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Steroids General.

Time to start upping the cardio and leaning out for slut season.

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>>40507562
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Hello
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In for cyclist legs
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>>40516736
I run the stuff from costco, usually one cap (300mg) a day but if I'm running a ton of gear ill do 2x a day.

>>40515242
You ever figure out a good recipe for that DHB? I want to get off tren for a little while but pick up another good compound and I was planning on DHB but damn, nobody can brew it at 200mg/ml.
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I'm so psyched because I found a local source. A bro I knew through a friend; they just broke up and I knew he roided, so I hit him up on FB and asked if he could talk. He was like "nah I'm not much of a phone talker" and I was like "well I don't want a record of what we talk about" and he was like "ok call me"

he set me up with an app that encrypts messages and they automatically delete after a set time. I just put in an order for var and NPP and I'm psyched!
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>>40516826
for how much? no reason to buy if hes overpricing like a faggot.
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>>40516638
>140mg Test P/wk
ok
>2.1g Tren A/wk
kek
>700mcg Clen&T3/wk
kek

will not die but feel like it at some point

stats? out of mere curiosity
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>>40516850
The NPP is high, $100 per vial for 200mg/ml

I can't remember the price of the var, but I asked for an oral suspension with an eyedropper, like how Chem used to provide it. It's 50 mg/ml but I forget the volume and the price.

I know it's high but I feel safer and more convenient than doing the whole Western Union thing.

Also the two sources I ever used I found on here, and both were awesome. Ever since mods cracked down I feel like it's less convenient to find good sources so I figured I'd give the in person thing a try.
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>>40516894
>NPP is high, $100 per vial for 200mg/ml
lol, is it a 1L vial?
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>>40516914
>not buying your gear in milk jugs
never gonna make it
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>>40516894
haha okay dude.

>rather take local sources over sources with posted labmax and bloodworks
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>>40516914
>>40516949
Shit now you guys are making me second guess my decision.
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>>40516914
Its unfortunate that such a great face is on a body with breasts like that

>>40516894
>100 per vial
Holy shit

Want some winny? ;)
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>>40516852
what the actual everloving fuck
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>>40516964
>unfortunate
s-sorry they're not AAs.

>>40516962
good, you should be.
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Is there even such a thing as NPP at 200 mg/ml? I just checked sst and the most I see on there is 150.
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>>40516894
>$100 per vial for 200mg/ml

Gotta love the street game.
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>>40516894
P.S. Enjoy your crippling pip at that concentration
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>>40517042
By now you should know the rules of this thread
Im very disapointed in you
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Okay, I just started doing roids.
This is what I got up to naturally.

On the first two weeks I am on 250 mg of test e and 200 mg of deca a week and then from the third week on I will be on 500 mg of test and 300 mg of deca.
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>age 24
>time spent lifting 3 years (I did other sports before)
>bf% 15%
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>tfw you will never be a manlet with a 14 inch wingspan that makes your arms look big in pics

Why live
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>>40517212
Oh and I am about 215 lbs and 6'0.
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>>40517212
why go with lower dosage first? basically makes your first two weeks a waste.
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>>40517263
You can look like Frank Zane or Zyzz
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>>40517042
would breed even if dog filter was actually there irl, holy shit i have all sorts of feels right now most of which pic related
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How come powerlifters in the 70s had the best physiques?
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>>40517212
Mirin just about everything, dayum son.
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>>40517212
>>40517285
>6'0

Don't start off on the wrong foot by lying to us
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>>40517290
Because I am a first time user, also you have to ease into this because you introduce new chemicals to your body, to get used to it.

Even my friend who is a more experienced user starts with lower dosages first.


>why go with lower dosage first? basically makes your first two weeks a waste.


An avarage male produces about 4-7 mg testosterone a day, I don't think so mate.
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>>40517328
Whatever you want to believe then
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>>40517315
Because lifting heavy shit.
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>>40516852
I'll report back after the cycle provided I dont die
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>>40517339
you have no idea how the enanthate ester works

sad!
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>>40517348
My dick is longer than your forearms.

If telling the truth you must be THICC... in which case, I jelly.

I think you're lying tho or have magic cam angles.
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>>40517381
Well, tell me then
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>>40517396
It lasts about 7 days in your system.

Your blood levels build slowly as time progresses.

Speaking of blood levels, is there a steroidplot.com equivalent still around? That would help demonstrate it best.
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>>40517396
>>40517409
steroidcalc.com
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>>40517409
I know that, still I have to let my body get used to it.
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>>40517409
Found it: http://steroidcalc.com/

Put your dosage in there and see for yourself.
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>>40517448
It's a 14 week cycle dude
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>>40517448
Just gone on that site. I've previously always used test e pinning once a week. From that it looks like that leaves significant fluctuations. Is it better to pin twice a week half the dosage?

I thought it was fine to just do it all in one go. Same with tren.
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>>40517514
Absolutely I pin twice a week with all enanthate/cypionate esters.

Not sure what you mean by tren, what's the ester?
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>>40517514
You need to mix up your pinning frequency for maximum ester confusion

But really once a week isnt enough for enth
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>>40517550
Tren e
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>>40517550
I hate pinning to be honest. I reckon I'll still just pin once a week. 1ml of tren 200mg and 2ml test 300mg all in the same syringe. Much better than having to pin 2-4 times a week at lots of different sites.
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Does anyone cruise on 300 mg? Or is that too high.
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>>40517550
I will pin twice a week from the third week dude, but I handed 450 mg pretty well.

Do you think I can pin twice from this week?

