Who /keto/ here? Im about a month in and i cant get over how...."stable"

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>> low carb
> bacon
> sausage

>>40872393
What point are you trying to make?

>>40872393
What do you mean by this?

>>40872393
Bacon and sausage have no carbs what are you saying

I'm not keto but I try to restrict carbs to under 50g per day and focus on high fat high protein foods. I'm doing IF 16/8 and feel the same as you, very stable and content. Can't really explain it but yeah, reducing my carbs and eating more consciously has really helped me all around.

>>40872355
But why put yourself through the hell of ketogenesis for no reason OP?

>As long as you are on a calories deficit it doesn't particularly matter if you eat a lot of carbs or not
>you may lose 'weight' faster but it's just because you don't hold as much water or bloat because no carbs

>>40872467
both of these points are incorrect

>>40872501
They aren't tho

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>>40872538

>>40872538
Yes they are. 2,000 calories of carbs is going to affect your body and your body fat differently that 2,000 calories of protein or fats.

>>40872550
You'll still lose weight eating 2k calories regardless if your TDEE is 2500.

>>40872550

Show your work.

I'm thinking about trying it. I mentioned to a friend of mine that I'm not much of a morning person and he recommended eating a fatty breakfast. Since I've started doing that I tend to get up earlier and feel happier and more energetic.

I don't know that there's a physiological reason for that, I just love eggs and bacon and look forward to eating that instead of the shitty oats and blueberries that I was having. I haven't missed a run or a workout in a month because I'm actually looking forward to breakfast for a change. I don't know about all the supposed benefits of keto, but having a diet that's high and fat sounds awesome.

>>40872669
OP here, the lack of morning grog is a real treat. I pretty well hop out of bed now.

>>40872355
low carb is only good for doing cardio I can run 40 min on keto and 20 on normal diet but bad for lifting and brain power

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>>40872669

>I just love eggs and bacon and look forward to eating that instead of the shitty oats and blueberries that I was having

>>40872810
Dude ketosis preserves way more muscle tissue thanks to the excess fat

>>40872810
>low carb is only good for doing cardio
No, that's not what it's good for. Sure, it works. But most professionals who need a lot of endurance eat a lot of carbs for energy.

>>40873025
Except that low-fat diets are better at keeping LBM while losing fat. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4033492/

>>40872810

>I can run 40 min on keto and 20 on normal diet

What's your normal diet like if keto doubles your endurance?

>>40872393
What did he mean by this

>>40872972
What's wrong? You like oats or something?

>>40873395
I belive the feel he was try to pass along was the shock of seeing such a post on fit
Fit who loves oatz and squatz

>>40873395

>trading a healthy breakfast of oats and blueberries for a plate of processed meat and eggs

>>40873291
black bread, candy, KFC
keto: pork, fish, eggs, walnuts

>>40872355
Yeah, it's almost like grains aren't meant to be the foundation of the human diet like dietitians keep telling us.

>>40872355
Anyone that even slightly considers himself fit should never be low carb.

If you just want to be low energy and look decent then that's OK though.

>>40873496
but humans ate them for the longest time

>>40872397
>>40872401
>>40873331
I think he's just retarded.

>>40873520
Why is low carb high fat bad for me anon ?

>>40873520
But inflammation sucks bro

>>40873107
Confront any paleo, Keto, or meme diet advocate with actual peer reviewed studies and they literally just ignore it.

This is why the nutrition industry is filled with so much misinformation.

>>40873462
>thinks low carb only good for cardio
>His regular diet is garbage

Lol

>>40873526
If you could pack all of human history into one calendar year, we've only been farming and eating grains since yesterday. We've only been eating processed vegetable oils since 10 minutes ago.

Why the fuck keto.
Just why.
It's so fucking unnecessary

>>40873526
We ate meat and veggies for wayyyy longer than grains.

>>40873663
Tired of being hungry all the time bro

>>40873462

What's black bread?

>>40873659
>>40873691

d-delet...

p-paleo fags when will they learn...

>>40873107
>>40873601

Uh oh, it seems neither of you understood that study. It doesn't say low fat is better than than low carb. It says that they are both effective because of the increase in protein.

