ITT: Unpopular /fit/ related opinions PPL is just something

>>40723567
>Sips are not a good pre-workout

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>>40723579

>>40723567
damn, I was thinking of starting a PPL routine based on this old reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/37ylk5/a_linear_progression_based_ppl_program_for/

are there superior alternatives?

PPL has good volume, hits every muscle group twice a week, allows you to gain strength and often requires one hour or less per day.

...I thought everyone hated this split around here.

>>40723630
PPL slows down your progress. If you are doing say push day and you go hard on bench, how the fuck can you expect to go hard on OHP since it trains similar muscles? It's retarded as fuck and I don't know why this meme caught on.

If you wanna do splits, just fucking do splits. Nobody cares

>>40723650
By that same logic you'd say SS/SL are shit because they do three big compounds a day, but they're not.

>>40723677
SL and SS work different muscle groups
benching and OHP the same day its impossible to replicate the same intensity

>>40723677
>but they're not.

They are if you are not aspiring to be a powerlifter

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>>40723692
building strength builds muscle and muscle builds aesthetics so what're you trying to say

>>40723567
I mean I don't think its an unpopular opinion but

>only losers and dumb cunts do powerlifting

>>40723579
wrong again

>>40723567
I do full body then two-days rest which I spend on 4chan, then I work out again then two days off. It's okay.

>>40723689
Did SL for some months as absolute beginner, bench and ohp often overlapped. Personally I can give my all to a max of 3 compounds, then my intensity fades.
>>40723692
Helped me a lot for noob gains and learn proper form.

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>Squats are a meme

>>40723567
Since I stopped benching, squatting and deadlifting I'm more aesthetic than I have ever been. It's all about isolation exercises if you want to look strong and don't care about being strong. The only time a barbell should ever be in your hands is if you're doing The Press.

>>40723650
whats your routine then? enlighten us idiot

>>40723766
what lifts do you....

>/fit/ always complains about not progressing on OHP when they do it immediately after benching

push pull legs is dumb

at least alternate between doing OHP first and benching first every push workout.

>>40723786
Key Pokes xF

>>40723567
>PPL's are only really good if you're 100% in; diet, sleep and heavy lifting. Even then it's only minimally better
>SL/SS is a meme memes are started by people who don't lift; newfags who didn't lurk believed them
>Trappy mostly gets flak from non lifters
>Cheekie mostly gets flak from literal virgins
>SL/SS is good, but must have accessories; the ones included in the book/program are fucking retarded though. Should be tailored to a trainees desires. Want big traps? Do shrugs. Cookie cutter add ons are retarded
>Sips are the funniest shit I've seen for a long time
>The majority of /fit/ don't lift or are beginners; and the actual heavy lifters are either /frauds/ or left due to autism
>/fit/ should be accompanied by /out/ activites; doing manly (or womanly) shit like climbing mountains, hunting and fishing shit and building cabins and camps
>Functional strength is a meme; it's no different from regular strength
>That being said, most people who lift don't train stabilizing muscles
>Nofap isn't a meme; just reddit cultists took it to meme proportions. In reality, there's nothing wrong with trying to cut out fapping when it becomes unpleasurable or takes over too much free time. Taking 3-4 days of not fapping is only beneficial
>Veganism isn't really that environmental; if you really gave a shit about where your food came from, you'd be doing small scale urban farming and supplementing your diet with homegrown shit
>Height helps in being attractive; it is by no means vital
>It's possible to not look good and give decent advice; it's also possible to look good and give shit advice

>>40723805
>tripfag sympathizer

Oh boy.

If you are 6'1 or above it's literally impossible to not look DYEL unless you are roiding

>>40723626
Been running this for three months. It's actually a great program. Give it a shot, I've made a lot of strength gains on it. That's what I moved to after SS.

>>40723786
PPL
Push:
The Press
Dumbell chest press
Tricep pulldowns
Lateral Raise
Cable Flies
Tricep extensions w/ rope on cables

Pull:
Lat pulldown
Dumbell row
Dumbell bicep curls
Standing lat pulldown
1 arm lat pulldown
Bicep curls w/ cable machine
Face pulls

Legs
Leg extensions
Leg curls
Calf raise
Generic ab workout

I'm sure a bunch of autistic fitfags will tell me this routine is shit but I've made good size gains despite this being my third year of training.

>>40723871
>tfw most of /fit/ can't fathom giving full intensity to two upper body compounds because they're all dyels and have 0 muscular endurance
>tfw /fit/ doesnt train any core because of muh skwats
>tfw /fit/ is probably your horny nephew who masturbates to pictures of Dana Linn Bailey in his mother's bedroom while wearing her clothes.

