ITT: myths burgerfaggots like to use >vegans have lower

>>40142602
ITT: myths leafchodes like to use

>articles from www.totallynotveganpropaganda.com are factual and completely unbiased!

>>40142638
nutritionfacts.org
>vegan propaganda site

found the salty meatbaby

how are those bowel tumors coming along?

>>40142646
>huh, I can't hear you, speak louder and from your chest

>>40142669
>i lack an argument but here's this incoherent rambling

here's your (You)

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>>40142646
>NUTRITIONFACTS.ORG is a strictly non-commercial, science-based public service provided by Dr. Michael Greger, providing free updates on the latest in nutrition research via bite-sized videos.

Boy that Dr. Greger sure seems like an interMichael Herschel Greger is an American physician, author, and professional speaker on public health issues, particularly the benefits of a whole foods, plant-based, healthy diet and the harms of eating animal products. He is a vegan and creator of NutritionFacts.org.

Oh boy let me google that guy real quick

>Michael Herschel Greger is an American physician, author, and professional speaker on public health issues, particularly the benefits of a whole foods, plant-based, healthy diet and the harms of eating animal products. He is a vegan and creator of NutritionFacts.org.

Oh wow, looks like nutritionfacts.org is owned and operated by an outspoken, high profile vegan. Surely that means his website is unbiased, right?

That site is literally vegan propaganda. People don't hate vegans because their diet is stupid (which it is, by the way). People hate vegans because of people like you who spend all day on www.veganconfirmationbias.com and spew bullshit "facts."

Your fad diet is honestly so cult-like it's scary.

Also, yfw I had 2 chicken breasts today.

>meatfags too btfo from the very first post to even reply to the thread, better let it slide down to obscurity so we cant be wrong

>>40142701
Omit paragraph 2

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>>40142701
>American physician, author, and professional speaker on public health issues

>also happens to be vegan

propaganda!!!1!1 fucking vegans!

yeah how strange, a licensed physician has a healther diet than you. no one was surprised

>>40142602
If thats true then why has Vegan Stains made no gainz?
>checkmate

>>40142722
DELTE THIS

>>40142701

>all these facts about vegsnism are 100% true
>it says so right here on this vegan website

>all these facts about god are 100% true
>it says so right here in the Bible

>all these facts about Allah are true
>it says so right here in the Koran

>all these facts about HAES are true
>it says so right here on this tumblr infograph

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>>40142722

here's jake shields, a vegan mma fighter who would pound you into mush until you cry like the frustrated meatchild you are

>>40142736

Which divisional championships do they hold?

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>>40142735


http://nutritionfacts.org/video/harvards-meat-and-mortality-studies/


>website uses harvard studies as sources

>WAAAH PROPAGANDA
harvard must be a vegan shill website too, right? you're not just frustrated because you're btfo?

>>40142716
That's like saying:

>American author, and professional speaker on social issues

>also happens to be in the kkk

But yeah totally any website of his will be completely unbiased.

>>40142602
This whole board is pathetic

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>>40142743
>31 wins 9 losses

do you really want to attempt to argue that he couldnt sully your asshole and make you beg for mercy?

cognitive dissonance at work

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>>40142736
here's john fitch, a non vegan mma fighter who just got done beating the shit out of your saladfucking hero.

>>40142736
>Where is chest?
Wow a trained fighter can beat me up? Call CNN I've got a headline for them
>TRAINED FIGHTER MURDERS UNTRAINED CIVILIAN

Plant eating bitch, cant even get laid because eating pussy is still considered carniverous

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>>40142755
see
>>40142746

>>40142736
Now imagine all the meat eaters that would pound you, you idiot

>>40142736
he's not vegan he's vegetarian you dumbfuck

>>40142746

I'm sure they compare people with vegan diets to lazy slobs who eat shitty processed food. There's a big difference between a healthy diet and an unhealthy diet even when they both contain meat. You keep posting the same source, because it's like your vegan tumblr. If vegsnism is so awesome, why did Italy just make it illegal to raise children as vegans? I guess they just don't have any scientists or neutririonists in Italy, right?