I really don't mind
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>>40517592
>not respecting the tren
[doubt]
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>>40517609
*Handled
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>>40517610
Wot u mean by this?
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>>40517391
Don't have to mention your dick dude...
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>>40517650
Of course he does. He has tiny dick. Lying makes him feel better.
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>>40516783

because it's fucking impossible without massive amounts of multiple supersolvents

gonna try 100mg/ml and see if it holds, there's like 15 different people that want a piece of it's g2g
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>>40517448
So how is this then?
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>>40517759
That's good.
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>>40517715
> get plastic surgery
> wear fitness clothes
> suck dick
Woweee so heaalthy!
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anyone get lumps after they subq'd and if so how long did it take yours to go away?

I switched to IM for my 3d pin but my lump from my first pin is still there.
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>>40517787
can you shut the fuck up with this shit already you fat piece of shit?
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>20
>200 lbs
>8 week cycle 500mg test e and dbol
Thoughts, /fraud/?
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umm, why the hostility?
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>>40517812
>8weeks

Kill yourself, those are my thoughts.
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>>40517812
thoughts: kill yourself
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Approaching week 2 of 14 week test c cycle. 250mg pinned twice weekly

How long does it take to start gaining strength/size
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>>40517844
Hi, reddit.

Do you prefer 16 weeks?
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>>40517844
>>40517851
ayy lmao
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>>40517868
I prefer 20 weeks desu.
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>>40517864
15 weeks.
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>>40516730
Why are you bleeding so much? Use a smaller gauge needle.
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>>40517883
Use 21 gauge.

> daily reminder that if you're not harpooning yourself full of a gram of test every week with tears streaming out of your eyes you are a FAGGOT
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>>40516782
>goofy flat feet
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>>40517881
Shush faggot
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>>40517787
You are fat and will get side effects from all the estrogen that's about to hit you. Hope you have an AI ready.
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>>40517993
b-but i have low e2
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>>40517787
you injected too much subq my dude

>>40517993
that is literally the most unrelated thing you could say
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>>40516894
Are you not able to use BTC for some reason? There are plenty of good sources outside of /fraud/ on that other le website
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>>40518118
I haven't figured out how to use BTC yet. I once tried going to one of those cricket wireless places that supposedly sell BTC but when I went they said they don't do that any more.
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>>40518035
only .5ml of test e 400, I was thinking either;
A) Reaction to the oil
B) Not pinning deep enough
C) This may be common and im just over analyzing everything.

Im going to go buy some benadryl for the fuck of it and see if it helps though.
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How much did you guys gain on your first test only cycle? I'm 6'2" 185 and hoping to gain 20 pounds of solid muscle. Hoping for 15 pounds with my second cycle. Realistic? Diet and training are spot on.
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>>40517822
Roid rage senpai
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>>40517868
I prefer blast and cruise m8
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>>40518235
The high concentration probably isn't helping
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Running 250 test a week atm, while cutting, high trt/cruise dose.
Still to fat, but what would happen if i keep losing weight and up it to 500test, babies first cycle.

Cut down till lower bodyfat and then hop on the first cycle or waste some mass cause keep on cutting while doing first cycle.
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>>40518369
Redpill me on HCG /fit/. Thinking about using it for my next test tren (both e) cycle.
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>>40518349
Probably not, I tried to do research before starting but didnt find anything on the subject, It looks like I learned my lesson. I just hope they go away soon as they are very un aesthetic
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>>40518400
I heard that it reduces inflammation and increases feelings of wellbeing?
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>>40518171
If you have a bank account and credit/debit card then just use Coinbase. It's super convenient. Even if your rl source turns out to be good, nice to have the internet as a backup
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>>40518467
If they don't go away on their own any GP worth his salt should be able to fix you up under a local. The only problem is getting the lecture that comes with it.
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>>40518529
>"yeah i was injecting steroids"
>"what the hell how are you so fat then..."
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>>40517315
Survivorship bias. Nobody talks about the mediocre lifters of that day. barely-escaped-DYELs of the 70s didn't instagram themselves 12 times a ady.
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Real talk, do steriods really cause health problems like small testicles or heart problems?
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>>40519284
kys
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>>40519284
>small testicles
>problem

I havent sat on my balls in years and I can sit cross legged above the knee extremely comfortably
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>>40519284
>small testicles
Yes but they go back to normal after your cycle.
>Heart problems
If you abuse serious blasts or serious long cruises or just serious high dosages yes.

A medium cycle or two wont do a whole lot to your heart.
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>>40519284
I'm gonna piggy back of this question but I just started my first cycle of test and anadrol and I noticed my shits have been pretty nasty like I feel like I did when I used to drink 75 beer a week and eat a poutine from Harveys every lunch yet I am eating clean right now. Is this a side effect of steroids?
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Can bunk mk-677 cause shut down ?
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>>40519528
that's a stupid question

"bunk" mk677 could be anything. maybe you got dbol, winny, sdrol, etc. that would shut you down.
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Here are results so far from Reddit and fraud: Age at first pin

http://www.strawpoll.me/12420315/r
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>>40517894
25 gauge forever.
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>>40519569
Majority, of small sample, pinning before 23

>anyone got the keksimus maximus animated legion gif?
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GF signed us up for fancy new gym that has 3 oly platforms with brand new Eleiko equipment.
Never really been interested in Olympic lifting though.

