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>>39667062
Ayn Rand ideologies are meme-tier

being well-read is not the same thing as mentally developed. That said, I don't read.

>>39667062
I'm reading that book as we speak. They're already getting into nationalization versus privitization of industry.

It's ok, but is the book really that good?

>>39667097
ayn rand's philosophy basically boils down to anarcho-capitalism i.e. extreme libertarianism with little or no government. It fails for all the same reasons any attempt at 'pure' communism and socialism have always failed, because human beings are flawed animals and we need a social contract and a moderately strong government with the authority to regulate individual behavior

>>39667078
I mean sure, but being well read is conducive to being mentally developed, the two usually go hand in hand.

>>39667097
I believe what important is not to take everything at face value in the book, but the biggest takeaway would be to recognize that society does demonize successful people or people who want to be successful. Society ask good people to sacrifice themselves all the time, it is hypocrisy, tell someone you have ambition or you want to do things for yourself they will ostracize and insult you. Why do you think current society shames men into getting married, Example: A man value maximizes around 30-40 years if he spent his youth correctly, society expects you to settle down because it the right thing to do, produce 2.5 children with a roastie whore so that society can continue, when you break away from that status quo people start to shame you and call you childish.

>>39667120
> projecting this hard

Society has a legitimate interest in seeing itself perpetuated.

>>39667124
I don't think this current society is protecting my interest, so why should I help it continue?

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>>39667062
This book has made me so much money.

>>39667108
Found the boot licking statist scum

>>39667134
how? I want to read it

>>39667108
You've never read any Ayn Rand.

The villains in that book were the heads of rival businesses trying to get handouts from the government. She thought the government shouldn't interfere in commerce because of rent-seeking but didn't give a shit about regulating personal lives.

>>39667062
The Enchiridion of Epictetus.

Read it and become a fucking hero.

http://classics.mit.edu/Epictetus/epicench.html

>>39667062
Really thats your favorite book? Cringe

>>39667120
Wtf am i reading? Are you in high school?

Old man and the sea. Hemingway is great and thats my favorite of his. Good story albeit short

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>>39667062
I finished 'Notes from the Underground'. Currently reading 'Dubliners', and I own a copy of 'Meditations' and will give that a read.

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>>39667062

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>radio.therightstuff.biz


Come home white man.

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>>39667062

>>39667223
Based Marcus Aurelius.

If you end up liking it also read Seneca. On the Shortness of Life is a decent place to start.

>>39667256
1488

>>39667271
>>39667274

Stoicmind

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The Brothers Karamazov is really good. It is extremely dense and long. It takes multiple reading to understand fully. I do not even understand it fully, but even on my first reading, I could recognize what a tremendous work of literature it is.

>>39667062
Honestly I would skip atlas shrugged. Its writing is pretty bad, and it takes way to long to convey its shit message.

>>39667134
This should be in the /fit/ wiki under "starting social skills"

>>39667223
Meditations in on my reading list, I have so much to read and so little time. I'll probably read beyond good and evil or this spoke Zarathustra first, as I am interested in getting into niezche.

Just watch Jordan Peterson lectures on youtube you silly fucks. Enrich your mind.

Camus' The Fall

>>39667223
every man should read Moby Dick twice.

once before the age of 16, and a second time after the age of 21. god what a wonderful book.

>>39667296
Zarathustra is probably Nietzsche's most entertaining but least clear writing. Definitely start with Beyond Good and Evil.

Read a bunch when I drove trucks otr. Carried that over to now. Been reading Brave New World as of recently and have been delving into davincis notebooks.

Read a lot of Kafka, Nabakov, Lovecraft, Orwell and others before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SUWK_pWrbw

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>>39667284
Never change /fit/

>>39667274
Will do. Being an Ausfag I got the summer holidays now. Hoping to make them metal and physical gains.

>>39667296
Read 'Notes from the Underground'. It's considered the first existential novel, and if you like Dostoevsky you need to give it a read. It is a little difficult to read since the protagonist is an unreliable narrator.

>>39667306
I also read 'The Stanger'. I liked it a lot, not difficult to read or interpret.

>>39667333
I actually am starting Zarathustra as my first Nietzsche book. I'll have to look into your recommendation as well.

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

>>39667378
If you like that, you should read the Phaedrus and realize the narrator was crazy and Plato was right the whole time.

>>39667352
The stranger is another of my favourites. It's also such a short read, you could easily read through it in an hour or so.

I've also read Notes, for me it seemed like he was describing, perfectly, the incel/r9k type. Or rather the rejected bottom-tier men of society, it was pretty startling how dead-accurate he was of their thought-processes and perspectives

>>39667145
Not even him, but sure. Enjoy a modern-day survival of the fittest situation.

Protip: you're probably blue collar or a student bound for a shit-tier white collar job, given your arrogance. You'd get fucking ass-raped in a pure libertarian society.

>>39667062
The Fountainhead was better.

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>>39667223
How is the sound of the waves? Is this like Great Expectations but in japan, I don't know why but great expectations I read fine, but anything involving japanese literature and unrequited love will fuck me up. I don't want to be depressed for weeks.

>>39667148
Its the #1 guide for management. It got me a job, and probably about 3 merit raises.

>>39667062
>those are the people that you type with on /fit/

i actually prefer to become a fag fuck than to be associated with some a*n rand reading faggots, for fucks sake

>>39667473
don't you have a "protest" to attend?

