Let's cut the bullshit /fit/. We need to admit that all of those "gainz" don't mean shit. People who don't pin test look like shit, they will always look like pic related. You just cannot look good unless you pin testosterone, this is the natty limit.
Anyone with visible abs is roiding, don't fall for these trolls and waste your time lifting as a natty, it's not worth it. If you want to get any gains you need to go on test, a cycle only costs $100, do it or you will always be a DYEL.
>>40163867
>Anyone with visible abs is roiding
>>40163970
>he thinks you can get visible abs without being a roid monkey
>>40163979
i've had abs since i was like 14. visible abs are insanely easy to get.
6/10 if trolling
>>40163867
>Those asymetrical pecs
That looks like a partial tear
>this is the natty limit.
Actually, pic related is the natty limit for average genetics. But 99 percent of /fit/ will never reach this since it takes 10 years of consistent training and good nutrition.
>>40163986
Post pics. If you don't you're a lying DYEL. If you do and have abs you're a roider.
>>40163979
Plenty of skellies have abs.
>>40163986 for example, had them since he was 14.
The only people who say they're "insanely easy" to get are absolute skellies though. Building a respectable amount of mass and then cutting to show the abs is not easy in any way. It requires dedication and consistency, and some real hard work in the gym.
It is achievable natty though.
>>40163997
Yeah, but helms is some kind of rocket scientist who's entire life is built around that stuff.
>>40163867
How many cycles of tren do you think this took OP?
>>40164026
That guy's definitely on dbol.
>>40163867
>>40163997
And if you have insane, ridiculous genetics, it's more like pic related or a young Ronnie Coleman (pre IFBB days). A lot of people, including fellow Mr. O contender Chris Cormier, have backed up his claim that he was natty until 1994. It make sense if you think about it; he's a black American from Louisiana. His ancestors were obviously slaves bred to the biggest and strongest on the plantation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqlgz9y9kag
>>40163867
ITT: Faggot druggie OP flails about madly in a vain attempt to defend his roid addiction.
Go get into rehab you sick fuck.
>>40164026
That's probably DNP and calisthenics bro.