When did you guys realise that deadlifts are overrated for

>>40041495
When did you realize that you are a beta pussy?

Since I started lifting
It's just an excercise fags do to brag about their lifts to other fags. Doesn't have any real benefit when it comes to aesthetics besides slowly crippling your spine

>>40041529
SHOTS FIRED

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Hahaha
Go call Eddie Hall a fag.
I dare you.

>>40041495
Before I even started.
Who the fuck is stupid enough to think that deadlifts are any good for hypertrophy?

I deadlifted for 4 years. Got upto 5 plate DL.

6 years lifting now (2 years on without any deadlifts), I haven't lost any size anywhere, so I'm not entirely sure what DL's were supposed to be doing.


>still squat 4 times a week though.

I never got glute/hamstring DOMS until conventional deadlifts.

>>40041530
This.
I gained 20 pounds of muscle the first year without even doing deadlifts. I do them now (3rd year) just to do shrugs.

>>40041646
Das!

>>40041624
This. Are you fuckers retarded? It's 100% a lift for overall strength. It's purpose is just to be able to do it heavier. Nobody ever said otherwise

>>40041633
yeh and now you are the guy that talks about how much weight he USED TO lift

>>40041495
Right after I started doing heavy as fuck rack pulls and kettlebell swings.

I cut out deadlifts because of simple risk/reward

I know too many people who have visited snap city

>muh form

Candito... Etc.

>>40041852

Is lifting weight the goal or is looking and feeling goal the goal

PLG is in the catalog bro,

>>40041990
when it comes to deadlift its about lifting weight, and lifting a lot of weight makes me feel great.
I'm definitely not some powerlifting autist but lifting a lot of weight feels amazing to me

>>40041495
Idk man, whenever I'm doing deads regularly I look and feel better. I probably won't ever go above 300 for fear of snap city though

>>40041495
Squats and DL are fucking amazing together, they take care of:

>Quads
>Hamstrings
>Glutes
>Lower Back
>Traps
>Forearms

So basically half your body is covered with 2 fucking exercises and you can focus all other efforts on building your upper body. I mean you dont NEED DL and/or Squats but they save a shitton of time.

>>40041633
yeah and you could stop squatting and maintain your leg muscles (or even make small gains) with leg press, leg extensions and leg curls. does that make the squat overrated ? hell no.

you can substitute ANY exercise, that is not a measure of quality. name one exercise you cant subsitute if you disagree.

The test boost that comes with heavy DLs and squats is off the charts.

I feel like a king after them. Fucking manliest exercises.

>>40041495
After my first year I almost snapped my shit and couldn't do any lower back involved exercise for a month, after that I changed to weighted pull-ups and hyper extentions and never looked back, one of the best decisions ever, the exercise is fun and all but the risks are not worth the little rewards you can get by doing other more safe exercises, at least my two cents.

>>40042002

I'd agree with that

Few things feel like a max effort set of deads

After a 16th month stay in snap city though I'll have to leave that as a memory

>>40042002
This

Deads are fun.

>>40041969
What happened to canditp anyway?

>don't do heavy deadlifts
>don't do heavy backsquats
and then you complain when you snap your back
why wouldn't you snap your back?
you didn't make it to be strong

>>40041495
and what's your next excuse for not working hard?
never going to make it

Should I started deadlifting on leg day instead of my pull day? I also squat fyi

>>40042049
You forgot abs

Deadlifts and squats have a high risk of fucking up your joints in the long run even if you use correct form. Not worth it if your goal is just aesthetics.

>>40042183
He dropped the weight on his foot because the dumb fuck is pulling sumo iirc

>>40041656
Just do above the knee rack pulls

I prefer good mornings

>>40041495
Bout the same time i realised you need more work than diddlys for posterior chain and that they still are the lifts i enjoy the most.

>not pulling 3 plate for reps and exposing your erection through pants for the entirety of the gym to see after

>>40042269
Your English is awful.

>>40043278
better than your russian

>>40043305
I'm sure if he ever needs to order some vodka or a prostitute in moscow he can stumble his way through, otherwise who cares

>>40041529

t. triggered lanklet

Deadlifts developed my traps and neck, i dont even do shrugs
Youre all pussy faggots

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>>40041495
How to achieve this mode

srs
pls i want this

>>40041624
It builds huge traps though as a side effect if you go heavy

$20 says your back is shit OP, same with everyone else who doesn't do deads or cleans.

>>40041495
A couple months ago. I do them like once a month now.

>>40043578
>Op is pussy therefore you are a lanklet
? ? ?
?
?

>>40043891

My back only started growing when I did high volume rows

Deadlifts did fuck all

>>40041617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l12qMvW9r44

>being afraid of this

Deadlifts are my favorite lift. After you hit a PR you feel high as a kite. So much testosterone and adrenaline running through your body.