>>40873496

Atleast not refined grains. People are told to eat whole grains like oats and brown rice, not white bread or flour baked into cakes and pastries.

>>40873691
ppl collected and ate grains well before it was cultivate learn some history

My fat diabetic dad has been doing keto for the past couple months. He has lost about 30 pounds and has reduced his insulin usage drastically

Keto has its uses, but its not the miracle go to diet

I started keto even did not have any weight to lose ,
This shit is crazy ,
I NEVER Fart ,
really really rarely burp ,
my shit doesn't need wipping ( still do it but it's always white as a maiden's ass )

I can go retarded amount of time without eating and I doesn't even feel the "empty"/ " sharp" feeling in my stomach .

>>40873717
aka whole grain bread

>>40873726
Dude the fact is that Keto is generally unnecessary for losing weight. I'm tired of people implying it's MUCH more effective than just being at a deficit because it's not.

>>40872355
Enjoy your type 1 carcinogens op.

>>40873741
How the fuck can you be less hungry without carbs is the thing I'm trying to understand here.

>>40873750
wor me it worked keto diet I can run 40 min, normal diet only 20min

>>40873107
Did you only read the part of that study that supported your claim? And can you show me where it definitively backs up what you've said?

>>40873787
n=1

Are you seriously implying that your own anecdotal results are grounds for claiming Keto is a good diet?

Yeah been on keto for like 3 weeks now. Dropped 8 pounds already. I don't really have cravings anymore. The only thing I crave is the peanut butter I eat as both macros and a dessert. I fucking love peanut butter, It's the only carb I eat so naturally I have some trouble with craving it but it's not terrible.

I shit like once every 3 days and feel so different like my brains clear. Carbs are the devil dudes, unless youre gonna work your brains out one day there's literally no reason for carbs

>>40872393
wtf kind of bacon and sausage are you eating?

>>40873774
well it's the only point of keto , my body become super efficient at using the fat on my body , it rarely need outsiders except for micro-nutriments .

>>40873774
Fat is a denser and less inflammatory energy source, you don't get the blood sugar spikes and crashes associated with glucose.

>>40873774
Carbs are basically sugar in your body, cut sugar out your body uses your fat stores for energy.
Anon if you're above 4% bodyfat you can literally not eat with vitamins and broth for weeks or longer. Just check out dietdoctor

>>40873812

>I shit like once every 3 days
> Carbs are the devil dudes

Maybe if you ate more carbs (fiber) you could have regular bowel movements

>>40873774
Because carbs, more than any other macro, do not provide long-term satiety. Avoiding them allows you to escape the perpetual rise-and-fall of your glycemic index and the resulting cravings and lethargy

>>40873829

>Fat is a denser and less inflammatory energy source

How inflammatory is a sweet potato compared to a slice of bacon?

>>40873844
You can get a huge amount of fiber and still keep carbs low ( net carbs )

>>40873859
Cmon man that's processed meat. That's like comparing turkey breast to concentrated OJ

>>40873833

>Carbs are basically sugar in your body, cut sugar out your body uses your fat stores for energy.

I don't get how this retard logic has caught on so well.

If you start eating fat instead of sugar.... you use the fat you ate as energy. You don't eat fat and then your body ignores it and starts using your stored body fat immediately. Where the fuck do you think the fat you ate goes? If you eat at a deficit, whether it's mostly fat or carb, you lose weight.

>>40873844
When you eat mostly fat you don't need to shit much mr. phd

>>40873874

It's fair game from what I've seen in keto threads. Bacon's like the staple food of ketogenic diets.

>>40873592
>>40873550
I didn't say it was bad for you, just that it's impossible for athletes or even hobbyist athletes.

If you just want flat muscles and a six pack that makes girls look at you then keto is fine for that.

I am an amateur boxer and do a lot of Spartan race type of shit so keto is stupid for me.

>>40873857
Or you could just eat carbs that don't spike insulin levels like complex carbs?

