/fraud/

>face covered in acne
>cardio shot to shit
>got an std from a random hookup
man, steroids sure made my life better

>>39816529

what the fuck is that OP picture?

Is it supposed to be funny or what

>>39816717
he browses and unironically screencaps /b/, what do you expect exactly

Cap answer your emails dammit!

>>39816644
>questioning the mighty rick paganini
>confirmed for never gonna make it

>>39816908
I know right?

What does your routine look like ESTP? When you escorted did you ever fist a mans anus until it was wrecked?

>>39816529
Can you inject b-12 sub q?

>>39817337
yes

>>39817338
Is it normal for it to burn like a motherfucker while injecting? HGH doesn't burn at all.

>>39817337
yes
>>39817339
no

>>39817348
Shit, should I get a different kind of b-12? I bought 1000 mg shots with a little bit of other vitamins thrown in there. I read that oral intake of B-12 is pretty much useless.

Trying to grow taller, 18 years old manlet here. I am taking 4 UI HGH every day for 5 months already and grow around 1cm every day (around 2 inches in total already).

B-12 should help me grow right? Or should I just stop taking it?

Any other suggestions?

>>39817368
1 cm every month*

Dick gains are great too.

>>39817368
Oral b12 is legit little buddy. You only need to take a large dose I take 6mg whereas most supps are 15-25mcg (so I am taking 6000mcg). You need the massive dosages when taking it orally - I just had my bloods tested and my b12 was at the upper limit.

>>39817473
Oral b12 isn't legit, your body absorbs the first 5 or 10 mcg very well and the rest it ignores. I have read a lot on oral B-12 and it seems to be a scam, you're supposed to hold it under your tongue so your body absorbs it better but even then it's not that efficient. I have 10000 mcg pills of b12.

That's why I want to inject it, because you have a 80-90% absorbtion rate when injected so a weekly injection of 1000 mcg is more than enough.

>>39816304
>would it not go off after 18 months?
I don't understand the question. Do you mean the gear going bad?

Weird question to ask in /fraud/, but if you had 2 months off and loads of $$$, but getting AS is harder than walking around unnoticed with a turban, what'd you do to bulk as hard as possible?

>>39817611

yeah would the test not lose its potency after being stored in solution for 18 months?

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>>39817368
Pharma growth or generic?

The sting from the b12 is probably whatever solvents and preservatives they use.

>>39817795

HGH

Nutrabol

Osterine

>>39817804
I think it would be ok. If I remember right, I've heard that about two years is the limit (somebody confirm or deny, please). You just have to store it properly.

>>39817804
It won't spoil. But the older or is the less effective it will be.

I'm not sure what the expiration date of test is.

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>>39818227
They put 2 years from manufacture to expiration for pharma test.

>>39818471
which is kinda arbitrary desu, had a batch work as intended after 3yrs and another go fucky after one and a half

>but why do you store your test for so long in the first place, anon?
supply and demand, hypothetical young newfriend asking such, supply and demand

also stupidly long cruises but that’s not the point here kek

>>39817611
Still not sure what I should be doing though (I'm >>39812795). Any suggestions, /fraud/? I doubt there's a way to bring the cost down, but I'm open to ideas.

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>>39818922
You don't need a pct if you're cruising/TRT. You sound like you don't know what you're doing anyways so I'd figure that out first.

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Today my blast gear and minoxidil arrived at the same TIME

THATS A SIGN FROM ALLAH that i need a beard and more gains. He talked to me via this signal.

fucking crazy brehs. ME CHAD IS GONNA BE BIGGER AND HAVE BEARD.

who's stopping me now, faggots

>>39818980
The PCT is "just in case". I don't want to have to come off for something (no idea what, but who knows) without any backup plan.

>>39819048
you still just gonna blast test?

>>39817368
>Trying to grow taller, 18 years old manlet here. I am taking 4 UI HGH every day for 5 months already and grow around 1cm every day (around 2 inches in total already).
Nice

Take some AI with it too for maximum height gains. I've seen some studies saying that the HGH+AI combo is better than HGH alone (look it up).

How do you get/afford HGH at your age? If your parents gave you the idea/funds then props to them. How tall are you now?

Brehs can someone school me on SARMs? I found a local connect for it and it's fairly cheap. Swears it is the bee's knees but I can't find any legitimate progress logs, everything seems to be promo bullshit for some affiliate marketing scam.

>>39817375
Please elaborate on the dick gains. I’m kinda hung myself so I don’t really care but I want to know if the hgh users I know who brag about dem meatpole gainz are overplaying it, scientific curiosity if you will.

>>39819396

Its still fairly new so there isnt alot about it yet

>>39819478
>I'm kinda hung myself
Sure you are buddy.

>>39819048
A beard only will hide your jaw.
Also if you are not blessed with beard genetics,the beard you'll grow with minoxidil will be patchy and bushy as fuck,its not worth it bre.

I'm a pussy who afraid of needles and honestly just wants to be able to build muscle while I cut. Would low doses of andriol help or would it be a waste of time/money/natty card

>>39819057
You probably won't need pct, or ai at try doses. It's probably a good idea to have then on hand.

Even the 380 you were thinking about isn't that bad for more then a year's worth. It's cubes it to being a little over 30 bucks a month.

I spend more on protein then I do in roids.

>>39819584
>would it be a waste of time/money/natty card
Yes. Pin or don't fraud.

>>39819636
Yeah, it's not that much money, I'm just not sure if I have the safety net needed. Still trying to figure it out.

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Hmm. I wonder what the chinaman writes on his packages because my mailman is Chinese and reads them every time and I can't figure out what the fuck they say.

>>39819889
secret chinese things

>>39819533
Not trying to brag. It’s no porn level shlong by far but enough for me not to abuse hgh for that reason kek

>>39820126
If you were hung,you wouldnt chase after these shit.

Starting a cycle of Ostarine (MK-2866). I intend to dose at 15mg ED for 6 weeks. Even though a PCT may not be necessary, I would like to be prepared with an AI in the case of test suppression. Can anyone recommend an AI, what dosage to run it at and when?

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>>39820073
Probably. "super hormone powder, china #1". I'm pretty pissed I missed the delivery because apparently my doorbell is semi-broken and I was taking a shit so I never noticed.

How was your Christmas?

>>39820135
I'm pretty big. But it's easy to fall for the dick size meme.

I legit spent hundreds on pills, lotions, pumps and a penis extender.

>>39820155
I should elaborate that I'm a natty who's too lazy to do enough research to get into real roids. pls respond

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>>39820205
It really is, seems like guys are never happy with their size including myself. Statistically mine is big, but fuck if I don't wish I had another 1-2" in length and 1 in girth.

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>>39820276
pics or we'll never believe you, no homo

>>39820276
Lol i know. I've been told it's "big" and "huge" a lot.

But it's like lifting, why settle for big when you want to be freakishly oversized. Lol

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>>39820307
Only to be seen irl bby.

>>39820366
Honestly I don't even know why I want a bigger dick except to have a bigger dick. My brain is weird man.

>>39820155

ai doesnt help test suppression

learn about things before you squirt them inside your body

>>39820366
Not him, but I've had decent success so far with 2 months jelqing w/ thunders newbie routine. 2 days on, 1 day off

haven't measured length but I've definitely noticed a change in girth, especially on the shaft behind my glans

I do a pinch rather than OK grip, no complications so far with ED or discomfort

soaking my dick in really warm/hot water prior seemed to reduce my sensitivity which is the only annoying thing so far, but i'd rather not risk injury

>>39820135
Nigger I’m just curious if the claims of dick gains are scientifically relevant. I’m neither going to ask people I sell to nor random fags from the gym about their peckers, but with an anonymous user on a brazilian schnitzel carving bulletin I have no issue heh

>>39820508
>jelqing unironically
>not pinning dangerous amounts of hgh for cock gains

never gonna make it

>>39820650
soo expensive, I've thought about peptides but since the goal is to lightly damage the inner tissues and have them recover, peptides might prevent some of the damage from occuring and slow the process

if I ever pull a brick and dont care about the circumference of my waist i'd probably give it go just for the fuck of it

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>>39819112
Yes. Only test is needed to get big.

>>39819546
>patchy
Not according to many results.

I am just gonna try it, see what it does. You gotta try anything in life, so you have a lot a thing of regret about later in life. That's my motto

>>39820508
Yeah. I saw improvement on penis exercises to. I just don't have the time to spend about an hour a day exercising with my dick. Lol

>>39820733
I try to keep my sessions to just 15 minutes, but they probably end up 20-30mins easy

i just lay down and listen to music while thinking about abstract shit because im a neet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWD91J0Rpmc

>>39820716
I used minoxidil myself, went from mr shitty moustache and chin scruff to 'That beard really suits you'.

>my muscles aren't big enough
>My beard is too patchy
>My cock is only 8 inches

We really are /insecurity/ general. Lol

>>39820733
>an hour a day
I do, but I dont jelq huehue

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>>39820798
in my defense my dick is only 5.5" on a good day

wish jelqing helped more with length its starting to look like a mini baseball bat reeeeeeeeee

>>39820712
they don’t prevent it they usually speed up recovery

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So 2017 will be a beard, money and more gains for me. You faggots have no goals in life, you have to set goals in life.

Leave everything behind, not even humanity. The whole fucking galaxy will be behind

>>39820768
Progress pics? I just want a trimmed beard

like pic related is perfect

>>39820798
What is the purpose of life if you already have achieved everything you want? The most fun and exciting moment is that moment when you live up to the thing you want to achieve. The progress.

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>>39820798
Shh.

>>39820768
You put it all over your neck I assume?

>>39820858
so she can jerk herself off while jerking you off????????

>>39820798
will roids help me get girls? I need a six pack, right?

