I've been lifting for a year and I can only squat 285 what

>>40502528
That's pretty good

You should continue training and getting stronger

>>40502533
but i was told that its bad progress and most people here get to 315 in like 6 months

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>>40502528
chug that zippy water boy

>>40502622
Most people on here are lying, or are morbidly obese.

Ever noticed how everyone here claims to have gotten really strong in a small amount of time (squatting 315lbs, deadlifting 405+, benching 200lbs+) with full ROM?

And noticed how many people at your gym actually lift those numbers?

>>40502622
who cares?

are you still making progress? if so then keep at it and use the haters as motivation to keep progressing

we're all gonna make it breh

>>40502622
it depends where you're starting from.

If you're already around 200 lbs or more at a decent height you have the resources/recovery materials (extra calories stored as fat) required to add strength and with intelligent programming will not really have to worry too much about the diet, and a 315 squat will be easily achievable within that time period. On the other hand, if you're starting at 130 lbs then reaching that 315 squat will be a lot harder and will probably require atleast 2-3 years of force feeding and brutal training.

This is assuming average genetics and non-asian.

>>40502622
>people on /fit/ estat
shocking
you're making decent progress, keep it up m8

>>40502686
This is a community of shut ins who only drink milk and squat. Your typical gym goer doesn't have the arcane dark secrets that we do. I got my roommate to a 275x5 squat in 2 months. If you've got someone who knows what they're doing and lots of food, you can get strong quick.

>>40502686
Although I agree that most of /fit/ is delusional, I think most guys at a regular gym are weak because they follow a shit program. How many people actually know about strength training? Versus how many people do amrap?

>>40502743
shut the fuck up you liar

>>40502748
Still though.

you go on /fit/ and start seeing that EVERYONE is deadlifting 600 pounds in 2 years of training, benching over 315 for reps. Where are these people training?

They're all in their home gyms right? how convenient. their cameras are usually broken too to post current body pictures

>>40502748
>not amrap-ing your top set

I mean it depends on your program but as long as you don't exceed your MRV and go to technical (vs muscular) failure there's literally no reason not to.

>>40502622
I am surprised by the replies to your post here

5'6 73kg supermanlet here, I am sort of fat you could say, at about 18-20% bodyfat I guess for my height that's a good chunk
started out at about 15% bodyfat

I've reached and stopped at 140kg (315lbs or 3pl8) lowbar squat after 5 months on SS, linear progression @2.5kg increments every workout except for a single deload of 10% at 125kg, but it's only gone up from there

been eating like a madman for those 5 months, had small but nutritious meals in the morning/evening (peanut butter, oats, flax seeds) and really large meals mid-day (big plate of chicken, veggies, brown rice and/or whole wheat pasta, occasionally homemade burgers with 1kg of ground beef or homemade tuna pizza)

rests between sets got longer and longer during progression, I rest up to 8 minutes now between worksets
I don't do any other leg/back work besides deadlifts

now that that's out of the way:
given you do what Starting Strength tells you to do (which is what I did)
how can you NOT reach 3pl8 squat in at least 5-8 months?

you've made a mistake and don't let DYELs here lull you into feeling good about it
look over what you're doing, analyze it, think about it and come up with the solution to your problem on your own

what is it that you're doing/not doing that won't let you progress?

>3x5 Zippy Water sips
>3x5 Jadakiss tracks
>1x5 vomit in mouths

Ha! you guys are pathetic! I got 4Pl8 squat in about 6 months even though i have 3 inch ROM it still counts! just like you guys!

>>40503100
it's inadvertently funny when you're trying to be ironic but don't actually squat significant weight yourself

>>40503147
>projecting this hard

>>40502934
i doubt you go past parallel though. if you do, post pics

>>40502934
>8 minute rest times

>>40502724
>non-asian genetics
are asians shit or good?