So many attractive people though.
FL please bring back lvl100
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did an 8wk ostarine cycle at 15mg ed, 1st day of no ostarine I feel like garbage no motivation to gym study, or even cook.

this is rough man
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>take prohormones
>juicy and lean
>decide to use roids
>become super hungry and lose all self-control
>lift harder to offset hunger
>brain affected so I don't care, I just eat
>get fat but strong as fuck
>stop roids
>hormones all fucked up regardless of PCT
>3 years later and can't even drink coffee because it knocks me out
>test down in 400s
>thyroid shitty

WEW. I should have just stuck to prohormones.
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>>40519902
k
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>>40519828
I started roiding at 18. Just been cruising with 1-2 blasts a year for 9 years.
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Why isn't everyone brewing their own steroids and selling them?

Literally what's the downside? It just occurred to me that I could make a lot of money doing this in Canada and I see no possible downsides besides it being a little illegal.
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>>40520103
Risk, still live with their parents, too pussy.

I know for a fact as soon as I get my own place im buying some raws and selling shit.
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How important is to run an Al while you are on your cycle?


I am on 500mg of test e and 300 mg of deca a week
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>>40520136
are you retarded?

do you enjoy fucking your body up with sky high estrogen levels? do you want tits?
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>>40520149
No, so explain to me
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>>40520103
getting caught maybe retard

>>40520157
kill yourself
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>>40520134
I'd imagine it to be pretty sketchy selling irl. Must be real fucking retarded to deal with normies' concerns.
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>>40520136
>>40520157
lmao

you didn't do enough research pre-cycle and now you're fucked

too bad!
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>>40520136
The AI controls the conversion of compounds to estrogen. Estrogen is the cause of sides like gyno and excessive water retention. Some people run their AI on a schedule, some run it only when their sides start to be an issue. Your deca dose is pretty conservative but it can cause prolactin sides as well.
That's a really cut down explanation. You really should be researching these things before you jump on gear.
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Day 3 of Keto: Chicken thighs tasted awful. Ground beef tasted awful. Decided to end this diet. Going to eat a clif bar.
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>>40520193
I have Al on hand, I will only run it when I have to
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>>40520266
I'm not even on keto and ground beef + chicken is 90% of my diet. shit is delicious bruh.
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>>40520266
More like a luna bar
Fuckin pussy
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>>40519845
You could pick up some of the ancillary exercises, high pulls are breddy gud
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Just pushed 200mg tren E and 125 test cyp.
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There's a dude at my rec center right now squatting the same weight I did this week and he's drinking monster zero. Probably not a fraud but I'm still mirin

We have the same brand of smelling salts too

No homo tho
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>>40520678
Get his number no homo
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>>40520701
Only if he fails this next squat because if yes then we are an exact squat match no homo
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>>40520701
So uh, when are you transitioning? That Liara Roux girl who's an escort posts on reddit and charges 1800/2hrs. I'll be your manager for an upscale tranny escort service.
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>>40520765
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>>40520836
I'll have my lawyer come up with a contract for you as well if you'd like to join Frauds Fabulous Fucking Trannies and Grannies®©™
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>>40520765
Never
Im so over trannies
I threw out my dresses
Fuck sucking cock

>youll never live life on easy mode while complaining about how opressed you are
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>>40520989
>that pic

muh dik
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>>40520765
>1800 for two hours
Fuck me if someone with the social graces I lack whores me out on Reddit we can split that shit 50/50
Not even joking
FWIW I am an attractive guy. I'd post my face on here but it scares me what some meanies do to people that do that.

>>40520616
I'll look into some basic movements. I wouldn't feel comfortable trying anything advanced without someone experienced to guide me. From what I saw at this gym today is mostly babes doing IG meme routines and roused out guys doing tons of accessories (my people).
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>>40520989
>3'8 on my knees

what did she mean by this?
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Anyone ever use vials of test they know to be old af, like 2+ years? Kinda leery as to how long UGL test will retain its potency before degrading
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>>40520989
>5" difference between with and without heels
why even male

also, this is my captcha
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I just started taking steroids. How am I supposed to feel? Because I feel the same, maybe slightly hungrier.
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My mom took my syringes (Im 18) and im 3 days behind on my injection. How bad is this and what should I do? I also lost 25 grams of test e raws but I still have enough made to finish the cycle.
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>>40521345
She can't take your syringes if she's dead if you feeeeeeel me cuzz. Tell her you're diabetic and you're going to die without your drugs.

>>40521176
So she can better pedicure your feet and communicate with midgets/children.
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Still just running 300 Test E/wk to cut. Dropping weight, gaining muscle, shits great.

But I think I might be getting BP spikes? its hard to tell, the reports on symptoms are very conflicting. I'm naturally anxious and this shit with my (ex?) GF's dad and my interviews aint helping.

But sometimes, like earlier today, I go out with friends and get flushed, short and slightly labored breathing, erratic heartbeat, extremely sweaty palms, drinking plenty of water with little affect. Dropped the far a few days ago until end of cycle to see if it helps.

Just plain anxiety issues? I started taking Aswagandha and Phosphatidylserine on some peek reccomendations. Also taking D3, multi, taurine, milk thistle, prolicansol occasionally. Add garlic to be safe?
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>>40521345
That FUCKING sucks man. If you are 18 it's your property. That makes me so mad. What's your address? I'll beat your mom for you.
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>>40521404
*dropped the var
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>>40521404
Add coq10 and baby aspirin.
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>>40521345
kill yourself
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>>40521435
Ill grab it tomorrow
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Put this to bed for me faggots. Is anavar worth the money (SST prices)?
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>>40521477
I get it raw but the vascularity it gives me is stupid
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>>40521477
Better than Epi

Never used winny, but the sides are of Var are allegedly much less

You have a low BF Id say add it youll be veiny AF
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>>40521477
Good quality var is straight anabolic. You should feel your blood pressure up and see veins.
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>>40521580
>>Good quality var is straight anabolic.
lel
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>>40521535
>>40521561
>>40521580
Vascularity is what im going for. Planning my summer stack and looks like it's gonna be 50/50 var/winny.