>>39820366
>>39820205
>>39820135
>>39820276
>>39820366

>TFW haven't been told my dick is huge since college.
>TFW 6.5 length don't know girth

Now I just get told it's perfectly big enough. I hit most girl's cervix's if I'm not careful or go balls deep, but it's curved just enough to slam the g spot in most positions you normally can't.

I guess the fact I'm a manlet makes a slightly above average dick look huge, too. Life is good for an inch above national average, now why couldn't I be an inch above national average height?

>>39820716
I'm interested in seeing progress pics from you. I have very similar shitty scruff that grows on my face like you do, and am wondering if minoxidil would help because I kind of want to grow a beard for shits and giggles even though I love my jawline. I reeeeeally don't want to age my face though like I've seen some reports say, because I look young enough right now that I'll be passing as an older college student by my 30's. I don't want to give up the ability to slam 20 y.o's for the next 15 years.

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>>39820893
>she
>herself

>>39820852
Never made any progress pics. It is still a little patchy, but that's because I haven't used it for long enough yet. I can say that half way through my use, it was extremely patchy, so I just shaved it all off and by the time it grew again, it was already a lot better. Could end up looking like your pic as long as I keep it up fpr long enough.

Missed a raw delivery and there was no note posted on my door wtf.

Rescheduled for tomorrow those sneaky mailmen are gonna catch these hands swear to god.

>>39820948
It's the same thing with everything. Some people respond different to certain shit. Some get worse side effects than others. That's the risk you take.

When i used accutante, i was so depressed i wanted to kill myself everyday. I could not get this thought out of my head, it was that worse. Some people only get dry lips. Life's a bitch


>>39820993
Did you do it with or without steroids? I assume it will a lot faster with steroids. That's what i at least notice with the hair i got.

Have fun using minoxidil all your life. Beard/hair gains fade and go away without constant exposure.

Just do it like my stupid ex roommate and use keto shampoo on your facial hair kek

>>39821120
>Have fun using minoxidil all your life. Beard/hair gains fade and go away without constant exposure.
no

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>>39820995
You and me both bby. Sneaking up while I'm taking a shit and I've (apparently) got a broken doorbell.

>>39820948
Tfw lanklet with big pepe but it looks small because I'm 6'3.

>>39821120
What did it do? I've used it 2x a week to avoid shedding from 1g tren and some mast.

>>39821137
I'll trade you 3 inches of height height for .5 inches of penis length ;)

>Be 7 inches and girls always get torn
>LTR don't work because eventually the novelty of a big cock wears off and the reality of vagina pains sets in

>>39821043
I started using steroids about a month or two before I started with minoxidil. Test only. Seemed to do the trick.

>>39821137
He used it every damn day like a normal shampoo, massaged it in for like ten minutes too.

Needless to say his dreams of yuuuge Rasputin beard did not come true.

>>39821192
this reads like a fucked up Dr. Seuss poem kek

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>>39821155
Best I can do is 3" height for 1" girth. Isn't girth supposedly the easiest to add via jelq or HGH?

>>39821192
Lol I used it ED for a couple weeks but it made my fingers super dry and they peeled like crazy with the winter weather.

>>39821257
not same guy but ed for a couple weeks? i turn into goddamn caillou whenever i use it more than once a week.

>>39821301
The keto shampoo yeah.

>>39817368
How much is that costing you friend?

Does anyone in /Fraud/ do anything like weightlifting/powerlifting/strongman?

>>39821407
Why would anyone here lift weights? Were not fags

>>39821407
nobody here lifts. that's why we fraud

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>>39819048
>>39820852
>who's stopping me now, faggots

your own uncontrollable body dysmorphic disorder and wild manic-depressive swings of narcissism?

>So 2017 will be a beard, money and more gains for me. You faggots have no goals in life, you have to set goals in life.

goals like what, being a half-retarded meat tumor that slaves away for shit that barely gets them into the lower range of middle class?

>>39820712
>if I ever pull a brick and dont care about the circumference of my waist i'd probably give it go just for the fuck of it

I can almost guarantee I've got a smaller waist if you're anywhere near 6'

>>39820798
>We really are /insecurity/ general. Lol

either that or lack of perspective

>>39820995

you know how fun it is walking into a post office to pick up a pack with a key in it?

>>39821407

the second one, yeah

>>39821501
please never change

>>39821407
used to strongman, before an unrelated injury had me stop. now only lifting for aesthetics and some oly on the side for lulz

>>39821407
>hes not lifting for fuccboi asthetics and pitful tinder girls

why even roid

>>39821501
how much is your diddly right now?

>>39821501
What are your lifts? What fed do you compete in?

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>>39821590

635 was the last pr, kinda neglected pulling this training cycle in favor of hammering my squat to try and get it out of the depressingly pathetic range

>>39821632

been training a bit over a year after 3+ off, mock meet day after this training block (cube 2.0-ish) was 515/425/635 at a little jiggly 242 so probably actually 220 with the right prep

planning on uspa since, you know, the whole drugs thing

aiming for mid-6, mid-high 4 to maybe 5, and maybe low-mid 7 by this time next year with the idea being to open with state record breakers (which are appallingly low, desu)

>>39821687
Pretty dope. I'm at 500/310/550 myself, at 220. Natty though.

Do you run a heavy stack? I've been thinking of leaving IPF eventually.

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>>39821687
>1575 total @ 242

MFW brick's wilks is 420

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>>39821724

I was but not even remotely because I "need" it to progress, more novelty

if you haven't seen it look up brandon lilly's shit he did on r/powerlifting, I think it was "serious post about drug use", basically relatively low doses of shit over long periods of time for those consistent turtle vs hare kind of gains, plus stuff like peps/hgh as part of an approach to powerlifting more aligned with longevity in the sport than any big wow factor shit

>>39821824

wtb 500+ wilks

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Does anyone here regret starting roids?

I'm 27, been lifting on and off since I was 17. Have some decent mass (200lbs, 6'0", maybe 15-18% bf but I'm a bit padded from the winter). I've thought about roiding a number of times. I'm not afraid of needles/injections, it's more the idea that I'd never be able to enjoy natty training again and I'm complicating my life for the sake of gains.

Do the gains make your gym time more enjoyable? Is the feeling of growing bigger worth tethering yourself to test injections for the foreseeable future? Are the shrunken balls a problem with bitches? I'm at that point where the risk:reward proposition seems to be decent, but I don't know if I'll regret making the jump.

>>39822439
No real regrets.

Ask me in another four decades.

>>39822528

Were the short term results (first 6 months) what you expected? Did you experience any significant quality of life change (either good or bad)?

>>39822544
for me they worked better than expected.

>>39822439
>lifting since 10 years
>fat fuck at 200lbs

kys

>>39822544
About what I've expected. Didn't turn into the incredible hulk sheet the first injection which was a bit disappointing.

Other then a bit of acne, no real negative student effects to talk about. (Till you get to tren)

>>39822724
He did specify off and on.

though, getting diet and consistency down is important before starting anything.

>xD tren is too harsh I'll use deca xDDDD gotta dirty bulk amirite, tren sucks for bulking can't get fat on it, deca is good for joints
>https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/5kmur7/nandrolone_and_the_risk_of_left_ventricular/

I'm so done with condescending pharmacists raising their eyebrows at me and denying me sales of simple things... I brew my own gear and this one compounding pharmacy has no issue with selling me BB, BA, syringe filters, sterile vials-- its dope being able to buy all that stuff locally if I need it right away. They just asked me once what it's for and they didn't seem to care much when I told them it's for hormone powders. Note that the guy that owns that pharmacy is a dude.

They are out of stock on sterile vials lately so I went to the compounding pharmacy downtown. This one is owned by a woman, which is important. Women in authoritative positions tend to be know-it-all cunts. I've had women doctors basically call me an idiot for saying I'm on self administered TRT, she even didn't believe me that there was a medically known range for estrogen in men. She didn't think having an estrogen test for a male was even possible.

Anyways, I ask to buy a couple sterile borosilicate vials, showing them the one I had. Instantly, the cunt's eyebrows went up and I knew then I was being denied. She asks me what it's for and I explain I'm on hormone replacement and I need the sterile vial to mixing my injectable with because I'm allergic to the preservative and cutting it helps reduce the PIP. She shakes her head and acts like I just said the strangest thing ever and tells me she won't sell it to me.

I wanted to grab her by the throat and tell her to stop condescending to me. I'm not even on test or tren right now and I wanted to bitch her out for acting like I'm asking some crazy strange request by wanting to buy some empty vials. Meanwhile the guy in the other line is getting one of their free harm reduction kits for injecting street drugs. So basically they tolerate one type of illicit drug use but asking for something for hormone replacement is some strange fucked up shady thing.

I realize it's basically nothing to be upset over but I hate when I'm condescended to.

If I do a clen 2 week rotation, 40mcg for the first 3 days, 60 for 3, 80 for 3, 100 for 3 and 120 for 2 days, how much extra calories will be burnt? Never tried before

>father in a shit mood today
>mother "needs to speak with me" about retard ass brother
>tells me the following
>so called brother apparently got this drone that is apparently $500 for christmas to fly around
>family takes him to some field or something to fly it
>he cant even figure out how to turn it on
>starts whining that it's not the newest one which costs $2000... and acts autistic and extremely butthurt/angsty for the rest of the night

in other news i think i am gonna do a test before i waste my hopes and time. i will get two needles, one dabbed with test brewed with GSO and the other test brewed with MCT, and on each arm ill scratch them around a bit, to see if i am allergic or not.

>>39823109
why did your mother even need to tell you this

>>39823101
I like buying local, too, but I'd be on Amazon in a second if people like that were my only local option.

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>gym is already crowded with NYRs
>It's leg day and the gym only has one squat rack too start with
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>39823329
this is why you go late at night

I'm leaving in two hour

>>39817368
HGH makes your organs bigger too.