I don't care if you dumbfucks do Keto, if you enjoy less strength, shitty brain function, low fiber diets that is fine. Just stop preaching like it's more effective than just eating less, Jesus the amount of autismo ITT is ridiculous

>>40873876
>he still thinks calories in calories out is true
oh ok anon. im the retard

>>40873812
>Dropped 8 pounds of water already

FTFY

Did keto for a month. Lost about 10lbs water weight in first 14 days. After that it just stalled. Didn't feel a whole lot weaker but there was no explosive energy at all. Every rep had to be ground out. Probably won't bother with it again.

>>40873876
Try going on 2 different 1200 KCals ( for someone with a TDEE of maybe 2800) diet ,

Both fueled to the brim with micro


In one you'll make sure to hard spike your insulin with 100KCals of sugar every 2 hours.

During the other you'll do the same with 100 KCals of fat .


Now imagine that even " Low Gi food" are at least 40% as "insulin spiking" as "very high Gi food"

>>40873919
Hahaha yeah, I don't understand why people still believe that bowl of shit. Losing weight is not that simple.

>>40873941
I m just wondering how is glucose metabolized so differently from keton bodies

>>40873908

Keto, kale and stronglifts are the three current fitness fads that piss me off the most

>>40873948

That doesn't answer my question, and stop using phrases you don't understand like "insulin spiking"

>>40873941
Forgot to say, I ended up with angina and had to go to hospital. They said my cholesterol was way above normal. So much for all the 'healthy' fats I was having.

>>40873980
Yeah man, and I thought the "muscle confusion" meme was bad

>>40873959
>Spike your insulin but don't eat a a huge amount of kcals
>Body burn the sugar quickly but due to the insulin he is then unable to process fat .
>Meaning that instead of consuming 200 kcals of energy for your workout your body will only be able to make you use 100 kcals .

>>40874000
And NO , you're not "breaking muh law " , you'll just be unable to function at your full potential , .

>>40874000
Please cite sources*

>>40873948

http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(15)00350-2

>>40874000
same amount of work done with half the calories
>we braking laws of fiziks here boys

>>40874012
Lmao this is too good

>he's burning twice as many calories as regular human bean

>>40874000
OMG boYs he's done it, his body has broken the laws of physics

>transcendent

>>40874040
>>40874035
Of courses those values are used as examples you retard ,

YOu'll not produce the same amount of work you retard ,

In the carb restricted one you'll be stronger , faster , and have an overall great workout .

In the other you'll be just a lethargic piece of shit that half ass his lift .

>>40872810
If you are an adult male and cannot run more than 20 minutes due to anything other than a broken leg, you have no business offering fitness advice

Running 20 minutes isn't being fit. It's being able to function at a basic level. A man should be able to push 1 hour of running no problem with less than a week of build up

>>40874074
>In the carb restricted one you'll be stronger , faster , and have an overall great workout .

And this will happen BECAUSE your body WILL be able to use your stored CALORIES

>>40874084
depends how fast the running is

>>40872413
>Bacon and sausage have no carbs
exactly

>low carb
>no carbs

>>40873774
Carbs are 4 kCal per gram
Fats are 9 kCal per gram

Fats take longer to digest in the body because they are more calorically dense so they keep you feeling fuller for longer. And also because carb inclusive diets can cause some people to experience blood glucose spikes which lead to cravings/hunger.

>>40874074
>In the carb restricted one you'll be stronger , faster , and have an overall great workout .

Holy shit, how retard are u m8? Does your car run without petrol too?

>>40873908
The anon i replied to asked why u feel less hungry when not eating carbs. It's because they don't keep u satiated as long as fats or protein.

Feel free to keep ranting about keto though, all that sugar sure does work wonders getting u carbfags hyped up :^)

>>40873810
You are both thinking of his logic wrong. It's not that it's evidence that Keto will necessarily double your endurance, but I imagine his candy and KFC diet halves his normal endurance.

>>40874118
Enjoy losing all of your strength gains and having flat muscles due to no carbs :^)

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>>40874117
A Petrol car can ONLY run on petrol

Now I magine a cars that could run on Petrol or potatoes , BUT if you input potatoes in the tank it'll be forced to use potatoes first and then it'll be unable to use the petrol for 2 hours .

But you'll need to drive for 3 hours and only added enough potatoes for an 1 hours ride .

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>>40874150
Now imagine that instead of being 100% petrol use or 100% potatoes use , it's a spectrum that favor potatoes .