>>40142701

>began eating a vegan diet after being convinced by research that it's a healthy way to eat
>created hundreds of videos explaining why
>durr biased propaganda!

>>40142791
stop samefagging op

>>40142771
>mma fighters train muscles used for fighting
woah, such a shocker

>>40142769
>fight lasted 5 rounds
>not even a knockout

so nothing happened

>>40142763

I never said I could beat him, I'm just asking in what division is he champion? Surly with his amazing vegan abilities he can't be dominated by some cancer riddled meat eater, right?

>>40142716
>2017, not realizing scientists are shilling.

global warming, GMO, tobacco, diets.

Did Dr. Oz teach you nothing? Theyre all for sale to the highest bidder.

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>>40142796
>stop samefagging op

feel free to go consume a cock

>>40142787

>If vegsnism is so awesome, why did Italy just make it illegal to raise children as vegans?

they didn't. you're thinking of a proposal that one ignorant politician made, not an official law.

>>40142797
Wow, supply an arguement at anytime. Why are Vegans always 110lb beta faggots? Does the diet of rabbit food turn them into faggots?

>>40142799
>diet has a bearing on fighting skills

this is the mind of a meat eater at work

jake shields has a better record than jake fitch

>>40142807
>31 posts
>9 posters

yeah okay you're totally not samefagging

>>40142814
It's impossible to eat nothing but plants everyday and not turn into a pussy.

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>>40142814
>austin aries 202lbs at 5'9

>your argument
>valid

pick one

>>40142818
i would be happy to point out which posts are mine if you're really so butthurt and perturbed about it

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> mfw vegans are the most autistic posters on /fit/


can't you vegancucks just make a general and go cirlcejerk about how superior you are instead of shitting up the rest of the board

>>40142811

Well you got me there. All the same though, you are no better than a fucking bible thumper trying to force your skewed beliefs on others. Next you will say we evolved as plant eaters, and the fact we have teeth for tearing apart meat is completely coincidental.

>>40142797
Your boy post because he couldn't outlast the meat

>>40142602
Oh look it's another veganzealot vs meatcuck thread.

>>40142839
nope, it's fun to shit on meat eaters who use appeal to nature fallacies to think theyre superior

>>40142829
> pro wrestler who does steroids
> no guise hes totally jacked because hes a vegan

>>40142829
the fact that he's roiding and that small makes it very apparent that he's vegan

>>40142842
>every fast food commercial shows some grinning faggot chomping down into a burger in slow motion

>this isnt foisting your beliefs on others, this isnt borderline mind control


>>40142843
here's your (You)

>>40142850
>>40142855
>im a meat eater and this vegan is bigger than me so i'm going to assume he's on steroids

haha nice

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>>40142861
>borderline mind control

>>40142842

>my beliefs are the right beliefs
>fuck you for having a different one near me

kek that you think we have

>teeth for tearing apart meat

your canines? those centimeter long nubs that any herbivorous monkey would put to shame? of all the dumb things to raise as a point

>>40142817

>boasts about a vegan mma fighter
>diet has no effect on fighting skills

Then why the fuck does it matter? He had accomplished less than fighters who aren't vegan, so the fact he is vegan is completely worthless by your own words. Isn't this a bit hypocritical? Especially since you kept saying he could wreck me? He could wreck me because he is a better fighter, and his diet has nothing to do with it. Is that what you are saying? Maybe you just don't know what the fuck you are saying, because you don't have a way to win this conversation...

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>>40142877
>let us compare, in the first image, a healthy looking woman eating a salad

and now, the average person who eats fast food and cheeseburgers

were you planning on making a point?

>>40142879
the whole point is that meatfags assume that vegans are weak, tiny betas who cant even put on muscle mass and its proven wrong time after time after time

>>40142878

You're the one going on and on about how your beliefs are the right beliefs, you condescending twat. We don't give 2 shits if you want to be a fucking vegan. You're the one saying how everyone who isn't a vegan is a dumb fuck. We are calling you a dumb fuck for saying everyone needs to be a vegan. Holy fucking hypocritical!

