>Manage to score a legit 9/10 fitness chick >Pussy feels

>>40318327
yeah pretty much, just one little change
>realizing that women aren't worth it

>dating a brap poster

>1 hot chick I dated is annoying, therefore, all hot chicks are annoying???

How dumb can you be? I'm certain you are under 20 yo

>>40318327
>not letting hot girls fart in your face
Maybe your real choice is men

>>40318327
BBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

>>40318370
>35 y/o agelet
aren't you a little old for 4chan buddy

>>40318370
95% of modern hot women have massively inflated egos from their 50k Instagram followers and facebook betas

Well the thing is that hot girls have always been hot so they never had to develop any kind of personality or interests because everyone was treating them like royalty since birth.
This can make them kind of narcacistic but deep down they know they are just worthless fucktoys and if you tread them like that they will obey you and act nice.
They are still annoying and retarded but at least they are not manipulating and cyical like average chicks.
I've noticed that when i get together with an average girl after a while she will take me for granted and become entitled.

This is why i only fuck the hottest girls.

>>40318445
Also how the fuck can one even get it up with average girls. Seriously...

>>40318461

I have an easier time screwing girls I'm not as into since my mind does a better job of objectifying them

it's weird

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>>40318445
>>40318461
>>40318481
t. "I'm a chad guys i promise"

>>40318481
Average girls always have fuck ugly tits and pussies. Also i can't look into some normal chick and tell her she turns me on etc it just feels weird as fuck and dishonest
I'm really picky though i need to have some kind of connection with the girl in order to enjoy sex with her
>>40318496
>OMG THERE ARE NORMAL PEOPLE ON 4CHAN??? :OOOOO

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The best sex I ever had was with a 7/10 girl

She was by no means ugly, though, looked amazing with clothes on, looked quite good with clothes off

But the thing is, she was just a sexual GOD
She had this tightening excercise she would do with her vag while we fucked, it felt incredible
Add to that effortless deepthroats and her being down for all kinds of filthy stuff and you have an amazing little jinx

She got jealous way too easily, though

>>40318590
>She had this tightening excercise she would do with her vag while we fucked, it felt incredible
You mean kegels

>>40318604
No she did that too, but this was something more

She told me it took almost a year to learn properly


It's hard to explain, but you know that feeling when a girl cums while you're inside her and her vag just grips your dick like it doesn't wanna let go?
It was like that, but almost all the time

Shit was insane

>>40318399
Give me a fucking source, or be forever an r9k faggot.

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You know, they made a movie about this.

>>40318334
THIS

>>40318350
underrated

>>40318327
>>Pussy feels great, but sex is mediocre

virgin here, what does this mean

>>40318640
What the fuck dude? Don Jon was pretty much about a dude who couldn't nut without porn and how he fucked himself over it.

>>40318590
Why would you not marry a chick like this?

>>40318327

I was in a very similar position OP—scored an absolute knockout fitness chick. Incredibly hot but had no hobbies, barely any friends and no personality. Now with a 7/10 but busty af, get on like a house on fire, lots of friends and have similar hobbies.

>>40318676

A woman can be nice and tight and feel great, but still not be good at sex. If they lay there and just take it, it's boring and you might as well be masturbating. Good sex is great when the woman moans, pulls you in, bites, scratches, wraps her legs around you, etc etc.

>>40318676
Well pussies can be all shapes and forms

/fit/, genetically gifted girls usually have naturally tight and well-shaped pussies, that by default feels better than your regular pussy

The reason the sex can be mediocre however, is usually because they're prudish, too passive or just boring in bed

>>40318327
brap?

>>40318685
But the hot girl was a bitch who was tryinng to change who he was

>>40318689
She was annoying as fuck

Would get jealous over the smallest things and get into drunken fights with her friends I had to step in and solve

>>40318327

No? You are literally basing your claim on a sample size of one hot girl.

>>40318327
Yes.

I've been in serious relationships with 4 models and a couple fashion designers and they're all worthless.

The chick I'm talking to now wants to counsel children who have lost their parents. She has big boobies and a pretty face but I wouldn't call her a model by any means. She doesn't even wear makeup.

However she's the sweetest girl I've ever met and will do anything in bed.

