So my friend has a stupid plan >goal is to lose weight >eat

>cardio
Loss of muscle mass
>1000cals
Loss of muscle mass
>No sleep
Loss of muscle mass

This guy is going straight to skelly mode.

>>39674100
he's going to lose weight at first and think it's working, but he's also going to be tired all the time, lose hella muscle mass, and gain the weight back in a few months as fat

He's gonna end up skinnyfat. Ask him what his goals are, if he says anything about abs, direct him to the wealth of info on the internet that says getting lean and not just becoming a skinnyfat trainwreck isn't possible if he's retarded about nutrition.

he'll feel like shit and lose weight

>>39674100
He's going to lose a lot of muscle

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>>39674152

>>39674100

Why are you friends with retards anyway?

let him end up being underweight yet have 20% bodyfat.

>>39674100

Guys, is what I am doing ok?

>6ft
>183lbs
>20%bf

>1200kcal
>Lifting
>Enough protons
>Enough sleep

>>39674202
>lanklet
>eating 1200
Bruh, go for 2000 at least

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>>39674215

No, damn it. I want to get to 12%bf fast. Am I going to fuck up? The diet is been easy for now, although I've only been doing it for 3 days.

>>39674215

6ft is lanklet? lel

>>39674185
>lose weight so you can start gaining weight
????????
literally what the fuck why not just start building muscle?

>>39674250

Because past 15% bf you start getting fucked up hormones, gaining fat because even easier compared to muscle, you look like shit and feel like shit. It's better to be at low bf first, then bulk in a controlled manner, never going past 15% bf.

>>39674271
oh so that's why all the powerlifters and what not are way, way beyond 15% bf, they want to fuck their hormones up

fucking retard

>>39674185
>lean
>implying you will be lean when your muscles are dough

>>39674298

Powerlifters have a shit ton of muscle below that fat, it's not like they are sumo fighters. Having muscle does increase test by itself. That doesn't mean they would be healthier at a lower bf.

>>39674271
Kill yourself retard. You need to lift in order to drop bodyfat.

>>39674327

> That doesn't mean they would be healthier at a lower bf.

Wouldn't*

>>39674185
aaaa what a retard

>>39674335

Please point to where I said you don't need to lift.

>You need to lift in order to drop bodyfat.

Not true.

>>39674298
powerlifters pump themselves with the appropriate hormones, completely drowning out any effect from their fat

fucking retard

>>39674202


>not on roids

youll end up 165lbs 19.9% bodyfat by the end of it.

>>39674327
are you legitimately trying to fucking argue that you should cut to ~15% before you start strength training just to "increase your test levels"?

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>>39674298

Powerlifters are on steroids.

powerlifters are fat, ugly, deformed fucks despite being on steroids.

do you want to look like a powerlifter?

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>>39674357

No, you stupid fuck. I am saying you should begin SS while dieting down to 12%bf before doing a bulk, so you can more easily control your weight and fat gainz, plus having optimal hormonal balance an feeling better cause you're not a fat fuck.

>>39674354

What if I start injecting Test?

>>39674352
You're right, you don't technically need to lift to drop BF, but if you want to drop BF faster and actually be in shape and not be a Jared Fogle faggot who only walks, you should lift. Lifting allows you to burn extra calories all day recovering.

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>>39674386
The whole thing was about him losing weight and losing weight only, and he'd start building muscle only AFTER that. Instead of doing it while cutting. I even said in my post
>literally what the fuck why not just start building muscle?
which is exactly what you too think he should be doing you doofus

>>39674405

Yeah, I agree. I never said you shouldn't lift.

>>39674408

My bad then, I didn't even read the post you were replying too.

>>39674100
he dont need protein if he wants to lose weight

if he can pull this plan up, which i doubt, he will lose weight but his muccles first

You friend wants to end a skinny fat smelly?

No tone with no bodybuilding. Cardio is shit and eats away muscle.

Lift for gain or die in vain.

pump is life

I'm actually thinking about doing something similar
>1.77m (5'10/9?)
>120kg (265lbs)
>23yo
I was thinking about keep going to the gym and only doing cardio for a month or two to lose some weight and start lifting after that

>>39674805
Do both cardio and lifting. Lifting burns fat, more efficiently, due to the calories the recovery consumes.