This may be my best food analogy

>>40873876
>>40873908
The anti-keto people always lose their shit and start calling names, so I'm inclined to think that YOU'RE the angry autists

You spent ~1 month at the start of your fitness journey browsing the sticky and half-ass reading about fitness, and since autists are afraid of change you vehemently fight - all the way to angry namecalling - anyone who suggests a change to what you think you know

Fuckit I'm trying keto

>>40873898
>I am an amateur boxer and do a lot of Spartan race type of shit so keto is stupid for me.


I completed a 3 month infantry officer course on keto. And that shit is way harder than any spartan race, because it lasts 3 months and you are sleep deprived for half of it

I performed better than most of the other candidates and always had more energy than the rest of the course. Plus when people were snapping at eachother due to the stress, my mood was even and relaxed

>>40874084
i can jog at a good pace for about 3 minutes :D

>>40873983
>I don't understand it, so others can't either
You're just dumb and angry

>>40874191

I used the phrase retarded but I also asked a valid and genuine question. Keto shills always respond with anecdotes or the whatever science-sounding thing they made up in their head to explain how keto is some kind of magic.

Where does the fat you eat go? I've seen it claimed way too often that keto somehow bypasses ingested fat and goes straight to using body fat stores, and that calorie intake doesn't matter.

>>40874191
Have fun

I'm gonna keep eating carbs and losing weight cause it's literally just as effective.

>>40874263

Explain it then, using proper citations.

>>40872355
Enjoy your heart attack

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>>40874150
>>40874173
Burning petrol is your goal , your weight lose journey ( the Kcals out THAT matters )

If you're a potatoes cars enthusiast but don't really add enough potatoes you'll prevent your Cars to go forward because you'll be in that state of limbo during which your cars wait for the petrol system to go back on and go forward .


100 Petrol added = 100 hours at 1 km/h of petro-Km travelled + 250 from the petrol that was in your tank .

100 potatoes added = 100 hours at 1 km/h of potatoes-Km travelled + 100 hours at 0/Kmh while waiting for the petrol system to go back on .


I'm a genius

>>40874191
Dude the sticky advocates and states that calories in vs calories out is king. Keto isn't going to change that, I'm sorry but it's true.

>>40873876
>you don't eat fat and then your body ignores it and burns body fat

No but if you fasted and then ate 100 kCal of fat, followed by burning 200 calories, that extra 100 kCal is coming from body fat because a keto diet caused your body to adjust to burn fat over other sources

Like if you were fasted and ate 100 kCal of carbs, and then burned 200 calories you'd most likely feel gassed earlier and not be at your full potential

>>40874309
You are literally making up science to suit your needs, this doesn't even warrant a response.

>>40874319
Exactly , if you insulin spike yourself but eat low kcals , you'll be unable to withdraw calories from your body , and you just won't perform well .

>>40874319
You'll feel just as shitty eating just fats

>>40874191
>>40874291
Keto has other benefits besides basic calorie restriction. It helps with THAT because fat makes you feel more full for longer, and also it helps with blood glucose regulation and such.

>>40874278
People who are claiming that are misinterpreting how the diet works, or you're misinterpreting what they said, whatever. Apples to oranges. I explained it here a bit >>40874319

>>40873729
not him but:
in areas where meat was scarce and paleo ppl were forced to live on grains and root etc. they were with worn teeth and died much younger according to an anthropological study I have read

paleo is legit

>>40874363
Explain, then. Please

>>40874361
You are autism incarnate.

>impossible to burn calories just because bloodsurgar is spiked
>body just works this way because he said so

>>40874309
>>40874319
>>40874335
ppl high carb is generally better 4 lifting
high fat is better for weight los(true your body uses less energy on brain and slow twitching muscle but spends a lot more on other muscles)

>>40874368

> I explained it here a bit >>40874319

Now do it with actual scientific citations so it doesn't look like broscience you're making up.

>>40874314
>2017
>falling for the sticky meme

shiggy digggy

>>40874382
Simple, eat at a deficit, you'll feel shitty no matter what because you are literally starving your body.