>>40318623
>you know that feeling when a girl cums while you're inside her and her vag just grips your dick like it doesn't wanna let go?
>

>>40318685
Ya, but he was also chasing after someone who he thought was amazing. Just like Op, he chased after a girl who he though was a sex goddess because he is probably polluted by looking at thick fitness girls on Instagram and porn.

He finally hooks up with the chick played by Scarllet and he says something along the lines of "girls this hot don't have to suck dick".

The movie is exactly about Ops situation.

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>>40318791
lmao

>>40318640
>you have to go back

>>40318640
>the actors names aren't aligned with the actors heads

WHO GREENLIGHTED THAT FUCKING POSTER

>>40318327
I cannot fucking stand the entitlement that all hot chicks have. They think they are the best thing to grace god's earth and act like it too.
I've had a simple normal gf for years and it's been much better. She actually appreciates me instead of expecting me to worship her, she actually cooks for me and will do a random act of kindness for me like unexpectedly show up to my job with a home cooked meal sometimes.

>>40319063
actors names are, as always, ordered in terms of who is getting payed the most

>>40318731
pretty much this.

She also had no ambitions and a shit ton of insecurites and constantly hold you back. Am i right?

Am 90% sure this is some sort of advanced BRAAAAAP posting.

>With Qt3.4 redhead end of college
>Date for a few years after
>She slowly gets out of shape and lazy
>I get in better shape and more proactive
>Used to treat me like a God
>Now shes a fucking gains goblin

Dropping her when I land a job. IMpossible to meet people where I currently live

>>40318327
*Deep grumbling and moaning while the most evil and disgusting spirits fester in the catacombs of her bowels, far down to the core of her soul where the most repulsive and pungent demons dwell, a portal is opens very briefly and they escape into the outside world to punish and terrorize the nostrils of men*

*BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPFFFPFF* Teehee, oopsie.

>>40318640
Really good movie if you guys haven't seen it. I went in with low expectations, but it has a pretty good perspective.

>>40319291
*sniff sniff* OOOHHHhhh yesss quite lovely do I se-

BBBRRAAPPPTTSSSffffssff

Oh yes! I sense MusclePharm Comabt Pooter tooting along with a bit of almond and..oooo fried egg my dead yes more please

are you stupid? keep going for the 9/10s bro, if you can get good girls why settle for bad ones? just find a amazingly hot girl that doesn't annoy the fuck out of you

>>40318496
a guy that fucks more than 1 girl every decade is a chad to you? lol i'm pretty autistic and not even that good looking and when i was single i wreked pussy every week, shit is so fucking easy on parties that it isn't even funny, thats why i only go to high scores now, 5/10s are common on bars and parties, so you can hit on 10 of them on a night to make out with 1 or 2, but hotties are rare pieces, so you need to be careful and charming

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>>40318640
WHY DO MOVIE POSTERS ALWAYS DO THIS
WHO STARTED IT?

>>40319108
go study a bit of marketing noob

>>40319398
It's tradition that it goes in the order of who got paid the most.

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>"Yeh bruh I´ll get that 10/10 babe who cares about personality lmao i´ll just wing it"

You manchildren are in for quite a ride

>>40319398
God that´s fucking annoying.

>>40318399
>I can't give woman what they need! It's not my fault, I'm a good man it must be the sexual revolution and medias fault!

Yeah dude, why do so many people (even unattractive, poor ones) have NO problem getting a gf? You're the problem, time to face reality kiddo.

>>40318327
The hottest chick I have ever dated has treated me the best. She wanted to be serious though so we are no longer together.

>>40318370
Tbh the better you look than a girl the more she's going to fucking worship the ground you walk on. Almost makes fat chicks worth it.