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>>40142890
ooh i can google picture too!

>>40142602
Vegans literally are not capable of having original thoughts.

>>40142902
>fat guy trying to eat healthy to lose some weight and live a better life

i see nothing wrong

>>40142900
>time and time again

You mean every once in a while someone comes along and is the exception to the rule? Oh ya, that's time and time again, because every vegan is a champion bodybuilder or mma fighter, and there are no fat vegans, or vegans with cancer...

>>40142906
i'm a vegan and here's an original thought, go eat a pound of beef every day until your bowel tumors cause your anus to close shut and you become as full of shit physically as you are mentally

>>40142913

>I'm a vegan and here's an original thought
>go eat more meat than your body requires until it kills you

Literally incapable of original thoughts...

>>40142910
> and there are no fat vegans, or vegans with cancer...

no one said this. however there are endless studies by universities and scientists confirming that eating meat correlates with higher risk of cancer, type 2 diabetes, heart disease, etc

>>40142910
My point exactly.

>>40142920
that was an original thought, i made it just for you. you just said the exact same shit two posts in a row. youre the one being unoriginal here, meatfag

>>40142861
> /x/

>>40142907
It's clearly not working is what's wrong.

>>40142925
Meant >>40142913

>>40142901

these are the two posts I've made in this thread >>40142878 >>40142811

>You're the one saying how everyone who isn't a vegan is a dumb fuck

op's taking the piss but what you said was dumb as fuck and ironic because you had just compared me to a bible thumper and then used the canine argument like a creationist uses a shitty psuedologic stock answer to stump atheists

>banana fits in my hand so god exists
>this type of tooth is called a canine so that means I'm part werewolf and designed to rip a steak apart

>>40142933
>ten mcdonalds commercials in one hour isn't suggestive at all

looks like you've submitted to your fast food overlords fully

>>40142924

>comparing vegan diets to average non-vegan diets
>won't compare vegan diets to healthy non-vegan diets

Sure showed me...

>>40142950
Well that doesn't fit his narrative so of course he won't do that.

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>>40142950
that's because there's no such thing as a healthy non vegan diet :^)

>>40142950

Comparing average vegan diets to average non-vegan diets. You'd rather they compare average vegans to specially selected omnivores?

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>>40142932

Just for me, huh?

>>40142966
just for you. because you salty meat eaters are all the same with your unoriginal, half baked arguments

>>40142950

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/

>look at a blue zone where healthy lifestyle habits are common and every diet group lives significantly longer than the rest of the population
>vegetarian diets show health benefits over meat diets
>vegan diets show further benefit

>>40142964

Exactly, because the average person isn't concerned with their health. You keep saying being a vegan is healthier than eating meat, when in reality it isn't. Being a vegan is healthier than eating the average diet, but so is eating a healthy diet including meat. Your vegan diet is not healthier than every diet that includes meat, but you try to make it sound like it is. Meat isn't the problem. Overconsumption of unhealthy meats is the problem. Overconsumption of anything is a problem. Being a vegan isn't the fucking answer. Eating a healthy diet, whether vegan or not, is the answer. You keep acting like you're the only one with the right answers, but you're not.

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>>40142961
>That image
BTFO

>>40142981
>meat isnt the problem

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11316316/Red-meat-triggers-toxic-immune-reaction-which-causes-cancer-scientists-find.html

>red meat literally triggers your immune system because its toxic

>not the problem


oh ok

>>40142701
>>40142735
>>40142787
>>40142799
>>40142814
>>40142827
>>40142879
>>40142901
>>40142920
>>40142950
You fucking idiots fall for this painfully obvious bait every time.