>>39822439
I don't regret roids in general, but I regret my experiences with certain compounds

dbol, never again

>>39823329
p sure new years people are all too afraid to use the squat rack tho.
My problem is the qt personal trainer who has people do walking bullshit right in the aisle between the rack and the drinking fountain (where I go between each set to catch my breath / because standing around not doing anything makes me feel like a retard)

>>39823329
I'm gonna go to the gym tomorrow after my flight if I'm not completely wiped out. I can't wait to do some over 2pl8 bench reps and watch the normies mire my midget ass. There's only ever old people and other regulars in that thing from end of summer to December. Dis gon good.

>>39823197
she tells me everything

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It's that time of year for me to have my second annual existential crisis where I break down and realize that nothing I'm pursuing in school is worth the effort and I'll be thrown into a worthless pool of hopeless experience-less morons who have the mental acuity of a goldfish and the physical capability of a walking stick.

What career should I pursue /fraud/ once and for all settle this shit for me. I just want to start my own business but what the FUCK should I do.

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Should I just stop school altogether, get a PT certification, start my own PT side business through a website and autistically pursue lifting since it's the only thing that brings some sort of fulfillment to an otherwise meaningless life?

>>39823476
you're not completing emtb and becoming a firefighter?

>>39823509
It's a decent career option. But would I really enjoy it? Probably not at all. Just chasing a paycheck and suffering through the day-to-day like everyone else.

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>>39823519
I'm not sure what it's like in Ohio, but here in WA you have monthly 8-day shifts and that's it

businesses are the only trump card though

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>>39823339
Normally I go around lunch time and it isn't a problem but I was rubbing errands all day.
>>39823401
I loved dbol. Favorite compound so far.
>>39823408
Normally they are. It's usually even open for me to do shit like ohp and rows.
>>39823415
That is a good feel. Only real bonus of new people in the gym is normie mires.
And the occasionally 8+/10 cardio bunny.

>>39823554
I'm certainly not saying it's a bad career to pursue. It's definitely worthwhile, here in Ohio it's the same. Either that or 2on/2off. It's just that I'd probably fucking hate it.

Dunno. I'd love to start a business, but going to a bank for a loan in my position is nigh impossible. I'd have to start something from scratch on my own, which I'd enjoy, I love the idea and the 'hard work' aspect of that. It's just a matter of taking that leap I suppose.

>unrelated

Where should I visit in Seattle? I'm going there with family come summer. Seattle/Vancouver.

>>39823572
>I loved dbol. Favorite compound so far.
I am completely lethargic on dbol and I naturally aromatize heavily, dbol just makes it crazy hard to handle

also I guess I should say I dislike orals in general, I really like using low dose accutane on cycle and that's impossible when you're already using another liver destroying oral

>>39823519
My brother in law is a fire fighter, other then being "on call" on holidays it's a pretty laid back gig.

Also being a swole fireman will get bitches wet. And you can repurpose the uniform if you ever decide to be a stripper.

>>39823596
Only dbol side I got was a tiny bit of bloat. Anecdotally I swear by saunas for helping with water weight.

>>39823610
>>39823554
Fuck it maybe this is the motivation I need to stick with something for once in my fucking life.

Thanks goys.

>you an repurpose the uniform if you ever decide to be a stripper

It's decided, I'll become Mr. January and strip my way to fame a la Channing Tatum

>>39823596
>>39823629
Dbol doesn't sit well with me either. Tons of bloat, lots of e2 fluctuation, and it made me more lethargic than fucking superdrol.

Not a light dose of sdrol either, 30mg/day. I was capable of running that whereas 50mg/day dbol had me taking constant naps and feeling awful.

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>>39823572
>That is a good feel

The only feel I crave q.q I just wanna be mired by everyone, including myself.

>TFW Latina grandmama at the Christmas potluck I went to asks what sports I play while we're all playing cards together
>tell her none now but I used to box and do mmaesque fighting.

>I'm just asking because you got arms.

>mfw I look like I lift in clothes

Ty based abuela.

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>>39822439
No regrets at all, now, I definitely dont want to go crazy with big stacks and harsh compounds and jeopardize my health and hair, but I imagine 500 mg test cycles at least will be a somewhat regular staple in my life till i die

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>>39823590
>Where should I visit in Seattle? I'm going there with family come summer. Seattle/Vancouver.

nowhere seattle is fucking shit

the seafood restaurants are literally the only good part about that shithole and the space needle is meh unless its new years, they do fireworks off it or whatever, also its really expensive

never been to vancouver though

>>39823610
word

I know 4 retired firefighters including 2 relatives and they all loved it

>>39823706
how old are these retired firemen?

doesn't really sound like a career desu, can't imagine a 55 year old dude still doing it

>>39823706
I figured seattle was mostly hipster bullshit, but we're mostly just hitting national parks in the area, probably will only venture into the city once or twice

>>39823725
I have a second cousin who is retiring next year at 48.

The benefits are ungodly good for most of these guys.

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>>39823725
most of them retired quite early or worked up the ranks where it becomes far less physically demanding

overall it has some of the lowest turnover of all blue collar jobs in WA so I'm pretty confident I'd be able to keep up, barring any injuries

>>39823735
>probably will only venture into the city once or twice
good

all it has to offer is overpriced seafood and parking tickets

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> giving blacks a consideration due to my black slave
> 20 minutes in the new biased slavery movie, Birth of a Nation, and yet to see a nigger do any work

>>39817368
Go to Mexico to buy B12, much cheaper

Source: I live near the border

how do u brahs cope when u see turbo chads or just guys girls 100% would fuck instead of u even though they dont lift at all. this shit just ruined my night was having a good time because good gains(body and face), finished cycle also and then it just hit me.

went on some online chats and saw super chad looking dudes. fuck i just need a better chin and itd be all good. this shit fucking sucks

>>39823988
get better genetics??

plastic surgery

>>39822980

This is why I got a dog to force myself to do steady state a few times a week. Altho I just do test and tren.

>>39823988
>not being a turbo chad the second you shot out of the womb.

Never gonna make it.

>>39823988
>>went on some online chats and saw super chad looking dudes.
lol

wat

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God damnit. My sister is in a rehab halfway house kinda thing and I went to her place to help her with some stuff and her roommate is this really hot tattooed blonde who wears chokers. God I wanted to throw her on her bed and lightly choke her while fucking her doggy.

Fugg. This must be some sort of trap.

>>39824388
>lightly
why?

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>>39824413
Well because I literally only just met her for the first time. The hard shit and anal will follow soon after though. Shes got a hand tattoo which is kinda cool and it's not some super stupid one either.

LOL AYY LMAO LEL

just did my first injection ever without GSO. this gear i just injected was MCT oil only.

It was completely fucking painless instead of burning a bit as i injected. I can barely see where I injected, instead of it being slightly red and inflamed.

I always got ""pip"" and got it every time i injected and it NEVER went away... i guess now I know why. I injected my left VG 4 days ago with 125mg test e brewed in GSO, and just now the same but test e brewed in MCT. The left one is still in pain a bit and the right one actually feels GOOD, instead of losing flexibility and instant soreness and pain...

i just googled it and this other guy was also allergic to his oil, and got the same shit i get minus the glands since he had an iq above 2 unlike me and recognized this and got different oil

FUCK. LETS HOPE THIS MEANS GOODBYE GLANDS

>>39824548
this is insane the muscle has 0 pain after injection... holy shit this whole time i thought it was normal pip but it actually looks like i was allergic to the oil...

inb4 glands still dont go away after a while of this

>>39824568
Are you even jacked bro? I lurk here often but I've only ever seen your glands. I hope you're at least jacked for having to deal with that shit. Would have freaked me out for sure.

>>39824504
Actually I take that back. It's a gun on her hand with the barrel leading down her fingers.

>>39824630
no i am dyel as fuck by actual standards but by normal fucking faggot standards people are impressed. the delts chest and traps really stick out since most college curlbros workout consists of hitting biceps and bench 5x a week with nothing else. i am also probably the only one in a ten mile radius that does calf raises

COMEDY GOLD. I JUST GOT THIS LACROSSE BALL THING THAT I USE TO FOAM ROLL. IF I FOAM ROLL THE SITE THAT I INJECTED 4 DAYS AGO WITH GSO, IT MAKES ME WANT TO DIE ITS SO PAINFUL.

IF I ROLL THIS NEW INJECTION SITE OF MCT, IT FEELS LIKE FUCKING HEAVEN

either way if this oil was causing the glands or not, i am definitely allergic to GSO. now i will be able to stop walking around with what was basically permanent PIP...

Anyone here do two routines a day while theyre off work during the holiday period?

>>39825005
S T O P

>>39823590
>Vancouver

Bring sterons plz

im into light female domination but also into porn where the girl gets slapped n shit

what do i mean by this?

>>39825096

Nothing m8, you just like fun stuff. Weirdos call it switching

>>39825103
ok good

>>39825090

Im bored

>>39820205
>I legit spent hundreds on pills, lotions, pumps and a penis extender.
you fell for the 2015 fraud memes

>>39823476
become board source

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Can somone red pill me on being a /fraud/

can you use, get big, then taper off and coast and maintain? or does it not work like that

Does it look like I've been cheating since December or do I still look like a dyel faggot?

https://youtu.be/74B5lodeS_I

Also need to reincorporate cardio because I think I'm going to have a stroke soon.

>>39825504
can someone redpill me on using google

can you navigate there, enter keywords, find what you need, then read it and not ask stupid shit? or does it not work like that

>>39825558
Actually frauding since September :/

>>39825571
suck a cock, I value the opinions on here (fucking shocked that I just said that) far more than random google bullshit

Who else hates society? I'm never paying income tax again and I will live off the proceeds of crime.
>>39823368
No, circulating igf does. Maybe instead of parroting shit you read online you should actually know something based on science. There's ways to self administer GH and only increase intramuscular igf levels vs freely circulating (the bad kind). I wouldn't expect a fucking toucan who just repeats what some bro told him online to go into any in depth research though

>>39825558
Take off your shirt, Peter, you faggot.

