hmmm... it's almost like being vegan is the healthier

>>39643187
You see Ivan, if you want to fight the cancer, you must become cancer.

It's almost like anything is healthier than the standard American diet.

Sage.

>>39643187
Pretty much anything is healthier than SAD. That's not a revelation.

>>39643187
>BAIT from the dumpster out behind the 99-Cent Store

>>39643187
>something is healthier than the SAD
I'm mind = blown

>compare vegans to the mass population
oh wow people who pay attention to nutrition are healthier than an average american

Still haven't seen any studies in favor of veganism where both groups knew their shit about nutrition and eating. But I guess it's easier to just compare vegans to the average Joe to hook couple of retards to buy your natural organic squirel diarrhea tea

>>39643187
>Gains Goblin reporting in

>>39643187
So vegans can't get cancer?

>>39643374
this

> We compared Joe Hipster, the low test vegan cuck from Brooklyn with some flyover fatass who eats mcdonald's twice a day
> You'll never believe who's healthier!!!

>>39643374
I think there's a study that analyzed a population that had very high life expectancy as a whole, that found that among those, vegans were the healthiest of them all. By how much I don't know.

But yeah, I don't really think that going vegan just to be like 2% healthier or live a few years longer is worth it.

And it's not like I'm advocating a diet of 2 pounds ground beef every day and 10 eggs and a gallon of milk. If you eat normal portion sizes of meat and dairy, and get your fruits and veggies, and exercise a good amount, I don't really see any advantage to going vegan and being autistic about everything you eat.

>>39643397
basically
it's kind of hard to see these meatheads defend an inhumane diet that's literally giving them colon cancer

imagine being so far up your own ass that you'd literally give yourself cancer just so you don't have to say you were wrong

>>39643397
>So vegans can't get cancer?
LOL every actual vegan I know has weird chronic health problems. Don't fall for the bait, son.

>>39643448
>imagine being so far up your own ass
>says a vegan who's up his own ass

>>39643187
>hmmm... it's almost like being vegan is the healthier lifestyle
hmmm...really makes you think
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html

At least I'm not so much of a pussy that I think killing animals is inhumane. Stay low test, fag.

>>39643187
>more bullshit studies

No reason not to have the occasional chicken/pig meat desu. I mean as long as you're getting enough protein from whey and micronutrient from multi vitamins there's really no reason to indulge in meat other than the test boast the occasional piece will get you.

>>39643187
Can I just kill vegans and drink their blood then?

>>39643187
>chemotherapy
>healthy lifestyle

>>39643187
>More effective than the standard American diet
With 60%+ of adults being obese I think its safe to say eating dirt is safer than the American diet

If i use vegan blood as a supplement would i gain more resistance to cancer?

>>39643206
10/10

>>39643187
The only sane thing to do is to slaughter the vegans, and use their blood for chemotherapy.

>>39643187
>A bias study has found that
In other news; far right political papers find evidence left is full of shit and far left political papers find right is full of shit

Tune in next week when this pharmaceutical company studies prove its new drug cures everything!

>>39643187
>8 times more effective in killing cancer cells*
>*In comparison to the normal diet of Americans which is filled with cancer causing materials

Wow, really. Who would have guessed that.

Come back when its comparing vegans to people on healthy diets that include meat, shock and awe vegans dont promote those studies because they prove meat consumption is good for you.

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>>39643187
TIME TO DRINK THE BLOOD OF VEGANS

>>39645132
if you tried to climb everest you'd drop like a fly too
that mountain kills 10 - 20 people a year, any many of them are experienced climbers

>>39645208
It's more like that victim tried to prove a point

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I've been vegan for 8 months now and I'm thriving, lifts are increasing, I'm feeling great both physically and mentally.

>hurrdurrrrrrrrrrr muh protein muh bacon, it's manly to eat meeeaaat hurrrrr
Iktf brehs, I was just like this. turns out that I can function just as good (if not better) on a plant based diet without destroying the planet, my health and torturing animals.

veganism will be the only viable option in the future, if you like it or not.

>>39645291
>>39645302
why is it usually cows that represent meat eating? I mean, I mostly eat chicken 'cause it's cheap as fuck compared to beef. And I think most people eat more chicken than beef.

>>39643187

Who cares. Eat fresh food, eat an ominvorous diet.

Any person with too much -ism in their heads is crazy.

>>39645344
Because cow (red) meat is most harmful to your health and by far most harmful to the environment

>>39645291

>without destroying the planet, my health and torturing animals

This is why people hate vegetarians, you're so far up your own ass about your diet. Eat your faggy plants, feel good and shut the fuck up about it.

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>>39645406
but that's the truth, hun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLNijMgVK1U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEYa_dd9zUk&t=260s

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>>39645291
so before you subsided on a diet of instant noodles, GOMAD, and mcdoubles, and now that you're getting a bevy of vitamins and minerals, you feel better

MUST'VE BEEN THE MEAT

>>39645465
stop projecting you faggot
some of us eat clean, meat or no meat

>>39643374

And yet every anti-vegan shitposter tries to argue that being vegan is the worst thing you could do for your health

>Still haven't seen any studies in favor of veganism where both groups knew their shit about nutrition and eating.