>>40142981
http://nutritionfacts.org/2012/09/20/why-meat-causes-inflammation/

>We've known for 14 years that a single meal of meat, dairy, and eggs triggers an inflammatory reaction inside the body within hours of consumption. This results in a stiffening of our arteries


>not the problem

>>40142876
> scrawny manlet
> bigger than anybody

W E W
E
W

>>40143003
body pic of you with timestamp now

>>40142945
> sitting around watching TV because you lack energy from your vegan lifestyle to get up and workout

>>40142961

>posts pics of a healthy vegan diet vs an unhealthy omnivorous diet
>assumes all omnivorous people eat burgers and fried food

You made my point. Rather than compare two identical diets with the exception that one includes regulated portions of lean meat, you compare a vegan diet to the diet of a fatass. You want me to compare my diet to some fat fuck vegan who eats nothing but peanut butter, noodles, deep fried tofu, French fries, and white bread? Who would be healthier then? You're so fucking ignorant, you can't accept the fact that many meat eaters eat the exact same food as vegans, except they also eat lean healthy portions of meat as well. I'm fucking done. You're no different than HAES supporters. You only use the statistics you want to use, with completely bias comparisons. This is why everyone hates vegans. It's not because of what you eat, it's because of who you are as people...

>>40142981
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/new-study-links-l-carnitine-in-red-meat-to-heart-disease-201304176083


>chemicals in meat linked to heart disease


>not the problem

>>40142981

>Being a vegan is healthier than eating the average diet, but so is eating a healthy diet including meat.

I agree, and I'm not one of the people arguing that any non-vegan diet is unhealthy. I think it should be recognized though that the healthiest non-vegan diets are those that are most like vegan diets, with a low intake of animal-sourced foods and high intake of plant foods. As this guy >>40142602
who runs the supposedly biased vegan website says, it's hard to say that a 100% vegan diet is necessarily healthier than the traditional Okinawan diet, which was something like 98% plant foods but with some fish and pork eaten during festivals.

The typical /fit/ diet that relies on meat and dairy daily for the bulk of protein is shit though.

>>40143015

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/vegan-meat-life-expectancy-eggs-dairy-research-a7168036.html

>Vegans have substantially lower death rates than meat-eaters, a major study has found.

The study has been published in the JAMA Internal Medicine Journal and reignites debate around increasingly popular vegan diets amid conflicting medical advice and evidence over their impact of proponents' health.

The research was undertaken by scientists at Massachusetts General Hospital, who monitored health and diet records of more than 130,000 people over the course of thirty years.
i'm glad you're triggered

>>40142772
Kkk uses fbi statistics

>>40143024
They eat more then just a little pork and fish.

>vegans

keke x20

>>40143039

"The traditional okinawa diet" not the modern okinawa diet was very low in meat and virtually no dairy or eggs

>>40143043
>coming into the thread to shitpost

meat eaters

>>40143031
Vegans are generally health conscious people while meat eaters are general population. Compair vegans with health conscious omnivores and get back to me.

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>>40143048
>the average vegan is more health conscious than the average meat eater

its almost like vegans have been suggesting this for decades

>>40143059
Yes, because if they don't watch what they eat, they'll end up deficient.

that's why my latest blood work was perfect and my resting HR is little above 40. why should i go vegan?

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>>40143069
same as literally anyone who doesnt pay attention to nutrition. ever heard the phrase overfed and undernourished?


>>40143073
let me know what your bloodwork is like after 30 years of eating meat

>>40143079
i'm 30 and have been eating meat my whole life

>>40143079
You can't pretend that this isn't a massive issue for vegans vs normies.

>>40143083
which means it wont be long at all before it starts catching up with you. you're not young anymore. you're proudly walking into heart attack and stroke territory

>>40142602
Nobody cares about your shitty cult. Go sit on a carrot, faggot.

>>40143093
i'll convince your mom to go vegan and she can sit on my carrot, cunt

>>40143090
based on what evidence? like i said, my blood work was perfect and my HR is amazing

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>>40143095

>>40143048

see >>40142980

>>40143096
http://www.everydayhealth.com/mens-health/avoiding-heart-attacks.aspx

>The risk of heart attack increases steadily for men after age 45, and the average age of a man having his first heart attack is about 66.