I love epi but I've never tried winny and think that's a better combo.

It really isn't SO expensive either.
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>>40521535
PPL?
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>>40521682
Do var/mDHT. I guess it's kinda similar though.
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>>40521698
Yeah but it was ordered in December, doubt it'd make much of a difference though.
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>>40519845
Pfff, email me, fatlifts at tutanota.
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>>40521682

epi gives some people monster bo issues, sd might work, high dose var will make it impossible to walk more than 5mins and have you seeing veins in places you didn't know existed

sst prices are what, like $50/g+

btw you get those black tops yet?
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>>40521752
Oh lordie PHALANX all up in this bitch.
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>>40521768
>monster bo issues
Hahaha
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>>40521768
>>40521682

*bp issues

fuck I hate phoneposting
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>>40516730
>that first jab of the day
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>>40516826
>never heard of wickr
Lmao
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>>40521719
>ppl
>meme vendors

>>40521752
Trade you var for winny
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>>40521776
Tfw no stanky high BP bf.
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>>40516894
Are you an Australian?
We pay 80-100 per vial but still
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>>40521776
Def game me BP issues especially compared to Epi. It would ramp up on the drive back from the gym and freak me out.

I seriously dont think I ever experienced a single negative side from Epi, but much less pump and vascularity
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>>40521807
>meme vendors
Eh atleast it wasn't MOLDY. Plus it gets to me in 3 days and my mailman is a bro.
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>>40521807
I've got more of both than I and 30 other people need.
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About to do first cruise, what do you guys dose at?
250 test e week or more?
If its only 250 is once a week frequent enough or still twice?
Cheers boys
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>>40521706
>>40521719
What about proviron? I never noticed a damn thing with it but I'm always swapping compounds and having natcotic issues so it's hard to gauge my AAS in the past.

>>40521752
Don't tease me like this I'll get at you once I'm on a computer. Best news in a long time.

>>40521768
Still been pussyfooting around pulling the trigger. New gf doesn't mind gear but wouldn't be thrilled about spending $1000 on HGH for me. How you liking it? What else you running these days?
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Anyone have success with oral var? Think of doing 25mg/day for a first cycle
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Signs and symptoms of mk677 shut down?

Do you guys take days off of it ?

Is irrability normal ? Is it caused by cortisol ?
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>>40521909
>proviron
Running it super high dose and I don't notice much, maybe some increased vascularity.
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>>40521909
Yeah, that's pretty much it with proviron, next to no effect.
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>>40521832
Moldy var is a n a b o l i c

>>40521855
Cmon friend
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>>40521928
any good mild orals besides /var/? and no i'm not asking for an oral only vagina cycle.
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>>40521922
im doing 35-40mg a day and it's fine for my purposes.
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>>40521929
You're making this really awkward.

What is it with people that already have fucked knees wanting to run winny? Stahp.
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>>40521965
Not that I can think of right now, var' s pretty fucking remarkable.
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>>40521965
Adrol
Basically does nothing but fill you the fuck out

>>40521980
No yake my winny for var
Please
PLEASE
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>>40521919
Kill yourself
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>>40522055
Fffffsssss... eeeee
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Wew that Oscars shitshow.

>>40522055
>PLEASE
Start adding it to shit like it's Splenda or sell it off to ms13 as coke and hope they don't find you.

>adrol

Hmm, not even that bad for liver values?

>>40522002
Damn. We need some biochemists to work on that shit and make tren in oral form that can be run year round with no sides.
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>>40522074
Take my winny
Cmon
I sent you money the day bl doxxed you
Cmon

>>40522104
Adrol is side free
I took it predoc once so id be heavier
>>
What's it mean if my rotator cuff hurts but not as if it was torn?

It feels fine all day but then if I do certain exercises, mainly stuff like front raises and bench, it starts aching very bad during the movement and for a while after, and hurts to use it even normally. Goes away within an hour after that.
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>>40522159
Also doesn't really hurt at first but gets bad over a couple of sets.

Is this a sprain, a microtear, or what?
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>>40522104
A drug with pronounced, positive effect and no negative sides. Yeah, that's a good idea.
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>>40522159
Dunno. Rip it all the way so it's easier for the docs and us to diagnose.
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>>40522170
I can dream for that and a qt gf. Life would be complete. Man there's this cute petite freckled girl at work who makes my brain feel like it's fuzzy when I talk to her. We're both socially retarded so it's weird because neither of us can carry on a conversation but there's some sexual tension.
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>>40522199
Kill that noise, fuck acting socially retarded, do what Chad would do and go right for the pussy before she catches on to any autism.
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>>40522150
Whoa man

Whoa
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>>40522150
ask her if she's a archaeologist.
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>>40522199
Give her my number

>>40522232
So anyways trade my winny for var
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>>40517212
Damn son, can't wait until you hop on some fuckin gear and let it hit you.

Make sure to get on those anti-es and prolactin control with the deca.
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>>40522249
>"hey i know this pedophile who watches anime and gets off to cartoon little girls... and uhh heres his number... kthxbye"
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>>40517212
i can tell from experience. when someone takes pictures from below, with it 2 inches away from them, they are no taller than 5'6, guaranteed
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>GF "I need some space" cause of dying dad
>havent spoke in days
>Cant imagine its going to get better anytime soon and tings will go back to normal
>4 years of dating, hardwork, teamwork, friendship, detiroating for months
>Spending nearly two hours a day 6 days a week at the gym, run in the mornings
>Dislocated ring finger midlift today and had to shove it back in

I just want a five minute phone call saying "Hey this is where my lifes at, this is whats gonig on with him, and we're gonna be fine/we're not gona be fine"

I can do a breakup. It would be rough but I can do it, that stuff fuels you. I cant do this half in half out bullshit and my fucking estro/test levels bounce me from confident and over it in the morning to obsessive and depressed at night.

