Why aren't all doctors fit? With the deep anatomy knowledge

>>40671464

They're ultra-stressed and busy. That's why I'm not a doctor. Software dev master race.

>deep anatomy knowledge

They memorize irrelevant trivia like the names of every single fucking blood vessel so they can spit it back out for a test. Then when they pass they forget all of it and use a reference book.

>>40671464
Are you 12?

>>40671479
this. I'd actually be a better doctor for myself ( just using the internet ) if I didn't need prescriptions.

>>40671464
> With the deep anatomy knowledge they have they should be able to reach max gains with the most effective routine.

They don't all study exercise science and they don't all practice what they preach, most don't give a shit. Hell my bio professor is one of the smartest guys I know and he smokes, he just doesn't care

>>40671464
Med student here.

I'd say its 50/50. Some of us are fat asses and do the typical "I'm so stressed I need comfort food".
Others actually lift, run, watch their diet etc. There's a little qt grill in my class who competes in powerlifting.

>>40671486
I'm 25 bro, been lifting since I was 20. But regularly ask my brother for some rehab/prehab advice for my joints. He knows a lot, I'm just wondering why not use all that for himself. But he is just like fuck that, I don't need it.

>>40671464
https://youtu.be/V7gXhPUs0dk?t=1528
This guy is a coroner his job is to cut open dead people for a living, he sees the effects of being fat daily. Yet he still is fat himself.

>>40671503
This, have a qt grill who does physique and two powerlifters.
Which med school my man?

>>40671524
melbourne

>>40671517
Exactly my point!

>>40671528
nice work chad, do you hit first aid for usmle step 1?

>>40671541
Used it for cramming my exams last year its bretty good. Also Toronto notes. Where you at?

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>>40671517

>>40671478
fuck yeah bro, working on becoming a software dev myself. generally speaking, how is it? low or high stress?

Every single person knows that exercise is good, sugar, junk food, etc. is bad for you.

It's easy to preach, not always easy to do.

>>40671577

Varies and depends on the company you work for. In general, it is often ranked as one of the least stressful occupations, so I recommend it highly.

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>>40671558
Rate it, i'm across the ditch in auckland

>>40671608
>writing my undergrad capstone paper on the prevalence of inmate assaults on staff in federal and state prisons
>every source I read just makes me hate beaners, tontos and niggers even more than before

>>40671608
No clue brah, just learnt the difference b/w IBD and IBS last week lol

>>40671587
Yeah. I know enough about lifting that I should be in the 1000 club because I've been on /fit/ for seven years or so. But I'm still a skinnyfat motherfucker.

My sister's fiancé is in his last year of his residency. His days consist of 12-16 hours at the hospital and then several hours at home afterwards spent preparing for presentations. He may have a single day "off" each week. What time is there for strength-training?

>>40671608
all of the options there are for ulcerative colitis except D. Just by picking the odd one out it looks like the answer

terminal ileum is also pretty classical site for Crohn's which shows transmural granulomatous inflammation on biopsy making D all the more likely

pathology is painful.

>>40671608
>>40671528
lmfao Ausie med schools are a joke, mid tier MD school reporting.

>>40672046
in the US

>>40671479
You are objectively wrong.

t. med student

>>40672046
>
which school? Also enjoy massive student debt and 80 hour weeks as an intern

>>40671608
Lol this question is way too easy compared to what you actually get in step 1.

>>40671464

Because they get a qt 10/10 just by virtue of being a doctor and massive social approval just by virtue of being a doctor, massive ego boost by virtue of being a doctor.

When you get the rewards anyway most folks won't bother with the effort.