Count of Monte Cristo

it's also the ultimate /fit/ book as it is an epic story of self-improvement, foresight, revenge, and one upping all of the dicks who screwed you in the past

>>39667481
dont you have some cock to suck on, kike?

>>39667484
>revenge is good

spotted the kike

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>>39667488
>dont you have some cock to suck on, kike?

>>39667496
>revenge isn't good

spotted the kike

>>39667120
I remember when I was in high school and thought I was special

>>39667496

When some nigger puts you in prison for life on falsities and steals your main bitch and oneitis while you're rotting in a hole it is very very good

>>39667514
im not beta enough to either have a "oneitis", or let some nigger steal my girl in first place

You guys got anymore of these philosophy books? I'm planning on ordering a bunch of these.

>>39667534
you're on 4chan bro, try again

>>39667120
>implying hes wrong
>implying he didnt trigger all the normie underachievers ITT

>>39667342
>read while i drove
Wtf

>>39667534

You're going to be able to do a lot about it if you're in a French dungeon right

>>39667538
start with the greeks

>>39667542
>le ur on 4chan meme xD
>le only losers browse this site meme xD

believe it or not, thats wrong, i'm here because i have genuine fun browsin this and im not your average /v/irgin wasiting 24/7 of hes life here, spamming memes about video games or anime

>>39667544
>he doesn't read and drive

>>39667534
Lol virgin detected

>>39667557
lol this moron is from misc

>>39667557
Holy shit
This is projection

>>39667548
i woudlnt let myself enter one in first place :^)

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>>39667223
>Notes
Excellent
>Dubliners
Excellent


>>39667062
100 Years of Solitude is my favorite but Dostoevsky is my favorite author.

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Hound of the Baskervilles is an old and personal favorite.

For actual substance that's relevant I say pic related

>>39667237
forreal though

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>>39667567
>>39667560

based loserbros

>>39667557
I feel like there is a fair mix of retards and insanely successful folk throughout the site.

>>39667414
It's in my top 5 favorite books of all time, and Mishima is in my top three authors. I love his simple, yet elegant writing style. It's similar to Hemingway, who is another one of my favorites

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>>39667108
It has a good message about uncompromising artistic expression but can't be applied to society as a whole. Ayn Rand had spent the last eight years of her life receiving Social Security and Medicare benefits. At the time of her death, her estate was valued at $500,000

>>39667655
you never answered the question, is there heavy amounts of unrequited love, and does the MC get cuck? Japan is known for a bunch of melancholy ending and that shit pisses me off.

>>39667660
500,000 is nothing though? for such a famous author she should have been worth more.

My favorite book's The Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradbury.

>>39667544
Yes anon. I LITERALLY read while I drove.

>>39667668
The only proper question you asked, I answered.
The ending is quite happy and refreshing, and it teaches a valuable lesson.
You sound like a total pussy

>>39667673
She wasn't famous during her life, and in the early 80's, $500,000 as quite a lot

>>39667342
Kafka is the shit man. I want to be a writer like Kafka.

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The Book of the New Sun.

>>39667721
Kafka was super fun to read. I wish he wrote more books while he was alive. But he had some issues and was quite the perfectionist with his work.

I'll have to re-read metamorphosis again. It's been a minute since I read him.

>>39667582

Dude write a book about yourself it would be the best one ever

>>39667378
>>39667392
Seconded. Fuck the narrator.

>>39667677
Fuck it's so depressing though.

favorite books and when I read them

>middle school: Count of Monte Cristo and Harry Potter shit, Stephen King
>high school: The Fountainhead, Slaughterhouse Five, East of Eden
>college: The Three Musketeers

Mein Kampf

>>39667403
h-how do you know anon?

>>39667062
Wow you must be so enlightened because you like Ayn Rand

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I mostly just read nonfiction. Histories mostly. Just finished Rubicon by Tom Holland. It covered pretty much all of the late republic, from Sulla to Caesar Augustus. Narrative history so it was thoroughly entertaining. Highly recommend it to anyone interested in ancient Rome.

My favorite book might be On The Origins Of War by Donald Kagan. I don't know why it's not more well known. Meanwhile shit like Guns, Germs, and Steel is force memed down everyone's throats even though it's baby shit. On The Origins of War is great and draws a lot of great comparisons and parallels between different wars and shows the mistakes that governments tend to repeat throughout history that causes them.

Why is Ayn Rand so cringy?

Ulysses desu and i would say Proteus is ny favorite chapter overall

>these heavy sands are language tide and wind have silted here

>>39667872

It is perfect, edgy male 16 year old-core

t. guy who was infatuated with the Fountainhead at 16

>>39667872
Because her 'philosophy' if you can call it that is utter trash, and the beta males and subhumans of the world eat it up. Her philosophy is much like the whole redshill movement that's been going about lately.

She was also an utter cunt irl as well.

I'd suggest just going to Nietzsche if I were you.

>>39667903

this post is pretty reddit desu

>>39667168

can you read

>>39667903
>muh right wing principles is cringe

Just kill yourself.

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It's a shame I will never be able to thank him for the impact he has had on me.

>>39667930
My nigga.

From one extreme to another, his son was a total disaster for the empire.

>>39667903
But are you saying libertarianism is crimge? Or the way it's delivered by Rand?