>Date hot girl with ambition and drive
>Feel insecure because she doesn't give me enough attention
>Date hot "dumb" girl with no ambition/hobbies/interests
>Feel annoyed because she is constantly giving me attention

Brehs I think I might be gay

>>40318385
how do you become too old for a website dumbass? also not same fag

>>40318445
fuck i feel like this makes a ton of sense, but im also high

>match with girl on tinder
>4/10 face but the ass is fat
What do I do

>>40318791
stop you bastard youre going to make me call my ex

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>>40319691
brown paper bag and hit it from the back. duh

>>40319646
>Brehs I think I might be gay

>Feel insecure because she doesn't give me enough attention

nah you aren't gay. you're a little bitch, which is worse

Advice from bros that score rather often please?
I spent last 4,5 years in a long distance relationship, didn't want to cheat
That ended and now it is my time to get back into game, but I lost my skill
I am confident and can talk with girls, but when it comes to approaching girls solely for sex I have no clue, or motivation how to do it
Can anyone provide some advice or talk about your experiences in approaching girls with whom you don't have mutual friends with etc??

i dated a girl in highschool who went on to become a fitness chick.. didnt like her pussy but she had the fattest ass and big tits and was wanted by every guy in school

>felt like a chad for a while
>eventually she became too clingy

whatever, all girls are different. i have a better time with girls who i don't have to chase around for months and degrade myself. solid 7's suck your dick without question, give great sex, and don't bitch at you too much if you act detached

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>>40319691
invite her over when your roommates are asleep so they don't roast you even though they get no pussy

n-not like I'm speaking from experience or anything...

>>40318623
So kegels.

>>40318327
women are for birthing and raising kids only

>>40319816
Lol

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>>40318334
First post best post. Come, OP, your brothers await with open arms, and legs.

>>40319602
hes saying they dont make effort because they dont have to

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>>40319657
well you can be allways too old for this finnish Beaver' toes fanclub board

>>40318327
Yeah, they are only hot for a few years. A few years, after they are married they let themselves go.

>>40318445
>deepdown they know they're worthless fuck toys

No..no they don't.

That's why they feel so entitled.

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>>40319931

>>40318327
I had a virgin girlfriend I broke up with because she annoyed me, will never find another virgin at my age and realised that before I ended it.

The final redpill is realising that the perfect pure girl you were looking for wont necessarily make you happy

>>40322017
You have to make you happy

>>40322151
I did. I got a girlfriend who didn't make me want to kill someone

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>>40322017
>Wanting a virgin

>>40318327

My buddy calls it "the sweet spot"


Grills around 7-7.5/10 who are hot enough to make your dick jump but aren't a pain in the ass like dimes essentially always are. Save the dimes for psycho fuck buddies

>>40318327

I had a similar experience. In college I hooked up with my first and last 9/10 chick. She just kind of layed there. Great to look at but very eh sex. Also she was very materialistic and spent all of her parents money and stupid shit like Starbucks and make up. She was disrespectful and treated her parents like shit even though she still lived with them/relied on them.

It pissed me off and now I'm fucking a 7/10 but she fucks like a demon and we actually have alot in common.

I still love to lift for myself and now and then a hottie will talk to me at a bar or a friends house or whatever but I can't forget that just because a girl looks good doesn't mean you actually want to be around them.

It's like the weirdest and most ironic thing about making it. That's why lifting for girls is stupid because they will dissapoint you. Going for the 7/10 girl next door type is god tier. The 9/10s are so used to attention they don't put any effort in and they lack that sense of humor and entitlement that very hot chicks have if that makes any sense.

>>40322248

I agree with this so much man. 7s can be hot and are often well adjusted and normal. Can be funny, have friends, have hobbies, often good in bed. 9/10 types are so used to ass kissing and entitlement they end up being boring in bed, have bad personalities or are simply just a hassle to hang out with because there are dozens of suitors at any given time that you have to deal with. 9/10s are great for fuck buddies but are always fucking mental and essentially are too much of a hassle to date.

Best sex of my life was with a 6/10. She did everything I wanted, pussy to mouth, swallowed cum, would let me fuck her from any position in any part of her house. God tier hand job and sucking skills. Anectdotal I know but it's always in the back of my mind.

>>40319628
id rather fuck an ugly chick than a fat chick

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>>40318640
this movie is so fucking stupid Scarjo tells don jon to get a better job, work on his education, and stop jerking off every fucking day. Sounds like a good GF to me

>>40323045
When you're dating for a while, you stop seeing anything above 8/10 as a potential partner.

That much effort put into looks usually means that she's conceited and will eventually bore the shit out of you.

Almost always easy to score as well, if you put on a bit of a show.