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>>40503147
Sh..shut up! my 235lb ATEEGEEE squat > 315 quarter squat

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>>40502622

>>40503293
Thank you anon, this will be a fine addition to my collection.

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>3pl8
>hard to achieve

loleing my as of!

>>40503293
Top kek.

It took me exactly one year, and for 3 of those months I was on a 1000kcal deficit - made very slow progress and for another 3 it was 1500kcal while not lifting - lost 25% of my gains.

>>40503326
uhh anon when people refer to 1/2/3/4 they usually mean for reps not 1 rep maxes.

>>40503338
Yea, considering this is 190 i could easily do 140 for 10

>>40503338
That is retarded, strength standards are 1RM unless stated otherwise.

"1/2/3/4" is different from "1/2/3/4 for reps"
when someone says "I bench 350" you assume it means "for 1"
when you look up strength stats in books they're almost always 1RM.

>>40503326
Wow, good job on that guy for finally reaching a bodyweight squat.

>>40503338
1/2/3/4 has nothing to do with reps. I'm not sure why people find this so confusing. Once I actually had a guy tell me you can only count "1/2/3/4" if you can do those weights 5x5. Full retard.

You hit 1/2/3/4 when you can lift 1/2/3/4.

>>40503444
Nice troll xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>tfw lifting for a year and a half and squat/dead are shit

3RM: 145/235/255/285. 165 BW.

My linear gains fro squat/dead crapped out at like 215/255 but I stuck with the program since there are all these people talking about hitting 315/405 linear. I literally stalled at those numbers for like 7 months.

>Just another deload and it'll be fine

Now that I've changed programs I'm actually progressing.

>>40502528

>He fell for the Starting Strength is a meme meme

>been lifting for 2 1/2 to 3 years
>only just hit 4pl8s for 1 on deadlift
>knee is fucked
>most ive ever squatted is 120kg for 5
>can pause bench 110kg for 4
>can ohp 72.5kg for 5

Why is my lower body such garbage? I squat every session but it just seems so much harder to progress compared to my other lifts. My legs are long as fuck but ive seen lifters with long legs dominate the squat.

>>40503382
>>40503454
This. Also for most people 5X5 load is 80% so just multiply by 1.2 to convert.

>>40503534
>load is 80% so just multiply by 1.2 to convert.

That's not how math works

>>40503555
83.33%, my mistake

>>40502934
>8 minute rest times
So you're not doing SS then.

>>40503628
whats the ss rest time then?

>>40502934
>lowbar
i reached 155 high bar atg in the same time fag and im taller and same weight

>>40503704
not 8 minutes.

generally 3 minutes. 5 minutes tops

8 minute rests times on a 3x5 is like doing 1x5 three times a day.

don't get me wrong, 5 3 pl8 full rom squats is good, but it's not ss

guys how long until you get 4 plate?

>>40503861
about 3 months

>>40503902
how long does it take to get there from 3 plate?

>>40503326
how long lifting and bw?

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>>40502528
did you do SS and then TM in a continous bulk? if so you should be able to squat at least 405 in one year, without exceptions (there's one: you are a 55kg little woman)

thenk you MUST follow a decent strengh program and eat

>>40503753
this is unaplogetically wrong compared to what ripp says in the fucking book, he says too go to 7-8 minite rest times if you cant progress to ride out tour linear increases as long as possible. after 3 minutea about 80% of your atp os restored 90% in 5 and 95% after 7-8 minutes. Atleast read the book if you want to pretend to be a strength coach on the internet.

>>40503704
>>40503753
bullshite

rip specifically advocates resting longer the more you lift up to 15 minutes

watch his starting strength seminar Q&A he says exactly this

>>40502622
Dont listen to the vast majority of what people say here about progress. People BS and make shit up and say shit like a 3 plate deadlift is a total noob number, but unless you have a solid base strength it will still take time to get up there. Progress happens at different speeds for different people, if you're following a legit program, focusing on your form and still making progress and enjoy how you're lifting then don't worry at all about how someone else says they're doing or how your numbers looks. Just. Fucking. Lift.

