Is keto a meme? My mom just called me and said she's going

>>40797081
It works like any diet. You eat less calories and you lose weight.
She wont die, but she also shouldn't do it for more than 1-3 months at a time.

>diet based on eating tons and tons fat
>healthy

Pick one idiot

>>40797081
Unless you're eating rat poison you're not going to die from any diet short term. However I wouldn't recommend it long term

It is not healthy but you will lose weight assuming you eat in a calorie deficit, it has no greater weight loss properties than a balanced diet with calorie restriction.

>>40797081
It works well as long as you are not an idiot trying something just because you heard of it some day, it's bad as long as you don't even know how it works and how you should do it.

https://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrate-Living/dp/0983490708

https://www.amazon.fr/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrate-Performance/dp/0983490716

Good books made by scientists about keto diet.

>>40797094
>Implying beta-hydroxybutyric acid
is not the superior energy source
>Glucose plebs
>Low Leucine
>High glycation

>>40797081
I did it for a month to see for myself if its healthy or has other benefits.
But it didn't do shit except make me 10% weaker in all lifts.

>>40797081
As long as she reads and researches keto or low carb high fat shell do great.at first i thought the diet woul be mainly meats , im now eating more salads than ever.

Honestly, i've made more gains being vegan than any other stupid fad diet. We require carbohydrates, keto is a leddit meme. Kendrick ferris, clarence0 are all vegan and are monsters. It's also ethical. Do your research

>>40797092
this

but she won't
nobody sticks to keto for more than a few weeks
I've tried it several times and it's unsustainable on the long run

>>40797172
>We require carbohydrates

Lol, top satire my dude

>>40797302
It isn't healthy to do a low-carb diet for extended periods of time friendo.

STROKE
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>>40797172
What are your macros?
Vegan too, cutting at 2800 cals
223p
80f
300c

I struggle to get protein without fat on vegan diet desu, but I usually eat around 3500+ cals with protein going up to 250 from extra veg/rice and carbs going way up with fats staying at 80ish, wish I could drop them a little more though

>>40797809
how are you eating 2800 cal on a cut? I'm eating 1600 right now and progress still feels slow.

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>>40797866
How long you been lifting for?
This was me last year, grown considerably but not ready for a progress shot until I'm a little more shredded

>>40797922
I've been lifting for 3 months. I have lost fat gained strength but I know it wont last forever.

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>>40797081
There's no essential carb. Fat and protein are required for life. I've eaten meat and eggs only for more then 18 months. Zero fiber, zero carbs. I'm fine.

Pic is a typical dinner. 14oz ribeye, 12oz lamb, pack of bacon, cheese, wine.

Your mom will me fine. My parents have been keto more then 10 years. Keto is great. Zero carb is best. Eat as a predator, not prey.

Let vegans worry about their ethics and morality. It means their flesh will be tasty when some crazy politician launces nukes and we are all fucked. Vegans and cows will be on the menu.

And yeah, I like my meat rare and bloody.

>>40798034
Pics of you?
Probably huge from all that meat bra

>>40797961
Get 100 or so gs of protein then fill up on carbs, only fats you need are omegas from chia or hemp seeds

>>40798034
> zero carbs

How? This is not possible.
I'm on Keto and it is already hard as fuck to keep carbs under 20g/day.

>>40798229
hes having a glass of wine. Its obviously not zero.

>>40797081
People fuck up the purpose of intentionally triggering ketosis. You don't need to do it as a weight loss solution. If anything, you really DON'T want to lose weight that way because after the weight's gone you need to get on a balanced diet, which you're not going to do because you spent however long on a meme diet. Better to figure out a balanced meal plan and live with that forever than to rubber band back and forth.

Keto is good for lowering body fat to increase muscle definition, which is something you might want to do once you're fit and want to shave off a few percentage points of total body fat.

The problem is people think keto is all you can eat meat, which runs the problem of not bothering to count your calories lie you should.

So keto just keeps you feeling full for less calories, right? Is that the only advantage?

>>40797331
>>40797094
>>40797172
t. junk science

>>40797081
Probably not the healthiest thing in the world, but it works and is probably healthier than the standard American diet if done right.