Its the only thing keeping my mind off it. I know I sound like a bitch but shes literally my best friend. Thinking about adding Tren to the cycle so I can rage blast through all this.

Ty so much /fraud/ for keeping my jooicey through the tough times
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>>40522281
Cancel that.

>>40522249
Nig.
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>>40521345
3 days is OK, I've done longer for a vacation (flight, no way to get drugs). You should order new needles and overnight them. Gpz med lab is who I've used.
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>>40521862
pls respond
>>
>reading /r/short for lels
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>>40522382
250 ew is fine for a cruise.
1 pin ew if fine as well, if its testE, some might prefer 2x pinning a week but once is fine.
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>>40522260
See now thats what I need
A friend keeping it real
Now get me a gf

>>40522305
Thats a yes
Thats a contractual yes
Ill expect my winny by tuesday

>>40522382
Id do 2 a week still
250 is a bit high but ok
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>>40522412
Cheers man

>>40522415
Do you cruise?
What's your height/weight and do you maintain?
I'm 6ft 103kgs lean and I hear mixed shit
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>>40521775

don't make me break out the blankets and finish the job

>>40521808

oh my god I want to slap that water trash beard off that faggot's face

>>40521909

good so far, joints haven't felt this good in a while, but ofc the real good stuff takes another couple months to really manifest

>>40522159

sounds more like infraspinatus fuckery, esp if it goes away like that and you feel the pain/discomfort right under the ac joint
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>>40522468
No, Skyler, I am the one who spreads disease.
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>>40522484

at least I never had shit to do with st6 running around willy nilly scalping people with tomahawks and misappropriating your culture
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>>40516964
>Its unfortunate that such a great face is on a body with breasts like that

c'mon, are you kidding? she's a cutie senpai!
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>>40522281
Maybe try not ending your "cycle" after 1.5 weeks instead of just dropping the dose to a calmer cruise like a normal person.
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>>40521404
Drop the dose. Weren't you getting gyno?
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>>40517432
lmfao your body doesnt need to "get used to it" and even if it would as you said 250mg a week is a lot more than natty anyway so you still would introduce a ton of hormones to your body

even at 500mg test/400mg deca it would take around 4 weeks to start seeing results in gym and changes (glycogen storage increase) in your body

when you BLAST then you BLAST and not pussy up with your dosage and cycle duration, even if you would BnC you blast when you blast and cruise when you cruise.
anything else just contributes towards sides and affects your health while giving suboptimal gains


also youre making it just harder to dial in AI
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>>40522425
Right now 200
Im like 6ft 195
Had surgery in sept and literallt haven't done anything since then though
And the cruise is holding it well

>>40522516
She is
Be better with dfc though
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>>40520136
i dont get gyno from high estro, guess what i got from high estro after a few blasts? an enlarged prostate

use ur AI, everbody needs AI at 500mg test
>>
I never go to bed on time I always read /fraud/ for hours
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Why do people use oral deca if they could just inject suspension... noob here... but I know that you should run TUDCA with suspension anyways

I'm guessing it's rare to find
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>>40522784
>oral deca
wut
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>>40522792
Sorry. Meant dbol.

Apparently equipoise is the attempt at injectable dbol, according to some guy on Reddit
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Any point taking superdrol on a recomp cut if youre already on test tren and winny?

Will it add anything of value
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I love how there are autists on /fit/ who fell so hard for the "le reddit sux" meme they refuse to go there even for crucial steroid research and instead ask antisocial smartasses on /fraud/ for 100% of their medical needs.
> at least you'll finally be feeling some titties soon
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>>40522798
>Sorry. Meant dbol.
oh.

>Apparently equipoise is the attempt at injectable dbol
nope.
>>
>>40522822
He's correct. Dianabol is a methylated boldenone molecule. Bold wasn't really an attempt at injectable dbol though.
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>>40522836
>Bold wasn't really an attempt at injectable dbol though.

ya that's what I meant.

>>40522836
>Dianabol is a methylated boldenone molecule
intresting.
like sdrol and mast.
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>>40522836
I will paraphrase the Reddit comment

"Dbol an attempt at oral testosterone - mixed results. Added a 17-alkaline."

"Eq is an attempt at" what I presume is an injectable anabolic with a 17-alkaline

Sorry I lost the comment a while back. Somebody could probably find it with google though.
>>
>>40521862
found my new fetish
>>
My first cycle is going to be

16 weeks test e 500mg for summer 2017

Then PCT

Then second cycle, looking ahead into fall and winter bulk season, is probably going to be

16-20 weeks
500mg test e
900mg EQ
50mg dbol - last 6 weeks

Then cruise into summer 2018

I am hyped.
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>>40522806
No only take it on a cutbulk
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>>40522640
How do you know? Is there a treatment?
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>>40522994
Yes, AI
>>
>earlier
>go to supermarket to buy protons and other food cuz i am running out in my dorm
>chick sees me getting out of my car
>"omg woooow that is so cool blah blah"
>me:"i know right"
>she says some shit, start tuning her out
>walk away

Dank money

>>40522994
Probably because he feels like he has a bbc in his ass
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>>40523121
Im assuming she was uggo?
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>>40523129
Not ugly not super hot but above average

