," but the inconsistency in the limited cases of trannies is too convenient for it to just be an "acceptable thing". I'll refer you back to my statement about people with BIID

>>40926488
tranny fetishists please go

>>40926543
*inconsistencies in the limited treatment cases of trannies

>>40925332
It's not. That's not how it fucking works in the womb.
Fetus have proto genetalia that is neither sexual organ. It either becomes a vagina or a penis depending on the genes or depending on the hormones in the mothers womb.
That's how it is.

The idea that we all start as females comes from the very misogynist or misandrist in the penis envy kind of way. When that idiocy doesn't apply to a fetus that doesn't even express any sexual characteristics yet.

>>40926538
>comes onto 4chan of all places to defend mentally ill degenerates that think cutting their dicks off or nailing a fake dick to their cunts somehow changes their gender and fixes their obvious mental illness
>starts going full retard when somebody calls mentally ill people mentally ill

And I'm the one that needs a safe space

Consider going back to tumblr or reddit maybe then you won't be triggered by people calling a mental illness a mental illness.

If you want to actually help them go become a psychologist and help them like that.

>>40926543
>>40926565
Please show me evidence.

Here's some more for you.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08964289.2015.1028322?src=recsys
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J082v51n03_04?src=recsys
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1605912?query=TOC&

Not that you care at all about facts.

>>40926596
Yes you clearly do. Because you're the one who cares what an individual does to their genitals. Isn't 4chan supposed to have a culture of libertarianism?

>>40925653
The medical pharma industry loves people with a permanent sickness that must always be managed. That's a permanent stream of revenue.

>>40923640

Ftm never look like actual males, just like roiding women with lopped off tits. Much like mtf, they spend hours on their pictures finding the best angle/lighting to make themselves look the most male, but if you put in side by side with an actual man you'd immediately see she isn't one.

>>40924471

They never get dicks, just enlarged and distended clitorises. The synthetic testosterone also causes their vaginas to dry out and their uterus/cervix to atrophy.

>>40923640
>itt so many salty faggots angry that a trans person is getting off their ass and doing what it takes to change their body how they want it

It turns out shitting on other people is actually a lot easier than going to the gym and working out your own insecurities

>>40926623
4chan is s safe space. You can voice your opinion no matter how retarded it is. The only 4chan culture is one of contrarianism.

>>40926625
Hadn't ever thought about it, but they're definitely one group that stands to gain from the situation.

>>40926646
Wrong.

>>40926646
>ike roiding women with lopped off tits
Some of them have beards too.
Honestly, with the fat ones you can't even tell the difference.

>>40925269

FTM can take as much testosterone as they want, but they can never compete with actual men. Why do you think MTF are breaking women's sports records left right and center, but FTM aren't winning shit? Are you fags really jealous over mentally ill lesbians who juice?

>>40925886
>People are genuinely scared of guys like that pictured in OP might be able to be successful with women.

Yeah, women are clamoring to get their hands on some 5'2" mentally ill lesbian's rotting vagina.

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>>40923653
>>40923659
You might be, but it's not what they were asking...

>>40926695
this

>>40923640
Okay
Four things every het male should know about FtMs.

1.Nearly all of them start out as bulldykes or normalish looking gay chicks with serious issues. Cool to hang with because they like guys a ton. Bad to hang with because they act like a bad stereotype of guys and that can get kind of annoying.

2.If they continue with it or after they "fully transition" they will look like very effiminate and slightly off looking and smelling dudes. They ALWAYS end up going from being gay women to either very gay "men" or bisexual/don't care about gender.
Meaning if chad/jamal so much as unzips his fly in their presence they'll be on their knees or back before he's fully unzipped.
Cool to hang with, but don't allow them to think of you as easy dick. Will have to deal with that for as long as you hang with them.

3.For a short snatch(lol)of time after they start transitioning they become hyper sexual, hyper orgasmic, and easy easy easy easy and beyond grateful cock worshipping fuck meat. ALL OF THEM. But that lasts for a very short time and they stop being fuckable very fast. Depending on how bi you're wiling to get just to bust a nut.
Don't do it.

4.Stay the fuck away. No seriously. Men across the globe have said "don't stick your dick in crazy" in multiple languages in multiple societies across time for a reason.

>>40926602
Literally none of those articles addresses my original statement: what is the prevalence between the rates of mental health issues prior to coming out. Find a study that controls for that and I'll consider your point, because history of mental illness is far and away the largest predictor of suicide and suicidal behavior independent of social relations.

You keep dancing around this issue convinced it's one way and not the other

>>40926697
That's what the jews want you to think. They'd rather pump us up for life with expensive and ridiculous SSRI's and anti-psychotics to treat out "mental illness" instead of just transitioning.