>>39825571
Nah dood using google will make you an intellectual /fraud/. Gotta do what I do and go to the library, order books, read em after waiting a week, and smack the qt librarian intern's ass on the way out. It's the natty way to brain gains.

>>39825091
If you need a BC source email me [email protected]

Have test c and tren e and anavar rn

Stocking up soon

>>39825603
>Take off your shirt, Peter, you faggot

No... I'm bulking. :$

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Decisions, decisions. Should I request redelivery of my chinaman package or pick it up on my own tomorrow?

>>39825558
Looks like the only thing you've been cheating on is your diet fatty

>tfw your tren arrived today

>>39825614
Gay. You look as tall as or shorter than I am, what's your stats bb? Your pecs lookin joocy doe. If you're gonna roid, go hard senpai.

>>39824794
You should probably stop injecting anything and wait for your lymphatic system to recover. Kinda blows my mind you are still using gear while your immune system is going haywire. Just let that shit drain and heal. Test for allergies properly afterwards. You're playing with your health and well being.

Having said that I just finished shooting a bunch of heroin which has caused me many health problems in my time using so i can't honestly not say I'm a hypocrite

>>39825709
>you should probably either go through pct or have 0 testosterone and grow tits while trying to recover

>>39825638
Yeah I fucked up starting my use at 12.5% bodyfat which inevitably grew despite my best efforts.

>>39825672
175cm, 5'9 and currently fluctuating between 215-220lbs, so max 100 kilos.

Bench is what you saw, seven clean reps at three plates raw, maybe I could one rep four plates with chalk and wrist wraps?

Squat is garbage, I'm always passing gas or sharting which fucks up my bracing, I think my best has been 345 for 8, thinking of getting a belt.

Deadlift I did 500 lbs for three but used straps to curtail need for mix grup.

The press I haven't tested but I managed 200lbs natty when I was much lighter.

>>39825736
>I gained 10% bf in less than 3 months despite my best efforts

I'd hate to see your... not-best efforts?

>>39825616
What did you get? Raws? What supplier? I've got a few I rotate thru depending on how their quality is and how they treat me. Surprisingly most Of the chinaman gear is pure at over 95%. Very rarely something comes in ar 70%+ and if I catch it in a HPLC test they usually refund me or replace it. I just wish they kept quality control up on their own end instead of me shelling out $300+ every time I want to test a batch.

And no, I don't trust that nigga jano. Some shit going on over at meso and PM and it appears if it's true jano is a huge conman. Apparently he claimed to test a hgh vial and give results he didn't even receive, jano thought customs disposed of it and decided to give a result on the vial cuz he thought it was
Destroyed by customs but they returned it to sender LOL now he's making up some shit about how he snuck it in and out of customs. Reddit sst tards aren't even aware of it, he's been fleecing ppl with fake tests for ages, and even if he did have a legit service except for this one lie, he ruined his name

So for me, SIMEC or any other accredited lab is best. I literally just spent $350usd getting $700 worth of test cyp tested. I just factor it into costs. Even if I'm buying $300 worth of raws I'll still pay $350 to test it. I'll try not to order less than $700 worth of raws at a time tho, so It don't hurt as bad.

Just got my source to send me 50g of DHB, I'll get the analysis done and then if it's acceptable I'll put in a nice size order. Trying to push this stuff on locals, I don't do any internet deals so far cuz it all sells to a couple dealers in town. Helps that roid possession isn't even illegal where I'm at

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>>39825764
Oh fuck off troll I am not over 20% bodyfat.

Going on the internet and being mean to strangers. Shame on you.

>>39825735
What? That doesn't even make sense. Pct however you choose and stop injecting anything. A couple months of being off gear and being a low test natty vs. Highly increased chance of lymphoma and whatever other health problems your constant lymphatic problems will have
You might be right about the GSO but you're still injecting UGL AAS while your immune system is fucked up. We all know taking ugl gear has risks but you are not really in an ideal position to argue that to me considering how chronic your condtion has become


Are your WBC staying high? What does the relevant bloodwork indicate loosely?


It could also be a BB or BA allergy. You are assuming so many things about your UGL gear that you don't even know the true contents of. I realize it's unlikely your source is brewing and giving inaccurate product content info but you aren't making the process easy. Your doctor probably hates you for being such an idiot. Seriously.

I gave you the best advice; stop taking shit and let the lymphatic system drain and recover. Under periods of immune stress your body doesn't necessarily react "normally" to potential causes of inflammation or other immune dysfunction markers. You're not being smart about this and I'm telling you the truth and have for many weeks. Every time I suggest you do something rational to help yourself you act like it's preposterous that you actually behave sensibly about your health. You've continued to take UGL, possibly contaminated gear... are you seriously still using the same source? You realize just because he says other ppl didn't have a problem doesn't mean his gear is sterile right?

Basically stop being an idiot

When a fuckin junkie is telling you that you're playing with fire you gotta smarten up man. I had a chronic lymph issue from drug use and you know what? I quit and let myself get better. With fucking heroin. You're taking steroids. Whole other level on need and desire to use.

>>39825851
>not even knowing i went to specialists who have said it is completely benign and my lymphatic system is completely normal
>no infection no disease no anything at all
>they are calling it sialadenosis which means no known cause since literally everything is ruled out

suck my dick faggot

>hur his gears not sterile!!!
yeah that is why my bloodwork is perfect and i have 0 signs of any health issue whatsoever except elevated IGE levels and a vitamin D deficiency

u type like that one "hur dysmorphia" faggot, is that u?

>>39825736
Wew one inch taller and 75 lbs heavier. Atta boy. U thicc.

>>39825800
It's ok. I got called fat by someone on a pic of me 145 lbs sub 10% bf. Can't please everyone.

>>39825800
is she killing herself

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>>39825783
PPL this time but I've used hubei yuancheng before successfully. Jano offers a good service but I've always been rather skeptical about the results of some of the tests, never knew about the shit on meso.

I should get some girls to sleep with a college lab rat and then get him to test my stuff for free.

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>>39825879
Yeah my cardio is non existent now.
Especially since I added epistane.

Not sure if I should keep bulking till mid February as planned when I start my cruise or get on it now.

Pic related was me 55lbs ago when I fought, probably go into cardiac arrest I'd I sparred for two minutes... But land one punch and that would do it. :/

Yeah anon is a cruel sort.

>>39825882
Yeah. Posted this pic to Facebook a few minutes before doing it to show that the anon that led her to it could still make her smile for the thought of better times together.

Where do you guys get your sterons from
I'm sick of being a natty loser faggot

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>>39825921
You fought too? Look like a boxer. Were you fighting above welter or cutting down for fights?

It's crazy hard for guys our height in straight boxing. Any amateur tournament I'd get my shit rocked by a lanky guy 5 inches taller and faster with a wingspan I can't even touch. Regionals were the extent of my bouts tbqh and outside of boxing when I did pank and mma I took most of them to the ground. God knows I loved splitting peoples brows open if they pulled guard on me and submissions.

Fuck, having a few beers at a bar rn and I'm reminiscing hard about my mma days in college. I miss that shit so much.

>>39825869
All I said was take break and stop injecting shit to give your body a chance to heal and then to properly figure out what the issue is and you spazzed out. You're irrational and it's going to hurt you even more than it already has. I don't even hate you, I just kind of feel bad for how misguided, pig-headed, and lacking in intelligence you are. You need to take a step back and realize how stupid it is for you to keep doing what you've been doing that got you to where you are. You have NO CLUE why your body is reacting this way and you aren't even following anything but a haphazard ragtag way of guessing what's causing your issues.

Tell me smart guy: if your condition is benign and without any cause, how exactly is a GSO allergy causing something that, by you own words, has no cause? I don't think you really understand what the lymphatic system does and the reason it reacts the way it does to immune stressors. Lymph nodes don't just fill with fluid for no reason. To even suggest it shows me you weren't honest with your doctors. You admit yourself the Tren injections caused it yet it doesn't sound like you told your doctors about your UGL gear use or else they wouldn't have said it has no cause.

You're fucked. Lymphoma isn't a joke. I know a guy dying from non-hodgekins with less swollen lymph nodes than you do. It's so obvious how you are trying to rationalize and make yourself feel better about it every time you post.

>>39825903
Jano is basically a liar and a thief for doing fake tests. No way to tell if he's been faking since the start or not.

PPL is nice but really overpriced unfortunately. They have good customer service though.

>>39825869
Dude injecting UGL gear with high IGE is fucking retarded suicide trip behaviour

Do your doctors know you're taking gear? Do you know what hyper ige syndrome means as far as what impact it has on your immune system? And you haven't made the link between that and your fucked up face????

It's plainly fucking obvious you never told your doctors about your injecting China bathtub hormones and you are in here telling me I'm a fsggot for suggesting you stop what you're doing, NOW all the while waxing poetic about how you are soooo smart and figured out it's a GSO allergy.

You're a fucking idiot and you're going to end up with a staph infection and sepsis. Jesus fucking Christ. I didn't catch the high ige levels when I first replied, thought you said igf which sounded like a weird thing to test for and mention.

You're truly a fucking idiot about ready to kill himself slow by infection and you're in here attacking me for pointing out how retarded you are for not stopping the injections. Christ almighty man. You didn't even have the balls to be truthful to your docs and you're telling me your lymphatic issues are caused by nothing yet your ige tests high and you or none of your docs made that connection? God damn man nobody is this stupid you're leaving things out between you and your docs


It's not a fuckin GSO allergy you idiot

Fuck you're dumb

>>39825960
Yeah, nothing serious, just amateur mma.

Weigh in a were same day so I'd be at 165 weigh in and in the ring. I preferred taller guys because I felt they didn't hit as hard and if I could get inside I would do some damage.

Straight boxing was definitely harder in that regard.

I miss it too but I bounce on weekends and am on call doing regular security during the week so I can't dedicate myself to it, lifting on the other hand I can manage.