It was dark tho so hard to tell
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>>40523135
I need better girls in my life.,
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>>40523141
I need dicks in my ass

I just took AI im crashing my e2 on purpose to kill my dick. Swag. Rather be lethargic and unable to move from crashed e2 than the frustration of having a retarded sex drive but deformed face
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>>40523168
>I just took AI im crashing my e2 on purpose to kill my dick.

rip.
>>
>>40522818
hating le reddit is misunderstood as a sort of entry rite on 4chan, those who take it too seriously no matter what show that they came from /b/ and then started visiting other boards lel

in all honesty i too loathe reddit and most of its userbase, but i can readily admit it still is a goldmine for good info (with the obligatory grain of salt) on some topics, including but not limited to steroids and other PEDs in this case.
>>
ded
>>
I wanna do a quick blast before mid June. I'm only gonna have 10 weeks to do this, so I'm thinking about taking a short-ester (Propionate) rather than a longer ester.

My goal is to cut. Ideally I'd be pinning 100mg EOD. I might also add some var to the stack, if I can be assed to dole out the extra cash.

Is it better to go with what I have planned, or to pick a long ester and stick to that for the 10 weeks I'll be on cycle?
>>
>>40521041

I carry on in your stead old friend. I must, I must increase my bust.
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>>40523378
>Is it better to go with what I have planned
yes, if you dont mind all the pinning.
10 weeks should be /okay/ for testE too tho
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Ausfag here, so much fake shit coming through I've had to buy more expensive shit, just wondering if people see a difference between 600pw or 800pw with eq? might save me some money

Running 16 week blast,weeks 1-16
Eq at 600 or 800
test e 500
4-16
tren e 500
mast e 600

What would you rather?
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>>40519902
i never touched a single pro hormone or roid and my natty T lvls were 161/
. now that im blasting i feel better than ever
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>>40523432
pls respond
Leaning towards keeping it at 600, same people have sait to scrap eq and up the test/tren but I like the sound of eqs dry veiny look
>>
im on trt and it makes me hungry
but im cutting and I am finally seeing shoulder veins
help
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>>40523500
Its generslly said that eq needs to be run at a high dose to be worth it.

>>40523510
>help
stims
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>>40523516
stims? I drink 3l of diet coke
at this point I am just trying to rationalize starting a bulk again but seeing veins feels too good to stop now
>>
>>40523500
>>40523516
maybe if I drop the eq and up the test/tren to 750, idk it's such an important decision
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>>40523584
>stims?
stimulants

> diet coke
I wouldn't call that a "stim"


>>40523591
>maybe if I drop the eq and up the test/tren to 750
yes, do it.
>>
>>40523600
If I post progress pics will you tell me you're miring?
That's all I really want
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>>40523604
>will you tell me you're miring?
Im sure I will be
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>>40523610
th-thanks
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>>40523645
we're all gona make it
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>>40522818
>that Chado
are you me?
>>
What the fuck.
4 months after last pin and I noticed a lump on my butt and it hurts if I press it.
Is that scarred tissue? I just noticed today, might not be related to pinning schedule since it's been 4 fucking months.
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>>40523697
>Is that scarred tissue?
nope
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>>40523715
Should I care? It's not red, warm or anything. Can't be an infection, besides, it's been 4 months and I only noticed today.
Fuck, 1 less spot to pin for now.
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>>40523703
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>>40523746
>Should I care?
Im not a doctor.
it is /probably/ nothing.
>>
can i safely bring enough shit for 4 pins on a plane to a different country? or do i just stay 2 weeks off
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>tfw always had my E in check confirmed by bi quarterly full bloods
>tfw think my prostate is all fucked up
>tfw can't sleep more than two hours without needing to piss
>tfw only 23
what do?
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>>40523746
Maybe it's just a butt zit? Or a cyst?
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>>40524039
I'd just do a big frontload if I were you.

>>40524045
>what do?
up the dose
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>>40524045
finger in bum

n-no homo
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can i just change the needle and inject always the same substance with the same syringe?
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>>40524079
If you like old rotten oils in your shit sure
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>>40524079
no, its un-sterile.
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So lads, tren high, lower or equal dose to test?
So far I like higher tren, never tried equals
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>>40524045
saw palmetto, pumpkin seed oil but they're mostly preventative imo

but if it's really a prostate issue and not a bladder/urinary infection you'll probably need finasteride if its that bad, gl dude
>>
Newbie thinking about going on my first cycle. Have done some research, but have a couple of questions. What are "AI"? Is it anti-estrogens? Can you name some please? Is it like arimidex? And a second question. When I wanna hop on a cycle to lean out and gain weight, how much do I need to up my cals? I'm just on a plateau with gaining weight. If I get on gear, will I gain weight, or do I need to up my cals by a lot as well?
>>
>>40524111
Can I ask how old you are bro?
Also height/ weight and how long you've been lifting.
BTW you'll cop a little shit because you don't seem to know enough about steroids yet
Also where are you from
>>
how long is tren e and a detectable in urine test?
>>
>>40524124
>urine test for testosterone
>>
>>40524122
19, Czech republic
Lifting for 2.5 years
6'2, 215lbs
I'm honestly not thinking about hopping on for about another year or two, but I want to learn as much as I can. It's really interesting to me.
Should I just lurk more? Or is there like a dependable steroid wiki?
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>>40524162
Read the op, wait til you're 21 then do 12 weeks test e or c at 500mg a week with .5 adex every other day, pct with nolva
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>>40524111
>What are "AI"
aromatase inhibitor