>>39667800
seconded

>>39667947
Yeah, it's weird how such a great man could produce such a person. I would also thank Seneca too. whenever I'm down I tell myself "What need is there to cry at just the sad parts of life? The whole of it calls for tears"

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>>39667109
>i mean sure, but the opposite of what I just said "I mean sure" to

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so comfy to lie in bed after a workout and escape into a book

>>39667963
Mostly the way she delivered it. Also partially from the kind of people it attracts and influences.

>>39668009
Name one form of political ideology that doesn't attract some form of degenerate

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anyone read Blood Meridian?

Going to read it while on vacation in a week

>>39667296
Agree with this anon

But Zarathustra made me want to read more neitZche bc the others are too textbook feeling. A nice narrative parable is welcomed here.
>raised catholic btw

>>39667914
Desu desu famalam for real anon fitizen aragatu

Saying that is so 4chan

Any rand is a cunt but she stood out in a time when you should've been a housewife so I respect it

That said German writing is goat famalamamamamamam

>>39668034

a new meme enters the thread

>>39668034
low quality b8, friend

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>>39667062
Nice spooks nerd

The Ego and His Own by Max Stirner

This thread is now also a push up thread

>>39668021
I'll give you that. But the amount of degenerates that follow Rands ideology is quite high.

>>39667929
>unironically being right wing

Go back to r/donald you faggot

>>39668059
get outta here heathen

>>39668059
>>39668076
>>>/leftypol/

>>39668022
It's okay. Some people really like it but I didn't care much for the ultra violence.

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I thought gym rats are suppose to be dumb, how come you faggots actually know good books?

>>39668080
>>>r/the_donald

>>39668021
Compared to say...
>>39668034
It's ok to be a leftie and disagree. Lashing out like that is why she's only becoming more relevant.

>>39668111
we dont waste our time watching weebshit, fucking subhuman

>>39668076
Go back to the welfare line faggot

>>39668136
go back to getting cucked by tyrone, goy

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>>39668059
Really?

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>>39668142
of course greatest ally

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>>39667097
>>39667108
>>39667120
The justification Ayn Rand is running for anarcho-capitalism is people should get from life what they put into it. The problem is that perfect equality of opportunity doesn't exist, and if you really want a perfectly even playing field, you'd have to strip children from their parents and raise them communally or something equally dystopian. It's an interesting albeit deeply flawed perspective and I think to the extent that we can improve equality of opportunity, we can justifiably cut back on "safety net" programs.

The other side to this is if you take a broader perspective of what equality of opportunity means, it's not like it's an accident that the offspring of loser A and loser B finds themselves situated in a loser's shoes. Still, that's not exactly meritocratic so I don't think that's what Rand is getting at, but she's assuming a kid born to losers can yank themselves up by the bootstraps if they REALLY want it that bad, which I don't think is WRONG, but an average kid born to losers is going to be a loser whereas an average kid born with a trust fund is probably going to do better than a lot of more "deserving" (in the meritocratic sense) people.

>>39667296
I've read it twice. Been meaning to read it again. Crime and Punishment is also excellent.

>>39668034
Meh. It's alright. Hardly a great piece of literature and not exactly a brilliant work of either philosophy or science but if you're looking for material to chuck at your religious in-laws it's a decent source.

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>>39668118
>>>/leftypol/
>>>r/socialsm
I guess they are one and the same thing :^)

>>39668111
>Says the guy posting garbage manga
At least post something good

>>39668136
>if you dont support le epic orange man ir poor

>reddit

>>39667660
>Ayn Rand had spent the last eight years of her life receiving Social Security and Medicare benefits
She paid in, why shouldn't she receive a little something back?

The argument is that I should be able to opt-out and not pay in in all.

>>39668059
lmao at not realizing stirner was proto-rand

>>39668202
>let me keep posting le epic reddit meme, that'll show them
Stop projecting you leftist trash

>>39667078
You should.

>>39668180
kek, fucking saved.

>>39667108
>human beings are flawed animals
>because human beings are flawed animals it is a good idea to endow a select few with enormous power, and a monopoly on force

W E W
E
W

>>39668300
Machiavelii was right!

The best form of society is the one that limits people's ability to fuck everything up.

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>>39667062
>Post your favorite book

>>39668283
He was literally a cuck. Seriously, since marriage is a "spook" his wife fucked around with other men and he did not care.

Who Dostoyevsky here??

>>39668477
Ol' Dusty is my closest companion in this crazy world.

I'm finishing Demons now and it's my favorite out of the 4 main novels. One of my ambitions for 2017 is to finish all of Dostoevksy's works.

So far I've read:
The Brothers Karamazov
Notes From the Underground
Crime and Punishment
The Idiot
Currently reading Demons

Still need to read The Gambler, The Double, Poor Folk, and the short stories then I think I'm done.

>>39667237
Making It: The Book

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>strg-f "Starship Troopers"
>0 results
Its like /fit/ doesn't wan't to live in a quasi-fascist utopia. Long live the MI.

>reading fiction makes you smart
This is what nonSTEM majors believe

>>39668840
>Ideas, morals, philosophy et al don't have tremendous impact on our society
This is what STEM-majors believe

>>39668711
Is the only good bit where he talks about the qualities of a prince? It got so boring hearing him rambling about how to maintain every different type of principality.

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"The night Land" by W.H. Hodgson.
A century old dying world genre book with /fit hero.