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>>40041495
FUCKING CHADS, THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS.

>>40043684
like a few years of trenning it up

>>40043684
Gymnastics since you are 8. Not even memeing: had a classmate who had similar physique by the time he was 15.

i like them

aso form is a meme

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>believing you can automagically work up to 5 plate+ deadlift without putting on muscle

/fit/

>>40044779

Go look at the DYELs at IPF competitions pulling sickening amounts.

>>40044804

How do you explain how these 'DYEL's put the weight up? You think technique alone gets you a 500+ lb deadlift?

>>40044870

CNS adaption and a slight increase in meme muscle mass (lower back, hamstrings)

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ITT: pussy dyel manlets and lanklets that are too weak to deadlift. I deadlift twice a week and make incredible back gains. Pic related faggos

>>40041852
>>/plg/lgbt

Faggot away!

sqwats and diddlys
>Made 0 glute gains
>Made quad gains
>0 trap gains
>Decent ham gains
Hack squat, leg press, stiff leg diddlys, leg curls.
>Glutes blowing up
>Making good quad gains
>Traps blowing up
>hams blowing up


Ye the only good advice I got from this shit hole is oatmeal.

Squats are like what scooby says, literally a leg exercise and nothing more. If your struggling to squat with good form stop squatting.

>>40044927
have you heard of arms?

>>40044988
I backskqwat and diddly and my glutes are fucking monstrous so you're probs doing something wrong then. DEEP IS BEEF

>>40045107
Post arms

>>40041617
but I'll surely win as I have far superior speed and agility

>>40041495
Jeff is reaching Zyzz' age real soon. I hope this fucker just dies already, sick of seeing his ugly ass face. He kisses 6/10s thinking he's some kind of god, he will never have the same impact as aziz

the only objectively good compound lifts for aesthetics are the OHP and Row (bent over, strict form)

everything else has strictly superior isolation/dumbbell exercises which are simply better for hypertrophy. this isnt up for debate

of course you wont be "strong", but who the fuck cares, this isnt the neolithic era

>>40044616
>form is a meme
you can't be this retarded

>>40044870

I pulled 525 at 175lbs. People look at me funny cause im kinda small. I dont even try that hard so i can easily imagine someone who actually lifts pull 600+ at the same or lower weight

>>40045446
it is

>>40042049
This desu. I love heavy lower days becuase I do squatz and deadz then I'm out

>>40045446
this whole thread is retarded

after i got to triple bw deadlifts and hurt my back, realized i was still small as fuck.

>>40042049
This guy gets it. You don't need to for sure, but why wouldnt you?

>>40045484
Same. I was 20 when I pulled 515 at 178 lbs. When I was 22, I pulled 600 at a 185.

>>40041495
After I had a bigger back, butt, and traps than everyone around me

>>40045524
Which do you do first?

>>40042405
nice meme friend

>>40042183
His channel died because his computer did. Either cbf or never got the hardware needed to continue making vids. He does have inatagram which he ups to sometimes. He's lifting again and healthy, but other anon is right he did injure himself by dropping about 6 plates on his bare foot

I never deadlifted in my life until I started having problems with my lower back.

When I do deadlifts now it alleviates the pain for a week or so.

Why the fuck wouldn't you do DL?? Just don't lift beyond your ability and end up in snap city. Builds strength, manly as fuck, excellent general gauge of how you're progressing... Only downside is if you're an idiot you can hurt yourself which is easily avoided by not being a stupid ego lifter

>>40047216

get a belt and u will understand

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>>40043305
lmfao

>>40045627
You guys trained for absolute strength. Youre endurance however, would have been garbage.

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>>40041495

>When did you guys realise that deadlifts are overrated for hypertrophy?

I think you mean squats. Deadlifts are an all around great exercise:

>Uses more muscle because you have to hold the bar in your hands.
>Less risk. Squats involve a rebound which could snap your shit up. Deadlifts involve a controlled set up.
>Functional. I never squat things or carry a bar on my back, but I pic up heavy things pretty regularly.

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>>40048951
I pull 4pl8 for reps but am 140lbs. This is probably due to not eating though kek

>>40048974

Two things:

Mixed Grip = Less Gains

Short body = short lever arms = easier to lift more weight

Also, what is your total weekly volume (workset reps x weight)? Volume is king for hypertrophy.

>>40041495
>deadlifts are overrated for hypertrophy
Who the fuck cares? Why would I even want to achieve hyperthrophy in my spinal erectors or hamstrings? Literally nobody cares about those muscles. The only reason I do the diddly is the test boost and because I enjoy doing them.