>>40798314
No, keto is getting your body to burn fat because you aren't consuming enough carbs. It's advantage is it helps in sculpting your body.

The disadvantage is people fucking suck at realizing what has carbs, like the other thread where some bitch is slathering a chicken breast in pizza sauce and thinking it has no carbs.

>>40797227
You're a week little bitch. I've been on keto for months. I'm leaner and stronger.

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Its very good for effectively resetting leptin and insulin resistance which has merit in its own right and overall i don't think its "unhealthy". I am however very sceptical about its effect on the gut flora also depending on your genetics you could see a fairly sharp rise in LDL (this is uncommon)

However at the end of the day no diet can get round the the First law of thermodynamics the only difference will be the amount satiety the person feels and overall health in the (very distant) future

I've been experimenting with it for two months now and it's been working pretty well, I'm never hungry which is great. weight is coming off continuously too.

Downside is anything that requires glycogen for performance is gonna get murdered and gl when it comes to social eating, it's also pretty restrictive.

Definitely won't do for the long-term, but it's good so far for a caloric deficit

>>40798314
No, the main advantage is shifting the type of fuel you use.

Instead of glucose, it will be fatty acids and beta-hydroxybutyrate (BOHB).

The main advantages is that BOHB are a more efficient and "clean" source of energy. Basically, BOHB need less oxygen to be turned into ATP and produce far less waste compared to glucose ( due to this, your level of leucine in blood raise which is an important anabolic factor), for one molecule of BOHB, mitochondria can produce 1.2 more ATP than with glucose.

BOHB don't need insulin to enter in cells, therefore, if your body run with it, you'll have far lower level of insulin and your body will naturally mobilize your fat storage and will use it as an immediate source of energy. Which is interesting because you can store far more calories ( with even little body fat ) compared to the glycogen stores, you can at most store around 3000 calories of glycogen, while you can store more than 40 000 calories with fat, a normal person has 20 more time energy in form of fat in its body than glycogen.


I won't write 10 fucking posts long as my arm about how BOHB are efficient and powerful, but it's not a meme diet, unless you are a broscientist.

If you are interested in learning more, here is a good channel of light introduction to keto and its numerous advantages.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5LiujlSc0_jA3v2qQjKszw/videos

And here are the two books you must read if you want to learn seriously about keto.

https://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrate-Living/dp/0983490708

https://www.amazon.fr/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrate-Performance/dp/0983490716

>>40797081
It's not really something that should be long term
That said I've been on for almost two months and I feel great

>>40797094
I bet you think grains are part of a healthy diet and that breakfast is the most important meal of the day too (It's not, breakfast was invented by the dairy industry in the 1950s)

i did it for a while.

Yeah it works, first week or 2 is maily water weight loss.

Gotta watch your cholestorrol with the higher fat intake.

Feel like shit for the first 2 weeks. Always feel weak at the gym

IMO not worth it, it didnt teach me healthy eating habits and i put the weight back on. My body needed carbs.

Im on a healthy diet now for 2 months, eating pretty clean, lifting and cardio. Down 4 kg and feeling good,

>>40798849
>My body needed carbs.
Only because you're a week-willed faglord. No one "needs" carbs. What happened was you caved into your cravings. You wanted carbs.
That being said, you're still doing well controlling your intake which is the most important aspect of living well. Grats on your weight loss. We're all taking different paths, but we're all still gonna make it, brehs.

>>40798849
>I started keto without knowing a damn thing about the importance of electrolytes intake
>I don't know what is keto adaptation and how long it takes
>Therefore, keto is not worth

>>40798034
>There's no essential carb

what is fiber

>>40797094
>Fat is bad
t. hungry skeleton

>>40797172
>Train for 7 years eating meat
>Cut out animal products
>Can already clean and jerk 2x bodyweight
>Natty vegan monster

>>40798739
>(It's not, breakfast was invented by the dairy industry in the 1950s)
Maybe in the US. It's been a thing for a long time in industrialized countries.