>>40874388
No, when your body burns through those 100 calories of carbs that you ate, it will start looking for more but there won't be any (because that's all you gave it) so you'll get gassed earlier as opposed to burning 100 calories of dietary fat, running out of that and your body essentially going "oh, look at this body fat that I've stored that I can use now since I've adjusted to process it"

>>40874397
Holy shit dude no it isn't.

>500 calories deficit on low carb or not you will lose, for the most part, the same amount of weight. The difference is negligible, you have not discovered the holy grail

>>40874401
Now you aren't even trying friend :^)

>>40874419
Exactly , in the first situation you'll be forced to breath much faster to increase oxidation of fat cells , it'll be strenuous and you'll feel like shit , and you body may even try to use Glugocenic amino acid .

>>40874419
There is no helping you, have fun living in a meme diet world

>>40874428
Keto helps regulate hunger tho, which helps some people and makes it easier for them to maintain a deficit. Like when I include carbs in my diet I tend to snack a lot and sometimes binge, but when I do keto I can easily stick to IF style diets and actually healthy foods

>>40874444
I think I lost brain cells reading that

>>40874451
But that's exactly how they fucking teach your energetic pathway in high school .

>>40874451
It is a lot of fun, thx

>>40874229
Then you're a magic outlier

Low carb is complete shit for me and most every athlete in the world.

>>40874467
Enlighten us with your high school education anon :^)

>>40874229
Yeah, but you're -infantry-

91A for life.

Now I'm gonna try keto though

>>40872550
Yeah, because people eat only one macronutrient so yours is a valid example.
Keto is bullshit, lrn2molecularbiology

>>40874482
Read the thread :^)

>>40874397
master race: low carbs + high carb shake to spike GI pre-workout

I wonder how people think the human body works when they argue with the insulin spike.
Like "oh boy. Sugar! Let's pump it up!"
And then the insulin stays. For hours. "unable" to burn body fat. So according to ketofags if u only eat sugarcubes you die, your bodyfat doesn't matter.
Come the fuck on

>>40874632
This has been explained in the thread

>>40872467
>>40872355
I started keto at 12% BF visual est just to do a quick shred to see how much I could push it. BIA read 5% at my lowest visual est I would say around 8% though but I try to maintain around 10%BF visual now (if my BIA read drops below 7% I up my diet a bit). I do targeted keto now since I love the mental effect and motivation but it feels like carbs are turbomode. I'll do carb refeeds when I get hungry too easy.

Every post saying keto is billshit is completely retarded to me. You can go on and on about how you think it doesn't work. But when people are loosing 5 pounds a week for months, you actually can't argue. I lost 20 pounds in 4 weeks myself and there are studies along with it. That's all the proof I need.

>>40874800
5 pounds a week for months
Yup. How big was the deficit? Oh exactly the amount needed to lose that fat?

>>40874820
Negative. I ate 2k calories worth of bacon, eggs, chicken breast, and cheese for a month every day. It's not magic, you're body is actually burning the fat. Why is this so hard for you to accept?

>>40874837
Your* and also started at 190 so 2k is not a deficit. And if it were, it wouldn't not be 5 pounds a week. If you ate a 1k deficit, you wouldn't even loose that. I was skeptical at first as well, but give it a try for 3 weeks and it will change your outlook.

>>40873663
Define neccesary

>>40874861
If we assume that you really ate 2k a day. What did your body do with the food you ate? Pass it without touching it?

>>40874800
>>40874820
>>40874837
>>40874861
>>40874959
Stop, don't advocate for Keto unless you know what you're talking about, because then you give those of us that do a bad name

>>40874969
I'm not advocating for it dude.

>>40874959
You can keep posting smartass comments all you want, but that doesn't undo the progress of weight-loss I had while I and others did it.