>>39818980
hold on, have you some actual info on this that's verifiable?

I've been on trt for a bit less than a year, did some hcg during that time and my testes came up to normal size, never went back down again.

I've thinking about coming off for ages now, where in the hell are you getting the idea that no PCT is necessary after trt?

I certainly do not look forward to tamoxifen and all that shit, made me feel like crap while coming off cycles.

>>39825963
>>39826008
cuz my lymph nodes arnet swollen retards, they were for a few days when i was sick but theyre gone. i am pretty sure when multiple radiologists and specialists say i dont have swollen lymph nodes, i dont have fucked up lymph nodes.

kill urself. how did u even waste that much time typing all that shit out

>>39826008
I just need to reiterate

No doctor, seeing your ige tests high, even if WBC is within range, would tell you anything but immediately stop taking injections of oil hormone of an unknown origin. Not having elevated WBC now showing you aren't actively infected doesn't mean you didn't have an infection before that caused your current immune response and that you aren't at risk for a serious life threatening infection the next time you inject China melamine turbo 5000. you are at high risk for abscess and your immune response is a symptom of your condition. Not everything is or isn't a causitave relationship between bloodwork and actual progression of your condition. You blow my mind man. I realize this fraud isn't exactly a bastion of higher learning but you honestly take the cake for totally ignorant self destructive behaviour. You're a fucking idiot bro and nothing you say as a personal attack towards me will change it. I have no motivation outside of trying to make you aware of how deluded andn ignorant you are. You are exactly what that ginger bodybuilder with the beard talks about on YouTube-- this is serious shit with the potential to fuck you seriously up and you are prime example of that

>>39826045
they are baffled because from both phyiscal examinations and bloodwork no one would ever guess anything was wrong with me except that im allergic to something

theyre not lymph nodes retard theyre salivary glands

when they get better from me dropping this GSO will u slit ur wrists and timestamp it here before you bleed to death?

>>39826045
Leave him be. With any luck he will kill himself in a couple of weeks.
It doesn't matter how stupid he is once he is dead. His brother wont be able to pass on the family genetics as he is a fat fuck. The Glands family will be remembered as the fat fucks with two autistic sons.

99% sure my dad is on gear, how do i bring it up with him politely

>>39826066
Tell him you want him to stop immediately. tell him it's bad for his heart and you want him to be around when you and your husband finally adopt a child.

>>39826074
Nah I want in on it, but don't want to make him feel like i'm prying

>>39826014
Way cool dood. I'm sure getting a bouncing job isn't as hard when you're as thicc as you are now.

I wanted to box for longer than I have but getting my ass kicked so much really depressed me. Kinda made me realize I don't have the build/frame for it. If there was a decent mma/pank gym or club near me I'm sure as shit I could do that for years, but fuck it, I'd rather stay aesthetic and travel.

You're cool dood, I wanna see a shredded roid version of me @ -200 lbs sub 10% bf. please keep liftin and posting updates for my own curiosity.

My dad's 46 and on 250 test trt.
He has high bp too but does alot of cardio. Asked if he takes anything for estrogen or if the doc gives him anything else he said no.
If I go on trt for life of 200-250 test e per week will I have sides? Gonna be taking hcg for fertility. Also I heard if you're getting your stuff from a Dr they don't normally give cloud, or Adexter etc anything to counter a high estrogen. Why? Why wouldn't a Dr also give hcg if he's giving you test as well. Any tips anything to look out for on this cruise for life.

>>39825903
How's hubeis shipping stealth and have they done any reships for you? >>39826033
He assumed you meant never come off

FUCK Nolvadex bro

Shit is straight poison

Personally if it were just a small dose I'm coming off use hmg and hcg in last few weeks of injections

Come off and only use aromasin and a 100mcg shot of triptorelin. The hmg and hcg should help get you there too so by time you come off you aren't doing bad


I get every side fx in the book from Nolva. It makes my fuckig eyeball
Capilliaries swell! Ruins my vision, can barely drive at night. Also makes me depressed and hopeless. All after a couple days use of normal bodybuilder doses of 20-40mg. Studies show it's effective all the way down to 5mg so I believe steroid users use wayyyy too much.


If you must use a SERM use a new generation like fareston. But still, these are potent female cancer drugs. When oncologists Rx them to patients it's in relation to the seriousness of cancer. To use them willy nilly for steroid cycling is plain stupid, really. Sure triptorelin is a male prostate cancer drug but you would use a fractional dose and only once. Then use aromasin to keep estrogen in check. No need for fuckin clomid or tamoxifen. Fuck those drugs

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>>39826056
I'm pretty sure I'm allergic to GSO too. Even when I cut gear made with GSO in with MCT I still get bad pip but MCT alone is great.

Do you have a skincare routine since you're in SAG? I just recently started using eye cream and moisturizer at night. Inb4 Christian Bale.

>>39826097
For sure.
At my height I need to be this thick as a bouncer to avoid overly confident drunks from starting shit.

And I'm getting laid more.

Right now I just need to decide if I soldier through the bulk until mid February or start my cut early.

Basically plan on blasting and cruising and figured starting a cut on my blast would be a waste but I am getting fat but still I want to be over 200 post cut.

Decisions decisions.

I was posting here regularly under the trip grootgains but then I plateaud and realized I had nothing to contribute as a trip, plus 4chan blocks my ip for two months at a time.

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>>39826159
>How's hubeis shipping stealth and have they done any reships for you?
Stealth was legitimately good, not like glued between some shit. Like the entire thing looked ordinary as fuck and there would be 0 way to differentiate the raws from normal stuff unless you had the picture they send with clarification. Assuming they haven't changed it this was 6 months or so ago.

It was only one order and it got to me just fine albeit a little slower than those that use EMS but eh.

Do you actually trust most sources for trip or did you get that tested too?

>>39826171
it was never bad on my face at all so no, a little makeup just completely made it invisible

started accutane for my chest back and shoulders

>>39826186
Fuck weight numbers what's your bf%?

>>39826056
Even if it's not your lymph nodes which i assumed it was for some reason, if your ige is high injecting gear is the last thing you should be doing. If you were truthful to your docs and they knew you was using gear they'd tell you that Hyper ige and risking even minor infection is a really bad idea. If you get a minor infection that normally your body could fight of you could get really fucked up.

There's no way that you told them you're injecting gear cuz if you did that elevated IGE isn't just an anamoly that isn't serious because there is no apparent cause all of a sudden becomes a pretty rational and reasonable especially knowing one of the earlier doctors reported the young men suffering from high ige as having "distinctive facial appearance" ie swollen as fuck glands.

You need to wake the fuck up. Tell your doctors exactly what you're doing and stop being a cowardly fsggot and holding back you are taking gear. You think catching staph that normally wouldn't survive In a healthy immune system but in yours would spread like wildfire-- you don't think that's a possibility but I'm telling you it is.

I brew UGL gear. I know what goes into it. The most sterile non pharma gear even after being put thru a 0.22um micron can reasonably have minute amounts of bacteria. Most 98% of ppl had good enough immune systems to handle it. Since you're a fucking idiot and never stopped taking UGL and let yourself get healthy and since your IGE, the main marker for immune dysfunction outside of obvious infection from
elevated WBC, the most minor inconsequential bacterial contamination present in most UGL gear could mean a life threatening infection for you.

I know for a fcking fact you haven't told your doctors about your gear usage because if you hadn't withheld this detail they'd easily make the connection between your gland issues / immune response. What right now is non causative would suddenly become a clear link if you had told them the whole story.

idiot.

>>39826205
Somewhere between fluffy and fat fuck?
Honestly I'd put myself around 15-17% based on how I looked like when tested at similar bodyfat, but anon looking at my video would likely put me between 20-35% because they're salty fucks.

The gear definitely has been great so far as putting on lots of weight with minimal fat.

Ultimately I'd like to be 205 @ 7%

>>39826193
>a little makeup
mirin confidence to use makeup as a man

I wish I could do it

>>39826232
honestly if you think you're anywhere near 15-17% you suffer from some massive delusions

it's hard to tell exactly with a shirt on but your face screams fat fuck. I guarantee you're somewhere around 25% minimum

>>39826252
LMFAO i dont walk around wearing makeup, they put it on everyone who appears on camera, except i think maybe some really distant (from the camera) extras

>>39826190

Wow thanks for the info. I'll check them out as I'm always looking for backups and sometimes a certain provider has better prices and quality for a specific hormone that others don't have. Good to hear their stealth is top notch. PPLs isn't amazing like the Reddit fags think. The only reason my packs from them don't get caught is they haven't been inspected. Under X-ray they'd be obvious and I've seen some of his specific stealth get caught before he changed it to the current one, and the current one is just passable. If someone's inspects it after noticing it on X-ray it's getting caught. Just i think some slip thru.

I have a trusted source that's working on a pretty great new stealth method for me and I hope it works out because their Trest ace raws are fire. I'm one of their only non legit customers so they don't have experience in hidden shipments. Their prices are significantly lower than anyone else and they are a legit pharma company that I only have contacts at by stroke of luck thru connections. It shows how most raw sources overcharge since it's so much cheaper from the source. The meme of only a few labs actually doing synths of quality API and a bunch of shady labs doing shitty synths and then there being resellers is pretty accurate.

as for peptide quality I haven't ever gotten tests on them done. I just ordered from a reputable domestic lab and hoped for the best and all the products worked as they should. I am going to find somewhere to get them tested, I don't know though how to get peptides tested properly or if it's different process than for hormones. Something I'll look into. I'd like to know if PPLs peptides are legit and free of dangerous contaminants because the price is right. Wonder how their GH is.

>>39826186
O FUCC, GROOT, COME BACK BB, I never realized how much I missed you until now.

~200 lb lean 10% or less bf should be the goal. I want to see that.

You're on a blast rn tho? You could probably dirty bulk lee priest style to 230 then cut to 200 and see what's up what's up.