>>40319898

I relate to this so much. I dated a 8 or 9/10 depending on your tastes for awhile. She was rude, dumb and kind of mean. Sex was mediocre though she gave great head and was absolutely my fetish. Petite brunette with long straight hair, big ass, tan skin, perky b cup titties. Very model/germanic looking face, green eyes.

Anyways, the whole time I was seeing her I felt like we had nothing in common and it bothered me how she had a very high maitanance attitude about always needing to eat out or go shopping. Never did anything nice for me like cook me dinner.

Now I'm seeing a 7/10 cute face, huge tits and ass and we have a bunch in common and the sex is great. She is polite and has a nice family that she gets along with. She is intelligent and getting her masters.

I think super hot girls who play games or make you jump through a bunch of hoops to fuck them aren't worth it in the long run because often times they have bad personalities from a lifetime of everyone catering to them and being extra nice because of how attractive they are. Normal chicks are so much better and less of a headache imo.

>>40318801

Haha that happened to me once. Got this hot girl in my bed and she said kid you not "Do whatever you want to me but I don't do bjs."

I proceeded to fuck her from every position I could think of before cumming on her back and passing out. Beautiful girl but haha no bjs? I'd rather date a 6 or 7/10 that gives good head than a 8 or a 9 that won't blow me like wtf.

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>>40318327
Mmmm she got a big ole butt

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>>40318590
this picture is making me laugh uncontrollably thank you
>>40318327
Dont go for girls with huge social media interaction unless you wanna have chats with a fucking 5 year old mind about retarded pointless shit constantly

A lot of cynicism in this thread... I used to think along the same lines as pretty much this entire thread, that hot girls are just vapid and annoying, that they have bad personalities. And it was right for a really long time..

Until you meet a hot girl that isn't like that. And the you're just like, well fuck. I've met two girls like that, one was a runway model who was pretty hippy, and the other one was a religious college athlete.

Both 9/10s, the college athlete was 6'2" if you're into that, and they completely fucked over my preconceived notions on women.

If you still think that all hot women are terrible people on the inside, then you just haven't met the one that changes your mind yet. But you'll know when you do.

>>40318461
I like to fuck almost any chick, it doesn't matter to me what her x/10 is because my dream is to be like how Genghis Khan was with his breeding behavior.
I've fucked
>hot chicks
>fat chicks
>ugly chicks
>two 300+ lb chicks
high test
>/fit/ chicks
>skelly chicks
>scene girls
>college volleyball player
You name it. I haven't worn a condom since I was a freshman in highschool and it's been 8 years since. I've only ever pulled out 3 times. I have 14 kids with different women.

>>40319628
Its weird and creepy to have people worship you without having to do anything

>>40318623
I swear I'm not just doing this for the (you)s. It was essentially just kegels, just strong ones. I can do it too, and heavy squats are what allowed me to do it. They're great at strengthening your pelvic floor. I got tight as fugg and can clamp down pretty hard. I did it once to my ex and he doubled over and said it felt like a hand grabbed him. I could keep it going for a while. She just had a well trained pelvic floor. This is why squats are important ladies.

>>40318327
No.

>>40323830
What is the final red pill then?

>>40318327
>Prudish and farts alot
Protein farts aren't a meme anon.

>>40318640
>nofap: the movie

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>>40322157

>>40318709
yes

I can't even get a five out of ten so idk what to tell you man. I think i need to change my look for college

>>40323865
I thought that was obvious enough. Bitch had a strong pelvic floor. Kegels and/or heavy squats can do this. It's not terribly special but it's not common either. Like strengthening anything, it takes time and dedication.

>>40318327

Welcome to the final circle. Hot women are fucking entitled bitches.

Never. Fucking. Again.

I only go for women who approach me first now.

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>>40319931
>my roommates make fun of me for never bringing girls around or talking to girls and for being a virgin
>none of them bring girls around or talk to girls except one or have sex at all

its honestly pathetic, i let them have this though

>never fell for the redpill. was always aware but just laughed at autists who did.

>date a girl for 4 years, she cheats and tries to hide it
>give her a chance to come clean, she doesn't so I dump her.
>at this point making damn sure I don't fall for the redpill, keeping a healthy attitude towards women
>keep telling myself I just got unlucky
>find another girl, hang out with her for a few weekends
>a month into it, nothing serious, find out she has a boyfriend after fucking me
>this destroys me internally, dump her immediately
>last week, asked out by a girl (lost confidence and stopped approaching)
>she's very attractive and smart but has already started playing games with me

Just trying to stay sane brehs, but it's hard out here.

