Why is it considered wrong to become physically fit solely

because you'll probably end up getting a boyfriend

Because it generally doesn't work.
Girls don't approach guys much in real life, and those that do wouldn't stick with a guy who thinks getting fit is the be all and end all of attraction.

Because it guarantees you being a shit lifter.

Because it doesnt work would be my first assessment really

Its kind of like stuying math to get good grades on a geography test, you use math in measuring distance sure but thats not gonna help you whatsoever

if you really want a gf its about the massive grind, you need to find that unicorn who is somewhat decently attractive, single and willing to date and its gonna take a long ass time to find her

So spend your time in a better way

>>40724665

Because lifting and looking good doesn't make up for your shitty personality.

Because even if you do succeed as soon as you get it, you won't have anything driving you anymore, and you'll become a fat lazy slob just like you already are.

because its reeks of desperation. You cant do something that most humans able to do. Your genetics are so shitty that you need to try so hard for something so easy

because kys

>>40724706
>hard for something so easy
Women are biologically designed to be selective in mates, as are most females in all genders
So how is this easy, exactly?

>>40724723

Every ancestral organism of yours, from your parents to the first life on earth, managed it.
Can't be that hard.

>>40724723

>Tries to apply his bio 12 AP knowledge to dating
>Thinks dating is hard

yup this checks out

It is not wrong.
Your goals change anyway as soon as you start lifting.

>start lifting for girls
>learn you need to do cardio too
>some old fucks is faster than you so you don't want to be slower than some grandpa
>after leaving the grandpa behind you realise it is not your limit, what about a half marathon?
>same shit at the gym, some faggot lifting the same weight as you with less bodyweight
>some motherfucker has bigger shoulders than you but uses lighter weights, what the fuck?
>you are constantly competing
>girls are not your motivation anymore

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>>40724665
>that anterior pelvic tilt
she's so out of shape that she can't even stand with proper form.

>>40724723
>are most females in all genders

>>40724765
what do you expect from fake twitch streamers?

>>40724723

Its easy because it literally just takes talking to people. Poor, sick, and ugly people all around the world manage to do it, why can't you? You're literally scared to talk to a member of the opposite sex. Think for a second how ridiculous that is

Yeah it's like the most repeated tip to be more attractive to women is
>hit the gym

And then people say you're not supposed to lift for girls. It's a lose-lose situation.

Lifting because you want a girlfriend suggests that you're insecure and needy, and that rather than having self-esteem from following your beliefs and values and growing in the face of challenges, you're desperately dependant on other people validating you. It suggests that you're overly invested in what everyone else thinks about you which comes across as very needy.
If you talk to women with the ultimate intention of validating yourself because you need her approval to feel happy then the woman will more than likely sense this intention and feel uncomfortable around you. No sensible woman with self-respect will let a needy man latch onto her for emotional support (and vice versa).
This is why Nice Guys get rejected so often, if a guy is giving compliments and attention to a woman because he desperately needs attention just to function then he's not being genuinely kind and honest, he's just trying to win points in a game of external validation.
TL:DR sane women usually aren't attracted to an emotionally needy man.

>>40724665
mostly because it wont work. It's not an effective way of finding a partner. Thus 'lifting for girls' is seen as extremely stupid.

>>40724765
girls purposely accentuate their pelvic tilt to make their asses appear larger. When she stands normally it's probably less of an issue.

>>40724738
>modern day social dynamics is the same as hunter gatherer times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

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>>40724848
>girls purposely accentuate their pelvic tilt

>>40724738
Possible doesnt mean easy, this was exactly my point
its possible to win the lottery or get hit by lightning but that doesnt make it easy.

>>40724771
Opps, species

>>40724809
´Like i said above, possible != easy
my first posts in the thread was about how lifting wont help you get a gf, you need to play the numbers game and keep trying to get her.
But its not gonna be easy

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>>40724867
to make their asses appear larger.

the butt-fetish is spreading

>>40724872

It is easy if you are confident.
If you aren't confident, its still easy, you're just scared of trying.

>>40724918
John Wilkes Booth was a mistake

>>40724918
>countries with most testosterone like butts
>I like butts
Excellent

>>40724809
There was this girl who killed herself in my home town because she was lonely. She was pretty cute and had ugly males hit on her all the time.