>About 565,000 men are expected to suffer a heart attack in 2009. Nearly half of those younger than 65 years old who have a heart attack will die within eight years. All told, heart disease is the number one killer of men in the United States.

>>40143069

>anyone who isn't vegan can eat whatever they want and easily get all their nutrition

>>40142602
what if i'm forced eating meat? i'm poor and can't afford vegan stuff because it is so overpriced compared to meat.

>>40142980
It's actually based on them reading the data from an older study and other studies.

And they also stated the fact that the adventists are in fact far more health conscious and don't do drugs helps as well.

We need a newer study that talks about this. Not the vegans trotting out the same one over and over again.

I'm sure the vegetarian and meat lobbies would pay any scientists handsomely for even the most semi biased work.

>>40142602
http://jap.physiology.org/content/jap/82/1/49.full.pdf
This study actually states the opposite.

As a matter of fact, a massive chunk of the positive health benefits that males see from going strictly vegan is due to the lowered testosterone production caused by the vegan diet.

>>40143132

>It's actually based on them reading the data from an older study and other studies.

Yeah, it's a summary of studies done on the Seventh Day Adventist community, which is a blue zone.

>And they also stated the fact that the adventists are in fact far more health conscious and don't do drugs helps as well.

They're all Adventists. Their lifespans together are longer than the rest of the country but this separates them by diet and looks at disease rates.

This is probably the best research there is on the topic right now

>>40143147
It's been fucking years and it's on a special as fuck group and they don't even take their actual lifestyle into account either.

Hell some of the other vegetarian groups studied showed little difference between them and similarly health conscious omnivores.

this study is fucking useless.

>>40143155

>published in 2014

How don't they take their lifestyle into account?

>>40143158
I misread, I thought it was from 2001.
Anyway, they simply do not take their lifestyle into account. They honestly only focus on their diet. Hell they don't even go into how many calories they eat.
And while what you eat is damned important, how much you eat, and your lifestyle is even more so.

>>40143173

They matched for BMI, physical activity, smoking, alcohol intake, ethnicity, and energy intake. For cancer, they also matched for family history, education, birth control and other female risk factors. There's always more factors to consider, but they certainly tried to even things out for comparison

>>40143203
No they didn't.
And I reread it again, they apparently used three 30+ year old studies.

And it's about adventists, not the average vegetarian.
They showed that the average health conscious vegan or vegetarian had no greater life expectancy then the average health conscious omnivore.

>>40142993
Prepare your anoose.

>>40142763
>31 wins against taxi drivers and wetherspoons bouncers
>means anything at all

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oh boy, another day, another ragepost by this herbivorous autist

>>40142848
> v-v-veganism is a natural diet! it's what humans EVOLVED to eat!
> f-fucking carnists! Stop appealing to nature!

>>40143268
you're playing tennis against a brick wall here

even if you've objectively pointed out that this study shows no significant differences between life expectancy, expect him to come back shrieking about

> muh animalz

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>>40142602
>vegans have lower testosterone!
>wrong

Vegans actually do have lower testosterone than non vegans.

Sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772
http://m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

>>40142701
Fucking destroyed

>>40142736
No shit, he's using steroids. He can eat dog shit every day and still make gains.

>>40142769
Vegans destroyed again.

>>40142900
Vegan Mma fighters use steroids and have gains from the steroid use, they have these gains despite their vegan diet not because of it lol

>>40142961
How is this even a comparison between healthy and unhealthy diets? They're literally eating the same exact food with the same exact nutritional value only one is getting more of it.

>It's yet another Samefag vegan bait thread

When will the shitty mods start banning you faggots?

>>40143142
What do you vegtards have to say about this?

>>40143268

>No they didn't

Come now.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/table/nutrients-06-02131-t002/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/table/nutrients-06-02131-t004/

>it's about adventists, not the average vegetarian.

It's about vegetarian adventists compared to non-vegetarian adventists. Vegetarian adventists appear healthier.

