Anons I want a program that both builds strength and also muscle

>pec dec

faggot detected

>>40577705
kill yourself it's added so much size to my chest since I started using it

anyway should I just do a modified version of ICF?

>>40577676
You're probably a beginner. Most would advise against making your own program.
Most of the recommended programs are supposed to give you a strength/asthetics compromise anyway. You could also try Fierce 5, Casey Butt's Routine or Allpro's (if you don't mind the slow increase).

>>40577761
ayop I think I'm just going to do my own shit

Day A (upper):

Bench press 3x5
Pec dec 3x8-12
OHP 3x5
Pull ups 3x8-12
Lateral Raise 3x8-12
Tricep pulldown 3x8-12
Curls 3x8-12

Day B (lower):
Squats 3x5
Deadlift 3x5
Leg press 3x8-12
Hanging Leg Raises 3x8-12
Ab shit 3x8-12
Pull ups 3x8-12
Curls 3x8-12

AxBxAxx

I don't trust other people's shit, it looks sketchy and time-wasty

>pull-ups twice for maximum lat gains, lats are based and are best when they're wide af, they can't be too wide
>curls twice for maximum bicep gains, my biceps gain slow so I need 'em

Why advise against making my own program? People are different and it's not like I'm going to land a plate on my head by doing my own shit which still does the compounds lifts + accessories and gives enough time inbetween to recover

>>40577803
Why would you make this thread then, you turd? You talked down posters and answered yourself. You never gonna make it

>>40577803
if you want to do your own program, then just go ahead and do it, don't annoy strangers asking for validation

>>40577803
>Why advise against making my own program?
'Cause you're not even aware of the shit you don't know. If anything, your "routine" looks "sketchy and time-wastey." Enjoy a year or 2 of no gainz, maybe you'll come to your sense then.

>>40577803
This sounds like bait but anyway. I'm new and don't know shit about what works and what doesn't so I wouldn't make my own and couldn't tell you if yours is any good. What I do know is that people on this board seem to get angry if you follow a routine that's not in the sticky. I also know that they're a bunch of fat autists so yeah.

>>40577829
I'm displaying my argument. I'm interested in different opinions so I can come to a certain conclusion that will have convinced me to get optimum gains.

>>40577830
Read above.

>>40577832
I've made good gains so far just fucking about lmao.

>>40577835
Isn't bait, and yeah you're right but I have anomatical experience + been doing calisthenics for a year.