Something about only eating meats and fat makes me thinks its not really good for your heart

>>40799079
A long time being what? Like 400 years?
How did we get to the 1600s without breakfast then
It's almost like our bodies survived just fine for tens of thousands of years without waking up and stuffing our faces with carbs and fat immediately
Our recent growth in height and muscle mass compared to recent ancestors was only because of quality, not quantity, and breakfast is too much, not to mention 95% of breakfast foods are garbage any time of the day anyway

>>40799099
That "something" is decades of misinformation.

Enjoy looking flat as fuck

>>40799390
You mean decades of research that was supposedly disproved by a couple of studies funded by the meat and dairy industry.

>>40797081
I've been on it since June, lost fat and maintained muscle. My lifts still going up. Not starving all the time. Good energy. My blood and urine panels have all significantly improved according to doctors. So it's not a meme in my experience.

>>40799461
*cringe*

dumb veganposter.

>>40797094
1980's pls go

>>40797081
3 meals a day is a meme
Carbs are a meme

Do you really think our hunter gatherer ancestors ate 3 times a day with lots of carbs. No seriously, think about it.

People are giving themselves diabetus with whole wheat bread.

>>40798034
Enjoy your colon cancer my dude

>>40799470
While I am on your side, that's not an argument

>>40798979
>he thinks fibre is essential

whew lad. its only benefit is to slow down the rate of digestion of refined carbs. and, no, it's not necessary for healthy bowel movements.

Yeah dude it's totally a meme. Eating processed foods are not a meme.

>>40798979

fiber goes through your system and isn't turned into energy you fucking moron

Hey, what kind of excercise is the best for maximize the body fat burning (and building muscle) on a keto diet? I've been doing the diet for 3 weeks and have lost 5kg so far

>>40799605
Neither are vitamins, what's your point?

>>40799688
You're already at the limit for healthy weight loss speed.

>>40798034

>There's no essential carb. Fat and protein are required for life

Such a dumb argument. If you want to play that game, you know only 9 out of 20 amino acids are present, and the human requirment for protein is technically around 50g, right? You know only omega fats are essential fats, right, and your requirement for them are met at around 2-3% of calories? Saturated and monounsaturated aren't essential, so why is your plate all cheese and beef?

>>40799711
hmm I don't really want to lose weight faster, but i would like to complement the diet with excercise. Maybe just weights and no cardio?

>>40798272
>Keto is good for lowering body fat
yeah das is gud
>The problem is people think keto is all you can eat meat
yeah thats full on retard , people cutting should count cals

>>40799751
t. vexed vegan

>>40799780

>everyone who thinks I'm an idiot is a vegan

>>40797227

i lost 25kg in 6 months of keto faggot, wrote my exams on keto and everything was great.

Keto is amazing. Zyzz recommends.
Do intermediate fasting with it if not hungry. Feeling good and finnaly have good shitting schedule. On a normal diet i shit a few times a day.

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>>40799851
>Zyzz recommends

>>40797081
usually keto works because most of your calories come from Carbs, but yeah, its not bad if you doesn't fuck it up and eat like a fucktard

>>40797081
>Does it actually work
yes
>and is it healthy
no

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It has some promising studies but nothing conclusive. The long-term effects aren't really understood (I'm taking a lifetime of keto).

It's best if you get your mom to just increase her vegetable intake and avoid refined sugars instead of a strict diet like keto.

Can any keto pro explain to me why nuts are highly advised in keto diet, and also things like seeds

From what I see they have high fat sure but they also have a decent amount of carbs that is not dietary fibre
Isn't that going against the keto standard
This has always bugged me and I usually avoid nuts and seeds because of that

>>40800469
>I usually avoid nuts and seeds because of that
This is the problem with keto. People avoid things like nuts and vegetables because they have "too many" carbs. It's a diet for very special circumstances and not for the general population.