>>40875006
So no answer to my question. But sure, I'll believe you. You didn't eat at a deficit and you lost 5 pounds a week. That doesn't sound impossible at all. Your body just thought: well i'll leave the food untouched and just burn fat.
What a wonderful world we live in

>>40874991
I was just addressing everyone on that bit. I'm on mobile so it's difficult to properly explain fully but that's not quite how Keto works compared to a regular diet. It doesn't negate calories in/calories out, but the way the body burns the calories that are available and what happens when your burn through what you've eaten are different

>>40875045
Because you want to be dense.
Say your normal macros are
30% fat
40% protein
30% carbs
Your body uses the 30%carbs as energy and say 10% of the fat

On a keto diet your macros could be
50%fat
5% carbs
45% protein

Your body uses 95% fat
Well you only consumed 50 of your macros from fat, so you burn that and you have 50%energy left over you body had to use from somewhere (fat reserves)

Mfw this thread
fight Fight Fight

>>40875099
Your body doesn't let food pass through you without using its calories. You always utilize 100 percent of your macros. What you're saying just isn't how the body works. You'd have to shit half of the stuff you eat out untouched.

>>40875135
Alright, guess the weight is just magically falling off because a plecebo right?

>150 posts
>literally 0 pictures of the awesome keto-made physiques
every keto thread every single time

>>40875135
Say you eat 500 calories from fat in a Keto diet and then go work out. After you burn those 500 calories, your body begins processing body fat for energy.

If you eat 500 calories of carbs, you burn those 500 calories and your body starts looking for more, can't find it, and then you tire out.

No one is saying that your body bypasses the calories that you eat, but how it reacts when it runs out of provided dietary calories is where the difference lies. A carb restricted diet will force your body to go to the next source of energy, which is converting fat into ketones

>>40875153
There are numerous reasons why you could be losing the weight without violating basic biology. But I obviously can't list them because I don't have a webcam on your head.
If your infos are accurate, get checked for a tapeworm

>>40875183
The body literally goes to the fat reserves either way once the mini-insulin-spike is over. That's what a calorie deficit means. Your body isn't fucking stupid, hormone levels can change really quickly.

>>40875186
This clown doesn't understand that having more than one metabolic pathway (and how those pathways differ) is basic biology.

How's that liberal arts degree coming, anon?

Why is everyone bitch so much?

Basically explain it to me like I'm 5 in a nutshell what's happening

>>40875242
Yeah dude I'm not the one ignoring fucking digestion.

>>40873810
I don't think he's doing that at all, you sperg. He's saying that it works for him. That's bretty much as good as any study gets. You have a bunch of people who it works for, bunch of people with less or even no results, then you average it out and compare against a control group.

So if it works for him and that's all he's saying, why are you sperging out?

>>40875205
Eh, not quite. When you run out of carb calories you start craving more carbs and food and calories until you get that blood glucose to burn for energy.

You get worn out and "deal with it" and avoid giving in to cravings in order to maintain that calorie deficit and after a while you fall into Ketosis since you're not eating anything. That depends a lot on how carb heavy your diet is though, and how your glycogen stores are

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Lot of concentrated autism in this thread. Just eat a deficit, keto or not who cares

>>40875264
"everytime i dance naked in the moonlight my deadlifts go up 30 pounds. Works for me. Don't critize plz"

What the fuck is going on in this thread?

I've lost 90lbs using keto with caloric deficit. Yes, the deficit is the key but keto makes it so much easier for me to stay there. 3 fried over easy eggs with an avocado for breakfast tides me over until 8 or 9pm when I have a lump of chicken and salsa or steak etc. When I eat carbs I never feel satisfied, always wanting more potatoes, more corn etc.

>>40875276
Yes. Exactly what I just said. That's how a calorie deficit works.

>>40872393
you ok there little buddy? you seem a little confuzzled

>>40875317
Yeah so either way you go into ketosis, but when you eat carbs and such you go in and out of it, which leads to that carb lethargy that comes up so much. On a keto diet you're always in ketosis so there's no "transitional period" to get through

>>40875377
I haven't read any of this argument but what you said in this post is 100% correct as a long time ketofag

>>40873663
because i'd rather be tired just in the evenings than hungry all the time

Yeah I wasn't using those veins anyway.

>>40875377
Yes.
The weight loss stays the same though.

>>40875423
Well calories in/calories out still applies, but keto makes it easier to keep that "calories in" low while constantly maintaining "calories out"

Like I've been doing keto for a couple weeks now and it's ridiculously easy to just not eat or think about hunger at all because my body is burning fat stores Instead of looking for glucose/glycogen whatever.

when I wasn't on keto I was always looking forward to my next meal, always aware of how hungry I felt, always felt like I was fighting cravings, etc. etc

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>>40874229
how were you able to stay keto while in? is that even possible? what were you eating on FTXs?