>>40671478
>software dev
>not stressed

you're in for a surprise

I'm a Dutch med student.
Fat med students are extremely rare. Out of my year of 300 people there are only around 10-20 visibly overweight. And out of everyone i see walking around there are only 2 real fatasses in my uni (only the medicine part). Mostly everyone is at least thin and doing some sports, usually they play Sth like hockey, tennis or they go running. Not many lift weights (at least not regularly).
Also I chuckle'd at the fags thinking they'd be a better doctor for themselves then doctors would be. Maybe for finding out what injury you got from lifting or you have a cold but any disease that goes beyond common knowledge requires a lot more training too accurately diagnose and treat than just being a Google pro. The thing you don't understand is a lot of diseases don't follow the textbook exactly and 'diagnosing' is more than just having a checklist of symptoms and seeing if they match.

I'm an intensive care trainee and I lift more than all of you.

>>40671464

Also the answer to this question is that it's because 90% of doctors are fucking nerds

>>40672545
I didn't have a disease that went beyond common knowledge my entire life. I still had to go to the doctor because we are hostages to your prescriptions. I could've taken care of it myself desu.

>>40671464
Knowing how to do something doesn't necessarily make you good at it.

>>40672660
Some people can take care of it themselves that doesn't mean the general public can. Free access to prescription drugs would make a lot of people fuck themselves up.

Practicing medfag here.

Most of the people I studied or work with were of average weight/fitness. So not shredded lifters but not fatties either. That said, there were more people who were into sports or lifting than fatties. You do sometimes need comfort food on your shift, but you rarely have time to eat much because here we're overworked + payed by the act, so taking a break is literally a waste of money.

Also the endocrinology knowledge we get and easy access to safe roids is a plus if you want to /fraud/, two of my friends are doing it and are huge now.

>>40671478
implying thats the only reason you're not a dcotor lol

>>40671464
Not exactly a doctor but im a Microbiology undergrad hoping to complete a masters in Immunology. Had a class based on the ways cancer begins at a cellular level with some auxiliary stuff on the clinical aspects of it.

One month in I quit a 7 year smoking habit cold turkey (that was 6 months ago). I figure it goes down to people just being arrogant about their own mortality even though they're effectively an expert on what's killing them.

EMT student here. Class is mostly average kids, but like 8/10 of the instructors are obese.

Most of them are paramedics or ex-firefighters too.

>>40671577
Same as any other job. If what you're doing isn't important, there's no stress. If you're carrying a company on your shoulders, incredibly high stress.

>>40671464

I am nearly a doctor and I have managed to stay fit the entire time.

This schedule is hell. The work environment is hell. Bouncing all over the country for interviews is hell.

Literally if you do not know calisthenics you cannot stay fit through medical school because there are a lot of times when a gym is simply not an option due to schedule, lack of money, lack of sleep, or lack of even being in the same place for long enough.

Most doctors are essentially "high functioning retards," they know a lot of stuff but are still essentially retarded in how they think and approach life. They are smart enough to memorize nerd facts, but underneath they typically just want to buy watches and iphones and play golf. They are materialistic idiots and glorified office drones.

>>40671493

actual plebian found

doctor here

if you thought going to university for 6+ years and another 5-10 after that to specialise was as good as a search engine, cheers m8

10/10 points for getting me mildly triggered

This thread talking about grills in their classes competing pisses me off. Privileged kids not working a d having mommy and daddy pay for med school whole they power lift and compete and study. Fucking cunts

>>40674252
There's obviously more to it, but it's not unreasonable to suggest a system where you put in symptoms and get out likely diagnosis could take the place of your local GP.

>>40674270
>Not having a hobby that keeps you sane that also has scientifically proven mental gains

lol the med school crew at my school usually works out at my gym DLing/squatting 3-4 plaets.

they always wear their med school gym shirts, and people just look at them with envy since its a top school.

>>40674235
>Most doctors are essentially "high functioning retards,

So just like everyone else?

>>40674279

entirely unreasonable

and i'm only stating that because you added on the 'take the place of your local GP'

key word 'likely diagnosis'
- what if it was cancer (medical people will get this emedicine meme)
- early signs of a very bad disease which needs fixing asap (ie. heart attack, or something less urgent like 70% occluded CAD)
- something thats not the likely diagnosis

telehealth does wonders, but even then has shortcomings with not being able to examine in person, see signs and symptoms up close, and a lot of other things

we're happy if you google and come to us for a conversation about what you're worried about, but suggesting something as you've said is definitely unsafe and irresponsible in my books.