You are still absorbing the same amount of energy overall, whether it is from carbohydrates, fat or protein. The fat you eat is broken down into fatty acids and glycerol, which are then absorbed into your blood stream (after being emulsified). Muscle tissues etc. can in fact get energy from this, but your brain for example cannot convert fatty acids into energy. This is where your body realizes "hey, I need glucose for the parts that can't handle fatty acids", and begins to burn the ketones stored within your fat as fuel for those parts. Yes, you burn fat here, but you then also storage the exact same amount of fat through the excess energy that your body couldn't burn.
Simplified, you eat and burn 2000 calories, of which 60% are fat, 40% protein. Protein goes off and does its thing. Now, your brain needs energy, and it takes about 1/5th of the energy you consume to function properly. But since you provided your body with no glucose, you now have to get some from the fat storages within your body: ketones. So you need a total of 500 calories from fat for your brain to function. Your body gets those 500 calories from your fat storages as ketones, and boom! You burned 500 calories' worth of fat. However, the fat that you ate (the 1/5th that could not be used for your brain), now serves no purpose in your body. So, it is storaged as fat for future use. Back to square one: you burned the exact same amount of fat as you would've by just eating carbohydrates alone, or any other balance of the three.


tl;dr don't bother with Keto.

>>40798229

why the fuck would you keep your carbs this fucking low. If you're an athlete or really active you can actually go up to ~50-100 while still staying in ketosis.

>>40797302
What does the brain run on? Glucose........

>>40798704

>The main advantages is that BOHB are a more efficient and "clean" source of energy. Basically, BOHB need less oxygen to be turned into ATP and produce far less waste compared to glucose

Ketosis is a byproduct of inefficient, "unclean" energy use due to lack of clean-burning carbohydrate. It produces so much waste that you can measure it in your urine and even smell it on your breath.

https://books.google.com/books?id=hrdRROeCI9IC&pg=PA264&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

>Because "fat burns in a flame of carbohydrate," a very-high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet promotes ketosis. The lack of carbohydrate inhibits formation of oxaloacetate, slowing entry of acetyl CoA into the citric acid cycle and rerouting acetyl CoA to form ketone bodies.
>To dispose of excess ketone bodies, your kidneys excrete them and your lungs exhale them. If this removal process cannot keep up with the production process, ketone bodies accumulate in the blood-- a condition called ketosis.

>>40800714
It doesn't produce waste you retard. It removes the waste out of your body. Learn how to read.

>>40800902

>It doesn't produce waste you retard. It removes the waste out of your body.

The waste it produced, dumbass

>>40800714
>It produces so much waste that you can measure it in your urine and even smell it on your breath.

Yeah no shit. Exhaling and urinating is the natural response of your body to remove waste out of your body.

Oh wait, you would keep it in your body. Outstanding logic.

>>40800902
>>40800924

The point is that it causes the body to have much more waste to be expelled from the body BECAUSE there is so much waste created in the first place by following this diet

>>40800924

What point are you trying to make?

>>40800945
Wrong. The body produced waste from the previous diet and ketosis helps removes it. Do you even know what the liver is?

>>40800960

Hahahaha

Yeah, the non-ketogenic diet is what made all those ketone bodies, and the ketogenic diet gets rid of them. Christ, what a mong.

>>40800960

You're a fucking idiot.

>>40800979
That's why ketones are found in urine?

What a retard.

>>40798272

This desu

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>>40797172
>blablalblablblablbalbblalblbbla
>blblablablablablablbalba
>blblba.. It's also ethical
kek, everytime

>>40798849
>>40798951
>>40798964

Don't listen to the keto shills anon if you're actively cutting and lifting that's fucking awesome keep on going

>>40801124
Listen to this type 2 diabetic shill anon. He wants you to buy drugs from big pharma instead.

I want to try it to see if it helps with my bloodpressure which may stem from some insulin resistance

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>>40797081
It's a scam to sell books. Yes you can lose weight with keto diets, they make you so ill that you lose your appetite but you can stay on them only so long.

That's why 95-98% doing these diets fail and eventually gain all the weight back, probably even more than what they had before the stupid diet.

Ditch dairy, less meat, less oils and most of calories from rice, pasta and potatos. Spaghetti with different sauces, chili con carne, stuff like that, you love it and it gives the energy.

>>40801208
>Following a simple diet means you have to purchase a book

>>40800616
So, what you're saying is, if I'm eating a deficit using keto, not only does my body use the fat as energy for daily use such as exercise, but my brain also uses fat in the form of ketones from fat to function properly. So now not only an I losing fat because I'm in a deficit, but I'm also losing fat because it's the only way my brain can get energy?
As opposed to eating carbs on a deficit. I'm losing weight because deficit, but instead of burning body fat for my brain, it's using an available source of carbohydrates that I've been eating as well as preferring to use carbs as immediate energy for exercise, until the glycogen runs out and it switches to fats.