>Is it anti-estrogens?
kinda


>When I wanna hop on a cycle to lean out and gain weight, how much do I need to up my cals?
that depends on how much and how quickly you wana gain kiddo
>>
>>40524124
>im-fucking-plying

Common consensus is that it can be still detected after anything from 3-7 months depending on quite a few factors. But if you have to ask you probably just have a drug screen for work coming up and are too much of a faggot to realize (oddly specific professions aside) that they never test for ronalds in the first place.
>>
>>40524162
Google reddit steroid wiki
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>>40524212
I was thinking about hopping on 300mg test-e a week for an 8 week cycle.
Would love to lean out and gain 10-20 lbs of decent muscle
>>
>>40524224
no im competing you fucking donkey nigger

Don't ever fucking reply to my thread again.
>>
Doing my first cycle on test e 500mg and I'm starting cutting in a few days, I would want something for the cutting but can't decide if I want to do tren+test / test+win or just continue with test e. Any tips?
>>
>>40524258
If you're comp tests for roids don't compete, let natties have something for once, they already miss out on gains and aesthetics
>>
>>40521965
Have you used oral var? How was it?
>>
>>40524258
>Don't ever fucking reply to my thread again.
Your “thread” huh. Also nope, still gonna reply out of spite.

Stop being so mad at my obvious b8 you special snowflake, first of all. Second, metabolites and other markers stay (depending on dose, length of use, and minor individual factors I cba laying out rn yadda yadda) for five months, generally. Most wait up to 7 months to be on the safe side. Sooo, if you have a comp coming up in anything less than half a year, nope, not gonna work. Acquire friends in the medical industry you can cop private screenings from if you really want to know the exact day you are clean again.

Or fuck it and get caught, not like I give a damn hehe ;)

>>40524308
Lel sadly not how this works.
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>>40524322
so every fucking nigger is just playing russian roulette while competing?

Last year they chose 10 random people, out of like a total 200. It was the national championship in Norway. 8 of those 10 failed the tests, the 2 who passed looked like shit
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>>40524337
thinking back at it, you win literally just a fucking trophy.

hmm might just not take that risk hehe
>>
>>40524337
Essentially, no risk no fun. Also different roids have different detection lengths (like, some orals are gone pretty soon, deca stays for up to a year in some people), so it highly depends on what, how long, and how much you blast precomp, it is more of a hormone chess game than anything at this point lmao

>going out of your way to cheat in tested natty comps instead of just leaving humanity behind and competing in untested ones where nobody gives a damn
>skepticalcostanza.jpeg
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>>40524373
the thing is, there are no untested competetions in Noway. Guess ill have to go abroad if i want to compete. Not like u get anywhere with it in norway anyway
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>>40524307
Try adding cardio and eatinglessabol.
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>>40524386
scandinavia is so fucked with their fitness industry. no wonder those estrogen'd fucks let them rape their own wives with immigrants.
>>
>>40524386
>>40524460
Ah, sucks. I am Euro myself but never bothered with Scandinavian comps and their rules at all so this is news to me. The more you fucking know.
>>
>>40524465
also dont go to denmark gyns if you're ever there.

they literally prosecute you if police think you take roids.
>>
>>40524481
Kek yeah I heard about it, friend lives there. Same or similar in Sweden iirc. What has this world come to. Cannot catapult your hormonal values into astronomical heights in peace without someone getting all up in your face about it lmao
>>
Any tips on "fixing" my lipids after a long SARM cycle? Any herbal shit I can take for this?

I've been on Memek677 for 6+ months now. If I go off for 3-4 weeks and cycle my carbs or do IF will my insulin sensitivity go back to normal?
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>>40524537
>long sarm cycle
>mk-667 for 6 months
>herbal shit

there is so much cancer in one post i cant believe it.
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>that feel when paranoid about the law

Do you guys ever worry about the law?
>>
>>40524565
I generally paranoid to some degree.
>>
>>40524532
lol i first thought this was a meme or at least way overblown online but nah, was in denmark with the lads on our euro trip and one of them (who is natty as can be but has broad shoulders and traps by default and through years of lifting) got the stink eye from a gym owner and we all had to sign some sort of bullshit handwritten waiver that he was not gonna sling some mones to the crossfit twats there. beautiful.
>>
>>40524565
Meh, yes, but I only buy and use conservative amounts and stopped selling long ago, so w/e I have worse to worry about.

>>40524586
Jesus, hilarious and horrifying at the same time.
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>tfw chad
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>>40524565
pretty much never, no

no reason to be as a small time consumer. I probably would if I sold
>>
>>40524620
>literally unreadable
congratulations
>>
>>40522818
>>40524661
Here fggt
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hol up. ive been pushing air bubbles back into my vial to try and not waste any oil but ive been thinking this morning that it might contaminate the compound. Anyone know the deal with that?
>>
>>40521345
tell her that you have low testosterone
>>
Brewed my second batch of Test E. Now got another 14 vials of 250mg Test E to last me a while. Gonna be blasting hard again.
>>
>tfw sick as a dog mid blast
life isn't fair, that's a week I'm not getting back
>>
>>40524780
extend blast by a week.
ezpz
>>
>>40524780
>getting sick
what are you a woman
>>
>>40524828
everyone's been sick at work from their kids and stuff and they infected me

working in an office is the biggest meme in the world, don't fall for the jews' tricks
>>
>>40524854
Better than not being able to go more than 2 weeks without being sick (being generous here) from a combination of college and your so called family

My retard brother ferments his own shit for some reason by never flushing his toilet so he is always coughing with some infection