>>40674315
That's the real secret. There's a preconception that certain professions require you to be more intelligent than others. You put your life into the hands of your Doctor, you want them to be smarter then you, but really, they've just specialised differently.

>>40674345
Around 770,000 people die from a doctors misdiagnosis each year so it might as well be tried to see what happens to that number

>>40674345
We trust technology with nuclear reactors and flight control. Personal health is a sacred cow for the minute, but in ten years, if someone has a machine as reliable as a controller for a nuclear reactor for health diagnosis, it'd be irresponsible to not use it.

>>40674132
>Most of them are paramedics or ex-firefighters too.
That makes some sense, paramedics have a tendency to become overweight from eating too much fast food while on shift. If they're working late at night/morning hours they're pretty much stuck in their vehicles with mcdonalds

Ex-firefighters eat too much after they can't do extensive physical work anymore, they need to cut back or go to the gym

>>40674367

Unfortunate numbers, and a doctor's worst nightmare. I'll agree - it's always good to question the system and strive towards betterment.

Computers and technology definitely have an important role in improving and moving forward healthcare, interesting to see what developments we'll have coming out way.

>>40671464
You're fucking retarded with no idea how the medical field works. With the hours worked and workload when on call there's no time to have an actual strength routine that gives results and is borderline impossible to keep a good sleep routine and eat enough calories to build sufficient muscle. Doctors often work back to back 17 hour shifts with just six gen hours between. In those ten hours you're supposed to get home, eat, workout, sleep, get up and get ready for work again. Basically impossible.

t. nurse who've worked with doctors on a daily basis for years.

>>40674405
For some diseases there's LAT tests that you could perform quite easily at home (they trust nigs in africa to be able to do it).

The only context I know it in is for parasitic worms (attach worm protein to small beads in coloured suspension, add patient's serum, if the beads all stick together the person has that disease).

Tests are becoming more and more simple and with the right tools even a moron could perform a more sophisticated ELISA test - I expect in about 20-30 years there will be machines that you can just drop your blood into and detect any disease.

Only thing doctors will be good for at that point is noticing physical conditions or performed medical procedures.

>>40671493
I hate patients like you. God forbid you get in a traumatic accident and need to triage your own gaping wounds and crashing vitals using a fucking search engine.

>>40672545
What uni you at?

How many fucking doctors are there on this board?

>>40674497
Idk. There are medfags here that aren't MDs.

t. EMT

>>40674497

Not a doctor but I'm a nurse. Gonna specialize in anesthesia.

>>40674466
Hmmmm interesting, I work in technology and I work 45+ hour weeks, then overtime at antisocial hours (think 4.00am on a Sunday, 3.00am on workdays) and I still have time to train an hour a day.
Oh yeah and I do on call one week out of every 3.

>>40672073
He's right, though. Most med students are dumb as fuck and they believe in myths, like the steroid boogeyman, and all that other stuff.

>>40672545
you're a glorified mechanic who doesn't do anything mildly rigorous. biology isn't even a real science m8.

>>40674473

doctoro here

i've always thought about it
- i could probably do the same job as my boss - but thats if i spent hours longer researching the one patient in depth, using all the evidence based sources i could find, and then devising a sound management plan in place
- and by the time ive finished i'll only have done my job for one patient

one thing's doing it efficiently and effectively within a hospital/practice setting
- the other is that i don't have the experience of having dealt with all the different variations and iterations these diseases come with, and being able to adjust management /drug plans to account for all the changes. and please note i'm really just simplifying this.

i think it's because people have this concrete view of medicine - how it always has to be just one diagnosis, and when you get it wrong you're wrong, you're bad. but you have to realise everything (and i mean, everything) that we do is always on a chance/risk/calculating basis - we're really using all we can to come up with what we believe to be the best solution, which can often not be the right solution in retrospect.