>>39674853
Could you recommend me a beginners program? I was planning on doing SS but I've seen a lot of people making fun of it. Also, is there any downside to do cardio after lifting? I know you shouldnt do it before so it doesn't affect your lifting but I don't know if theres anything wrong with doing afterwards

>>39674100
The "your metabolism will slow down" meme is, I'm sorry to say, true as fuck. I've crash dieted before, and the weight (not just water weight) will find its way back quickly

>500 kcal deficit
>intermittent fasting w/ fasted cardio (skip breakfast and do cardio instead)
>slow & steady

>>39674327
Sumo wrestlers are often bretty buff

>>39674100
>>39674185
There is no point arguing with people like this. Just let him do his thing, it will only frustrate you to keep trying to help.

>>39674913

Assuming you lift in the afternoon or evening, you'd get more benefit doing it when you wake up. Even jumping jacks and burpees work. (Jumping jacks are way underrated and get no love here on /fit/)

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>>39675050
Its just irritating when people come to you for help and don't listen to a single thing said despite you being proof of results

They'll lose weight.
But a good chunk of it will be the muscle the body built to move that fat ass around.
Which is, surprisingly enough a lot.

Problem is that the body will continue to eat through that muscle and barely touch the fat. Why?
Cause they aren't doing anything to maintain the muscle on top of not eating enough protein so the body can rebuild and minimize it.
With the excess weight from the fat, and extra calories and protein and heavy eating being over, the body will begin to get rid of the muscle it doesn't need as well as the fat.

The body fucking LOVES muscle. It loves it so much that it will eat that first and fat second.
You have to tell your body to not just make a smaller version of your fat self but to make a less fat and slightly more toned/muscular version of yourself and to burn as much fat as possible.

The legs will get bigger and even maintain muscle, everywhere else will get smaller though.

Oh and the lack of sleep basically ensures that they will hit the wall hard as fuck. By wall I mean where they physically and mentally can not do their diet and exercise plan one more day. They'll know it when they feel it.
The malaise, the tiredness, the acheyness, the crankiness, the brainfog, the meteoric drop in libido, the coldness, the complete and utter overwhelming depression. It'll get bad.

they'll be fine actually

>>39674185
>if you're still lifting
He just said you're not going to make it. Tell him to fuck off.

>>39675207
Kek actually what I think he meant was lifting while going on a cut. I told him I'd be lifting whether I cut or bulk.

If not then, he shouldn't be one to talk. He isn't as dedicated as I am

>>39675163
Wow, really well put, so if I'm fat and only doing Cardio I shouldn't concentrate on my legs while starting to lift because the cardio will take care of that right?

>>39674100
something I learned over the years is never to concern yourself with other people's dieting habits and plans. Nobody asked for help, and they all think they know best.

>>39674372
>Not aesthetic after a 3 month novice routine

okay???

i lost 30 pounds just by walking 30 minutes every day for 4 months. but when i got sick i fucked it all up during christmas and binged ate and havent gone to the gym since, gained it all back. but im gonna go back once i learn some work out routines weights and stuff diet.

>>39675383
The human body is naturally aesthetic at a low bf %, and achieving a low bf % takes less than 3 months.

>inb4 you post some malnourished african child and call it natural human body

>>39674913
Look up bodybuilding type programs. Strength training isn't appropriate for you. Bodybuilding is within the 8-12 rep range and will burn more calories and add more muscle than a Strength program.

>>39675291
If you want stronger or larger legs you'll work on your legs.
If you don't want to work on your legs then you can ignore them.

>>39675469
All of what you said is stupid.

>>39675573
When I say human body I am not talking about some deformed office worker. I am talking about blue-collar workers who aren't overweight.

>inb4 they do physical labour and so they get muscles
The human body was never meant to be stationary.

>>39675652
Whatever dude.

Isn't cutting like at lease 200 calories below maintainence?

>>39674185
the smiley faces, kek

>>39674100
>hard time doing OHP with 5 lbs on each side!
How the fuck? Is that even possible?

>>39674144
I was that guy and lost 90 lbs. It took 2 years but I gained everything back. Now I've been cutting at a 500 cal deficit.

>5'10"
>down to 195lbs
>goal is 1500 cal a day but I don't always make it

Unemployed. job hunting, so I can't get a gym membership. I burn 1200 cal a day on my elliptical but don't have a weight set yet. In place of lifting I've just been trying to do jumping jacks, sit ups, and push ups. Are there any other exercises I could do in the meanwhile to supplement the lack of lifting?