And my grandparents live in a house full of bird shit in every crevice from my uncles bird (uncle also used to have jugs of shit and piss in his room, because his """social anxiety""" made him scared to leave his room to use the bathroom when people were at his house)
>>
>>40522548
>>40522556
Yea stuck with it and dropped the dose, things have been great physically. Just cruising while I lose weight. Dropped from 400/wk to 300. Cant decide if I should go lower to 250 for a bit. Considering I plan on just doing a BnC for a long time.
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>>40518251
I gained like 30 lbs I still have stretch marks on my shoulders.
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>>40525118
>Just cruising while I lose weight.
>Dropped from 400/wk to 300. Cant decide if I should go lower to 250 for a bit.
>>
>>40520266
I lost an entire night of sleep craving carbs when I started keto. Fucking terrible
>>
>>40516782
>Roiding for this
>>
>sport class
>we finish
>everyone goes to the locker room
>i drop my shirt in the bathroom and wash off the sweat from my chest and back in the bathsink for acne prevention
>10 people come in one by one like they are in a fucking Queue and go "DAMMN DOOOD craaaap"
>cringe hard

fucking faggots
>>
>>40525542
>that bittersweet moment when mires become annoying
>>
How do I DECREASE the veiny look in my arms and legs?
>>
>>40521404
Maybe eat a bit more. Those symptoms sound to me like when i exert myself without adequate energy desu
>>
>>40525408
I.....is this supposed to mean a larger prostate with a change in dose....or something?
>>
>>40525579
Carb up? idk, stop taking AI and get that extra water ?
>>
>>40525542
Was at a party this weekend and this dude kept wanting to arm wrestle me

>no
>>
holy fuck it's hard to find a good cruise dose, some say 150mg some say 400mg, so much conflicting shit, does anyone here who has actually been blasting and cruising for a while tell their experience?
so far I'm thinking the 200-300 range but all the advice is from old dudes who clearly have no clue
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>>40525931
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>>40525931
Your max cruise dose is whatever *you* can take while maintaining good bloodwork. You have to figure that out for yourself.
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>>40525931
you're an idiot

there is no one answer, it depends how you well you respond. some people will get up to 1200ng/dl on 125mg and for others it'll take 200. likewise, 200 might get someone to 2000 ng/dl, which is way too high for a cruise dose

get bloods.
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>>40525653
nah. but i like your way of thinking.
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>>40526104
I-im not an idiot

>>40526097
Is 200mg a good jumping off point or should I start lower?
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>>40526119
To clarify I didnt fluctuate my dose that much.

Week 1 was 125x2 and felt great
Week 2 started with a 200mg pin and e2 hit really quick and hard. Reduced second pin to 100mg. And Today I started back with 125, which I will maintain. 250/wk, with one wk at 300. I checked some results on my source and it appears his stuff is overdosed anyway.
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>>40526127
Start low and work your way up, 150mg is an actual TRT dose.
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>>40526191
Are cruises supposed to be trt doses?
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About to start test-c 500mg/w and dbol 30mg/ed. Have adex and nolva too. Should I start taking adex right away or no? Im having my bloodwork done soon and again on the middle of my cycle (or/if any complications occur)
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ALRIGHT

Pic related are my results for my test. Is this good for a natty? I was thinking about running test but these numbers don't look low.
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>>40526164
yay rollercoaster. but alas, good luck for finding a comfy dose to cruise with, it takes a bit to find dat dere sweet spot (especially without regular bloods).
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>>40526451
Pretty damn good in comparison, not greek god levels but certainly almost twice or more of what some people here reported natty.

As a side note though
>he fell for the ”you need low natty test to justify supplementing exogenous test” meme
>gif related
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>>40524315
I'm still running it, underwhelming but I wasn't really expecting all that much in terms of gains more just visual effects like vascularity and maybe some fat reduction
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>>40526514
Its not that i couldn't just blast test, but if those are my natty levels then i think i coyld affird to gain a bit more over the next few years. My strength is painfully average for my weight and i want to work more toward that discipline before i go god mode.
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>>40526329
on dbol? definitely yes

>>40526451
literally average
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New to roids, gonna undergo a surgery that's gonna put me out of lifting for a month. Can anyone recommend me something good for short term use that will get me back to where I used to be quickly post op?
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>>40526648
not how it works
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>>40523378
save money by getting test-e, frontload it and buy orals with rest of the money
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>>40526605
Average in terms of what exactly? Yeah average males between 18-40, but how old is he
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>>40526764
I am 26. I got it done because they say that test starts to drop off after 25, and i wanted to make sure i wasn't a low test beta trying to do something I'm actually not capable of since my gains always seem so slow.
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>>40526554
Yeah, that is exactly why I put it as a half-shitposting side note lol
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>>40526648
Nah just wait until you are healthy and lifting regularly again. Then get your body fat low and stockpile food. Get 4 vials of test e 250 and inject twice a week. Get an aromatase inhibitor and take it even if you don't feel symptoms. Get Nolvadex for post cycle therapy. Do this for 15 weeks or whatever and eat like a mother fucker. Get swole. Then return to normal life if you're a pussy or cruise and then blast until you die.
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>>40527001
>cruise and then blast until you die
If you cruise for a bit and then permablast the dying part will come pretty soon anyway kek
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>>40526800
>low test beta trying to do something I'm actually not capable of
you are doing this natty anyway so why do you even care
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>>40527001
I've always known the rule of thumb to cut down before the steroid bulk, but why is that? Does it have to do with the fat-estrogen relationship or is it as simple as "I want to eat hella food during my cycle and I don't want to worry about getting too fat?"
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>>40527203
both and what do you think is gonna happen if you start bulking at like 15% bf. you are gonna just be a fat bloated piece of shit.
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