From what you said, I don't see any benefit of having carbs in my diet if my goal is to lose fat.

Yes, if you are at a surplus, the fat turns into stored fat at pretty much a 1:1 ratio. If you surplus on carbs, the body has to convert it to fat which burns around 30% of its energy in the process.

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>>40801236
You dont eat deficit or feel hungry, EVER, if you are eating your natural foods instead of dairy, oils and meat

>>40800701
It's true. Keto kills everyone all the time, over and over.

>>40801260
>dairy is not a natural food

We better tell mothers to stop breast feeding their babies

>>40797227
>If I can't do something nobody can

>>40800945
>so much waste created by following this diet

guess i better stop exercising, since that increases waste production =)

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>>40801315
Cow's milk is the worst poison you can consume it's liquid meat with addition of dozens of negative effects meat does not have.

Mother's milk is absolutely needed for babies and never should them replace that with other milks.

>>40801208
>That's why 95-98% doing these diets fail and eventually gain all the weight back, probably even more than what they had

No. Post diet weight gain occurs when you fail to sustain weight loss for at least 6 months. Less time than that, and your metabolism's set point won't lower.

>>40801357
>milk between different mammals are different

>it's either autistic vegan shills or autistic keto shills
>both types seem to spout complete nonsense
Really not cool you guys

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>>40801357
still, your baby will never be vegan

>>40801398
No, you dont even have to go full vegan. Just ditch the dairy completely, less meat and oils. Most people would lose weight simply doing this, but they wont, they like their cow's milk and meat too much. They get what they deserve.

>>40801435
Tell me where the cow bit you

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>>40801480
oh god. i would puke simply trying to drink milk.

ditch the milk for some time, maybe you will too after time.

>>40801377
>muh metabolism

People gain the weight back because they don't make permanent diet changes and go right back to the shit that got them fat in the first place.

>>40801398
What part of keto is nonsense?

>>40801357
Knee grow detected.

>>40801533
That and their fatcells are screaming at them to put the weight back on.
This is something formerly obese people will have to learn to deal with for the rest of our lives.
That's just how it is.

>>40798739
>eating in the morning wasn't invented till the 1950s

>>40797172
>Don't do a fad diet
>Go vegan


Uhhhhhhhh

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all this broscience in this thread and not one single piece of factual evidence advising against keto other than
>we need carbs
>it is a fad
>it is bad

Ketosis is just a type of metabolism the human organism is capable of besides e.g. glycolysis, and it takes place in everybody to a certain extent.

Here are some concerns/problems that I know of:

- The breakdown of fat (beta-oxidation) and subsequent production of ketone bodies (ketogenesis) takes place in the liver takes place only in the liver. So on a HFVLC diet your liver tissues function are up-regulated i.e. your liver is under constant stress as compared to a "normal" diet.

- To absorb and break down all of the ingested fat the gallbladder needs to produce a lot of bile, which contains cholesterol and bile acids/salts. They are present in certain ratios and if those ratios become fucked up (due to dietary habits?) the cholesterol or bile acids can precipitate and form gallbladder stones.

- Acidosis (lowering of pH in blood and other tissues) which causes calcium to be solved from bone (they become less dense) and the increased calcium can in turn cause kidney stones.

- Some people have latent dyslipidemia (problems within the fat metabolism) that only become apparent if the only/main energy source is fat. This can lead to death.

- Raise of fat levels in cholesterol in blood. This can be bad but not necessarily; in the past high blood cholesterol was thought to be the cause for coronary heart disease but it is now know that dietary cholesterol does not contribute to the diseases in which cholesterol is implicated

If there is anything more I'd be glad to hear it.

>>40799851
How often do you shit now? I don't shit for days and it's a little concerning

>>40802792
You should be able to take a dump every other to every three days. If a week goes by and nothing happens you should drink WAY more water and eat more fibrous veggies.
Coffee/Espresso with heavy cream and a spoon of coconut oil can also help.

>>40799377
Breakfast was eaten by the ancient Greeks and Romans, mainly by workers, labourers and soldiers.