I guess you'll always have people that believe doctors dont do shit, and can't convince em otherwise, but hey, just know we're humans just like you and we're out there trying our best every day - for you.

>>40674558

sorry if it wasnt obvious that first part was at the comment of any person being able to google their way through their disease without consulting a doctor at all

>>40674523
>anesthesia

This the most alpha non-surgical specialty. Watch out for the drug abuse in your coworkers though.

>>40674558
>thats if i spent hours longer researching the one patient in depth, using all the evidence based sources i could find, and then devising a sound management plan in place
>and by the time ive finished i'll only have done my job for one patient

You in oncology or something?

>>40674558
You've not really responded at all to what I said. I said there are tests that can definitively tell you exactly what disease you have based on whether or not your body has mounted an immune response against it, just by using a serum sample. These tests are lacking in specificity and sensitivity currently, but I expect they will soon complete obfuscate the need for doctors to diagnose pathogen-based diseases.

The need for doctors to diagnose physical ailments and perform medical procedures will likely never go away.

I'm simply saying that while people think they can just drop their symptoms into WebMD and not need a doctor, within a few decades you really will be able to just drop your blood in a machine and be told exactly what disease(s) you have.

t. Immunology student

>durrr hurr imma stress
>hurrr durrr comfort fud

even if you are overstressed, why not simply eat less. You can always eat less even if you are working. The only reason why a person is fat, is because is too dumb.

>>40674594

I debated on whether to specialize in intensive care, surgical nursing or anesthesia. Decided on the latter because intensive care is too much ambulating patients and you can never leave the bedside, surgical is too much standing up and too much equipment to keep track off. Anesthesia is a bit more high risk because of all the monitoring but at least I get to decide between sitting down and standing up during suergery.

I'll be sure to check if some Fentanyl goes missing.

>>40674606

yeah you're not wrong - immunology already is, but will continue to be mindblowing in what it can find and achieve.

we already do use some of those technologies in the way youve described

if you're saying the gen public can do it and manage their disease themselves, thats another bag of worms, but if youre just saying we'll have the tech so people 'can' theoretically do it, then yeah i agree

>>40674603
nah sorry i'm not, but what i wrote pretty much applies to everything - whether it be surgical or medical (applies osmewhat reasonably for critical care too, but thats another whirlwind in itself)

>>40674620

haha when your whole career choice is dependent on whether you can sit down or not

>>40671577
My company roller coasters with projects. Sometimes 50+ hour weeks, sometimes I do 2 hours of actual work a day.

>>40674479
god forbid a layman does an aspect of your job better than you.

what a pathetic false equivalency from a typical neurotic doctorjew

>>40674712

I also find pharmacology, pharmakinetics, circulatory and respiratory balance and anesthesia in general to be more interesting and fulfilling, obviously.

>>40674712

Standing up for long periods of time for decades destroys your back

I'm in med school and it is manageable if you study regularly and not just before exams, I ilft, eat right and have some time for myself. Are people really this bad at stress management?

Not talking to doctors of course cause I'm not one yet, but students have no excuse not to be fit

>>40674738

doing anaesthesia atm, loving it I'll say. very interesting, I totally know i'm never gonna be smart enough to be a full blown anaesthetist aha

>>40671464
Because in addition to working shitty hours with you almost always finishing 1-2 hours after your shift ended doctors are no different than everybody else and would rather eat and watch tv than lift.

t. Dentist who is doing an fy2 job in maxfax

>>40674793
getting pudgy and weak is not the same as getting fat as fuck.

Just about everyone works really hard and is tired at the end of the day, though I know medicine is at the very extreme of these circumstances.

that said, three people I knew in undergrad are physicians now and only one of them is now turbofat. the other two look exactly the same, and the fit one still looks fit, but he's a team physician for a soccer club and obviously has more chances to lift.