>take steroids, estrogens and testosterone
>both have been on the market for so long, the generics are dirt cheap and readily available
>if you are mtf you have to take an anti-testosterone pill which is also generic and cheaper than water
>constantly monitored by endocrinologist who will lecture you if you don't eat healthy and it shows on your bloodwork

But gawd forbid trans people transition, it wouldn't be a win for big pharma at all if we're all drugged up on antidepressants like brave new world and paying 100$ a visit to see a psychiatrist every two weeks to get hypnotized or some shit.

>>40926695

>change their body how they want it

Tranny suicide rate skyrockets after transition. She'll realize that straight girls/gay men aren't interested in roiding women and will hang herself, assuming the synthetic testosterone doesn't give her a stroke/cancer before.

>>40926705

Butthurt tranny girl detected. You'll never be a man.

>>40926711

Testosterone increases obesity rates in women, unsurprisingly massive amount of ftm are obese. They still don't look like men, just like bulldykes with a beard at best.

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>>40925269
>mfw i've been lifting for four months and see that

>>40926740
If they had a working dick, they'd probably do pretty good with girls. Having a pretty good idea how they think.

>>40926770
>Bad to hang with because they act like a bad stereotype of guys and that can get kind of annoying.

Mtf do this too, they act like bimbo stereotypes. A transgender's "identity" is little more than a performance, they're playing at what they think a man or woman is.

>>40926814
Sauce please.

>>40926813
Would be better if we just culled the mentally ill instead

>>40926776
The studies aren't controlling for that because the individual will always be thought to have had gender dysphoria.

>>40926813

"Transitioning" is impossible, sex is a biological reality. A woman can take as much test as she wants and cut off her tits, but she still isn't male in the slightest.

>>40926813
Aren't they usually on ssri's and seeing psychiatrists despite transitioning?

>>40926814
>bulldykes with a beard
Sounds manlier than a lot of dudes I've known. lol

Why don't they treat gender dysphoria instead of transitioning into the gender they will never be? It's mutilation.

>>40923769
>wanting to fuck tomboys
have you tried sleeping with men instead, anon? look just like tomboys but without the mental illness

>>40925344
tree falling in the woods
is it male or female?
doesn't matter, it's a tree

>>40926850
It will become more and more viable as technology advances, whether you like it or not.

>>40926829

FTM can't have a working dick, they're women. Phalloplasty involves having some of her thigh tissue grafted onto her vagina after her uterus and ovaries have been removed, creating a revolting appendage that looks nothing like a dick. Google "ftm phalloplasty" to see what these things look like.

>>40926829
No, they kind of only know how women with gender dysphoria think.

Once they lose the easy in with gay/jailhouse gay loser women by being a woman they'll quickly realize that they're fucked forever in the het dating market.

>>40923640

Why on earth would anyone go from easy mode life as a girl to hard mode life with a blindfold on as a fake male?

Seriously how to ftms cope with being what they are in the world of men? Imagine not only you're a man who has to compete with other men, but you also don't have a penis and balls and you have a girly frame and face?

It's like choosing to be put in one of Jigsaw's traps or something, absolute mad "men" honeslty.

I did know one who styled himself as a bottom gay man, that is the only way I can see it working.

>>40926873

Science is nowhere near being able to edit the genome entirely, bub. And if/when that becomes viable it'll be used to cure disease and help cripples, not so mentally ill women can play at being men.

>>40926856

Trannies are a cash cow, they're dependent on exogenous hormones for life.

>>40926901

>himself as a bottom gay man

So she's a slutty straight woman?

>>40926878
christ, it looks like someone stitched a hot dog to their pelvis

mentally ill

>>40926919

I guess so, "he" didn't look very masculine at all desu. He look like a 12 year old boy.

According to people who knew him before he transitioned he looked exactly the same as a girl. So he wasn't one of these transformations like the OP.

>>40926833
I know. I know EXCEEDINGLY feminine acting "twinks" and MtFs personally.
A lot of that seems to be innate but their need to prove how feminine or masculine they are demands a certain level of overcompensation.
Which many gay and closeted or easy+thirsty individuals fall for and plays into heavily.


It is a farce to be honest. But when a woman does it it's slightly flattering and can be a tad cute..up to a point. And that point is very easy to cross. You have no idea how hard the very idea of dominating and force femininzing a hot tomboyish wannabe masculine chick makes me. I'm talking leather wrapped in diamond pulsating rape boner tier turned on.
But when that line is crossed...
I'm like, dude, get the fuck out here before I drop kick you in the throat.