And she asked me plainly whether I was not truly very strong; and when I laughed with young and natural pride, she caught my arm suddenly to discover for herself how strong I might be. And, surely, she loosed it even the more sudden, and with a little gasping of astonishment, because it was so great and hard. And afterward, she walked by me very silent, and seeming thoughtful; but she went never any great way off from me.

>>39669026
Yeah I almost gave up on the book at that stage but after all of the rambling it gets interesting

>>39667062
I find The Fountainhead to be her best fiction work. More distinct characters, less politics and a very engrossing story that tells you you're gonna make it. Moreover, I think Rand wrote far better essays or was a great journalist rather than a fiction writer. Especially her ripping on hippies is so on point.

It's too hard for me to choose just one book, I read a lot, but among the favourites are certainly:
The Joke by Kundera,
The Glass Bead Game by Hesse,
Brave New World by Huxley,
For Whom the Bell Tolls by Hemingway,
Return from the Stars by Lem,
The Stranger by Camus,
Dune series by Herbert (God Emperor of Dune probably the most favourite),
Crime and Punishment by Dostoyevsky,
Ulysses by Joyce,
The Godfather by Coppola.

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>>39667062
aka Shit Happens And No One Knows Why

>>39667062
>Starts thread about lit and culture
>Uses Ayn Rand as an example of a "mentally developed and cultivated" book

OP truly is a faggot.

>>39667418
>>39667148

its more a booklet than a book, very little content. Dale Carnegie basically talking complete bullshit that isn't applicable to modern socialising anyway. Story after story of ''I was polite to a woman at dinner. The next day, she bought 30 million dollars worth of shoelaces from my small shoelace business.'' "This one time, I saw a man who looked upset. I complimented his hat. Well, he was over the moon. That afternoon, he came into my store and placed an order for one billion dollars and brought me home to fuck his wife."

Complete bullshit. Dudes advice is basically kiss everyones ass, be a pushover, have nothing but fake-ass, surface-deep social skills and suck everyones dick that you meet. Pretend to be everyones friend and that will magically make you a millionaire.

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It's a pity he's become so awful lately

Seveneves is legit one of the worst things I've ever tried to read

>>39670073
I feel the same way. But I also know that I'm a self-absorbed autistic fuck, and that the Dale Carnegie thing is exactly how Chads get laid and get paid.

>Pretend to be everyone's friend

Yep. That's how it works. That's how people do it.

>>39667963
Libertarianism is a useful lens for framing questions about policy making. As an influencing force on governance it's pretty much useless.

We live in a world too far gone for libertarianism without serious groundwork being put in, which there isn't the widespread public or political will for. The ideology itself still has value in that allows policy to be interrogated and limitations identified in implementation and political processes.

Libertarianism somewhat interestingly could be an important point for the 'left' (in terms of a socialist/social democractic wing) to restructure itself in terms of identifying the current neo-liberal market failures in the public sphere and revitalising the vision of a value for money welfare state. The biggest hurdle to that is the politics of envy and imbalance of opportunity currently fueling the current shift to the right. This is something that a libertarian framing of policy questions can combat since it is effective at highlighting market failures and the idea of investment for long term reward.

>>39670073
You missed the deeper lessons which are applicable today by obfuscating the relevance of out dated examples.

His lessons are about understanding the language 'game' (have a brief look at wittgenstein to understand what this means) that people in different situations in business and society are playing. Beyond that it is about being genuinely interested in people and letting them volunteer lessons to you which may or may not lead to learning or opportunity.

It wasn't until several years after reading it that I fully appreciated the book, and that was because I started my own business and changed a fair amount as a person before realising I'd found my own way to applying his lessons independently.

>>39667998
Good taste, Murakami is God-tier escapism.

>>39668300
>to endow a select few with enormous power, and a monopoly on force
There's a reason most governments have slowly become socialist democracies anon, because you spread power out among the voting public while still enforcing societal rules.

The US system in particular is a mix, because it was set up to balance the wants of the mob and the need to be able to make decisions that run counter to the mob. The majority is not always right.

>>39668111
no one on /fit/ actually works out, they just post endlessly about shit.

Also you're average anon did slightly better at school than his peers, and likes to read.

>>39667062
Atlas Shrugged is a terrible book, mostly because Rand didn't allow any editor to touch it and it's a dense page of shitty two-dimensional characters espousing her political views.

She should have just written a book on her political views, but I guess then fedora-tier libertarians wouldn't have something to digest as easily.

That said, anything by Asimov.

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>>39667062

>>39667473
You are a true wordsmith

>>39669026
The Discourses are better imo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourses_on_Livy

>>39667408
>You'd get fucking ass-raped in a pure libertarian society.
Can confirm.

t. Somali

On Killing by Grossman.

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>>39667062

>>39670093

Cryptonomicon is a great book. I couldn't make it through the Baroque Cycle though.

>>39670781
I read through all of this in a call center toilet. Sick as fuck and heartbroken.

Very fitting atmosphere.

>>39667223
War and Peace is really really long but at the same time really fucking epic. Get the sense of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture

>>39667603
See lil black boy for summary notes of related

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It isn't a book per se but The Happy Short Life of Francis Macomber is probably my favorite literary work.

In fact, every single short story by Hemingway is worth your time. Start with Macomber and then look for The Battler, Fifty Grand and Ten Indians.

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>trying to debate with statists and socialists

you know why libertarianism isnt more popular? because it requires a few things.
Strenght.
Dignity.
Intelligence.
Higher empathy.
Logical thinking.