>>40049138
Yeah I'm transitioning to hook grip atm

I'm doing sheiko 5 day so about 30-36 sets of deads @80%+ intensity

>>40049197

If he thinks mixed grip kills gains, I seriously doubt he's going to approve of hook any more than he does mixed.

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>>40049196
> not wanting wickedly pumped spinal erectors that bulge through your shirts
not gonna make it brah

At what weight for DLs does snap city become real, assuming form is almost perfect?

>>40049284
not sure. i can do 3 plate easily. at 3.5 my form starts to slip though

i think youll only have to worry about snap city if you do way too much weight than you can handle

>>40049284
weight literally doesn't matter, people pull +800 completely fine and others pull 2 plate and injure themselves. Would honestly be willing to be the heavier the pull the lower the injury rate for a population since people who pull heavier probably pull with better form too.

Generally speaking if you are bracing properly and not jerking the fuck out of the bar when you pull you're probably going to be fine, unless you overwork your erectors and they strain, but there's pretty much that risk with everything in lifting anyways. Injuries happen, they aren't the end of the world, most probably will heal in a few weeks and you'll be back to where you were if not better, even longer ones usually wont be that bad if you just focus your goals on something else, like cutting or just bodybuilding for a while.

>>40049284

Acute spinal injuries from deadlifting are really, really rare even in idiots. In theory they can happen at any weight but anecdotally back injuries tends to happen most to beginners and then to people who aren't beginners anymore but aren't particularly strong either.

>>40041656
>I gained 20 pounds of muscle my first year
Wew, special snowflake

>>40042501
That's not due to his form or the exercise that's more because he's a dumb shit.

>>40042104
>hyper extensions
>safe

>>40049482

It's a known issue when people pull wide sumo (especially taller/wider lifters). Some people have an optimal sumo stance that is only barely inside the plates, so even a very minor shift in the weight will cause problems.

>>40049343
This

90% of deadlift injuries are people who think they can pull 315 the first time.

Just don't really push your limits until your confident in your form

>implying most of the hypertrophy from deads isn't in your inner back that isn't very noticeable but helps "fill out" your frame.
Guess you short armed manlets are in luck, you have no frame to fill out!

>>40041495
hypertrophy comes from using the bar while standing behind your shoulders. it works out almost everything.

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>>40041633
>4 years
>5pl9 deadlift
Lmao kill yourself
I mean that

>>40049569
Lol how long you been lifting 15 years old ass lookin nigga

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>>40049673
For 5pl8? 1 year

>>40049682
Quads look like 6 months

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>>40049708
Nice troll bby girl

Post quads

>>40049569
how long have you been lifting?

also fuck mats my new gym wants me to use them and theyre so warped i cant move the bar forward or backward and it ends up fucked up

>>40049682
are you hook gripping? can't really tell

>>40049682
you went on test so doesnt count

>>40041617
he does look like a fag with that do rag, though

>>40041495
what is luigi doing in this image?

>>40041495
When I was diagnosed with a birth defect in my spine after getting an MRI for back pain. Came with the news of two herniated discs, lateral and central stenosis of my L5, signs of osteoporosis and crunching my right sciatic nerve giving me crippling leg pain. :^)

Literally stuck doing 1pl8 deads max and probably never getting to back squat again. Least I hit my 2pl8 bench before entering my cut amirite?

>>40043975
This video is awful

>sweaty love tapping
>cameraman mumbling in ugly british accent while jacking off

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>>40049730
Yeah nigga

>>40049736
Okay amigo

>>40049726
Nothing wrong with mats, annoying as fuck when people are unnecessarily loud desu

>>40049834
>sumo

>>40049834
I don't get this

Is the lockout not the easiest part? For me the first foot off the groud is by far the hardest

>>40049864
if i fail its usually i dont get it off or i get it two inches off and it just stops

>>40049864
In deadlifts, to get the bar off the ground you rob Peter to pay Paul. My back rounded to break the floor, but it was too much for my erectors to unfurl under

Does that make sense? My shitty form got me off the ground but rekt my lockout

>>40049885
So you're on a mission to snap some shit got it

>>40049885
is shrugging at the top to get a full lockout legal in powerlifting

>>40049918

Shrugging yes (although it probably won't help a damn thing if you're missing at lockout), hitching no.

>>40049931
i mean like rolling your shoulders

>>40049917
If there's ever a place for form breakdown, it's the powerlifting platform you fucking pleb.

>>40049918
Well, technically yes as long as the bar doesn't reverse motion and you don't hitch the bar or ramp it off your quads

>>40049939
the reverse motion thing is bullshit if the bar goes down a little bit before lockout the lift should still count

>>40049944
Disagree my dude. Reverse motion is one of the most enforceable rules in PL

>>40049954
but you still lifted the weight

blinking during the lift would be easy to enforce too doesnt mean you should

>>40049963
You're totally missing the point

Reverse motion on any lift constitutes a failed attempt imo

>>40049963

You either have to enforce it fully or not at all, and not enforcing it at all is opening room for an imperial fuckton of bullshit.