>>40923653
this

>>40926873
Hopefully advances in technology will focus on things that benefit humanity and our looming overpopulation problems before that

>>40926749
Not an argumend

>>40926980
They're already creating soft plagues to wipe out chunks of the population and make others heavily gay leaning or sterile.

>>40923640

Wonder what dose of test it took to do that

>>40927025
Depends alot on her workout. If she's hitting it hard, just trt doses. If she's still doing retarded girl meme exercises, probably 500mg/wk or more.

my left ribs protrude more than my right
do I have spinal problems?
my entire chest feels lopsided

>>40925416
Bump. I need to know.

>>40926849
You can have other dysphoric issues on top of gender. BPD and gender dysphoria are not mutually exclusive

>>40927038

MtFs are known to take a shit ton of test, they get as much as they want prescribed pretty much.

The amount S/he's on would satisfy the average roider quite well I'd imagine.

>>40927112

FtMs I mean obviously

>>40926960
this

>>40927154
>>40927112
No shit they need more amount of test to achieve the same physique than a male they don't have balls dumbass. You can produce a baseline of testosterone and they can't

>>40927105
Regardless of any of these mental gymnastics you're doing, the fact of the matter is that sex changes lead to better mental health outcomes in trans people.

>>40927185
That's not true.

>>40925269
So much mass shes warping light around her

>>40925753
and there are people that naturally feel like their leg doesnt belong to them and they naturally cut it off. except there is medicine and therapy for that and it works. this is the exact same thing.
It is obvious cutting of their penis isnt helping considering the ENORMOUS postop suicide rates

>>40926142
Well, explain why there doesn't appear to be a correlation between discrimination and suicide in groups. Do you think you are special and aren't fundamentally like other people because you want to chop your dick and testicles off with a rusty knife?

>>40927583
What an argument.
>>40927820
There is, there are plenty of sources displaying that littered in this thread.

>>40927820
I misinterpreted your post. The reason is that other minority groups that are discriminated against are not typically shunned or abandoned by their family.

>>40923640
It's he not "he"

>>40923668
FtM transgender are on T of course, but not on roids.

this is a result of the cold war psych tactics...

create instability in infrastructure and damage family unit by creating emotional instability by destroying the father figure.

No Controlling father figure = cancer degeneracy.

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sooo, while we are on the topic what's a good diet/workout routine for mtf trans? I want my body to be further feminized so I imagine that I need to do stuff to accentuate my hips and legs. Pls advise.

>>40927904
Don't even bother. Attempting to correct them semantically is one of the least productive things you can try to do.

>>40923701
>>40924471
>>40925304
>>40925884
>>40925923
Most female-to-male transgender people keep their vaginas, in part because the surgery that crafts penis replacements is far from being able to produce working penises yet.

Also gender identity is unrelated to sexual orientation so there are straight transmen (FtM attracted to females) and gay transmen (FtM attracted to males).

>>40928103
Yeah...no.
They're all gay.
The "straight ones" are gay but usually just have hangups about their vagina's.
...till the dick comes out of their ass and gets shoved into their cunts. Then they have NO fucking problems..till hours later.

>>40923653
fpbp

I fucked a ftm once, it was weirdly erotic

>>40926857
>men
>no mental illness

Being beta is the same as being mentally ill

>>40923640
have fun playing life on hardmode lmao

>>40926948

>Slutty mentally ill straight woman LARPing as a gay man

Literally asking for AIDS

>>40927904

Testosterone is an anabolic steroid you mong

>>40928103

>straight transmen (FtM attracted to females)

Lesbians, they aren't straight

>and gay transmen (FtM attracted to males).

Straight women, they aren't gay

>>40928103
theyre all mentally ill faggots and you are a retard for enabling their idiotic desires

>>40928716
Literally every "straight" transman is all of a cock in the face away from getting fucked right in the pussy.

There is no such thing as a straight transman.

>>40928762

Does test just make women super hypersexual? I knew one ftm who looked like a girl, but had a weird Homer Simpson voice and she couldn't stop cheating on her girlfriends (usually also ftms who also cheated on her)

>>40925867
tfw i was researchin xenoestrogens and drinking out of glass and shunning plastics long before they were even a spook on the internet

>>40928791
Yup.

>>40928877

>Makes her hypersexual
>But her sex organs start to shut down

This is some Needful Things bullshit

>>40925848

ITT: Mouthbreathers who believe the Trans suicide rate is due to being shunned by people. If you genuinely believe that a mental illness that makes people want to mutilate their body couldn't possibly cause mental instability you are literally fucking stupid.

>>40926857
>fags
> less mental illness than tomboys

Welcome to the internet, please google goatse

>>40927846
That because most minorities aren't mental I'll people who avoid treatment due to the societal encouragement to change sexes instead of trying hormone therapy to fix the issue.