>>40503239
I go slightly below parallel just before hamstrings slack

you'll just have to believe me on my word I guess, I don't have pictures of my squat, but I've been completely open about my info in the post you replied to (even my height) so I hope that's worth something
probably not much

>>40503735
lbs or kg?
if kg then that's pretty impressive I'd say, good job

but I have no idea why you felt the need to tell me

>>40503326
it really isn't hard at all
all it takes is 6 months, that's a ridiculously short amount of time for the amount of strength you'll put on, 6 further months will not even get you close to that amount

which is the reason why I'm confused so few people actually squat 3pl8

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>>40502528
>tfw it took me a bit under 2 years to front squat 295 lbs.

Feels bad guys...

>>40502686
>And noticed how many people at your gym actually lift those numbers?

Depends where you lift. If I go to the gym at 7-8pm, there's a group of regulars who regularly deadlift 4+plates and bench 250-300 for reps. There's 2 massive dudes who bench over 405.

If I go during the day, I'm usually the only person doing 2+ plates on squats or deadlift, unless it's a uni-break and all the kids are home from school.

90% of people who claim such phenomenal progress are either lying or jumped on roids first thing. Nothing wrong with roids, but people tend to lie about doing them. It doesn't help that so many are willing to either go along with it, or just don't know enough about fitness to understand what's truly possible for most people.

I've seen people in a fitness group on Facebook claim to lose 100lbs of fat and gain 25lbs of muscle in a six month peroid, and nobody calls them out.

>>40503995
1 day

>>40504559
Don't forget the people who don't count their first two years of "messing around" because they weren't "lifting seriously" then.

>Listening to /fit/'s e-statting

Wow, despite looking dyel for /fit/ standards, I actually may be legitimitely stronger than most of the faggots here.

>>40502622

Thats because they are fucking lying anon

>>40504187
like 2.5 years, 260ish bw

>>40503753
> More advanced trainees need more time, perhaps 5 minutes, between the last warm-ups and the work sets. If they're doing sets across, very strong lifters may need 10 minutes or more between work sets.

I've heard Rip cite <7 minute rest times as one of the main factors in stalling progress during ss.

>>40504764
>3 pl8 is a very strong lifter

I still don't know if I'm doing good so far or not.
4 months in:

>ohp 47.5kg x5
>bench 67.5 x5
>squat 92 x5
>dl 127 x5

These are my PR's and now I'm even worse cause I was sick a week ago.

>>40504354
It is possible to squat 3pl8 in 6 months, assuming you don't stall, miss a day, or deload, but most people do.

>>40504941
>listing weights in kg

Kill yourself

>>40504941
youre doing good

>>40504941
92.5*
127.5*

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Alright /fit/ I want to explain something to you guys who worry about 1/2/3/4

http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/mark-rippetoe-q-and-a/15386-zach-update.html

You've probably seen this dude before. This was Zach in 2010 after 6 months of SS + GOMAD.

Squat = 345 x 5
Bench = 240 x 5
Deadlift = 325 x 5
Press = 145 x 5

As you can see, in 6 months Zach hit a quarter of 1/2/3/4. You need to ask yourself what your goals are. If you want to hit 1/2/3/4 soon then you're going to have eat even though you may end up looking like Zach. If you want an attractive body, then stop worrying about how long it will take to hit 1/2/3/4 and start worrying about what you'll look like when you do.

>b-but if Zach had cut then he would have looked good...