Most people dont have that and never will, because they have inferior brains. Sadly, the few great are doomed to live in shadow of inferior millions.
Im personally repeating philosophy now, starting from the oldest. Read everything I could of Socrates, now Im reading Plato. His ontology is much more interesting than his ideal state, to be honest. I wonder where I can find some more obscure eastern philosophers because my university library has close to none.

>>39667078
The problem with not reading is that you don't notice it catch up to you until it's way too late. All of a sudden, people around you have deep insights on things and all you have is your "common sense." I'm not disparaging common sense since it's definitely useful, but it's wrongheaded to think it's all you need.

My fiance's mother hasn't read a damn thing since she graduated college. I know she's intelligent since she's a pharmacist. But she can't talk about anything interesting and instead just prattles on about completely inane things. And if the conversation turns to anything that requires deeper knowledge, she can't handle not being a part of the conversation and butts in with stupid things.

Don't let that happen to you.

>>39668825
Maybe you should have read the book instead of just watching the movie.

This will probably trigger half of you considering the state of 4chan lately, but I recently read Ishmael and thought it was really good and had a very solid message

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Hardest book I've ever finished. INCREDIBLY GRATIFYING when it's all over. Except you have no idea what happened and wasted 6 months reading the ramblings of an autist. To be honest though this book is incredible.

>>39667076
You're thinking Carl Marx ideologies

>>39667076
yet, every criticism of her work is as deep as your post.

>>39672342
Marx's ideology (which is largely attributed to people after him) was fucked but his critique was spot on. He was the true successor to Adam Smith.

>>39672194
The title just sounds like a troll

>>39672355
Her characters are all 1 dimensional and the plots ultimately play to her power fantasies. Objectivism isn't a real ideology, it's just an excuse for her to get off to powerful men.

>>39672364
desu I took a meme class on 19th century philosophy and this is the takeaway I got from Marx. His critique of capitalism is spot-on and pretty much everyone living today is aware of it, but he offers no real solutions to rectify what's wrong in the present condition, and his idea of a classless society is hopeful at best and retarded at worst.

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>>39669728

>Dune series
>God Emperor your fav

my main Fish Speaker negro

Praise be to Shai Hulud

Please tell me you totally disregard the post abortion medical material that is the Brian Herbert books.

>>39670697
They're ok, some parts were tedious, like the Jewish guy's back story and the edgy metal guy was pretty over the top. Came together pretty well at the end.

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>tfw I was literally this close to doing a full 180 and going into Architecture for college after reading The Fountainhead in high school

wew

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>mfw these are my favourite books

>>39672420
Employee owned companies exist. Unions used to exist... until the aristocracy crushed them.

>>39672450
>edgy metal guy
heh

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>>39672490

>>39667062
Nice meme book you uneducated loser. The Fountainhead is a far better Ayn Rand book.

>>39672559
>>39670697
His Ilium series was really good too.

>>39667062
I've always wanted to read this book because of i think the name is cool but everyone says it's shit.

>>39672549
Unions are different than a classless society. They are also very important to a capitalist system and Smith wrote about their necessity in Wealth of Nations (which makes me think that many "capitalists" like Thatcher who supposedly carried the text at all times never actually read it).

It should also be noted that Marx and Smith were not part of the ideology their texts spawned, they were observers and critics of the current economic trends (actually trends in moral and political philosophy not economics).

>>39667076

That's what you were told to think, and you obeyed.

Dune is my favorite book.
Tex is my favorite book from my childhood.

I'm reading The Prince at the moment though.

I got through book one of Atlas Shrugged and stopped because I had already discerned her point and it was poorly written.

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>>39667062
The storyline is basically the same as Atlas Shrugged.

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Stop bashing Ayn Rand.

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The emotions conveyed in this book are incredible. While reading the second half of the book I felt like the cops were going to get me.

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48 lwas of power

>>39667342
Pretty patrician taste compared to the mongoloids who unironically think rand is good

>>39673151
You'll get caleld names but it's a good book
Art of Seduction is the only PUA type book I'd ever recommend

>>39672962

Tried to read this, seemed a bit cringey desu. The guy had a big ego.

>tfw basic

Still my favorite book, one of very few that left an impact on me.
Also thought a new earth by eckhardt tolle was pretty good, but a little too new age for me.

>>39672739
That's what YOU were told to think, and you obeyed.

>>39673151
its a good book,but makes you an asshole

which is not a bad or good thing, but still an asshole.

>>39673151
Another good one is Diplomacy by Henry Kissinger.

>>39670093

snow crash is my jam. Pity about his recent streak

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tfw too intelligent for /fit/

>>39667108

> It fails for all the same reasons any attempt at 'pure' communism and socialism have always failed, because human beings are flawed animals and we need a social contract and a moderately strong government with the authority to regulate individual behavior

This is by far the most accurate description of Ayn's philosophy I have ever read.

"pure" anything NEVER works. There always need to be a balance between systems for things to work.

>>39667993
I think its because it was his last son. His wife was old when he was conceived.

>>39668022
Its pretty cool. It was like comic book in my head when I read it.

>>39668096
I had to read it on kindle so I could look up every other word, granted I'm retarded but there's also a lot of archaic terms for 'wagon wheel' and shit like that.
Also the ultra violence was awesome dude who wants a western that's all hop along shoot outs and ricochets over gore and massacre?

>>39670688
Great book. He was way ahead of his time, looking at the gender relations of today.