>>40926857

>athletic girl with a tough personality and a good body, vagina, tits

vs

>guy, with a dick and balls

Come out of the closet

>>40927185
Fundamentally untrue. Post op sucide rates are known to be higher than pre op

>>40925848

Slaves had a much lower suicide rate than trannies. They have sky high suicide rates even in Scandinavian countries that cater to their delusions wholeheartedly.

They're just mentally ill.

>>40928022
Get a bunch of fat chicks

Kill them and see their skins together to make a woman suit.

A suicide statistic.

>>40928999
Being a slave was comfy, spend all day playing grabeeass and fishing

>>40923640
juice

oh my gawd i want to fuck a masculine dude with a pussy SO BADLY

>>40928898
Yeah. But as long as they still look female and it's working well while my cock is deep in it i don't give a shit.

>>40929064
Whelp, this thread has gone to shit.
Time for me to leave.

>>40923640
>>40923640
>>40923640
m-mods those are FEMALE NIPPLES

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>>40923640
>can you still be natty if you take so many steroids your gender changes?

>>40925597
>undermines any meaning to male or female.
Lol what fucking meaning

>>40925707
>No other animal in the existence of this planet has mutilated its own genitalia and then acted like the opposite sex.
Lol are you kidding, plenty of animals change sex. Yeah humans can't do it naturally, but you might as well bitch that other animals die of heart attacks like men while humans unnaturally get bypasses and shit. We have no idea what animals would do if they had surgery figured out.

>>40925883
>and you could just as well adjust the brain
Pray tell, how? Because people have been trying for decades, it's not like everyone just leapt to "lol you think you're he opposite gender? okay let's just go with that!"
A means to cure the brain would be ideal for literally everybody, most people don't WANT to get a invasive and extremely public treatments done to their bodies just to feel comfortable, they just want to feel comfortable. If there was a reliable means of achieving that without having to deal with all the social backlash of being trans, then people with dysphoria would FLOCK to it.

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>>40929064
>no ftm bro to lift with and fug him in the lockers afterwards

feels bad

>>40929206

Their eyes are always so feminine. Buck Angel is probably the most "passing" ftm every but her eyes give her away every time. That and their tiny female hands too.

>>40926850
>implying semantics matter when everyone on the street perceives you as male anyway

>even the left pic has better shoulder:hip than me
kill me

>>40926856

Transitioning is treatment, the only one that's been shown to work.

>>40926878

You know this is the exact same surgery given to men who've gotten their dick blown off right?

No way that's the same person. Different belly button, different eyes, longer arms. etc

>>40928990

Show me a study that explicitly covers this.
Pre op suicide rates are practically impossible to quantify to begin with, since many of them will occur without coming out or being publically known as trans to a point where it can be accounted for, nor reliably diagnosed to where they can be accounted for as being legitimately trans as opposed to other issues such as schizophrenia and BPD which sometimes manifest as declarations of being trans.

Also the fact that social backlash sucks, and being trans also inherently sucks. So any given suicide might have been due to pure dysphoria (likely occurring pre-op but possibly post-op too), or social backlash (likely occurring post-op, but possibly pre-op too).
tl;dr there's no surefire way to account for the amount or cause of trans suicides on a large scale.
There is however a way to account for the satisfaction rates of transition in surviving patients, which is incredibly high, vs satisfaction rates of conversation treatments, which is so low that I'm pretty sure the practice is illegal.

>>40929337

How does that change the fact that it's a meat tube created from thigh flesh and not an actual penis?

>>40929320

>that's been shown to work

Nope, suicide rate increases post transition. Plus most trannies have no problem with their sex organs, look at all those pregnant "men".

>>40928990
>>40929425

One more important factor is the fact that for many trans people, transition is a last resort. Meaning many people who would have simply killed themselves in a world wihout transition treatments stick it out to see if it helped, and then killed themselves feeling like they've tried everything (with the motivation for suicide being anything from unresolved dysphoria, social rejection, medical or financial issues as a result of transition, residual emotional issues as a result of prolonged dysphoria, dissatisfaction due to late-in-life transition having lesser results than would have been seen if it had occurred at an earlier age, etc. so again, looking at suicide rates rather than survivor feedback to answer whether transition is a good treatment is fucking stupid, because people kill themselves for any number of reasons and aren't around to explain what did and didn't help them).

>>40929449
>most trannies don't need surgery
>the ones who get surgery have higher suicide rates
>this means all trannydom is bunk, not just that those with extreme dysphoria are fucked
>lets fuck over the ones who are fine with their genitals because of the ones who aren't

Makes sense

>>40929509

>SRS increases suicide rate for those who get it
>Most don't get it so they can have babbies, they just get their tits cut off and start roiding

Not hard to comprehend. If you have "extreme dysphoria", get some mood stabilizers or something, Cutting off the tits of an ftm won't help her in the same way giving an anorexic liposuction won't help them.