The Catholic church put an end to breakfast as it was seen as gluttony and weak. Exceptions were made for the sick, children and peasants

>>40798034
>zero carb
>drinks wine

Wew lad

So I'm not a very smart science person

What advantages does keto actually have over other diets? Isn't it just calories in and out?

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>>40800590
fucking norrmies

>>40801236
YOU LOSE MORE FAT IN KETO BECAUSE FAT IS MORE FILLING THAN CARBS THEREFORE YOU TEND TO EAT LESS

/KYS

>>40804257
www.cochrane.org/CD011834/VASC_effect-cutting-down-fat-we-eat-body-weight
>cutting down on the proportion of fat in our food leads to a small but noticeable decrease in body weight, body mass index and waist circumference. This effect was found both in adults and children. The effect did not change over time.

https://academic.oup.com/ije/article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ije/dyw173/2617206/Adiposity-among-132-479-UK-Biobank-participants
>Fat is the largest contributor to overall energy. The proportion of energy from fat in the diet, but not sugar, is higher among overweight/obese individuals. Focusing public health messages on sugar may mislead on the need to reduce fat and overall energy consumption

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7498104
>Protein, fibre, and water contents of the test foods correlated positively with SI scores (r = 0.37, P < 0.05, n = 38; r = 0.46, P < 0.01; and r = 0.64, P < 0.001; respectively) whereas fat content was negatively associated (r = -0.43, P < 0.01).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8475895
>Eating from a range of either high-fat or high-carbohydrate foods, obese subjects voluntarily consumed twice as much energy from the fat items, thereby indicating a weak action of fat on satiation. In turn, this large intake of fat exerted a disproportionately weak effect on satiety. These studies suggest that the appetite-control system may have only weak inhibitory mechanisms to prevent the passive overconsumption of dietary fat.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195666317304099
>The majority of respondents experienced these problems for combined high-fat savoury (30%) and high-fat sweet (25%) foods, whereas only a minority experienced such problems for low-fat/savoury (2%) and mainly sugar-containing foods (5%). Overweight correlated only with addictive-like problems for high-fat savoury and high-fat sweet foods (P < 0.0001), while this was not found for foods mainly containing sugar.

>>40804257
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/42330/1/WHO_TRS_894.pdf#page=120
>Dietary fat has a higher energy density than other macronutrients (see Table 7.1, p. 104 and Table 7.2, p. 111). This is thought to be largely responsible for the overeating effect, or passive overconsumption as it is often called, experienced by many subjects exposed to high-fat foods (3). The stimulatory effect of fatty foods on energy intake may also be due to the pleasant mouth-feel of fat when eaten (11).

>The body does compensate for the overconsumption of energy from high-fat foods to some extent, but the fat-induced appetite control signals are thought to be too weak, or too delayed, to prevent the rapid intake of the energy from a fatty meal. Episodic intakes of highfat foods are therefore particularly likely to overwhelm these signals, and the control of food intake thus depends on long-term regulatory processes that seem much less able to respond to overfeeding than to underfeeding with weight loss. Fibre, by contrast, limits energy intake by lowering a food's density and allowing time for appetite-control signals to occur before large amounts of energy have been consumed (3).

>There is no clear evidence to suggest that high intakes of sugar overwhelm the appetite-control signals in the same manner as fat. However, there is some indication from short-term feeding trials that ad libitum low-fat high-complex-carbohydrate diets of low energy density induce weight loss.

>Thus, the bulk of the evidence suggests that carbohydrate and protein balances, but not fat balance, are well regulated. It is becoming clear that weight changes following challenges to body weight are due primarily to disruptions in fat balance, as these account for most of the imbalance produced in total energy (1 3-19).

>>40804257
So more like the extra protein and fiber you wind up eating. And inflammation from all the extra fat in your blood

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.short
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/91/3/578.short
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/52/12/2882.short
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1084952115002451

>>40804435
>>40804443
>>40804451
delete this

>>40798507
False, u shit out excess calories. Jason Wittrock ate 4000cal keto for 21 days and lost two pounds. He started at 150lbs.

>>40800469
Pumpkin seeds and macadamia nuts have pretty low carbs. I don't like the other ones cuz they do have decent amount of carbs.