>>40723863
thanks, that is reassuring.
did you do 3x8-12 on everything or bump the reps down?
3x5 seems more appealing to me but I'm unsure which is better for a beginner

>>40723907
i think 3x5 is good
look up coolcicada ppl for a decent one

PPL with intensity on the first day of the week hitting a muscle and more volume on the second time is the best for me. I wish I tried it earlier.

>>40723704
>>40723704
>>40723704
this

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>>40723567
I do PPL, without the "L".

now what

>>40724020
you have a tiny wiener

>>40723567

> Zyzz' heart was in the right place, but the onslaught of cancerous aestheticsfags he spawned has done more harm than good
> curls are a meme, you can work your biceps enough from rows and pullups
> SL is superior to SS in every way and is the only routine a beginner should be doing

>>40723689
My bench and ohp pr are from the same day.

It's not much at 275 and 195 but it is a pr. And then I do weighted dips.
That same day I did 185 on ohp before my quad locked up for 3. Then I tried 205, then I tried 200, then I did 195. I also did 275 twice on bench because the first one was inches from my chest.

Flat bench might hinder it a little bit, but incline right fucks it.

As long as you're progressing in weight workout to workout, your 1rm will go up. That might not be your true 1rm for ohp, but if you're always doing bench and ohp on the same day, it doesn't matter.

Give yourself an adequate rest period and if you're strong enough you should be fine

>>40723650
It's great if you only have three days out of the week if you can lift.

>>40724020
y-y your head looks almost as big as your entire torso?

are you an honest to god midget?

>>40723824
Kek, if you saw some of the stuff I called cutetomato or that Sol autist you wouldn't be calling me a sympathizer. Trappy had a specific function (spoonfeeding noobs) and only got annoying when drama was caused. Cheekie is fkn hilarious and I'd hazard a guess she spends more time without a trip than with one.

Tripfags are fine on a board like /fit/ where progress is kinda a big thing. Keyword being in "moderation".

>>40724077
I like cheekie. And I want her to bully/ tease me.

>>40724074
im 5'11".
also weird you say that because i have a small head.

>>40724077
Trappy is and was a huge faggot who thought he was always right even when he was blatantly right, and used attention whoring photos and pics to divert attention away from topics.

And he acted like he wasn't trying to attention whore when he fucking pretended to be a girl and made sure everyone knew that in every post.

The guy pretended to be a tranny on a fitness board. What about that seems right to you?

The idea of trappy... well without being a trap, and helping new lifters is a solid idea. The problem is Raffy executed it terribly and stepped on everyone's heels to try and tell them how wrong they were when the reality is he can't read properly.

The funniest thing is he would tell the powerlifting tripfags they were wrong and doing something wrong when it turns out he could only deadlift sub 3plates with terrible form.

>>40723579
>>40723590
LOL epic

>tfw i got kicked out of the /fit/ discord because I bullied too many people for being dyels filled with degeneracy

>>40723650
>how the fuck can you expect to go hard on OHP

Uh, you don't. If you don't even understand how to periodize a PPL properly, you shouldn't be posting advice on /fit/, period.

>>40724140
*blatantly wrong

Also him getting into arguments with that honestpt is hilarious in retrospect considering he also pretended to coach so many people to get massive lifts.

Trappy was just a big ego delusional lying attention whore.

>>40724117
We all do anon. We all do

>>40724140
Yeah, you've got me there, and I'm still butthurt over when Trappy was trying to tell noobs that they should follow some guide for rest breaks, which was clearly retarded. I was one of the people who spoke out against the Trappy attempt at a new sticky. I believe my words were along the lines of "that's retarded".

But I generally gave him points for at least trying to help out noobs. There aren't that many people on /fit/ who do that anymore, and I'm intermediate at best, so I don't feel qualified myself.


It was pretty hilarious seeing him get btfo'd by other tripfags though, but I laugh my ass off at all tripfag on tripfag action.

>>40724136
my head is way too small for my body so i can only train so much or i'll look completely and utterly retarded.

>>40723567
>you can get a perfectly good workout without needing to do any kind of power lifting.
If getting huge and stronger is your goal yeah it's great for that, but if you're just losing weight, it's fine to start small with dumbell exercises and shit.

>>40723579
I agree with that. It's a stupid meme.

I actually tried it exactly once and I felt sick halfway through my workout and had to stop for a few minutes before I could continue. The crash was awful and I felt depressed and like garbage for a couple of days after while my body readjusted.

>>40723871
Do you think you would need to build a strong base before doing this routine? I'm a DYEL. I half assed SS a couple years ago and all I had to show for it was big legs. Also how long does it take each day?