>>39826281
this... might not like to hear it but literally everyone underestimates their bf%. u are no where near 15-17%, u are like that other guy says. your face would not look like that if you were under 25%

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>>39826281
I think you're deluded.
Minimum 25% would have me holding 55lbs of fat on my frame, that shirt is unfortunately tight because I bought it pre cycle and despite some bloat in my face and fat in my lower back I fail to see where I am storing MINIMUM ten times pick related on my frame.

>>39826337
i don't see how you are holding any less

you already posted a video with your face in it, just take a shirtless pic rn and post it then

>>39826290
Just a reminder in case you missed my post >>39826222
Go read about hyper ige and how they talk about distinctive facial abnormalities in sufferers. I won't spoil it and tell you what it is. Enjoy that sepsis after a minor Bactrial input anyone else could fight off without notices turns into an infection you flaming moron. And in the meantime watch this (when he talks about idiots using gear and risking their health and well being and fucking themselves up.. that's the part you should listen to)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVP_h2nqnMQ

And for what purpose? By your own admission you look and probably perform like garbage. You've risked your health and you continue to all for the glory of what? To be a member of a Argentinian moose knuckle shaping forum?

Next time you call me an idiot will probably when your bigass ego is on the hospital bed at your young age sobbing wondering why you didn't just listen to that one "faggot" anon who actually knew what you haven't been telling the doctors and made the simple connection

Good luck with your continuing idiocy in 2017

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>"""PMSF"""
>was weighing my (boiled) chicken after cooking it
>multiplying weight by 1.15 to account for water lost during cooking
>in reality I should have been multiplying by like 2x because of how dry it was
>I have been 'fasting' on 2500 calories a day and 500g of protein

Sucks to be retarded. Really does.

Got 5 lbs of raw chicken, gonna boil it as per usual, and then weigh it and know exactly what the fuck I'm doing.

IE, if it weighs 2 pounds after, then I know I just need to multiply my weights by 2.5.

>tfw too stupid to be a bodybuilder

>>39826377
Alex u gay boy BROIL your chicken, don't boil it. Wtf u thinkin boyo.

>>39826377
wtf are you doing with your multiplying shit

>>39826370
"HIES is a rare primary immunodeficiency characterized by recurrent eczema, skin abscesses, lung infections, eosinophilia"

cool i have none of that, thanks for scratching off one more thing. "injecting allergens doesnt raise ur ige levels, dood"

good service you are doing here. one more thing off the list

>>39826303
It's nice to be missed.
My original objective was 225 but I'm fluctuating between 215-220 as is.
Just don't know if I can deal with being a tremendous fat fuck by continuing to bulk till February and looking like a golem by then.

Regardless, should I cut to cruise levels for cut or blast through it?

>>39826318
I'm just used to testing it with an inbody machine and go from that. I am currently refusing to believe I have over 50lbs of lard on me.

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>>39826368
I'm not saying I look good or that I'm not a fat fuck but come on, 50lbs of fat?
I don't hold any on my legs or arms so that's a wheelbarrow of junk in my gut?
I would have much large love handles.

>>39826394
What's your height... you think you have that much LBM? At 15% bf that's 187lbs of lean mass/27.4 FFMI at 5'9, on babies first cycle? Why don't you cut and go win some competitions right now? Set some records

>>39826394
>asking the drunk natty about roiding

You're on roids, who gives a shit about being fat for a few months if it means you gain like 20 lbs of muscle when you cut down? You're on a whole new level magne. Ask someone like brick or bimbo about that, or go full piano blast like I want someone to do and keep track of it.

>>39826420
>this
>below 25% bf at 220lbs 5'9

no

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>>39826420
Fucking phone

>>39826381

I usually grill it but that means marinating it with pepper and lemon juice and shit and I've been busy with work so I've just been tossing chicken breast in water and boiling it

How disgusting it is helping me with appetite control (or so I thought).

In reality I was just stuffing my fat fucking face with 3000cal a day telling myself I was 'fasting'.

>>39826387

You calculate based on raw weights. But I won't eat raw chicken. So you're supposed to weight it before and after to find out what the raw weight is for every X ounces you eat.

I read on bodybuilding.com that "cooked chicken weighs a little less so just multiply by 1.15'

BTFO hard, I was eating more than 2x than I needed I think.

I'm gonna go to the grocery store get more breast and do the actual math.

I started realizing something was wrong when I

>bought 5 pounds of chicken breast 2 days ago
>supposed to only be eating 19.5 oz a day (raw weight)
>oh shit it's gone after 1.5 days

LOL

>>39826434
This isn't 25% lol, just eyeballing it you're just above 15 so I'd say 18ish is more realistic. Go get a ~$8 caliper and do the measurements yourself if you're that worried

>>39826435
B R O I L
R
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Salt it a wee bit, lemon pepper, and leave it for 20 mins at 350 and it'll taste WAY better w similar to identical macros. The fuck you doing with this boiling shit. And then you can calculate it accurately dummy

>>39826422
And 184.5 natty I had 161.6 LBM.
Hoping I put on a fair amount of LBM in the near 35lbs I've put on.

>>39826462
No I know.
I just like the futility of arguing online.

>>39826496
how long have you been on?

>>39826501
Since September.
Plateaud in October until upped my calories late November to over 4000.

>>39826509
>if you discount the 1 month for the "plateau" he gained 35lbs in 3 months
>3lbs a week, 12lbs a month
>1500 surplus

hope you enjoy months on end of dnp and psmf? why would you eat 1500 over maintenance especially on what is presumably half a gram of just test... you could have the same muscle but like 15lbs less fat on you man

>>39826434
So when do you plan to start your first cycle? You have a decent base to get started on. At least compared to guys that juice just to look natty. Maybe consider cutting a bit before you hop on senpai. But you'll blow up on gear.

>>39826542
that's him on gear eating 1500 calories over maintenance gaining 3lbs a week for a few months and still "bulking" in this fashion, aka stuffing his fat fucking face with burgers

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>>39826462

>calculate it accurately

Yeah you can do that boiling it if you have a brain. I have no brain though.

Same shit applies right, weight it raw, then weigh it cooked?

Then I have the ratio.

Also,

178--->170 this month no PMSF.

Think I should be g2g bulk at like 155, a month of PMSF should have me at 155 auschwtizt horror show mode ready to bulk

Hope I'm not gonna get BTFO by lose skin losing 10 lbs a month like I have been though

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>>39826496
>>39826509

This pic was my first "I'm somewhat satisfied with my body rn" post on /fit/ awhile ago at 145 lb ~135 lb lbm I think. Could you fucking imagine a mofo with 70 FUCKING LBS OF ROIDED MUSCLE MORE on that frame?

Pls turn trip on and keep us updated dood. Try and stay as aesthetically balanced as possible too, pls. You're the closest thing I'll ever get to roiding with my frame. I can at least roid vicariously through you, r-right?

>>39826551

SLOW bulk. Nothing big, and do it lean once you're skelly/muscular skelly. Look at my post I did in CBT about gaining muscle and building physique natty. That link Lotus showed me explains exactly why big bulks like Groot is doing is a shit idea for natties.

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>>39826538
>>39826546
Christ anons are harsh.
I went pic related natty in less than 3 months eating between 2800-2500 calories, with EC, I got this.

>>39826542
That burnt.

>>39826435
>weigh 200g of raw chicken breast
>figure out macros for 200g of raw chicken breast
>broil chicken breast
>eat whatever the fuck your 200g of raw chicken turned into
>don't calculate again because you already did it

idk why you're overcomplicating things

>>39826567

Yeah you saw me in that other thread.

Yeah that's my plan, aim for 2-4 lbs a month, 250-500 surplus, cardio, clean food, all that crap.

>This pic was my first "I'm somewhat satisfied with my body rn"

Mirrin'

I don't think I'd need to be on your level to have that feeling. I really hope in 3 years or so after those first three years of noob gains are over that I hit that 'I'm somewhat OK with this' point.

And yeah, I'm expecting to be a skelly in 15 lbs/1 month. Once I get to skelly, I will lean bulk.


The current goal for me is to get to that skelly mode and start bulking. I expect to be there in a month of PMSF.

>>39826590
oh and this works with boiling too

are you boiling an entire fuckin chicken and then slicing shit off once it's cooked?

>>39826596
Nice. You're definitely making great progress dood. I'm so glad you're sticking with it after all this time we've talked and you've shitposted. Can't wait for the finished product.

>>39826590

You're complicating it, with that plan, I have to cook every day.

Current Plan:

>cook a shitload of chicken.
>grab some tupperware containers
>do some first grade level math
>fill them with appropaiate ammounts
>set for 1 week

ez

>>39826587

>2800
>cut that fast

Are you 7'10?

>>39826567
I can't believe how thick your abs are.
And even without roids you can get another 20-35lbs lean mass in on you bud!

And yeah when I went from 180-200 natty all I did was put on enough muscle so that when I cut I broke even.

>>39826613

> I'm so glad you're sticking with it after all this time

It's not even in my hands at this point I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I just quit after the ammount of time you and lotus and everyone spent helping me lel

as you know there's never a finished product... I just hope there's a *product* some day.

You know, looking like I lift weights in general.

From what I read online (lotus links) you can gain 25lbs of muscle those first two years? So it's not unrealistic to hope to escape dyel mode after two years?

>>39817368
>>39817375

wait what dick gains no fucking way that can't be real. If that was real everyone I know me included would be on this shit

>>39826614
>Are you 7'10?
No bro, 5'9 manlet.
I started that cut at 2800 and tapered down to 2500 and lost a good 15 lbs in less than three months.

Worked out six times a week and did no more than 7 minutes of cardio at the end of my workouts.

So even though most are making me feel bad about being a fat fuck now I know I'll shred beautifully eating between 3500-3000 calories this time.

>>39826587
nice fridge mode bre.
Could be better with less hip,but thats your luck.