>>40929657

If SRS is the problem, why should that impact the people who don't get it?

>>40926993
Sounds like the setup to a scifi original honestly

>>40927185
>any of these mental gymnastics you're doing
The consideration that untreated or improperly treated mental illness yields higher rates of suicide is mental gymnastics to you? Am I being trolled?

Your argument is predicated that gender dysphoria is somehow differentiated from other forms of dysphoria on some arbitrary determination, back up this determination through studies that neglect to consider the issue at hand for similar arbitrary reasons, and further neglect to consider prevalent diagnostic and treatment systems that bear similar symptoms to such dysphoria.

If anyone is pulling gymnastics here, it's you trying to play backwards justification with yourself.

where can i find a FtM so i can get free test from?

>>40930213
>other forms of dysphoria
What other forms of dysphoria?

By definition, someone who develops a mental disorder to the point of cutting up their body and pumping themselves full of outside hormones are about as far from natural as you could possibly get

>>40927185
this is bait right

>>40930355
Specific disorders like body dysmorphic or body integrity identity disorders are considered dysphoric states while more generalized dysphoric states appear as symptoms in multiple mental illnesses such as bipolar, borderline personality, schizophrenia, and so on.

>>40929449
Sauce?

If I get a prescription for test, will I build muscle quicker?

Not a mentally ill woman, just a skellyboi

>>40930213
It makes no difference if pursuing the gender identity that you feel you are is what leads to better outcomes. Look it up, don't trust people in this thread telling you that suicide rates increase post-transition, that is a lie. No one in this thread has posted multiple scientific studies that have found this.

>>40930458
>better outcomes
For whom? The individual in question? That's a dangerous precedence if we can choose who does and doesn't receive mental health treatment for illnesses simply because of growing popularity

>>40930531
Uhh,yes, better outcomes for the person being treated. What else could I have meant?

>>40930546
You're advocating for a certain social protocol, so you could have easily been referring to better outcomes for social groups as a whole

>>40929004
Holy shit.

Chill out, that shit is gonna give me nightmares

>>40930572
I'm not really advocating a social protocol, I'm more perplexed about why most people here care so much about what an individual does to their body if studies show that it will help them be more comfortable with themselves. The denial of science and advocacy of fake or non-existing science in this thread is really disturbing, especially on /fit/ in which a foundation is on trusting science to tell you something about nutrition and healthy living.

>>40925344
it's over. i'm tired of this ride.
i hung out with my older brother the other day and he was bitching about iron fist not being asian, said "it is time" for diversity. i don't know where else to go for my lazy internet time. this progressive bullshit is everywhere. why do so many stupid people decide to voice their opinions.

>>40930644
There's a big difference between bullshit virtue signaling and someone with a condition seeking a remedy to it.

No one should give a shit what race Iron Fist is, I agree with you. But for people with a condition, their happiness should not be decided by someone else that has never met them or spoken with anyone like them but is just uncomfortable with the idea of them.

These are different issues. It has nothing to do with being politically correct.

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>>40926410
This.
I am worried about my cousin who thinks he is trans when he is clearly a male who has been sucked into neo progressivism and been made to feel ashamed of his male body and masculinity.
In reconnecting with him, i was hoping to be a positive male influence, but i am too late. He will probably ruin his life trying to transition and could kill himself.

F E E L S B A D M A N

>>40930584

...Have you not seen Silence of the Lambs?

>>40930627
>especially on /fit/ in which a foundation is on trusting science to tell you something about nutrition and healthy living.
Buddy this place is broscience central
It's no surprise that a bunch of sexually frustrated broscientists with inferiority complexes and body dysmorphia hate trannies

>>40930627
Collecting statistics on someone's feels and observing biological reactions to changes in diet and certain forms of exercise are insanely incomparable. That's like saying people that spray weed killer want to cut down rain forests because they hate plants

>>40930401

What do any of these have to do with each other though? Dysphoria is just a symptom attached to different disorders that have different causes and different treatments.
The treatment of a brain tumour and treatment of blunt force trauma will not be the same, even if they both produce headaches.

>>40930757

If you were ever out in the real world among average people you would not find a lot of tranny love

it will never not be bizarre

>>40930758
Obviously social science is much more complicated and scientists themselves will be the first to admit that and that they don't have all of the answers. But at least there is a clear outcome in the literature across many different types of journals, from psychology to medicine. People ITT arguing against sex changes have not once posted a scientific article of their own, let alone several painting a picture of consensus.