>>40049994
>>40049990
yeah true

is there anything about bench rom? im sick of watching world record elbow unlocks and lockouts

>>40050008

Again, impossible to enforce (unless you're going to make people lay there for 30s with a max bench attempt in their hands while you get out a pair of tape measures).

>>40050026
yeah thats what i thought

>>40050008
Bleh. Unenforceable. What can you do?

>>40050029

Basically, every rule about ROM in powerlifting is about finding some way to actually get a consistent standard that can be enforced without fucking up every attempt. It's not perfect by most standards, but no-one has come up with anything better.

>overrated for hypertrophy
Depends

Most people do them 1-5 reps and many only do one single set and only once a week or even less, because it's so "taxing on the CNS". Yeah, that won't build any mass. Deadlifts 2 times a week for multiple sets in different rep ranges up to 10reps should be a pretty good, glute, hamstring and erector builder. Maybe even forearms if you do touch and go without bouncing. You shouldn't depend only on them and weighted chinups to build your back. Throw in some rows.

>>40048974
Manlet

Op is a faggot as usual and I will not even consider calling someone a man who can't pull 3pl8 for reps at the bare minimum.

>>40050426

I do three plate for ten reps at a bodyweight of 72kg

>>40042107
16? Try 3 years buddy. Deads ruin lives...

>>40050440

why do you lie

>>40050553
I'm with this guy. Will not believe OP reps 3 plates for a second till I see video proof. At best you can get 3.5 plates up based on that earlier photo, but I seriously doubt you had solid form and I am not convinced at all you rep 3 plates.

Video or stfu

>>40050592
>>40050553

I haven't posted any pics in this thread and yes I can do that. I didn't think that was considered that impressive.

>>40050604

why do you lie

>>40050607

Why is three plates for reps hard to believe

>>40050604
Aren't you that dude holding 3.75 plates real close to the mirror earlier? If not then ignore, thought I followed the replies but if I fucked up my mistake.

>>40042017
...that's kg right?

What do you guts think about lowering the weight slowly instead of dropping it?

I tried deadlifting lighter but lowering it more slowly and my glutes and hamstrings were burning.

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>>40050637
More microtrauma in the negative but I still don't bother

Call the cops I don't care

>>40050613

show us you lifting 3pl8x10 then

>>40050639
Looks really insecure to wear shorts over tights.

>>40050711
REALLY don't care my dude

I tore those shortly after. Rip in peace

>>40050639

No knee-bending? That looked very stiff

>>40041656
Post a pic of your physique. Bet i look better doing deadlifts

>>40043572
your mom should, so she knows when to swallow suka blyat

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>>40049197

Not sure about hook grip. My whole point was to say that unhooked grip is the best way to get forearm hypertrophy out of the deadlift. Hooked and mixed grips are for lifting contests.

"The deadlift is a grip exercise too"
- Mark Rippetoe

As for the routine, I'm not that familiar with Sheiko. What is your weekly poundage?

Hypertrophy is mostly volume dependent. Increasing the weight alone may not be enough. Total weekly poundage is key. How much work are you doing?

Strength Guy deadlifts 405 for 5 two times a week. Total poundage is 4,050 lbs.

Volume Guy deadlifts 315 for 2x10 two times a week. Total poundage is 12,600 lbs.

Now, to be fair, Strength Guy probably hits 315 for 5 and say 360 for 3 in his warmup. So the real poundage for comparison is:


(405x5x2) + (360x3x2) + (315x5x2) = 9,360 lbs

Versus

(315x2x10x2) = 12,600 lbs

The result is that Volume Guy is doing 35% more work than Strength Guy.

On top of that, Volume Guy probably has shorter rest between sets, higher volume warmup sets, uses better form, and gets "the pump" which creates more metabolic stress.

Volume is king for muscle growth. If your weekly volume isn't growing, you're probably not going to grow.

>>40050553
Is that unbelievable to you?

>>40050701
Lol mate, if you're needing video proof that someone can perform the impossible feat of 3x10 315 I suggest you start lifting.

>>40043999
Whenever I hit a PR near death.

Push yourself harder faggot.

>>40041617
What stopped you from posting a picture of Eddie?

>>40041495
What are you supposed to do for hamstrings then?

>>40045848
squats first

>>40051853
In the webm it says SLDL so stiff was the objective

>>40045331
honestly dumbbell shoulder press gives me better results than OHP, sure it doesn't hit chest but I do plenty of chest isolations for that.