No he wouldn't have

>>40504802
It's definitely a strong lifter. Most people can barely reach 2pl8 lad

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>>40504992
>in 6 months Zach hit a quarter of 1/2/3/4
what the fuck are you on about? The only one he didn't hit was deadlift

>>40504764

That seems like so much. I'm coming from a XC and track background and know little about lifting, and I've been doing a 4x8 routine to try to get hypertrophy. I've made good progress (+8 lbs in my first two months) with my body weight but it's taking me longer to get used to new weight (going up in increments of 5 instead of 10 lbs). I only take 1-2 minutes of rest between sets because that's what I'm used to with running. Obviously I could lift more with more rest but would the progress also go faster with more rest between sets?

>>40504992
how does he squat more than diddy, and theres no way he does 240lb bench with that chest, These 2 factors make me believe he is some ego lifter doing 4 inch ROM on everything.

>>40502934
can you post physique? Im curious

>>40502528
Been training for the same amount, and got 295. And you're really not that far behind.

1/2/3/4 is the benchmark of being able to be considered strong. So it should only be justified to take a little bit of time

really?

in 7 months i managed to eek out a 4 plate squat for 1, with a 5 kilo weight gain in that time (82 to 87). i thought this was suboptimal progress desu.

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>>40502622
ive never set foot in a gym yet i constantly say i squat 3 plates in 4 months. Honestly i dont even think i can squat the bar lol

>>40505070
He was Rippetoe's personal experiment, do you really think he'd let him ego lift and do quarter reps?

should i just start eating a daily meal of hotdogs and icecream for another 1000ckals just to get in my 5000ckals to get them strength gains?

>>40502528
I squat about 225 lbs after roughly 8 years of lifting :^) come in me, bro

>>40505070
see for your self https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TB0PpIGcX0

>>40505158
Those better be ATG pause reps for high volume anon.

>>40502686
I got to 1/2/3/4 in less than 6 months, but I go to the gym 5 or 6 days a week as well as dieting well because Neet.

>>40505158
You must be a woman so yes I will

>>40505169
why is he doing 5 sets? i thought rippletits favored 3 sets. And did he never do any accessory lifts?

>>40502622
no, that is bad progress. good progress = eating appropriately (if you want to get stronger, clean bulk at surplus of your choice), never missing a workout, having good form including good mobility and sleep enough.

take SS for example. if you begin squatting 50kg and add 2.5kg each time like the program says to, and assuming you deload at 100kg and 130kg for whatever reason, you'll reach 3 plates in under 4 months. that's realistic and has been done plenty times before by people who were simply better at the form, had better diets, and better commitment

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>>40505180
Nah, I'm just really shit at squatting/lifting in general.
They are ATG though at least.
My legs look decent for some weird reason anyway....

>>40505197
you can probably read about these freak experiments on ripps webiste or something, idk man

>>40505209
> not including the most important factor
Those people also won the genetic lottery.

>>40505213
Dam pretty joocy man, you have to be doing 4x12 squats then right?

>>40505197
Hes not doing SS in the video.

Hes doing texas method. Hence 5 sets.

>>40502622
Not most people, since this board is full of retards who do brosplits and are horribly afraid of losing their visible abs even temporarily. But it can be done in less than 6 months.

>>40505251
No sir. 3 or 5 reps. Currently I am actually only squatting with one of those weird bands on my knees to fix my form (my knees buckle in sometimes). I only use 135 lbs for that.

My stats are really fucking weird. Strong OHP/Dead, weak Bench and very weak Squat.

>>40505251
>thinking a standard SS progression demands good genetics
if you have unterrible genetics, you can easily do this. some gangly 6' 5 nerd is not going to make it, ever, but any healthy young man could do this. the issue is in the form, in the commitment and in the diet. usually when people fuck up their linear progression (assuming their programming is good), at least one of these is the culprit.

>>40504992
>No he wouldn't have
What makes you think this?

>>40503276
That's actually pretty true though. I can parallel squat 320 but best ATG is 275. It might not look as cool to do the ATG but it definitely feels harder on my muscles.

>>40503276
315 isn't even impressive ATG. No quarter squat is impressive.