>>40724260
Sipposters incoming

>>40723805
No fap IS a meme.
Anyone normal knows you should take a break if your fapping is like an addiction but the retards pulling months without it because they think they're gonna bust a huge load when all they're gonna do is cum instantly and make the girl laugh at them.

Porn builds unrealistic expectations for sexual encounters but fapping is healthy and natural.

>>40723630
>PPL has good volume
Based on this >>40723626, you average intermediate to advanced powerlifting or weightlifting program has more volume in one workout than these things have in a week.

>>40724275
>Porn builds unrealistic expectations for sexual encounters

the trick is to get a lot of money and hire porn stars or quality whores to fuck. You can even show them the videos you like and pretty much live that shit. Get your life together.

>>40724275
This. Insisting on not fapping can also become an obsession and unhealthy. Most animals who're able to fap, fap occasionally. If you force yourself not to fap when you're really horny, you're just blueballing yourself.

>>40724180
Trappy's site in general was hilarious because you know it was a blatant attempt to be THE source of information. That's also why he helped people, because he wanted to be the guy who people learned from. Which was obvious back then, but even more obvious as time went on. He wanted people to listen to what he has to say, no one else.

That being said, again he would have been a lot better with less ego and less pretending to be a tranny, because he was a great starting off point for people. He didn't have more infor than a simple google search, but he did have the infor directed towards you in a convenient package.

It's a shame a better person doesn't take up his mantle. More people need help here and no one wants to help. Or they don't want to listen too... which might have sullied people's interactions with newbies

>>40724262
I was an intermediate lifter when I started - so a strength base would probably help. But after your first year or so of lifting, unless you are a strength athlete there is literally no reason to keep doing compounds if your goal is aesthetics.

>>40724020
Mirin' the pec line, mind telling me what chest exercises you do?

>>40724262
Oh and it takes me 45 mins - 1 hour for 4 sets of each exercise. No fucking about with long rest in between. Also do 20 mins cardio after each session if you have the time.

>>40724262
It doesn't look like it would take too long at all. Without all the big heavy compounds it should cut down on how much rest you need. And it should tax you less.

Nothing in there looks difficult. It'd be the weight you choose to use which is the difference maker.

Hammer curls are superior to regular curls in every way.

>>40723834
Im Matty and 6'2" and everybody tells me that I look jacked without me talking about lifting in the first place. You either have shit genetics, don't train/eat/sleep enough, or haven't trained for enough years. Stop talking out of your ass.

>>40724431
Also the legs workout is shit.

I'd say switch leg press in for leg extensions.

Add in hip thrusts or glute bridges and take out lying leg curls.

Add in good mornings, or hyperextensions if you don't want another hammy/glute exercise.

You should always train your lower back to some degree. You might not be deadlifting or whatever, but it will help throughout life.

>>40724468
*natty

>>40724480
Is your name Matty at least?

>>40724421
nothing special, i do lots of incline work. incline benchpress, incline DB press, shoulder DB press which is basically incline too.

no flys.
here and there i throw in some flatbench DB press..

>>40723907

The other guy isn't me...But I do the rep scheme they outline. 3x8-12 on the accessories. Otherwise there's no point. Accessory exercises don't respond like compounds do and that's not the point of them.

>>40724303
What's hot in porn isn't always fun in life. Derpthroat hurts if you don't have a floppy nigger dick. You bend that shit at like 45 degrees

>>40725642
Shhh. You're going to destroy 4chan virgins illusions.
Also, hard anal without prior cleansing will end up in a shitstorm, litteraly.

>>40723650
retard

>push1 (heavy bench, volume ohp)
>push2 (heavy ohp, volume bench)

easy

>>40724020
>chest acne
not natty

>>40726896
> Worrying about the tastes of others
Could make it, but still one of the lower goats on the mountain.

noob here. who is Trappy and Cheekie? thanks.

>>40723579
As a sipper, this is true. You're better off using actual pre, cuban coffee, or caffiene pills.

>>40723703
Training for strength and hypertrophy isn't mutually exclusive, but your training style can prioritize one over the other.

>>40723805
>SL/SS is good if you don't do the program

LOL HAHAHAHAHAHA

Trappy gave good advice, and SS is miles better than SL

>>40723626
for strength ppl is good
for aesthetics I would do brosplit
still on full body routine I made decent gains and it takes way less time than a brosplit

>>40723797
I thought this is what everyone did?
It only makes sense
You have to be really dumb to think 100% of people who do ppl bench first both push days

>>40723805
>veganism isn't environmental
>saving hundreds if not over 1000 gallons of water each day by not eating meat isnt environmental
T. Not even a vegan, work in AG

I...

>takes breath

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