>>40142602
>myths
>vegans have lower testosterone!
>wrong
It's fact and backed up
>https://www.anabolicmen.com/fats-and-testosterone/
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html?m=1
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health
>https://authoritynutrition.com/7-evidence-based-health-reasons-to-eat-meat/
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
>http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/

>>40142602
unless you have clinically low t and need trt, dietary test gains are pure meme. you need supraphysiologic levels of t to make gains. normal fluctuations based on diet make zero difcerence. not against vegan diet, just saying.

>>40142602
>but this was offset by higher sex hormone binding globulin, and there were no differences between diet groups in free testosterone, androstanediol glucuronide or luteinizing hormone.

>>40143142
>>40145248

The study itself is shit and doesn't have to do with vegetarian or vegan diets, but the part being referenced about a vegetarian diet lowering T seems to have some information omitted

>Raben et al. (24) reported a significant decrease in resting T concentrations and an attenuation in the exercise-induced increase in T in male endurance athletes who switched from a meat-rich diet to a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet

Here's that study http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/1435181

> During exercise after 6 wk on the diets total T was also significantly lower on the V than on the M diet (P < 0.05).
>>Serum free testosterone, however, did not differ significantly during the 6 wk dietary intervention periods and neither did serum concentrations of sex hormone binding globulin, dihydrotestosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate, 4-androstenedione, estrone, estradiol, estrone sulphate, or gonadotropins

Disregarding that OP said vegans, not lacto-ovo vegetarians, this study says LO-veg had the same free testosterone, which is what matters.

>>40144536

First source is the one above, last one is the one referencing it

Second source doesn't distinguish free testosterone, but the vegetarians did enjoy less estrogen thanks to their fiber intake.

Third study also doesn't distinguish free testosterone, but the message it's giving is that having less unusable (non-free) testosterone floating around is a plus for cancer prevention.

So, you get at least as much free testosterone, with lower cancer risk, and less estrogen. Sounds good, right?

Is there any difference between being born vegan and becoming one or is it mostly a lifestyle?

>>40146383
Not that anon but
>doesn't distinguish free testosterone
>you get at least as much free testosterone

Now you're just presuming. That said, dietary effects on hormones, outside of deficiency have fuck all impact on gains.

Double or triple test at the very least, you're not going to see shit otherwise.

>>40146548

His first/last reference showed that free T is unaffected, as do other studies, so I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that the other studies, had they separated free from bound testosterone, would show the same.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/S0007114590000897
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10883675

But yeah, minor test difference don't mean much. OP didn't need to post what he posted and the rest of these studies didn't need to pop up either.

>>40146445
Forcing a child to be vegan is child abuse.

Children who are raised on strict vegan diets do not grow normally:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4067152
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8005079

Children develop rickets after prolonged periods of strict vegetarian diets:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874810/pdf/canmedaj01383-0052.pdf

"There are some links between vegetarians and lower birthweight and earlier labour"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7788369

Effects of vitamin B12 and folate deficiency on brain development in children:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3137939/

"Particular attention should be paid to adequate protein intake and sources of essential fatty acids, iron, zinc, calcium, and vitamins B12 and D. Supplementation may be required in cases of strict vegetarian diets with no intake of any animal products."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/

These next five are case studies:

Cerebral atrophy in a vitamin B12-deficient infant of a vegetarian mother:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25076673

Severe megaloblastic anemia in child breast fed by a vegetarian mother:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8442642

Consequences of exclusive breast-feeding in vegan mother newborn - case report:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19748244

Nutritional vitamin B12 deficiency in a breast-fed infant of a vegan-diet mother:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3948463

"We report the case of a 7 month-old girl that presented with acute anemia, generalized muscular hypotonia and failure to thrive. Laboratory evaluation revealed cobalamin deficiency, due to a vegan diet of the mother."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18293883

>>40142602
Vegans would not be near as bad if they were not so fucking annoying.