People are insane and a lot of them find it difficult to settle for somehow at their own level. Blame porn or the media or something wrong in their heads but odds are OP doesnt just want a gf he wants a gf he is attracted to despite the fact that he is hideous.

>>40724872

>But its not gonna be easy

then maybe you should rephrase it to more accurately describe the real issue. "Getting a girlfriend that is above my league, or that I find very attractive, is very hard in the west"

Because that's the only way its "not easy", of course its going to be hard to get a model to be your girlfriend when you're a 5/10 at best. Maybe you should lower your standards more to reality? There are plenty of 5-6 girls that also have troubles finding boyfriends, because every average joe thinks he is entitled to the pornstars he masturbates to

>>40724939
>>countries with most blacks like butts

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>>40724946
True, but it's not a modern problem by any means. It's simple biology. You want the best possible mate in order to give your offspring the best possible chance.

Both men and women do this, even if it's not totally consciously. That's why some woman have height or race restrictions on who they date.

It's only a big deal when ugly people refuse to simply off themselves and instead make annoying threads on 4chan or go all Elliott Roger and start killing innocents.

To say it's unnatural or because of porn that uggos want to fuck hotties is kind of retarded though, it's natural to desire the best. Cavemen would fight or kill to get the best pussy. In modern society you have to make a lot of money or be really handsome. It's all cool and fine. It's no big deal.

>>40724665
Because you obviously know nothing about women if thats the main reason you lift.

>>40724924
Confidence is key, yes because if you dont try you wont succeed but trying doesnt automatically give you success

>>40724946
>There are plenty of 5-6 girls that also have troubles finding boyfriends, because every average joe thinks he is entitled to the pornstars he masturbates to
This might be true for many guys that their standards are off, equally true for many girls in their late 20s early 30s. It doesnt apply to me because my issue isnt rejection its finding girls to approach.
In any case dating for guys is not easy, if you aim for a girl above your own league you are less likely to succeed but simply lowering your standard wont automatically solve the issue because you cant guarantee that the girl you approach accepts you
Despite the autistic nature of 4chan beauty isnt measured objectivly between people, my 10/10 isnt the same as your 10/10
Practical example of this is many drool over Emma Watson and her newly leaked nudes, i dont find her attractive at all and i dont know a single guy who does. This doesnt mean guys who find her attractive are wrong, it just means they are diffrent from me.

So its not as simple as me as a 6/10 stop going for 7/10 girls and aim for 5/10s because the next 5/10 i meet maybe thinks im a 4/10 while the next 8/10 girl i meet thinks im a 10

Most girls arent going to dump their partner because you look and are better than him, adding to the problem

So dating for guys isnt easy because you want a girl who is decently attractive, single, compatible with your person and this requires value, timing, confidence and luck

>>40724701
>attack other people on web
>say they have a shitty personality

>>40724918
>North Korea
everyteim

>>40724685
Like what? Srs...

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im only getting FIT so i can rub it in the face of the girl who would not date me when i was fat

>>40724665
I can talk to girls just fine, unfortunately I'm really ugly. I need to get fit to have something going for me.

>>40725116
Like extensive plastic surgery to fix your face.

>>40725138
extensive reconstructive plastic surgery is your only hope.

It's vain and you'll get the same girl in return. Someone who is with you because your physical features. Those things should be a bonus, otherwise your being used.

>>40724665
Intrinsic motivation > external motivation

>>40725129
You're still making your happiness dependant on her opinions and beliefs.

>>40725129
>"I only have $100, will you sell me this?"
>"no, but I may for $200"
>goes away and comes back with more money
>"hey look, now I have $200, but I won't give it to you. I bet you feel stupid for not selling it to me yesterday!"

what do you mean to prove by this?

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>>40724665
>>40724765
>>40724775
>>40724848
>>40724867
This is just the spine and it doesn't even show the twist yet, and even with this much tilt she doesn't have an ass

>>40725129
guess what faggot.
she doesn't care.