Don't wanna fall for the redpill but they really aren't making a good case for themselves

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>>40318327

>>40319691
the ass was fat? sounds like an easy decision to me

>>40319691
do nothing cos matches dont mean shit

>>40324922
>falling for the redpill

All guys know this is how chicks work, you don't have to go on a forum and constantly shit on women and masturbate to see that

>>40323331
How do you get away with it? I.e. not paying shitloads of alimony

>>40325822
im a nigger

>>40319832
I would go get totally shitfaced then go to bars and just hit on whatever caught my eye try to get it to dance/make out with them then ask if they want to go home with me. If it's a no I pretty much just ditch her and go find another on the spot, fuck it I'm hammered and in the bar for one reason.
It's really not that complicated
Also works really well if you're attractive and in good shape

>>40319745
THICC

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>>40318327

Been there.

>23 years old
>athletic and good looking
>see solid 9/10, 10/10 if you like redheads in my class
>figure what the hell and start talking to her
>go on some dates and realize that she's boring as hell but she's a 9/10 so w/e
>eventually fuck
>incredible body, but lazy and self-centered in the sack
>every aspect of sex had to be about her or she lost interest
>realize that her selfishness in bed was just a metaphor for the rest of the relationship I was completely blind to
>every movie we saw had to be her choice
>every time we ate the restaurant had to be something she wanted
>every date we had needed to be set to her schedule
>every conversation topic we had needed to be what she wanted to talk about at that point
>dump her
>ignore 9/10s for the rest of my life

Sweet spot is definitely 7 or 8.

>>40318327
>tfw no BBBBRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPFFFPPTTEEEEEZIP gf

>>40326643
Nah 7s are too approachable and get hit on too much and can have hyperinflated egos from the attention. 8 is the sweet spot

>>40324951
brap

>>40326643
>every movie we saw had to be her choice
you just got cucked
by a girl

>>40318399
you are seriously out of touch with the real world

>>40319108

They aren't even fucking aligned correctly.

>>40318399
>I basically have no interaction with women but I know what they're like because I listen to virgins on the internet (who also never touched a woman irl)

>>40320340
Baww life is unfair. Grow up

I made the mistake of dating women as or more attractive than me. Not fucking worth it. Great body, tight pussy, and a face you're not ashamed to take out in public. Anything more and 9/10 times it's more trouble than it's worth.

>>40318327
Honestly I think you are on to something. I have been fortunate enough to date some really hot women (I have money, not looks) and underneath the looks there is just nothing there. No hobbies, social media addicts, and they are generally just dull people who are arm candy. Which is fair enough if that is what you want.

I date average looking women now who are genuinely nice people and fun to spend time with, life is just better that way.

>>40319398
wtf i just screenshot this exact thing before scrolling down, its fucking hilarious

Would fit date (not just fuck) a formerly fat chick? I've lost about 100 lbs, and look pretty decent now. Think objectively 7-8/10 face and a pretty good body with clothes on, but I've got loose skin and saggy tits. However, and it's hard to say this about yourself, but I think I have a pretty developed personality and good sense of humor because I was fat for so long. I also have drive and motivation to constantly better myself. Thoughts?

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Hot gf thread?

Went on a date with this amazing and hot 10/10 girl. After a lot of dating, I mean like, I'm 27 yo and have only ever dated girls before, not had a girlfriend, so I dated a lot. And it felt like this new girl is who I've been waiting for. I fell head over heels for her. So much that I was nervous during the date even. But I didn't manage to create a spark, and she said in the end "now you have a new friend :) " ........ and now she has some other guy as a boyfriend, a manlet with a good jaw who does jiujitsu and art.

Can't stop thinking about her. I started dating someone else, but even when fucking her I sometimes think about the other girl.... It's been 6 months.

What do I do? "Become what you want to attract"? So I jumped into music. I'm learning an instrument and I'm learning to sing. I tried an acting class but didn't like it. I do hand crafting. And I do volunteer work. Will she notice me some day? Dump her boyfriend for me?