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>>40873948
Pasta and muesli give less of an insulin spike than dairy and meat.

>>40875580
>baked beans
>protein rich
hmmmmm
could it be the sugar

>>40875618
Yes they have the same amount as a Mars bar.

>>40872355
Keto is master race. People with dominating neandrethal genes are better off on a keto diet. Only pathetic ectomorphs disagree with this because they don't like eating fatty food.

>>40872397

He is probably American. They put sugar in bacon and sausages.

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>>40875699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdtKbq3Omkw

>>40874407
your understanding of the human endocrine system and homoeostasis is very limited based off that statement. ketosis is a state where ketones in the blood provide energy, in contrast to a state of glycolysis in which blood glucose provides most of the energy, which occurs as a result of eating carbs

most cells in the body can use both glucose and ketone bodies for fuel, for example muscle cells which is what we're talking about, and during ketosis, free fatty acids and glucose synthesis (gluconeogenesis) fuel the remainder, which isnt what you want as it basically means breaking down protein to synthesise glycogen, so you eat a lot of fat to serve as the primary energy source

when you're at a deficit and in a state of ketosis, it is a 'stable' condition, as in the ketosis is not interrupted repeatedly leading to the shitty feeling, because there's nothing for your body to turn to, but when you're at a deficit AND still eating carbs you're constantly stopping(or simply damping)/starting(upping) the process of glycolysis, which is the bodies preferred means of energy production and wants to use, but the constant ebb/flow is an unstable state, giving the shitty feeling, thanks to other chemical imbalances, as opposed to being saturated with carbs during a bulk so that your glycolysis is constant (never feel shit)

>>40875721
except that glycolysis is a plan b process for the body

it is inefficient and overall not very smart ting to do on purpose to your self

why dont you just give your brain and muscles the carbs they need... they dont burn ketones (the brain, especially as the switch to ketones needs a change in the brain-blood barrier) until you starve for 3 days straight....

>>40875985
You don't have any clue what you're talking about, do you?

i've never done keto i just go into a 500 caloric deficit then on the go i cut X amount of carbs per week and replace it with extra protein whilst staying near the same calories , works great :)

>>40872355


Keto has been the easiest way I've lost weight, I tried a bunch of other diets and keto is the only one that's stuck with me. I've lost and kept off 80lbs over the past year and am now at a healthy weight, no exercise involved. It kills your appetite and doesn't make you have blood sugar drops/spikes.


All of the anti-keto idiots are uninformed sugar addicts, and most of them have tried keto before but weren't strong enough to do it, so they're trying to crusade against it now.


The arguments against keto here are so hilariously brosciencey. It's funny how much you faggots know nothing about science or the human body lmao

>>40876158
Start exercising, I guarantee you don't look good even after losing all that weight

t. similar situation, I started doing boxing and weightlifting and I'm already a lot more toned despite a high BF%

>>40873659
This

Not saying not to eat grains if you want, but the only thing wrong with "paleo" is the stupid label and fad, the core of it is just to keep eating what we were already fuckign eating anyways

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>>40872437

Also doing around 50grams a day, everything is clear and my workouts/train/perfermance is top notch.

To the keto peeps: about to start a keto diet on April 1st, how many carbs a day do you guys eat? I've read you keep it below 50g or preferably 20g. Sound about right?

>>40876274
50g is not keto, it's just low carb. keto is 20g a day or under. you need to be well researched before keto or you'll fuck it up. do you about how many electrolytes you need and everything?

>>40876274
The usual guideline is 50 TOTAL (so counting sugar, starch, fiber, etc. etc.) and around 20 NET (so, JUST sugars and starches, not counting fiber)

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>>40872467
>When people count calories, shouldn't there be a followup of how the calories break down into a ratio of proteins,carbs,fats? 2000 calories can be an 18 rack of beer or it can be 20 cans of tunafish.
>In my opinion it's better to count proteins and try to have 0 carbs if on keto or 2 carbs per gram of protein if on bulkmode. Calories dictate very little.