>>40725212
Im not him but its a moral thing
It feels good to be wanted, for women this comes naturally but men need to earn it and the power of rejecting someone makes you feel like you have value.

That being said it wont work, the girl will probably have a new bf by the time he a pound and she wont remember him

>>40725129
...I dont get it.

>>40724942
Green text story time anon

>>40725271
>girl likes pretty guys
>is mean or depressing or otherwise unlikable
>gets hit on by uggos
>doesn't want to fuck uggos
>commits sudoku
>???
>profit

>>40725069

If you think lifting and having a good body is what it takes to get a gf, you have a shitty personality, and probably lack social skills.

>>40724946
You talking shit mate. It has been proven that women literally view 80% of men an unattractive. The point is, Women are way too picky than men on average. And if you think that's a bullshit I just picked outta my ass, do some research.

>>40725271
uhhh...
She felt she was entitled to better quality dick than she was getting offers for and ended up killing herself
Not much of a story there anon

>>40725176
implying that physical appearance is not more important than anything. WTF! How deluded you're!

>>40725301
kek!
Like that nurse girl from london who tweeted ''how nice guys are all dogs'' and a month later commited suicide, cause she was scared she's going to be single at 30. Karma came at her like a speedy bullet. Love stories where entitled bitches do an off, cause they can't have an alpha cock..

>>40725371
I gotta say i have never met a girl who was single and unhappy, most girls i meet (im 29 btw) are happy as hell in single life and they are an extreme minority of the girls i meet

Still, its kind of funny how some girls would rather kill themselves than date men who arent 10/10
I understand guys killing themselves because its humiliating to get rejected constantly but you need to be a special type of retard to reject people and then claim you are the humiliated part

>>40724672
This is how I know you havent made it

>>40725475

And that is how I know (You) haven't made it

>>40725413
'' i have never met a girl who was single and unhappy''
Well, obviously we live in a different planets then. I have noticed that passive indirect attitudes girl indicate their single life on their social media ''There are like 7 billion people and I'm still single''' No bf no problem'' all that sort of cringe worthy cliche stuff. Also, women tend to take being single personally than men I guess.

>>40725504
Well where do you live then?
I live in Sweden and to this day i have never even heard of a girl having problems in dating
Hell, even a girl i met last summer who was two years older than me and had 4 kids was chased and did well in dating

Sure girls might be more prone to adopt a sour grapes approach and become more bitter than men but ill be damned if i have ever met one

I did date a girl who said her best friend was a virgin at 21 but when i asked about it she said the friend was a complete bitch and rejected tens of guys every weekend when they went out just to be able to complain and get support from their other friends. It wasnt about getting laid but rather getting attention and support from her friends

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just wait till you're like 40, then the girls will be 'ready' to date you.

>>40725548
havent all the women and children in sweden been gang raped by arabs at this point? I'm surprised anyone still wants to be with them and their diseased snatches.

>>40725580
>just wait till you're like 40
or talk to women and get important information on the first date so you don't waste your time with a whore for the first 40 years of your life.

>>40724665
I have fat friends with hot wives/gf's and women indeed like how the man looks, but they like personality more.

>>40725603
FACE is all that matters, and HEIGHT, slightly less so. So two things matter... and money... so three things.

>>40724665
wtf???? looks dont matter okay??? why would lifting help either???

>>40725630
looks matter, and you cant outlift an ugly face.

>>40725232
Not him but it doesn't matter if she personally doesn't care. It's about avoiding the situation entirely. You fix the problem so it can't happen again, it's not a single case issue it's a policy thing

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>>40725643
>Thinking you can avoid rejection
nigger are you serious with this shit?
You learn and improve to not give a shit about girls rejecting you, because they will

>>40725589
Alot of girls are realizing that migrants and gang rapes are a bad thing, many more like migrants and their gang rape culture
Alot of girls in the middle are brain washed to date and race mix and now we have 20% more men than women in the country so the outlook isnt really good

>>40724665
doesnt work, acquire money.

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>>40725671
>not give a shit about girls rejecting you
Literally this. It happens and i could not care less. Seriously, who gives two fucks what some random girl thinks? Don't want in? Okey, then.