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:^)

>>39673503
Anathem is great.
Different but rewarding.

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It's a good read by Iaasic Asimov.

>>39673614
is this book actually worth reading or is it just a meme?

>>39673621

Have it sitting in my backlog but been lazy about starting it. I'll give it a try

>>39674106
It's just a meme. If you do read it don't get the version that guy posted, it is missing a whole chapter.

>>39667062
>Atlas Shrugged

Sorry anon, that book is terrible.

>capitalism fantasy written by someone who never worked a day in their life
>all the protaganists are perfect overpowered beings
>all the villains are cartoon villains who have no desire other than to take away the protagonists hard earned millions
>rape fantasies everywhere
>80 page monologue

It has a fantastic title though.

>>39667062

Ayn Rand isn't even real philosophy. It's just so famous cause dumb amerifats can relate to it without having to do real thinking compared to other Philosophers.

>>39672671

Like a third of it is actually useful. Don't get me wrong I like Schopenhauers Ontology the most, but still it's such a long fucking book.

>>39667062
Ayn Rand is shit. Stirner, Nietzsche, and their lovechild Novatore are the best individualists.

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If you like science fiction and philosophy I recommend this book.

It's pretty Kino, finished it recently

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How redpilled is Adam Smith ?

Should I bother with this ?

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>>39674366
Literally Bernie Sanders.

>>39674366
Pretty red pilled. Prepare to be bored.

I wouldn't reccomend it as a necessary read. It requires study and historical knowledge to fully grasp his ideas. If you want to devote a lot of time to understanding it you will understand more about moral philosophy. I

f you want to learn about economics (the numbers and graphs part) it will give you some perspective which is good because a lot of economic thought is misleading and built on faulty principles but it is not required to make the graphs that constitute modern economics. It's more nuanced than a textbook, the same goes for Capital by Marx.

>>39671004
did you skip that entire section on history and moral philosophy or what?

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>>39667062
Atlas Shrugged is unironically my favorite novel.
Not the best book, but I don't think there is any other that brings me such joy.

But now that you've posted it, you're going to get a bunch of people who've never read it making ridiculous claims about the story, Rand herself, and her ideology.

Haven't even scrolled down yet and I see people like >>39667108 claiming Objectivism supports Anarcho-Capitalism and Libertarianism, which Rand herself denounces as evil, and Libertarians as "The Hippies of the Right"

>Capitalism is the one system that requires absolute objective law, yet libertarians combine capitalism and anarchism. That’s worse than anything the New Left has proposed. It’s a mockery of philosophy and ideology. They sling slogans and try to ride on two bandwagons. They want to be hippies, but don’t want to preach collectivism because those jobs are already taken. - Rand

I'm not even an Objectivist. But I've never seen a philosophy or book that people are so quick to make claims about, yet are so misinformed about than AS/Objectivism.

I'm both excited and anxious to see the sort of ignorance in the rest of the thread.

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>>39667410
A respectable opinion.

>>39667553
This.

>>39667660
>the social security meme
She regarded overt taxation as theft. The thieves had a program that allowed her to lawfully regain the money she paid into it, back. She took back the money she was force to pay upon threat of jail.

This is in no way a contradiction of her ideals or hypocrisy.

One of the heroes of Atlas Shrugged even runs a literal pirate operation taking unjust taxes back and giving them back to those that paid them.

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>>39667062

>>39675097
Sounds like you have put more thought into it then Rand herself. She believed in laissez faire which when taken to an extreme is Anarcho-Capitalism.

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>>39672767
>>39672437
>>39669728

My niggas. I really need to read the sequels, but I've only ever read the original. Are they worth it?

I have read the original like 4 or 5 times now. It is fucking awesome. Most woke scifi book by far.

>>39675173
C.S. Lewis has a book called the The Abolition of Man that is similar to Atlas Shrugged except it's shorter, has objectively better style (it's CS Lewis-duh), and isn't a boring-ass tome

>>39675262
Didn't C.S Lewis fucking hate Ayn Rand and her philosophy?

>>39675284
I haven't seen anything about that, but it wouldn't surprise me. Lewis was an Absolutist so I can see him hating it.

>>39675262
CS Lewis is great. His Screwtape Letters, Great Divorce and Simple Christianity were interesting reads even if you aren't Christian.

>>39675227

You should anon, gets even more out there and heady.

After you finish Children of Dune (Book #3) watch the Sci Fi mini series that came out in the mid 2000s.

>>39667729
Absolute garbage.
Please, no one read this.

>>39675262

>>39675097 and >>39675173 Here.

C.S. Lewis is my favorite author. His work is the only thing in life I can call myself an expert on. And yeah, Abolition of Man is a book that has heavy similarities to Atlas Shrugged. That, and "The Weight of Glory" are his most "Randian" works.

>>39675284
>>39675340
I have hunted down any point of correlation between Lewis and Rand and never found anything. To my knowledge, neither talked about the other.
And Rand was fiercely absolutist. She believed in the absolute objectivity of the universe. Hence the name of her philosophy.

>>39675355
Yep, they're phenomenal. Abolition of Man is a purely secular work, so that's always a nice point of agreement between those in and outside the faith.
Mere Christianity is the definitive work of the last century on the basics of Christianity.
I'm actually rewriting it as a podcast right now, since so few of my generation are reading it.

>>39675670

Don't listen to this guy, lots of people love Book of the New Sun.