>>40505279
>Strong OHP/Dead, weak Bench and very weak Squat.
Same! I

>>40502528

you shouldn't do squats and deadlifts; you'll damage your back

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>>40505456
only with bad form.

>>40505070
You squat 3 times a week on starting strength
You deadlift 1.5 times a week on starting strength

you increase your lifts each workout by 10lbs at first and 5lbs after that

it's normal to hit squat first

>>40502528
Nobody here actually lifts.

>>40502528
>>40502622
thats not bad at all if youre a small dude. in a year i went from squatting 135 to squatting 365 BUT im 350lbs was (420+) of lard which means my legs were already conditioned to handle a large load. my bench is terrible compared to squat at 205 and my deadlift is only 337 and my shoulder press is only 140. according to strengthleveldotcom i should be lifting 5000 pounds on every lift for my weight. i say thats pretty good for a year. even /fits/ strength standards are a little silly. keep doing you.

>>40506595
how is it even possible to get that heavy? why did you?

>>40507086
EAT BIG OR GO HOME

>>40507115
>4 scoops CMON

>>40507086
i kinda just gave up on life. i dont know why. i think it was because i was super fat and my fat gf broke up with me. but i guess its been to my benefit. ive lost about 80 pounds while still kinda eating the same and still drinking beer every weekend in a year, and my strength has gone up to those numbers lol. idk. depression?
>>40507115
lel pretty much

>>40502528
Eat a milano cookie

>>40502622
Listen to me, I've been on here for nearly 4 years, have been lifting for over 3. My wilks points is ~305, my raw total is ~1030. I can only do 315x5 for 1 grueling maximum effort nearly fail set. And I'm one of the top 1% in my gym (granted its a commercial gym). Most people on here e-stat. And to prove it, my raw total is actually 1020 lbs, but I'm on /fit/ so +10 lbs

>>40510665
>if I estat everyone estats

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>>40510665
>have been lifting for over 3
>I can only do 315x5 for 1 grueling maximum effort nearly fail set
Man

I'm really fucking confused

I just don't get how I could get a 315 3x5 squat in 5 months with medium effort but people here seemingly struggle with it for years

you guys must be doing SOMETHING different from what got me there, right? I mean there's no other explanation, I'm not an athlete whatsoever, been sedentary all my life and regularly skipped out on PE class

honestly I just read Starting Strength, watched some videos of Rip coaching the squat and adhered to his nutritional advice and incremented the weight every workout, I didn't do GOMAD because I was already pretty fat I just ate like mad, way more than I used to sometimes to the point where I'd be so full I couldn't move

and the weight just wouldn't stop going up except for that one deload

same with all my other lifts, except that they're going far slower because you're squatting 3 fucking times a week
but the weight keeps going up bit by bit every time

I really wish I knew what it is

>>40502622
pfft i'm only at 235 after 6 months

progress is progress, just be happy when you're making gains

>>40511437
>I really wish I knew what it is
probably you eating alot and being fat

>>40509556
DO YOU DESERVE A MILANO COOKIE?

>>40511620
then why not do that?

you can lose fat afterwards
you can't wait yourself strong

>>40511437
>I really wish I knew what it is
>I was already pretty fat
There you go. Mass moves mass.
I was 58kg (130lbs) and skinnyfat when I started lifting. I'm sure many other people here were skinny malnourished nerds as well. When the weight you're squatting is heavier than you after the first few weeks it gets hard. If you weight 225+ it's babyweight.

I 've been lifting for 3 years and can't squat at all because I ruined my lower back from DLs and squats. Don't ego progress

Hey take it where you can I can't squat anything >>40512170
Same here bro

>>40503382

Well fuck I feel a lot better about my progress now. Thanks anon :). Also i've been lifting for a year and i've heard people refer to 2pl8 as one plate on each side and as 2 plates on each side, I think the latter is true but i'm still a little confused on that one.

>>40512611
It's two plates on each side