Hey medfags how much will I hate my life getting ready for and passing step 3?

>>40674700
Completely untrained African teachers are able to perform LAT tests for tropical worms on schoolchildren. I think fairly soon ELISA testing will be very available to the public by providing plates with pre-bound antigens for diseases and the means to extract a serum sample in a kit.

>>40674712
kek
Also med fag here, I'm considering orthopaedia for similar reasons...

>>40674891
Nigga I'm still losing my shit over step 1

Because you don't need to look good when you're a doctor, women just get wet at the sight of a MD.

>>40672111
Rochester

You're right about the debt but it's whatever, I slayed my Step 1 and I'll match whatever I want.

Bless medical school folks. Y'all work hard as hell for the recognition and money. But goddamn if you aren't a bunch of martyrs about it.

>>40674270
No one works during med school, poor and rich alike.

>>40674235
golf is dope though

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>>40671464
>With the deep anatomy knowledge they have they should be able to reach max gains with the most effective routine
Anatomy knowledge needed for lifting is very basic: muscles, bones, some kinesiology. Arguably, lifting physiology is far more complex as it involves hormones, nutrition and hypertrophy on specific settings not usually covered in med school, but granted med students will be able to learn it far more easily than avg Joe. This is to say that obviously most doctors knows jackshit about lifting and sports specifics, usually trying to make fit general medical knowledge instead of actually doing their research. The ones that do study the subject, tho, are great resources, such that Evidence Based Fitness guy. He's based af.

All in all, what really matters in lifting is proper:
> nutrition
> lifting
> sleeping

As a med student, me and most of my colleagues usually have little time for sleeping (6h daily tops), both somewhat irregular nutrition and somewhat irregular training because of schedules. Still, half of my class is physically active, if not fit, and half skinny fat; no obese people. Not a single serious lifter tho, most guys are doing bro splits and all girls are either skinnyfats or cardio bunnies.

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>>40673332
Lol how do you explain that to your co-workers ? That's kinda what's holding me back from just getting bigger. I am now at sorta my natty peak(I'm not even gifted or anything) and people already joke about me using roids.

>>40674347

I am >>40674235 .

Well, they are "smarter" in the sense that they can process more information than you, faster and more precisely.

They are no smarter in the fact that they do not ask themselves what really matters or what the point of anything is, and thus realize it's important to develop discipline and self mastery even if your lifestyle doesn't require it.

They are scientifically genius but philosophically braindead.

>>40671464
Literally everyone knows smoking is unhealthy, yet people still do it.

>>40671464
being rich means chicks will fuck you even if you are fat

>>40674727
I bet you're salty that your doctor wouldn't give you unlimited Percocet after you tried some your friend had and it "really helped your back pain".

>>40674727
I hate to be a dick about it but you lay people don't know what you don't know.

Trying to WebMD your own medical treatment could literally kill you. I have seen people fuck themselves up doing that, just from the sheer lack of knowledge they have.

It doesn't mean you're "dumber" than us, but it means you haven't put in your 12 years of learning about all of this stuff in autistic detail, and if you're playing with your health, the details actually matter.

>>40675732
This is so true. I'm a second year med student and so many of my classmates can recite complex pathology and memorize charts of pharm information, but seem to be vacant human beings in general. My roommate makes fun of me for reading in my spare time ffs and a lot of people consider Netflix a hobby. I know this extends to people in general, but basically medical students and I'd assume some doctors are no different than the average layman in terms of character development. Studying on end for hours every day is shitty and builds self discipline, but besides that I don't admire a lot of what my clsssmates bring to the table.

How the fuck do you guys stay motivated studying for step1? I'm so sick of this shit

>>40677857
Idk breh I take mine in may and I already want to fucking kill myself

>>40671464
doctors don't study exercise science

>>40675618
My friend just tells others he's natty, not to look cool but to avoid the judgement most people have of roid users.

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>>40677857

If you don't want to noose yourself before and during step 1 you ain't doing it right.