>>40876383
ffs you're autistic, there's no limit to "total". where the fuck did you hear that? stop spreading misinformation. 20g NET carbs is the limit, you can have as much fiber as you want.

>>40876491
As a long time ketofag, you can easily get away with 40-50g net/day and stay in ketosis

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>>40876158
>most of them have tried keto before but weren't strong enough to do it
ah, yes, so very difficult to munch on eggs and bacon; bravo, you brave soul!

>>40876646
A lot of people don't realize how hard it is to avoid carbs entirely, they're hiding in almost everything.

Also, yes, it's easy to eat eggs and bacon for breakfast one morning, it's not so simple to completely eliminate excess carbs for months at a time with no faltering.

This post reeks of someone who has never actually tried it

>>40876646
>most of the people quit after a week and there are people constantly bitching about carb cravings and being hungry

>>40876677
>A lot of people don't realize how hard it is to avoid carbs entirely, they're hiding in almost everything.

>tfw so used to checking for carbs now that it's almost like a reflex whenever i pick up some package of food

also yeah i highly doubt >>40876646 has ever tried it

I always smell extremely bad (like ammonia) and lose a lot of strength on keto.

>>40875618
Beans are a legume, not allowed in keto

>>40876876
have you tried taking a fucking shower?

Skinnyfag here (6'2" 155), will keto kill me? I dont have much fat but im hungry all the time

>>40876974
It will work just fine for you as long as you eat at a surplus, which should be even easier than a deficit because you'll have access to nuts.

i fucking hate you keto faggots

>>40877088
t. ugly carb addict who cant do keto no matter how hard he tries

>>40876974
>hungry all the time
>6'2 155

one of these things is not like the other....

>>40876158
>I tried a bunch of other diets and keto is the only one that's stuck with me
> most of them have tried keto before but weren't strong enough to do it
If keto is so much more difficult than the other diets, why would you be strong enough to do that one but not the other ones?

>>40877162
Not him but personal preference. It's comforting knowing that you have access to nearly everything savory, you just have to avoid the sweet stuff (generally speaking)

>>40877162
because I got over the initial hump of keto where most people quit and my mood improved, my appetite fell drastically, and the weight kept falling off. other diets just feel like shit all the way through, but people think that the first week or two of keto is how it is forever and end up quitting.

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>>40872393
fpwp

>>40876158

Keto is THE broscience diet. Every time someone was asked to explain their theories about keto using real science, it gets ignored and people keep making shit up and pretending it's real science.

>>40876158
Swap out "keto" and "sugar" in this delusional shitpost with any other diet religion and its devil and you get the tears of any diet zealot you want.

>>40873898
I want to get into spartan race, how do you train for it?

>>40873895
Only for cucks.
Bacon is repulsive and a jewish food trick like (((carbs)))

>>40875099
>45% protein

No

>>40874278
Why do people neglect the fact that we shit?
>but muh laws of thermodynamics
Yeah you spend some on energy and the rest u poop it out, its not like poop doesnt have calories.

>>40875099
Come on man 75% fat 20% protein <5% carb is how it is done

>>40872355
Gonna drop my LCHF playlist that details the many scientifically proven benefits to mind, athletic performance, body composition, energy effeciency etc. These threads are always cancerous so I'm not gonna participate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtKP9qzIt0s&list=PLH2uhJ2RmgYVETxvU_BCu1Xxb5dFt8xjj&index=1

Is the meme trues that if you stop Keto, you regain weight, or is that the true only if you go above TDEE calorie intake.

>>40879851
You enter one and train for it by doing exercises similar to what you'll be doing during the race. And cardio, lots of cardio.

>>40873857
>>40873829
>>40873833

It's like you guys haven't even heard of complex carbs. OF COURSE one shouldn't consume simple carbs, that's, obviously, not going to make you feel full for more than an hour.

Keto is unnecessary, but only eating complex rather than simple carbs is a must.

>>40880500
Only true if you go above TDEE calorie intake, just like people who regain weight after any other kind of diet who don't keep their intake lower/at maintenance

>>40872355
So we're just going to ignore all the scientific data that points to the fact that keeping your fat low and crabs moderate to high is best for LBM retention?