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>>39826615
40 at the very most, according to my ffmi. I'm in the process of lean bulking 10 lbs more right now and seeing how quickly I can get there while maintaining my current bf% since I'm not scheduled for any bouts anymore.

>I can't believe how thick your abs are.

TFW at least 2 out of 7 years of retard tier working out was dedicated to my 6 pack because that's all my fucking ex fiancé cared about and it fucked my physique. Took all this year and some just to get it noticeably closer to balanced after my dysmorphia let go a bit and /cbt/ posters roasted me.

>at least I have developed abs.

>>39826636
Yeah. 25 lbs of lean gains over a full year starting from skelly with a very low ffmi should be possible on paper natty. It's just a matter of getting there then recomping appropriately.

>>39826665

>when your abs are larger than your pecs

(no bully me I'm aware I have neither)

>>39826665
Going to bed bro but I admire you natties, I caved in because I'm an aging fuck and after four years I saw zero new gains.

>>39816529
Ok I am 6'2" trying to grow taller also wouldn't hurt to have a bigger dick

Do steroids actually do this or is this just a fucking meme

>>39826687
I keked.

Pecs are my goal for 2k17, I want this next ten pounds of bulk to go straight to my tits.

>>39826689
Gn dude. I'm about to board my flight for mainland anyways. Thanks for keeping me entertained while I'm drunk.

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glad to see cancer chipmunk somehow hasn't died yet, sometimes your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others

>>39825783
>>39825903
>>39825969
>>39826301

>And no, I don't trust that nigga jano. Some shit going on over at meso and PM and it appears if it's true jano is a huge conman.

wait, what in the fuck now?

>PPL is nice but really overpriced unfortunately.
>PPLs isn't amazing like the Reddit fags think.

unless you're dealing with some magical unicorn TOP CHEF PRIVATE raws source, panda's got competitive prices and unbelievably fast shipping

as for the stealth, if someone's actually going out of their way to take a look at your pack you're 99% fucked no matter what wizard shit the dude does to hide it, the key is security through obscurity and basically just relying on the fact that there are waaaaayyy too many fucking packages for anybody to actually look at

>>39826394
>Just don't know if I can deal with being a tremendous fat fuck by continuing to bulk till February and looking like a golem by then.

you haven't made it until you scare women and small children

>>39826698
kys

>>39826704

Yeah, my glutes are 'lagging'

My calves and quads are devolvped (not to any real level, still tiny toothepicks, but this once again is all relative) because of being a fatty and carrying around my fat ass all day.

My glutes however, they're just not existant. It's fat and bone.

So I split my routine from Full Body A cardio B to Lower/Upper I have pretty much a full day to work on my glutes.

I'm aware I'm not gonna put on an ounce of muscle at an aprox 2500 calorie deficiet but it's the habit that counts right + stop muscle wastage by working them

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>>39826733
>2500 calorie deficit
>natty
You will lose all of your muscle mass,stop being a retard,you wont be a skeleton,you will be pic related.

>>39826155
PLS respond.
I know you guys we I'll call me a retard for posting about steron related questions that are hard to be answered by google anyway but pls.

>>39826747

Why does everyone have a different fucking opinion?

Half of /fraud/ is promising me that PMSF results in minimal muscle wastage and the other half is convinced that I will die.

Reee dude I'm so sick of having no defintion no shreds no nothing just wanna lean out and bulk.

You're making me anxious anon

>>39826773

The half promising you no muscle wastage from a PSMF are probably under the assumption you're using at least a cruise dose of gear.

>>39826723
fuck off faggot fite me irl

>>39826747

Also that doesn't make any sense logically. How would I gain bf% at a massive deficiet?

Why wouldn't I look like a skeleton with no muscle mass and single digit bodyfat?

My understanging was

>minimal muscle + minimal fat= skeleton

How do you cut at a huge deficiet and magically get fat

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>>39826760

250 is way, way fucking high for an actual legitimate md-prescribed trt protocol, hell even 200 is where I start to wonder how shady the doc is

individual aromatization is wildly variable but there's a statistically significant chance that he's got high e2 kicking his bp and a whole bunch of other shit into overdrive, the "no aromatase inhibitor" thing is 100% bullshit, and exemestane (aka aromasin) is the gold standard unless you're one of the magical unicorns that's a low or non-responder to that particular drug

basically all you can do is start with x dose and play with it until you find the point where you cap it out without having to gobble exemestane like fucking pez

>hcg

people will argue back and forth about the upstream and lateral implications of long-term gonadal suppression, but literally the only reason to use hcg is to keep your goose eggs nice and plump

>>39826773

because you've clearly got no fucking clue and not even the shadow of a hope that you'll find one before the promised giant meteor scourges the world clean, which would probably be a huge net benefit for the planet in the long run since it heads off the possibility of oxygen thieves like you reproducing

>>39826782

Alright I'm gonna take it under advisement and maybe just eat like 2000 (1750ish deficiet) isntead of PMSFing

(My TDEE is very high because I do a lot of volume due to my roidaroo MasT style routine)

It seems to be working for cutting at least though and I have no symptoms of overtraining.

Is overtraining a giant meme? I'm lifting for 20 hours a week now + 7 hours of cardio a week and I haven't experienced any of the symptoms I was promised.

At this point I just want to keep 'overtaining' and see if I can make gains when I'm bulking and try to disprove it as a meme.

None of the stuff, (Fatigue, Depression, No ability to recover, cortisol levels, stress) has been observed that I was warned about.

I think I'm just gonna 'overtrain' for two years and then we'll have our answer if it's a meme or not if I'm DYEL or not in two years.

>>39826806

alright alright I won't PMSF. sheesh.

>>39826155
>>39826760
can't be answered like that. it depends on how you respond to testosterone, 250 can get some people to 2000ng/dl and others to 750ng/dl. 250 is usually above supraphysiological unless you're an incredibly poor responder, though

going supraphysiological (above 1200ish ng/dl) is not maintainable permanently, you're basically just permablasting and not on TRT. your lipids will go to shit and you'll suffer the typical permablasting sides

the answer for the last part of your post is that most doctors (even endos) are completely clueless about TRT. good ones will periodically have you take blood tests and help you deal with whatever happens, though (increased estradiol, high bp, etc). you might have to doctor shop or get your AI yourself from the internet if needed. running hcg permanently is also not a good idea.

>cloud
>Adexter
I hope those are mobile typos

sounds funny though

>>39826818
>3750 tdee
kys

>>39826838

>eating 2500
>losing 8lbs this month

let's do the math here.

510 calorie deficit= 4 LBS a month.

So 8 lbs means... 820 cal. 2500+ 820= 3320. My TDEE for last month.

That was lifting for 10 hours/week. I recently doubled the volume I'm doing. Why wouldn't that result in a TDEE increase of 500?

I'm not gonna start eating 3250 and hope I lose weight but I suspect my current TDEE is 3750.

math at the end of the month will figure it out for me exactly.

>>39826818
i think you're a shit trip who doesn't know anything, gives shit blogs and gives shit advice
but i truly admire your autistic focus.

>>39826818
Look.
Cut with 500 calore deficit,building muscle is hard as a natty,so try to lose little to no muscle mass while cutting,you are a novice so you can still do linear progression while being on 500 calorie deficit,but its impossible to progress with 2000.
Bodybuilding as a natty is a fucking marathon,not a fucking sprint so dont rush it.

>>39826880
he's not doing lp at all

he's doing some memey bodypart brosplit, I'd be surprised if he even does the big 3

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>>39826818

you train 20+ hours a week and you look like a bag of sweaty smashed assholes, I train for under 10 including daily stretching and look like a fucking meat golem compared to you with lifts you're probably never going to get near

overtraining isn't a meme, you're just not doing jack shit when you "lift" and you barely have a shaky fingertip grasp on how to spell "nutrition" much less what it actually involves

>>39826838
>going supraphysiological (above 1200ish ng/dl) is not maintainable permanently, you're basically just permablasting and not on TRT. your lipids will go to shit and you'll suffer the typical permablasting sides

assuming you do the right thing and get blood panels 2-4+ times a year, don't eat like absolute shit, and do some cardio every once in a while, it kinda is maintainable

assuming you're not genetically predisposed to getting gorilla-fucked by your lipids or bp or a suicide bomber of a sneaky heart valve dysfunction, low range supraphysiological doesn't have the same kind of deleterious effect as actual honest to ghost blasting (ie 500mg+ test etc) or especially some orals

>>39826894
Nice literature brick,your words sounds like they came out of a novel.
Also you forgot to mention you are on roids.

>psmf for 10 days, had a cheat meal once on day 7 (actual big sized meal not an all out fat pig binge) before a meeting so I could focus
>not even hungry past the first few days at all
>add in dnp 500mg
>fine for first 3 days, still zero hunger
>4th day at the end of the day feel really light headed and shitty, trying to fall asleep but have this feeling of dread that I won't wake up if I do
>suddenly also get ravenous at the same time that feeling comes
>wind up binging my ass off, prob had 3k cals total for the day, 2.5k in that sitting
>still at a deficit from the dnp

>next day/right now, same feeling
>not even hungry this time, but my instincts are telling me if I fall asleep I am going to die

What do I even do? I have zero hunger but a sort of "instinctive" fear right now of falling asleep or closing my eyes. I subconsciously believe that I am going to die in my sleep. I am not even close to overheating (no carbs, so no heat) and zero desire for food.

Am I being a bitch? Should I just try to sleep?

>>39826885

You guys are gonna laugh at me for this but here's what I'm on now.

I am aware this is suboptimal. It's mostly a mental thing. If I do more volume I feel like I'm working harder and triyng harder and feel better about myself/happier.

I am aware muscles need 48 hours to recover but I have not at all had any problems with recovery time (Maybe this is because of how DYEL I am? Maybe if you are pushing babyweight around you don't need 48 hours to recover? Maybe this is why I am not suffering overtraining symptoms?)