>>40327774
Yup, I am in to saggy tits though so would probably be my preference

>>40327858
Not going to happen m8. Move on, that ship has sailed

>>40327774

pics?

>>40327858

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY3rT2N1Ecs

>tfw spent months chasing this 9/10 girl
>finally have sex with her
>lose all attraction and begin chasing another girl
wtf is wrong with me. i get so hyped up for the chase but after its over I just realize she isn't all that interesting.

don't even watch porn

>>40327878
Why?

>>40328056

this is literally all women. don't ever put pussy on a pedestal.

>>40327858
M8 just find another one.

>>40319269
I know that feel. I was lonely after breaking my relationship off, but she because a force working against all my aspirations and goals. I'm going to join Tinder soon and hope to at least run through some pussy while I decide what a girl I'd want to ideally be in a relationship will be like long term. We'll see brah.

>>40318350
kek

>>40323129

>hey guys I haven't watched it lemme spout my opinion

>>40323331
>because my dream is to be like how Genghis Khan was with his breeding behavior

He banged hot chicks though anon.

The women were lined up after a conquest and the best looking sent to the Khan.

>>40325822
>Alimony

get yourself an insecure 28yo girl with a job. crazy pussy and looking for life partners, so you see the best of them.

of course when the relationship fails, it's brutal, but hey, crazy pussy.

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>>40318791

>>40328056
its your insecurity causing you to seek validation through banging hot chicks

>>40318689
Bc crazy obviously.

>>40318640
Guy in this movie gives up weights for b ball as part of his transformation. ..

>>40323129
Nice try beta neckbeard fedora tipper. Go be a fag door mat somewhere else.

>>40324951

>*BBBRAAAPPPTTSS* so hard it pushes the water back

>>40318334
fpbp

>>40323129

are those people in your pic teenagers? looks to young to be college students. gosh i hate teenage girls, theyre so stupid. rather have an adult. adults are old eough to breed.

>>40326643
>>40326819

you both would probably have different ideas on what a "7" or "8" actually is

>>40319334
>hot
>not annoying

Pick one

>>40318632
>sourceniggering
>>>/reddit/

>>40319602

You're retarded dude. Girls who are sexy as fuck make no effort because they know someone will put up with their shit. I choose for it not to be me. I only go for the shy office type of girls anymore. They are very homely and do anything they can to please you.

I'm seeing a 7/10 French qt, not gr8 at fuck tho. How do I tell her this? And how can I help improve her sexual skills?

>>40318385
>agelet

>>40318699
Can you please go on with the etc etc?
I want to know what to do when I eventually lose my virginity. I feel like I'll be terrible in bed.

>>40324922


Welp.

You're stupid, and that's clear as day.

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>>40319398
>who started it

>>40336360
the goyim are starting to catch on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShxBV9ccEE

>>40336475
why are they only dancing around with other men? a bit gay, that

>>40318334
Yeah I agree! Now let's suck each other's dicks!

>>40328056
Wanting is better than having, at least that's what I've always experienced so far.

>>40318399
Make that 99.9%.

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>>40328056
Literally the same just thing just happened to me. As in I just dropped this girl home after telling her that I don't feel the same anymore.

I met her, thought she was incredible, spent time getting to know her, found myself wanting to to settle down with her.

We had sex and then I lost the attraction. During sex I looked around and just did not want to be there.

Why.

>>40323091
>pussy to mouth
>swallowed cum
>would let me fuck her in any position

had a good chuckle lad

Dating a smart fitness chick, 9/10 body but maybe 7/10 face. It's great. Hot as fuck but also very insecure, thinks she cant do better than me etc (im pretty much dyel still) so its easy to keep her loyal. No risk of her going after chads or cheating.

Sex is great, she's smart so i don't get bored with her. Only downside is the food. She's unbelievably strict about food. Won't go into details, but everything is counted and i get a death stare every time i eat something with sugar or something fatty.

But in the end its great. I've dated some hot but dumb chicks in the past. It sucks. Fun for a while but its too easy and i get bored fast with them.

>>40318334
Well then, what the fuck is the point

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>tfw you will never workout or have sex with Enji Night

>>40318327
Final redpill is realizing why everyone on /fit/ is gay and everyone lifting for grills are still in denial.