>>40802726

>- Raise of fat levels in cholesterol in blood. This can be bad but not necessarily; in the past high blood cholesterol was thought to be the cause for coronary heart disease but it is now know that dietary cholesterol does not contribute to the diseases in which cholesterol is implicated

The second half of your sentence is a totally different topic from the first half

Keto diets can raise blood cholesterol levels, which is the driving factor in atherosclerosis. Dietary cholesterol, which does contribute to atherosclerosis, isn't THE main reason a ketogenic diet would raise blood cholesterol or raise your risk of heart disease, so why you even brought it up as a "however" type point, I don't understand. Even if dietary cholesterol had no effect on anything, it's mostly the saturated fat content keto diets are known for.

>>40798849
cholersterol bcs fat
80 scientist please go

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>>40806476
500 B.C. scientist please go

>>40799560
Biolayne uploaded a video about how diets high in fibre & protein resulted into more fat loss than diets that were lacking in these departments.

Can't find the video atm, but there were some interesting sources in the description as well.

>>40797081
Keto is way healthier than whatever inflammatory carb shit you eat all day.

>>40807555
>sweet potatoes and blackberries are inflammatory
>eating nothing but grease is healthy

Reminder that saturated fat causes heart disease again.

>>40806396
>blood cholesterol levels, which is the driving factor in atherosclerosis.

>What are lipo-proteins.
Read a book my man.

>>40798034
I wonder what you look like.

When I was on keto lifting sessions were a chore, a 1.5hr workout turing into a 3hr one because I needed to rest more between set, muscles giving out at the end because of no glucose.

Keto is GOAT if you're a fatass and want to get trim quickly. I don't know if it's so good if you're already lean.

>>40798739

>I bet you think grains are part of a healthy diet

Anyone who's not a conspiracist retard understands that whole grains are good for you

>>40807989

>What are lipo-proteins.

Protein particles that carry cholesterol

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>fats fill you up!

Yeah about as well as protein and fiber-laden unprocessed carbs, except with over twice the calories plus heart attacks and cancer.
Keto only works because the allowed foods are disgusting and it's really hard to go overboard. If you have any semblance of self-control, slow carb is the superior choice, and you'll be amazed how much you can eat when you forgo the saturated death.

>>40808109

I always thought it was funny how people tell you fats are really filling and hard to over eat, then when you ask what easy high cal foods to eat when bulking they tell you to eat peanut butter, nuts, whole milk, olive oil, cheese, etc

>>40797081
pretty much any diet is a sign of stupidity

eat everything in moderation

>>40807529
>what is salad

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>>40808144
Ham, cheese, pasta and mayo with some lettuce and tomato, why?

>>40808109


>hmm i should bathe my entire body in insulin at all times because this is clearly healthy

lol

>>40808646
Explain how this natural hormone created by your body and essential to its functioning is bad for you.

>>40808683
>natural

rice, pasta and bread raise it higher than anything in nature.

>>40808690
honey

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>>40808690
Lel pasta is below all keto staples but eggs.

>>40797172

Whats your favorite bean?

>>40798229
Nigga I'm 340 lbs, and I've maintained under 10g since late October. (Was well over 400 lbs) believe me or not, my progress speaks for itself.

>>40810035
You probably haven't.
10g is like Bacon Only.

>>40808690
so don't eat rice and pasta retard?

>>40808109
I'm with this dude

SLOW CARB OR GTFO THIS BOARD

>>40799461
Fucking idiot. I really hope you die from a heart attack.

>>40810035

>currently 340 pounds
>was well over 400 pounds at one point
>diet is mainly bacon, cheese, and red meat
>rabid keto shill with little understanding of nutrition

It all makes sense now.

>>40797081

>dat cross contamination

do you even food safety?

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lol at ketofags
enjoy diabetes

>>40811791
Wait so at the same caloric intake low fat gives the lowest and most stable blood sugar?
Got a sauce on that graph?

>>40812170
the source is the 1970s

>>40812697
Human bodies functioned differently then?
Was a study with the same conditions redone later with different results?

>>40811791
>LOL ONLY 80PROTONS IN THE DIET
Fucking kek'd Thats like one scoop