>>40142736
>vegan
the look of utter depression on his face already told me that

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>>40146425
:^)

>>40142993
>You fucking idiots fall for this painfully obvious bait every time.
This wouldn't be a problem is countless threads didn't spam this bait "every time"

>>40147065
OP here. i'm not even vegan but vegans and the people easily triggered by them make for the most hilarious threads and i swear i can sense peoples blood pressure rise when they argue with me. i just had some mac and cheese bites on a chicken sandwich. this thread has been full of keks and it emboldens my arguing skills because im arguing a point i dont even really support

>>40146846

Don't get carried away. Macrobiotic diets are religious diets that usually aren't vegetarian (includes fish) and emphasize eating low calorie meals, which aren't always adequate for growing children. Rickets also isn't caused by a vegetarian diet, it's caused by low vitamin D levels.

B12 is definitely an issue-- those who don't supplement B12 are at risk for health problems. This isn't a hard problem to fix though, just take a B12 vitamin once a week or eat fortified foods. It can be as simple as switching from cow's milk to almond milk.

>>40142836
>I learned how to inspect element and think nobody knows
Jesus shut the fuck up. Poster count doesn't lie my boy.

BS LIST:
> vegeterarianism
> veganism
> paleo-shmaleo - cause cave men knew better, so much fucking better they died before 30
> superfoods
> literally any overhyped """""""""""""""""""""""""HEALTHY"""""""""""""""""""""" bullshit pushed by expensive restaurant corps
> junk food = bad cuz muh transfat and processed food
> fat = bad
> gotta eat micro meal 12 times a day so your fucking intestines have no rest - that's OPTIMAL
> 10 g of protein per kg of mass for bodybuilding
> meat and any calory dense food = bad cuz VEGGIE (fucking hate that retarded word that's like saying "bads" instead of nazis) corps said so
> nutritional, fitness, health, sports, whatever the fuck else """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""SCIENCES"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" - literally lobbyism from the world of science
> 12 liters of water to stary HYDRATED even if you don't want to
> sugar = bad, salt = bad, any fucking thing that's not sponsored by GREENS (fuck me) corps = bad
> using sugar for caramelization

I'm sure there are more.

Do you notice that this shit is exactly the same as SISSY DIET for fetishistic faggots who wanna become trans because they can't get laid because they are raised to be weak yes man cocksuckers?
I'm not saying it's jews, but come on, the picture paints itself here.

>nutritionfacts.org
>actually believing a word Michael Greger says about diets when he sits as the director of Public Health and Animal Agriculture for the fucking Humane Society an organization with such close ties to PETA it may as well be the same organization
>seriously listening to a man that has been BTFO by other scientists in the scientific community https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illness-curable-by-veganism/

I don't take advice on how much meat I should consume from butchers why the fuck would I take advice from PETA activists?

You motherfuckers don't care whatsoever about nutrition, you don't care about fitness and you sure as shit don't care about the health of others. You'll use whatever hyperlink you can find to tell people that your ethical choice is a rational one.

I have a HumanInteractionFact.org for you, through discussion and debate all that happens is that people double down on their positions. The very act of logically putting your reasoning for your actions in your head to form a coherent argument is making your beliefs stronger.

It's only useful for empathizing with the opposing side but if you're speaking from a place where empathy is impossible be it an Anonymous image forum or being a combative, irritating shithead in person all that happens is that you reinforce your own beliefs. Militant vegans and PETA protesters radicalize themselves when they scream at people.

>>40147269
added sugar is bad and should be cut out/severely limited. i agree with the rest though.

>>40146293
see
>>40143142


This is concrete proof that you are full of shit.
A large majority of the positives that come from vegetarian diet for men is how it lowers their testosterone.
This is a fact.

>>40147302
Why do you people feel like you ABSOLUTELY FUCKING HAVE TO keep at least one tiny bit of bullshit? Is this like a memento?

>>40146295
Thank you steroid shill.
Meanwhile men who give up porn masturbation and eat fatty foods, lots of carbs and lift heavy and do compete with other men have ridiculous levels of test, very very low estrogen production, and their bodies use everybit of it's natural test to it's fullest.