Having dedicated study blocks with break blocks is making it slightly less painful though

>>40671464
Why aren´t all programmers calculating machines? With the deep algorithm knowledge they have, they should be able to perform difficult arithmetic operations the most eficiente way.

>>40671479
Im guessing you dont find it irrelevant trivia when you need a surgery.

>>40671493
Yeah right.

>>40672545
med fit here as well. I can relate to everything you said. I guess that when one of them breaks a leg, they will go ask Google what to do. Or maybe when they have insomnia or whatever symptom they can look at the endless diagnostic possibilities that come on a search engine and then pick the one that they like the most and medicate themselfs for it.

>>40672660
Because it would be feasible to let everyone have access to all sorts of prescription drugs right? Drugs that can kill if you take the wrong dose? Drugs that have multiple interactions?

>>40674252
Its probably the same kind of retart that thinks that copying stuff from stackoverflow equals being a programmer

>>40674466
You are the first nurse I see advocating doctors. Thanks ;)

>>40675243
That is true! But you know, I have never seen a group of more dedicated people than when I went into med school. Everyone is an absolute machine.

>>40671464
They are trash in terms of sport effects in health ~ they sell pills to cover symptoms

t. my doctor gf

>>40671508
maybe because he doesn't lift??? so he doesn't need to be constantly mindful of his joints because he's not doing weights??

i think you answered your own question

>>40679130
>Why aren´t all programmers calculating machines?
Oh, but we are, Anon.

>>40679130
youre a fag

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Since there are so many medi-brahs in here

My bones look like this

Can I lift?

>>40681787
WTF is wrong with you? I mean like, I'm guessing you have a diagnosed condition?

>>40681787
That shit on top row looks like osteosarcoma da fuck. oO

>>40681787
Why don't you ask the ortho who ordered those images?

If you want to talk about your condition, I'm definitely interested.

>>40681085
t. triggered fat doctor

>>40671464

Their work i emotionally, physically, and mentally exhausting and stressful. A lot of them go to smoking or drinking because of how tiring it is. My mom's a nurse and I've worked in a hospital as well where literally ALL the nurses chain smoked or the doctors would go out for drinks later, so yeah.

Modest C's get degrees, OP.

Young Neurosurgeon here (yeah, that's right, fit is one guilty pleasure)
First post also, for the first time I feel obligated to reply
You guys cant imagine the amount of work and days I invested in my education
For all of you who dont know the details of our world, let me tell you that neurosurgery makes every other med specialty look kids play
Having said that, I trained boxing in almost all of my premed and med years
When my knee failed I started lifting until my final residency years, when basically it was physically imposible.
Now finally when everything is over, I returned to the Gym and currently regain 85% of my previous lifts

So, to put it easy for you all, not every md is a lardass
I could crush your skull and then fix it at 4;00 AM just in time for my morning oats and whey ;)

PS: I had my whey hidden in the hospital lockeroom The entire time

PS2: white neurosurgeon / boxer masterace

Young Neurosurgeon here (yeah, that's right, fit is one guilty pleasure)
First post also, for the first time I feel obligated to reply
You guys cant imagine the amount of work and days I invested in my education
For all of you who dont know the details of our world, let me tell you that neurosurgery makes every other med specialty look kids play
Having said that, I trained boxing in almost all of my premed and med years
When my knee failed I started lifting until my final residency years, when basically it was physically imposible.
Now finally when everything is over, I returned to the Gym and currently regain 85% of my previous lifts

So, to put it easy for you all, not every md is a lardass
I could crush your skull and then fix it at 4;00 AM just in time for my morning oats and whey ;)

PS: I had my whey hidden in the hospital lockeroom The entire time

PS2: white neurosurgeon / boxer masterace

>>40671464
I go to a chiropractic college and there is a large handful (kek) of obese students on campus. For a bunch of holistic, non-GMO, grass fed water faggots, there sure is a lot of obesity. Still don't understand it.