>>39667296
Reading Meditations now, so good. Don't wait to read it.

>>39672490
Same. I've read all the classics too though, just have to enjoy everything that's good.

>>39667603
Read Becoming a Barbarian. Just as good!

>>39667886
Shit talking Rand is also just a edgy. No one wants to counter the message, just criticize and nitpick.
It's all good, everyone does it.

>>39670745
Somalia is ran by a series of warlords but thanks for conforming to a silly stereotype.

>>39667062
I've read Atlas Shrugged twice. I was determined to make sure I understood it. I like the bit about working hard towards your goals and telling people trying to hold you back to fuck off. I didn't like anything that Jon Galt said or did.

People who want to apply Atlas Shrugged in its entirety forget that it only works in the world concocted in the book, which isn't anything like the real world and a very infantile view on how business and government are run.

>>39672490
Those books are really, really well done.

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Pic related is probably my favorite book at the moment. It's a really interesting take on hard scifi. The author is a mathematician so there's a lot of explanations in the book that don't make sense unless you've studied it but you can gloss over the pseudoscience to just enjoy the ride, and it's pretty wild, imo.

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ayn rand died on welfare broke as a joke

and she was friends with some of the most powerful people on earth, like the chairman of the federal reserve

what does that tell you

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>>39675173
>This is in no way a contradiction of her ideals or hypocrisy.

lol

it's OK when I do it

amirite

>>39677966
And Karl Marx, who as a commie apparently isn't supposed to know how money works, was playing in the stock market, running his own newspaper and being leader of a network of global trade unions despite the fact that he was on the shit list of every government on Earth.

Yet morons who never read him parrot things like "dude, he never worked and was sustained by Engels lmao", or bring up child mortality within his family like it was exceptional for the time.

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>>39667062

>>39675173
>One of the heroes of Atlas Shrugged even runs a literal pirate operation taking unjust taxes back and giving them back to those that paid them.
>Le taxation is theft meme

>>39667108
>ayn rand's philosophy basically boils down to anarcho-capitalism

She hated anarchocapitalism and the founder of the ideology, Murray Rothbard.

>>39678012
Not taxation per say, but taxation for certain purposes. The character in Atlas Shrugged mostly robbed ships carrying aid to Europe while the US was suffering.

>communist owns something fancy or makes money, despite the fact that this doesn't know against socialist values at all
>"dude what a hypocrite lmao"
>libertarian lives on welfare and on favors by people in the government including the FBI, in direct contradiction with everything she preached
>"WELL SO WHAT IT'S JUST A MEME"

lol libertarians

>>39674366
>How redpilled is Adam Smith ?

Not very. Cantillon had it all figured out before he did.

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>>39678008

dude just because i think ayn rand is babbys first ideology does not mean i like karl fucking marx

ayn rand fans are like 5 year olds who think me me me all the time will save the world

Ironic that a community or lazy, useless youths opposes Objectivism, no?

>>39678063
>ayn rand fans are like 5 year olds who think me me me all the time will save the world

It must have been hard to meet as many Objectivists as you have, to have made this conclusion.

>>39678174

not really they are all over the fucking internet and never shut up

>>39678227
>not really they are all over the fucking internet and never shut up

that could be just like five guys though

>>39678227
>>39678063
I'm sensing some projection here

>>39678227

So you're making an assumption based on your interaction with a very small sample size?

How many Objectivists would you say you've talked to? 50? 60?

>>39676774
My mistake, Rand Hated Lewis

https://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/03/ayn-rand-really-really-hated-c-s-lewis/

>>39678295

Interesting you like both of them then anon. Let them debate each other in your head.

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>>39667729
Scrolled through the thread just to see if someone posted this. Hands down, one of the best and most important books ever written. There were times while reading it that I would read a passage, and I would have to put it down and stare out my window for an hour trying to expand my mind enough to be able to comprehend what Wolfe wrote. I still don't think I understood it all.

It is (along with Urth of the New Sun) at the bare essence, a retelling of the story of Creation, but written in such a way that will make you believe. Not in any particular god or religion, but just to believe.

ITT : literally no one had read anything by Ayn Rand and still criticizes her

>>39667062

Ayn Rand is the sort of author who gets discovered by self-absorbed teenagers. They identify with the protagonists because they think they're a Taggart, Rearden, or Galt. In reality, they're just completely average dullards who would be the antagonists of the book.

Rand was a meth-fueled pervert who idolized industrialists while her only contribution was horrendous fiction outlining a philosophy of selfishness using what may be the most ludicrously unbelievable characters ever put to paper.

Of course, every angsty 16 year old will read this and blurt, "why don't you attack her philosophy instead of her writing style!" because, idiot, her philosophy only makes sense within the childishly black-and-white, absurd world she created. A world where a character gives, what, a 40 page soliloquy during a party and people plausibly stand and listen?

Christ, I got tired of Heinlein's rants in Starship Troopers, and that was probably 1/10th the length and twice the rigor.

>>39670073

Bah. Probably the biggest single lesson in that book is to sell to people by talking about what THEY want, rather than what YOU want.

"I will bring a varied skillset to your company which will increase your effectiveness and profitability in this market" versus "I want a job at your company because I'm really smart and I like what you do here."

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That's some baby-tier political economy you got there.

Pic related is an actual economics book.