>>40147344
>wah wah i dislike facts

>>40147269

>I DON'T WANT VEGETABLES MOM JUST GET ME MY TENDIES

>>40147407
hahah fagit i love them. go suck some cock veganosaurus

>>40147301

>BTFO by other scientists in the scientific community https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illness-curable-by-veganism/

She misrepresented practically everything he said in that speech.

http://donmatesz.
blogspot.com/2013/02/harriet-halls-critique-of-gregers.html

>>40147334
See what I posted, which I bet you didn't even read, and >>40146383
>This is concrete proof that you are full of shit
If you're not going to read and be a willfully ignorant idiot you don't any right to call anyone full of shit and the only thing it's concrete proof of is how much you can meme yourself.
>A large majority of the positives that come from vegetarian diet for men is how it lowers their testosterone.
No, it doesn't
>This is a fact.
No it's is something you so desperately want to believe that you're wiling to ignore actual well done research on science and biology and call people who know what they're talking about full of shit

>>40147027
The normal human still looks better at her worst. Assblasted vegan detected.

>>40147269
>not carmelizing sugar for bomb ass sweets

Aside from that good post.

>veganism and vegetarianism literally slows cell growth and development
>lowers testosterone, LBM, and worsens digestion and nutrient absorption
>this in turn leads to less cancer because of fewer cells and lowered cell activity
>paradoxically it also accelerates aging due to lower cell turnover causing older cells to live longer than intended
>lowers cancer risk in children due to stunted growth and development
>vegans think literally fucking your bodies is a good idea because of a miniscule risk of cancer that is simply the result of a healthier and more robust body

>>40147552
>this in turn leads to less cancer
>miniscule risk of cancer that is simply the result of a healthier and more robust body
That's the thing, it doesn't even do either of these
>>40146293

>>40147156
Mental gymnastics: the post

>>40147494
I meant like in onions and shit. WTF?!

>>40148890
Not sure what you're referring to then.

>>40142722
Clarence is vegan
>checkmate

Plant based proteins contain less leucine than meat based, leucine is supposedly the only amino acid chain to start protein synthesis

>>40149030
We've been over this, steroids + anything = gains.

>>40149030
Animal products played a significant role in Clarences physique as he used to eat them. Going vegan alone didn't get him huge and strong. And he's also most likely on gear.

>>40147437
>She misrepresented practically everything he said in that speech.

She didn't take anything that the guy said at face value like fuckheads do

vegans can make exactly the same, if not better gains, then meat eaters. it doesn't really matter

be aware tho, fit doesnt like vegans keto no fap or any kind of alternative medicine or methods.
oh and 4chan is infested with shill jewcucks

>>40149375
>vegans can make exactly the same, if not better gains, then meat eaters
No they can't.

http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/6/1032.full

>>40149404
>http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/6/1032.full
oooouuh the american journal of nutrition says otherwise! must be true huh

>>40149485
Yes.

>>40149498
yeah, but seriously.. NO.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg
>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-fda-manipulates-the-media/#

>2017
>still believing in american officials
toppest of keks

>>40147027
>a significant 3.6-y
>the protective effect of a very low meat intake seems to attenuate after the ninth decade.

Whoop de doo

>>40148990
Some people caramelize onions and shit by ADDING SUGAR like it's how it's done.

>>40149531
> hurr the speed of light changed since 1936
Fuck me. Nothing more cringy than people who don't fucking know ANYTHING talk about fucking PHYSICS.

If you're okay with the literal War of the Worlds tier mass enslavement and culling of animals, you deserve the same fate.

>>40142602
>nutritionfacts.org
This is almost as bad as getting "news" from Infowars and Breitbart.

You can maintain AND gain strength on a vegan diet and be healthy. Clarence is a good exemple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHrysja5lYw

i've been trying out a powdered vegan food to try to cure my rotten guts.

taste is not too pleasant, but i am not hungry and the flatulence smells less like a dakhma

>>40151897
Steroids. Clarence also ate meat for years before getting to that point.