>>40930814
Dysphoria is often a symptom, but in some cases it is the abnormal mental state in question (again, see BIID and BDD), but we don't submit to the will of the person with BIID to amputate a limb to "be on the outside how they feel on the inside". And most mental illnesses that do not have a severe physical brain abnormality behind them are treated in similar fashions through through certain therapies and drugs, pretty much none of which involve administration of exogenous hormones

>>40930834
>social science
>scientists
keep the discussion civil, please

>>40930822

I don't think I've ever met someone who, when trannies came up in conversation, didn't simply say some variation of "I don't fucking get it, but whatever makes them happy."
Normal people have better shit to worry about than what someone does with their own body.
Speaking off which, add "extreme concern over what other people do with their own bodies (wrong routine, wrong fitness discipline, wrong form, wrong meme diet, to cardio or not to cardio, obesity, sloth, snap city, etc)" to the list of obvious reasons /fit/ would predictably have an irrational hatred of trannies.

>>40930865
>we don't submit to the will of the person with BIID to amputate a limb to "be on the outside how they feel on the inside".
Why not? Do we have solid reason as to why that wouldn't work, or a preferable non-surgical method that works better? Unless there's a concrete reason we don't do that, it really offers nothing to the discussion, and boils down to "if I don't get any candy, Johnny shouldn't either."
Because in the case of gender dysphoria, non-transition methods have been tried for many years with no promising results, while transition comes out as a clear winner, if not perfect.

And on BDD, while there are clear reasons that treatment cannot involve giving a patient their desired body (both because its unsustainably unhealthy, but also because it simply doesn't exist - they'll see a warped version of themselves no matter what), in the case of anorexia nervous there is actually recent research to suggest that a hands off approach is the best, giving control to the patient as a means of satisfying the feeling of needing control which commonly fuels their disordered eating.

>And most mental illnesses that do not have a severe physical brain abnormality
See trans brain scan studies.

>come from lgbt to talk about gains
>confused for a moment I didn't actually leave

I'll never understand people getting mad at other people doing whatever they want to their bodies. If someone wants to be referred to with he/him pronouns and change their body so they hate themselves a little less, go for it. I guess I'm just too much of an empathetic faggot.

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>>40923640
>"don't browse /fit/, they'll turn you gay"
>this first thread I see

>>40930973
>both because its unsustainably unhealthy, but also because it simply doesn't exist - they'll see a warped version of themselves no matter wha
Where are the studies that indicate this? How is this only valid one way and not the other? We can't give trannies the body of the opposite sex any more than we can give the guy trying to be a fucking space marine his body. It's just an arbitrary line in the sand separating the two justified by "I guess it works enough"

Clinical psychology of old had lots of shitty methods of treatment that were employed because they were "better than nothing" as your reasoning for transitioning stands.

>>40931043

Man, they're my two main boards and I get confused about which one I'm on fucking constantly.

>>40931043

Pushing for social acceptance involves the added result of teaching it to children as factual and acceptable. Many parents don't like that idea. And it's not completely unfounded, children are dumb and impressionable and yesterday's tomboy going through a phase could become today's "I really think I'm a boy and I want hormones now".

>>40931069
You too, huh? Which letter are you from the list?

>>40925935

The shitlslamic one would have killed most of them

>>40926076
>How does one make that significant of a change going in reverse (mtf)? Lets say the person is already on HRT. What kind of diet and exercise would you do?

My diet would consist of chewing bullets until the pain of making such a stupid decision went away.

>>40931061
>Where are the studies that indicate this?
On the first point, basic biology. On the second, I'm phoneposting and can't really look shit up easily, but, to offer what's admittedly a bit of a cheap copout, it's just pretty fucking obvious. Pretty much the whole basis of those sort of disorders is an issue with self-perception, there's a reason people feel fat when they're walking skeletons and feel like skeletons when they're weird ass looking bodybuilders.
This isn't the case with trannies, they just transition and feel fine. They're not the ones freaking out about their chromosomes, there's no never-ending battle of being 'not wo/man enough,' like there is with BDD.

>Clinical psychology of old had lots of shitty methods of treatment that were employed because they were "better than nothing" as your reasoning for transitioning stands.
We're not living in some magical future, son, that's still how it's done, and we're learning new shit every day. And we'll slowly understand more with the more data we collect. We're all just guinea pigs in the end, that'll never change.

>>40931061
The guy in OP is convincing enough to be mistaken for a man by someone that doesn't know. Genital prothesis is not that advanced yet but many keep their vaginas and work around it later when it comes to romance. These people just want others to think of them how they feel and if doing testosterone therapy does that for them and results in someone looking like they do in OP, why the fuck do you care?