>>40725671
>not give a shit about girls rejecting you
>sit on my lazy ass and accept the fact that females don't like me

Whoops fixed that for you. That's what you really meant to say, right?

>>40725733
we're suggesting suicide.

>>40725733
>>not give a shit about girls rejecting you
>doesn't talk to women out of fear of rejection
???

>>40724867
>>40724918
>>40725231
You illiterate morons.

This is called "lordosis behaviour".

>>40725791
>This is called "lordosis behaviour".
>women do this for the entirety of the internet
>meaning they're open for business from whoever
see>>40724867
pic related

>>40725733
>sit on my lazy ass
Do you need glasses or a repeat of 4th grade maybe?
>>40725671
>You learn and improve

You said
>>40725643
>You fix the problem so it can't happen again
And i say youre fucking retarded if you think you can eliminate rejection, the only way you can do that is by not giving girls the possibility to reject you

Either be smart and learn to not give a fuck about girls who reject you and go on with your life or fuck off

>>40725810
>meaning they're open for business
They are not a fucking 7/11 anon
They just want attention and if guys think you offer sex they give you attention, girls have gotten smart and know you dont actually need to provide sex

>>40724665
The fault is in the meaning itself, because if you lift to get a gf, you will stop lifting when you have one.

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>>40725848
>They just want attention
>women do not like sex

>>40725884
>women like sex
>rejects most guys who approach
hmm......

>>40725954
women have rejected me for relationships and then offered sex m8

obviously they like sex

its not wrong, but if you don't go out and talk to girls it won't work, you need to get out there and learn how to talk and behave next to girls to achieve the most overated thing ever, a Girlfriend

>>40725954
>women have so many people approach them that they can pick and choose who they fuck

>>40726015
Women like attention way more than sex, here is reading

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cultural-animal/201012/the-reality-the-male-sex-drive


http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.186.5369&rep=rep1&type=pdf
>Theoretically, females might not be as innately compelled toward sexual behavior as a self-protective strategy to avoid the possibility of unplanned motherhood, or mothering the child of an unfit mate.

So women want alot less sex than men, doesnt mean they hate sex and never want sex but you cant honestly tell me you see girls acting like guys do you?

>>40726089
>you see girls acting like guys do you?
what like going out and looking for one night stands?

because yes this happens.

>>40724665
because lifting wont get you a gf

I have bad news for you

>>40726113
Really, where do you live? i want to come visit
Where i live there are extremly few girls looking for a ONS, plenty of dudes hoping to score though

Ive honestly met more girls who openly admitted to pretending to be single on nights out to get attention but had no intention of sleeping with the dudes
I think there was a study on this as well

>>40726131
MI nigger capital of america

>>40726089
I agree with this anon

Attention are 95% of what women crave for. Sex appeal is the easiest way to get that attention, so that's what they use in the end. Even when they are looking for a ONS theres that possibility it's just to brag to their friends about it.

>>40725684
this is the reward for you swedish being anti-semitic shitlords.

>>40724665
Focus on yourself --- improving yourself.

Do that and the women will flock around you, but that's not the important part --- the important thing is to become a better version of yourself, always striving for perfection.

>>40725580
When I'm 40 I will still be dating 20-something year olds.

>studying STEM
>doing startups
>keep lifting and taking care of myself in general

>>40725069
>thinks honesty is a shitty trait

>>40724965
Yep, just as he said, most testosterone

>>40724665
It makes the losers who can't get girlfriends no matter what even after getting fit mad and the girls who know that you're going to be out of their league confused and angry. Oh and the queers will be quite furious that another attractive guy is out of their reach.

>>40726215
>Do that and the women will flock around you
i have doubts
When i was a skinny fag working part time in a restaurant i had a gf

I started lifting and we broke up
>I got into uni, doing a bachelors in finance
>I gained 10kg of muscle, currently at 91kg with a low bf and 185cm tall
>I got a job in my field of specialty, part time only but good prospects
>I took up martial arts, been training BJJ and muay thai
>I took up dancing, for fun

Still im lonelier than ever before and things are only becoming darker and darker
point is, have fun while youre young because dating becomes really difficult when you pass 25

>>40725791
every now and then, there's appears someone with a real education. Thanks anon, TIL.