7 day a Week split.

ABABABABABABABABABABAB

A:

OHP 4x12
BP 4X12
DB BP 4X12
DL 3x5
bent over Rows 4x12
lat pulldowns 4x12
Barbell Shrugs 4x12

That's pretty much it for compounds. After that I spend like an hour on meme machiens, because I go X Failure. I can't go X failure on benchpress obviously, but on a machine, yeah.

I like the machiens a lot because you can go to failure with no risk. What are you gonna do on barbell benchpress? Go to failure, roll of shame every single set?

Finish off workout:

>calve raises 4x12
>wrist roller 5x failure
>hour of cardio

Day B;

Start off with all the meme shit that girls do on the machiens (kegels?)

I find it's a great stretch for hamstrings

Squat 4x12 lowbar
Squat 4xFailure high bar.
Glute briges 4x12
Trap bar Dl 3x5
Legpress 4x12
Legpress 4xFailure
Calf curls 4xfailure
>Calf raises (barbell) 4x12
>cal radises machine 4xfailure

Finish off workout:

>wrist roller 5x failure
>hour of cardio

I have had zero symptoms of overtraining.

>y-you're routine is horrible.

this is a hobby for me and I like this routine, it makes me physiologically happy to lift for so long and so much volume

With no overtraining sumptoms I see no problem with it.

>>39826880

Alright I'll get back on 2500 a day.

>>39826877

xoxo

>>39826894

>I trained for years
>I look better than the guy lifting for 3 months permacutting the entire time at huge deficiet

Wow congrats I didn't see that coming d00d.

You must be proud of yourself looking better than I do. I am such a high standard to compare yourself against.

>>39826931
you're misunderstanding

muscles don't exactly "need 48 hours to recover," the muscle fiber repairing process takes 48 hours, meaning any extra work is wasted. it doesn't mean you won't be able to lift again, it means you're wasting the effort spent on lifting

>>39826931
this is the type of retard you see in the gym every day

next time you guys walk in the gym, think about how nine out of ten people in there are like this piece of shit, that's being generous

>>39826963

Ah alright.

My only concern is hurting myself or overtraining. Like I said, this is antecedent, but I suspect at such DYEL bitch weights you don't need to worry about it, because I have 0 of the symptoms.

Wasted effort is nbd. That's life. You work and work and try and try then you die lol

>>39826936

Just to add onto this I can't understand this attitude. I always compare myself to the best.

I compare my phsyique to Natty MasT, Lotus, and makes me want to try that much harder and get that much closer.

Why on earth would you compare your physique to mine?

Your mental gains are lacking big time if you think you can compare yourself to me without looking stupid

Why would you want to be smarter than a retard?

>>39826963

That's not quite true. The repair process takes a variable amount of time based on how much damage you've done. ~2 day is just the point at which your rate of protein synthesis goes back to baseline following a workout (assuming an unenhanced lifter, I don't know what the timeline looks like on gear).

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>>39826912

I'm more geared up than the transmission on a fucking f1 car and yet that doesn't detract at all from the fact that I actually know a tiny little bit about this shit, it just means that I can actually use it effectively to get some real results

>>39826931
>>39826936
>>39826975
>7 day a Week split.

jesus christ that hurts just to look at

>Wow congrats I didn't see that coming d00d.

if we're talking contiguous training time then ~16 months, 12 of which were spent easing back into lifting while running 250mg test e a week, dropped almost 50lbs of fat and put on probably 30 in muscle, and crushed every single old pr within a month of getting back into the gym after over 3 years off

that's what is easily possible if you know what the fuck you're doing

>I look better than the guy lifting for 3 months permacutting the entire time at huge deficiet

then a) why the fuck are you tripping and b) why the fuck are you tripping and lastly c) why the fuck are you trying to do some massively retarded routine on a fucking retarded diet that you managed to spectacularly fuck up because you didn't read the fucking book it's from

>Wasted effort is nbd. That's life. You work and work and try and try then you die lol

so you're either intellectually lazy or just stupid, that's the only two I can come up with after you're told repeatedly and very bluntly exactly why your trying to reinvent the wheel bullshit is retarded like every other newbie that tries to handjam 15 different things together while ignoring all advice to the contrary

you either don't want to actually improve and learn in which case you might as well quit now or you actually take the time to corral more than two brain cells to rub together, sit down, learn, and shut the fuck up until you can come up with intelligent questions demonstrating some kind of thought without the stupid falling out of your mouth

>>39826614
Just cook full packs while calculating and then divide.

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>>39827011

any reasonable person lost all respect for you after seeing you look at my physique and triumphantly crowing that you look better

legit pathetic desu

why don't you compare youself to masT? You're both on gear. You're both bodybuilding.

Because you're too insecure with yourself to feel inferior in bodybuilding, because you have nothing else going for you expect a mediocre roiding for this body

Despite the fact that you're so fat you're embarrassed to take a shirtless pic.

I'm fat too, but I'm not a little c.cuk bitch embarrassed to show my gut off.

>that's what is easily possible if you know what the fuck you're doing

To roid to look like this? desu I thought it was impossible to look this shit on gear but someone always proves me wrong.

>while ignoring all advice to the contrary

If having a bad physique means you can't trip, drops yours and I'll drop mine.

A) why are you tripping when you look like this on gear

B) why the fuck did you feel the need to use gear to look like this

C) why would you do something as massivley retarded as inejcting yourself with chinese bathtub hormones for this

Congrats on looking worse than catpiss who's been lifting for 9 months though in his entire life

>>39827037
Time for you to fuck off and leave now, coming into a roid thread and fucking around is one thing now you're just being fucking retarded

Didn't think you were the type to get this butthurt over truth.

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Monday it'll be week 5 of 600mg test/w

Up 5 kg's and delts are starting to get bigger and rounder

Haven't had to take any asin yet. Maybe the gods blessed me with some nice aromatizing genes? plz be true

>>39827060
Like your autism was annoying but fun to watch how dedicated you APPARENTLY were now you're just getting angsty when he's telling you how it is

>>39827060

It's the truth that I'm retarded as I said myself 100 times.

It's one thing when bimbo says it because noteworthy physique. Or if you say it. Or anyone else but brick.

But brick? lamo.

You don't think this is pathetic?

He has the second worst physique ITT, so he looks at the singular worst physique and says 'lol I got that beat'.

I don't understand how you don't agree with me.

You always are the one calling everyone fat and dyel and roiding for this.

And you seriously respect brick's physique? What are you, dating him?

This is uncharacteristic of you.

Why can't we all just be friends?

>>39827037
You look like a fucking midget from Fort Boyard.

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>>39827037

ruh roh, somebody poked the autistic bear one too many times

>why don't you compare youself to masT? You're both on gear. You're both bodybuilding.

*powerlifting

>Because you're too insecure with yourself to feel inferior in bodybuilding,

I just want to have a moment of silence for all the brain cells that died trying to figure out what the fuck is going on right here

>Despite the fact that you're so fat you're embarrassed to take a shirtless pic.
>I'm fat too, but I'm not a little c.cuk bitch embarrassed to show my gut off.
>To roid to look like this? desu I thought it was impossible to look this shit on gear but someone always proves me wrong.

man you are just like suuuuper fucking mad right now, I can't even imagine the hailstorm on your keyboard while you froth at the mouth trying to find an angle on me

>Congrats on looking worse than catpiss who's been lifting for 9 months though in his entire life

I'd love to see cp's reaction to someone saying he looks better than me

>>39827060

the REEEEEing directed at me doesn't really ever stop being funny

>>39827072

good chunk of that 5kg is gonna be water from the spiked e2, see >>39826806

>>39827085

shut up nerd

you still doing the modified cube?

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>>39827081
>He has the second worst physique ITT,

guys, why /fraud/ is a massive circlejerk here?

>>39827091
I forgot what the modified cube is... So no?

forgot name. Anyone here used Arnold's blueprint before?

>>39827081
Blurry pics don't really prove a lot. Also you won't see a men's physique competitor pull 600+

>>39827091
>good chunk of that 5kg is gonna be water from the spiked e2
no doubt. But everything else feels fine. I think I'm going to hold off from using my AI until I get some other symptoms

>>39827081
calm down bre.

>>39827089
that is a sick reference

>>39827091
brick how much rounding is okay while deadlifting.
including lower and upper back.

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>>39827108

*dutch rudder

you see it's not gay because it's my own hand

>>39827109

oh, thought you were one of the dudes I ended up emailing the get fat and lift heavy shit pastebin

>>39827123

the agonist/antagonist thing? not personally but a couple guys I run into at the gym seem to like it enough and it's conceptually sound

>>39827144

as little as possible, you'll see some dudes like kk pulling rounded upper all fucking day and it works for them but ideally little to no upper and absolutely no lower

the biggest factor for lower is once you're braced, that shit does not fucking bend AT ALL after that until the rep is done and the load is off your body

upper you've got some wiggle room bc depending on individual leverages, flexibility/mobility, etc it might actually work out better for your upper back to be slightly rounded if it gets the rest of you into a more advantageous position

the only problem you run into like that is you've got to have fucking stupid upper back strength to a) stabilize while going through the lift while your scapulae are neither fully retracted or extended but in some fucked up middle ground, and b) once you start going further into the lift above the knee now your traps and the sock of muscle around your scapulae have to do this enormous amount of work to pin your shoulders together and achieve full retraction

ed coan and chris duffin's shit on the supertraining yt channel will help you immensely

>>39827130
is it a jojo reference?

>>39827183
thanks brick,I am still considered a novice since I have a 3.5 pl8 deadlift for 5 reps and everybody says diffrent shit about this.
Also how much soreness is okay after a deadlift session,do you get sore or not feel it at all ?

>>39826434
dude wtf. you look exactly like GrootGains

>>39826838
what are the typical permablasting sides?

So its not a good idea to cruise on 250mg inbetween blasts?