>>40931076
And? Who gives a shit? Free and open access to all information without judgment is what matters. Maybe it's a phase, maybe not. Self-expression should be explored, not suppressed. We're here for a short time, being bitter fucks not allowing people to find themselves isn't worth the energy. Work on yourself, not on others. That's how it should be.

>>40931133
>This isn't the case with trannies, they just transition and feel fine. They're not the ones freaking out about their chromosomes, there's no never-ending battle of being 'not wo/man enough,' like there is with BDD.

what

>>40931147
Social conversatives and right wing traditionalists have pushed the "think of the children!" Argument for decades. Never changes.

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is he natty or juicy?

The correct term is gassed.

>>40931155

What's confusing you?
People with Body Dysmorphic Disorder have a problem with self perception, where no matter how, eg, muscular they get, they always feel like they're not doing enough and are essentially chasing a carrot on a stick. Indulging their desires is simply impossible.
With trannies, their desires are simply to resemble and live as the opposite sex, and for many this is perfectly achievable with HRT. There's no never ending obsession with achieving some impossible height of maleness or femaleness. There's a clear point of "that's good enough, now I can get on with my life withhout this issue hanging over me anymore."

>>40931249
Especially when the line they want to reach is so clearly delineated by the point where people start referring to them by the pronoun they want to be referred to.
The guy in the OP is probably pretty damn happy with his testosterone therapy. He's in good shape, looks like a pretty convincing dude and probably has people referring to him as "he" without having to ask.
It's different for people with other dysmorphias because people around them don't consistently comment on it.

>>40931249
>>40931286
but that's totally wrong

a lot of people don't end up passing as well as him, and others have anxiety regarding whether or not people are just humoring them. sex dysphoria works exactly the same way as any other body dysmorphia, and to imply that the problem is just a matter of LOOKING like the opposite sex also fails to factor in things like dysmorphia revolving around biological functions of the opposite sex, genitalia, etc.

it's just bizarre to me that you think that "the line they want to reach" is just doing a convincing job of looking like the opposite sex. an anorexic person might constantly be told they really need to eat and that they're super skinny, but that won't stop them from feeling like they still haven't made it

>>40925269
This ugly girl has posted here looking for attention i forgot her name

>>40931514

That's the case for some. Not all, not even most.

>>40923769
>tfw thicc tomboy wife

Except she can cook, and she wears dresses once in a blue moon. Pegging is godtier.

>>40931603
generally feeling better is a result of passing, sure, but there's always going to be those spikes of dysphoria regarding the fact that they are "not wo/man enough" and that their chromosomes are wrong and that modern science does not currently have a way of moving them from the body they were born with into a body that is the sex their brain feels it ought to be. titty skittles and T are better than nothing, but just looking like the opposite sex is more of a compromise than an actual desire for people who legitimately have sex dysmorphia

>>40931705

That doesn't make it comparable to BDD, nor does it suggest transition is anything but the best treatment currenty available. No one ever said it was perfect.
And yes, some trans people will experience this sort of thing, but not all do. And for many who do, it's little different from general insecurity, as opposed to full on dysphoria comparable to an untreated state.

>>40931786
wasn't arguing that it wasn't the best treatment currently available, just that "they just transition and feel fine" is a bizarre assertion. makes it sound like hormone treatments are a cure that solves the problem rather than a treatment that helps to alleviate the dysphoria. sorta wondering if you're approaching this from more of a MtF perspective than FtM like in OP's pic since you seem to not think the thing about having the wrong sex organs is much of a problem compared to general looks.

>>40923640
not natty, but his test intake is restricted by his endocrinologist and closely monitored. building a baseline of male-level test isn't juicing, just like a non-trans guy with low test isn't juicing if he takes enough to bring him up to normal levels.

moralfags on both sides are closed-minded, though. it doesn't matter if someone is "really" male or "really" female, what matters is the human brain can imagine ourselves as being capable of more than we can currently achieve. i think it's awesome that people can choose their gender role, and that there are medical ways to simulate the biology they want, regardless of how "real" it is. humans in general are driven to improve, change, adapt, and innovate. refusing to allow a small portion of people to get creative with their gender is stupid. we should be encouraging people who are brave or crazy enough to experiment and push the boundaries of what's possible.

there are amputees out there with robotic prosthetics controlled by their brains, people plotting trips to outer space even though we'll probably never colonize anywhere beyond earth in any of our lifetimes, and scientists trying to create three-parent offspring.

and i for one welcome our future multi-parent futa cyborg space-faring overlords.

>>40931628
>Pegging is godtier.
underrated assertion

>>40931860
>underrated insertion

>>40931845

You're missing the context of the discussion. I didn't say that people transition and everything's fine, I said that allowing someone to transition as treatment for gender dysphoria is not comparable to surgically enhancing someone with BDD.