>>40725848
Then withhold the attention till you bust a nut. Play them with their own game.

>>40726299
As if there arent thousands of other guys willing to satisfy her need for attention
anon plz, if you withhold attention she will move on faster than you can say "wait, come back"

Women have all the power in dating and its currently in a nash equilibrium
Most guys try to undercut the competition from other guys so simply withholding what girls want makes em discard you because you can be replaced

>>40726345
''As if there arent thousands of other guys willing to satisfy her need for attention'' ARGGGHHH fucking thirsty niggas! Can we just gas them off

It doesn't work and girls are rarely worth it. The contentment you achieve living a goal oriented and structured life is more fulfilling than dealing with the hamster wheel that is a relationship

>>40724665
Because it's a hollow existence based on the affirmations of literal dumb whores. Your lifting should be goal oriented with lots of little goals leading up to big milestones. I.e. I bench 185 this week, I bench 225 3 months from now. Basing it on the attraction of females is not a good way to judge progress, most people won't stick to fitness for their life this way. Probably get fat when they find a comfy girl to settle down with in the best case scenario.

>>40726345
From the sounds of it, you seem to be talking about a particular woman not all women in general.

Look bruh, women are a dime busload. Hot bitches are a dime dozen. Whatever chick that won't give you the time of day no matter what you do is not all women.

Grow up, drop the fantasy of getting in her guts or wooing her, and find another woman. This isn't some shitty 80's movie where you can put on cool clothes and get fit and get the prom queen. This is reality.

If one doesn't like what you have to offer, move on. Working out is to make you a fitter stronger and more attractive man. Women love that.
Remember, you are worth something. They until they prove otherwise, are not.

>>40726511
Well no, im talking about women in general
Most of the girls i meet got relationships already, the few who dont got many guys chashing after them

I know its not a 80s movie and im well aware of how reality works
Problem im having myself is in a year i meet maybe 2-3 girls who are single, the rest are taken
if we look beyond me its still a common fact that in all social settings and online dating settings guys chase, girls know this and its a common role we both play
Guys present themselves and girls sort out who they want to date

Right now there are many guys competing for few women and these women have very high demands, you must be a certain way and measure up to her standards but also make her FEEL that you are right for her

if she feels you are wrong in anyway, she wont want you and you need to move on

>>40726089
Further confirmation that women have a weaker sex drive than men: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_bed_death

>>40724665
It's not "wrong" but if you don't get the girl, you're fucked and will probably quit lifting.

>>40726480
Fag who's been lifting for less then a year.
Let me tell you something, brother.
You're going to hit a fucking wall and be too fucking stupid to go passed it.
You'll try to ego lift passed it and injur yourself or you'll do the (lift the same weight for months hoping that whatever sticking point in your muslces will catch up) so you can lift heavier.
But you know what? IT won't

You'll quit, and you'll look like shit, or be injured and have fuck all to show for it except the fact that you lifted heavy once.

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>>40724685
this is so fucking true, although I'd say that there are other things to think off. For instance, most guys gain some significant confidence once they've put on some muscle, and this confidence is what would make you more successful with girls.

Like me for instance, been lifting for 4 years now and I can say that it's thanks to the confidence I gained from looking better that makes it easier to approach girls. Like this guy said, math in a geography test, it isn't the muscles that do it, but rather what they lead too. This is at least what happened to me, I'm much more outgoing now and just a more "fun" guy in general I guess is the word

>>40724672
this

>>40727015
You're that asshole who constantly talks about how all women in your tiny fucking circle of friends are relationshipped up and how you can't bare to settle for women who'll settle for you or something aren't you?

The fuck out of here.
This thread is for people who actually get out there and look, not people who think that not being able to pull bitches in the tiny pond he refuses to leave means that all women are the same.

>>40727188
>aren't you?
No, not at all
almost every girl ive gotten to know, in uni, at work, in martial arts class, in dance class, at the gym and through friends has had a boyfriend
The only place im not looking is online and through tinder because i hate those places since they are stacked against guys to begin with

Girls are not all the same but one traits they all do share is that they have it easier in dating because guys chase after them and getting into a relationship for em is as easy as just accepting the best dude who walks up

>>40725231
would still dive in that booty face first

>>40724764
>you are constantly competing
>girls are not your motivation anymore

And BAM. That's when the girls start lining up.