>>39678794
>
lmao

>>39667998

Oh damn, that Johnny Walker shit was crazy. IIRC, Murakami says there are a bunch of riddles in the book. Loved it, but never figured them out.

My favorites are still the sheep one (and the dolphin hotel one, make sure to read them in the right order), and the Windup Bird Chronicles. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go climb into a well...

>>39667301
i thought i was the only one

>>39672450
>some parts were tedious, like the Jewish guy's back stor

Personally, I got tired of all the author masturbation. The fucking Bard, I think, who was always going on about how authors are gods who create universes or some bullshit.

Christ, the author just seemed way too full of himself.

Loved the end, though.

Favorites:

>band
Kyuss

>movie
Star Wars Episode V

>Fiction
Crime and punishment -Fyodor Dostoyevsky

>Fiction series
The dresden files

>Television
First season of true detective

>Anime
Tokyo ghoul

>non-fiction
The way of men - Jack Donovan or The myth of sisyphus - Albert Camus

>"Classical" music
Tchaikovsky's Swan lake or Rachmaninoff's All night vigil (vespers)

H-how pleb am I on a 1 to 10 scale?

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I could literally feel my test increasing as I read this series

>>39678976
7.3/10

>>39679011
Cry

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>>39678316

>>39675097, >>39675173, and >>39676774 here

>>39678295 wasn't me, actually. Pic related. Dunno why he had to pretend to be me just to link the article.

But that's interesting. Not sure I believe it though. Reading her annotations, it sounds nothing like her style, or even ideas. I'll have to look into this further.

But yeah, I've never held the delusion the two's ideologies were compatible. They're both rationalists (as in, they accept the ultimate authority of Reason), but they came to drastically different conclusions about reality.

But, for the same reason I can like both Aristotle and Plato, despite them differing massively, I can appreciate each where they are strongest.
(Lewis is more completely right, though.)

>>39667062

I read Atlas Shrugged shortly after starting my 2nd job after leaving university.

I found it inspiring and it changed my thinking... I applied myself career wise as a result. I went from earning an average salary to earning almost a quarter of a million dollars a year working in technology by the time is I was 31.

I haven't read a book in many years, but I do read a fair and varied amount factual.

tldr; also my "favorite book"

>>39667324
It really is. It really spoke to me, a very redefining message

>>39679558

i read atlas shrugged when i was 17 and thought it was really terrible and redundant. it was less of a book and more a 1000+ page manifesto of some stupid bitch

>>39667534
Lol what a faggot.
Do you even know the story? At least watch the movie ffs

>>39667668
You sound like a very miserable person to be around.

>>39668034
People are shitting on this one but it's actually really good. As someone brought up in the church it really helped me break out of the ideas that had been forced into me since birth.
I came across it when I originally started to doubt a few years ago and then I started watching Richard Dawkins debates. He's a pretty ok dude doing good work

>>39668840
Lol wtf.

Found the douchebag engineering freshman wishing he'd been a history major

>>39678976
You're upper middle cultured. You're a guy born in a regular family and raised in a regular middle-class environment, and you always felt like you were one of the most cultured dudes around, but at the same time the internet made you aware of how much you didn't know.

7/10 if you're under 22, 6/10 otherwise.

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>Pic related
One of the best books I've ever read, easy to read and enjoyable. Great war novel with an antiwar message.
I can especially relate to it being >le combat soldier.

Also The Lords of Discipline is something I read back in the day and reread occasionally. It's a great read, but I feel it only has value and can only be truly appreciated by someone that has been in a military school environment

>>39679898
>7/10 if you're under 22, 6/10 otherwise.

I mean with 10 being the most patrician and 1 the most pleb.

>>39672194
Soooo... Should I read it? Or is it a waste of time?
Because it sounds like a waste of time

>>39667076
FPBP
All these plebs never even read anything about her so they don't know how in her last years she lived off government welfare. If she had any integrity she would have killed herself

>>39679673

So in your experience, was being poor IRL a worthy trade for all that reddit karma?

>>39673544
False. Pure communism and socialism will one day work when artificial intelligence becomes our ruler and humanity is willing to put themselves second to the greater good.

You could say we'll cease to be humans if we lose our humanity... But fuck it.

>>39674680
I don't understand why you would do that to a rim or post it in a book thread

>>39667062
>favorite book
>Alas Shrugged
How's 10th grade?

>>39680244

considering that I'm about to graduate without any debt and made a rich 30+ year old man butthurt by telling him his book is gay, I guess it was worth it

>>39677871
>real libertarianism has never been tried

literally teenage marxist tier

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Sun and Steel by Yukio Mishima is among my favs with In Stahl Gewittern by Ernst Jünger and The Book of Kane by Karl Edward Wagner.

>>39667223

I'm glad someone has decent taste. Rand-shit is meme tier lit.

>>39678675
>There were times while reading it that I would read a passage, and I would have to put it down and stare out my window for an hour trying to expand my mind enough to be able to comprehend what Wolfe wrote. I still don't think I understood it all.

Dude! Me too! I actually thought the writing was quite beautiful. The turns of phrase and the poetry of it all. So I'd read a passage and lets it wash over me.

>It is (along with Urth of the New Sun) at the bare essence, a retelling of the story of Creation, but written in such a way that will make you believe. Not in any particular god or religion, but just to believe.

[SPOILER ALERT]

Yeah I didn't realize until Urth that it is basically a retelling of the Bible.

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Haven't read any of the other ones but if there anything like this I've got to pick them up.