>>40931875
perfectly aware of the context, I just found the snippet I quoted to be worded poorly and felt an autistic need to jump in just in case you genuinely thought HRT actually totally fixes things :^)

>>40929673
because the problem is that they're mentally ill, it makes it worse because you don't treat mental illness by pumping somebody full of chemicals and cutting their dicks off or going Buffalo Bill and making a dick out of a meatsuit

>>40923769
Tomboys are for
>Getting in fights with her
>Playing sports with her
>Watching kung-fu movies with her and trying to copy the moves
>Teasing her and laughing when she gets mad and pouts
>Letting her pin you so you can feel her body pressed against yours
>Flipping her back over so that you can stare into each other's eyes
>Protecting her from bullies even though you know she can handle herself
>Walking home with her at sunset after a long day of running around and getting into trouble
>Cheering her on and always supporting her, win or lose
>Throwing her a victory barbeque where you make all her favorite foods
>Massaging her legs, shoulders, and back
>Holding her close and telling her you love her
>Reassuring her that she is the most beautiful girl in the world when she gets jealous of the more feminine girls
>Accepting all of her girlish sensibilities, no matter how much she hates you finding out about them
>Patting her head
>Getting caught in the rain during a cross country run and having to huddle together with her under an abandoned bus stop waiting for it to pass
>Holding her hand in public
>Making her try on cute dresses when you're out on a date even though you know she'll never buy one
>Buying her sexy black lace lingerie, only for her to wear spats over them
>Tracing your finger over the tanlines she got during the summer and feeling how warm her skin is
>Having her jump into your arms and kiss you after spending time apart over vacation
>Introducing her to your parents
>Marriage
>Carrying her over the threshold of your new home to start a life together while she punches you in the shoulder and pouts that she can walk just fine herself
>Gently laying her down on the bed
>Whispering into her ear how much she means to you while caressing her toned body
>Spending an entire night making passionate love to each other
>Raising a new generation of tomboys with
>Loving unconditionally as you grow old together

>>40931955

That doesn't answer my question at all.

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>>40925848
I'm not transphobic, i'm truscum

>>40928197
>Be me
>Have stable relationship with a qt ftm >androgynous no t or surgery.
>Been going for ten months long distance
>Start meeting again.
>Fucked him senseless.
>Two days later he is having problems with mental health and gender identity.
>He decides to end relationship.
>Feelsbadman.jpg

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>Transitioning into a dickless manlet

>"mentally ill trannies! get help you fucking degenerate scum!!"
>pursue therapy and get approved for the current most successful treatment
>"no! thats the wrong kind of help you fucking freak!"

>>40931868
>underrated ass-insertion

>>40926770
>"He who buggers a fire burns their penis"

All of yall just pissed cus we cuntboys get legal T scripts and cute faces

>>40925269
The off center belly button is pissing me off

>>40925269
shitty photoshop, look at right elbow and tricep

>>40924471
Sure, but you have to go back to your mommy's belly.

>>40925443

> What is with all of these retards calling someone who is trans mentally ill?

Define Mental Illness: Any of various conditions characterized by impairment of an individual's normal cognitive, emotional, or behavioral functioning, and caused by social, psychological, biochemical, genetic, or other factors, such as infection or head trauma.

"Impairment of an individual's normal cognitive, emotional, or behavioral functioning"
"Caused by social, psychological, biochemical, genetic, or other factors"

Anon, trans people fit the definition of mental illness.

In addition, suicide rates of trangender people are absurd both pre and post op. The fact is, they have a condition and it needs to be treated. I'm all for helping trans people get treatment, but calling Trans people "Normal" or treating them like the gender they identify as is DEMONSTRABLY NOT THE SOLUTION.

> Go fuck a cactus you intolerant losers

Telling the truth isn't intolerance.

>>40925568

I care about Trans people because they've got a mental illness that's driving them to commit suicide at absurd rates. Something needs to be done to help these people; but treating them like the gender they claim to identify as or giving them hormone treatment isn't the solution.

>>40923653
>>40923659
natty mentally ill or juicy mentally ill?

>>40933857
Find a source proving that treating them as the gender they identify as is as you say "demonstrably" not the solution.

>>40933857
>I'm all for helping trans people get treatment,
Transition is the only recognised treatment.

>>40933865

Study showing that trans adolescents who have supportive families/peers and go through puberty suppression and gender reassignment (thus skipping over soul-destroying years of confused, isolated and dysphoric young adulthood that turn so many trannies insane) have psychological/emotional outcomes similar to general population counterparts.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

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>>40923640