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Call me a faggot but I think men who equate better body with better women means they are just reducing women to just their bodies, as sexual objects and that's the wrong goal to have with women, therefore by transitive logic is also the wrong goal with lifting. It is the men with great bodies and developed personalities and lives that get top-tier women worth keeping. So get out there and learn something about yourself, such as how many heavy ass diddlydoos can you do?

>>40724665
It's a vain pursuit. Women are vain creatures. It makes all of it worthless. Lift for yourself, your health, strength, a different hobby and if you get women because of it? Great. But SOLEY lifting for women is a waste of time. You could be the most ottermode, 100/10, sexy looking guy and get pussy, but they'll leave you short afterward. If pussy is all your looking for, might as well just buy a flashlight, save some time.

>>40724665
the only people that care about this meme are the insecure, same with height. if you think being /f/it will magically get you pussy youre wrong. talking to women, possibly lots of women will get you pussy no matter what your size and shape. being fit helps though. just the fact that youd ask this autistic bunch of homosexual basement dwellers a question like that shows that you need to work on confidence .

because you can get a girlfriend in literally 1 week if you meet the right one
Your goal shouldnt be something that happens completely randomly in a very short period of term you know

>>40728551
So youre basically saying "Rely completly on luck"

>>40728578
yeah
its fate
like all human relationships
just go outside

>>40726119
this is so true, instead of being a ugly fuck, you will be a ugly fuck with big muscles

>>40724665
what kind of computer is that ?>

looks like a computer on the left that uses the generated heat to power a radiator heater on the right

>>40725129
This mindset is more baffling than lifting to acquire girls.

>>40724665

It's not. What's wrong is lifting for the purpose of getting a SPECIFIC girl. That's just stalker level obsession.

Think of it like this: You're lifting for the girl you haven't even met yet.

>>40725116
Watching animes and looking for that perfect waifu

>>40728639
Ah, lifting to dissapoint and get rejected by girls you havent even met yet
How progressive

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If anything I use my weight losing and lifting as a confidence boost and it helps with my shyness. I've lost about 30 pounds so far and I've done more things that old me never would have done. And speaking to more women in general. Made more of them laugh and want me around too. I'm still a bit shy but I'm slowly getting to a point where I want to be.

I'm think (and hope) I'm going in the right direction about doing this.

Some truths about "Chad":

Spending time in the sun
Sleeping a lot
Talking to girls (lots of them, in person, different ones all the time)
Low-key casual competition on a regular basis
Eating a regular and significant caloric surplus (regardless of macro or micronutrient content)

These are all things that have been shown to raise testosterone. And then you idiots wonder why women flock to "Chad."

>>40724665
God that chick is perfect.

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>>40724671
First reply best reply

>>40724665
Realistically getting fit for ANY reason is a good thing.
It's just better if you do it for you, because then you won't be disappointed if the girl you deem your one and only ends up breaking up with/cheating on you. The idea is don't make your life goal something you personally have no control over m8.

>SL in 2014
>only got to 100/150/200/240
>on and off for a couple of years, still look kinda chubby but frame definitely still bigger than when I started
>met gf last year
>recently told me she liked how big and tall (I'm only 5'10", 200 lbs) I was at first glance when we first met
>we just got engaged

Nothing wrong

For the same reason it is considered wrong to speak as if one is deep for the sake of impressing people
Nobody who knows anything about anything likes dilettantes

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>>40728649

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>>40728649
>animes

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>>40724817

This needs to be higher up, let's upvote him guys

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>>40725129
Yet you'd reject a fat girl if she asked you out. Just look at how stupid you are.

>>40724665
Because that is like listening to Metal just because you wan't to hang out with "the cool kids" and not because you like metal. It's weird and retarded and you shouldn't do it.

We all lift partially to look good, but that shouldn't be the main reason.

My main reason is health and to have more energy in my life.

>>40729115
Not in general no, the only fat girl I actually know is a coworker and I'd say no because she's also a cunt

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