In the longest-living population in the US (and possibly the world), vegetarians > meat eaters and vegans > vegetarians

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/

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>>39643206
fpbp

>>39645480
where am I saying not to eat clean? if you do you'll feel better, regardless of whether it's vegan or not

people who go vegan tend to clean up their diet substantially, feel much better, and attribute it to the lack of meat instead of a nutritionally rich diet

>>39643206
fpbp

>>39643206
fibby pibby

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>>39643187

Just gonna leave this here

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/do-flexitarians-live-longer/

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>>39645541

>>39645291
i hate that bitch, I wish 4chan would troll her

>>39643187
How about you don't compare a reasonable healthy diet to the american standard diet. How about we compare clean food vegan and not vegan.

>>39643206
That's pretty poetic and perfectly accurate

>>39645580
Why, because she said a thing on twitter about climate change? If she's an 'internet person' then I'm not familiar.

Also, not your personal army.

>>39643187
and yet every vegan with cancer die because they don't have any strength to support the therapy needed

>>39645208
The rest of her party survived, she was the only one who died because she refused to eat the food they tried to give her when she was failing

>>39645291
Thank you for correcting the record

>>39645241

>what a dumb bitch, trying to spread a message of peace and kindness
>that's what you get, dumb BITCH

>>39645725

Experienced climber and meat eater Eric Arnold died on the same expedition

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/22/climber-profiled-by-washington-post-dies-on-mount-everest/?utm_term=.33ff8fafb090

>see what happens when you eat meat?! you die of altitude poisoning!

>>39643187
Is this a 0 * 8 = 0 joke?
Do blood kill cancer?

>>39645882

All blood has some defense against cancer cells. The S.A.D. blood they tested slowed cancer cell growth by 9% over control, while the blood of people put on a vegan diet for a year slowed cancer growth 70%.

>>39645427
I literally feel nothing watching stuff like this. Sure I am morally inclined to be against this kind of massive animal killing industry, but I see nothing wrong in the practice of killing animals to eat them. We have animal rights in my country which prevent them from being treated this way though, and I mostly buy local produce. I fish a lot myself too

scenario:
a lioness catches a gazelle, snaps it's neck with it's jaws, and drags it back to it's family where they eat it.
why is that okay because it's just animal instinct? but when a human gets a cow, kills it, and takes the meat to their family and eat it, it's evil and wrong?

>>39646125

Why is it okay when a male lion kills the children of another male lion and mates with its female, but if I do that to another human I'm some kind of asshole?

>>39646145
ah, but you see most humans think male lions killing cubs is wrong too. but only vegans think lions killing gazelle is natural while humans eating meat is not.

>>39646145
Well it is technically a bit strange that some human males help raise other mens children instead of their own, no?

Most mammals compete for breeding rights, humans especially but humans also show cuck signs so im not sure which is which

Then again murder is illegal and if youre 20+ and looking for a girl and disregard girls with kids then there are maybe 1 for every 1000 men so perhaps that contributes

>>39646172

>ah, but you see most humans think male lions killing cubs is wrong too

You mean specifically you, specifically in this conversation?

>live your life based off studies

yeah nah

You know what else is unhealthy? smoking, alcohol, sitting around playing video games

why don't these vegan retards who go around pushing MUH HEALTH ever mention those things? after all they're concerned about everyone's health, right?

YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO CHOOSE THE HEALTHIEST OPTION, BASED OFF THESE STUDIES, WHEN IT COMES SPECIFICALLY TO DIET

BUT IT'S STILL OKAY TO BE UNHEALTHY IN ALL OTHER ASPECTS OF HEALTH I DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE

>>39646177

>uh oh, this information scares me. what do I do?
>I got it-- logical fallacies!

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>>39643437
Nothing wrong with being vegan mate the meat industry is a massive polluter good on them for actually doing something

>>39646177
>sitting around playing video games
Nice bait

>>39643206
fibbitybibbitybobbityboo

>more healthier than the average American diet

what does this mean? like people who eat fast food regularly and shit?

>>39646236

it means healthier than you

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>>39645491
>every anti-vegan shitposter tries to argue that being vegan is the worst thing you could do for your health
Because in comparison with a proper and varied diet, it is
There's a reason why every vegan lifter does roids and relies on dozens of supplements every day to get his nutrients

>>39646269

>Because in comparison with a proper and varied diet, it is

What's a proper and varied diet then and where's the evidence that a vegan diet is "the worst thing you could do for your health" compared to it?

>There's a reason why every vegan lifter does roids and relies on dozens of supplements every day to get his nutrients

You mean every lifter in general. Rich Piana doesn't start every video talking about his steroid cycle and the 20 pre, post, and intra-workout supplements he takes because he's a dedicated vegan.

>>39645291
>implying we are anywhere close to destroying the planet
Just like you can't lose all the pounds you put on over the years instantly, you can't destroy the planet instantly
Destroying the planet would take an insane amount of effort and will most likely not be achieved in the lifetime of mankind
We're talking of energy levels off the charts here

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>>39646309
>What's a proper and varied diet then
Vegetables, meats and grains, ya dingo

>where's the evidence that a vegan diet is "the worst thing you could do for your health" compared to it
Vegan "Green Goblin" Gains
Literally infertile
Has to inject sterons to make any progress
Looks like a fucking underdeveloped goblin

>You mean every lifter in general
No, the only people who do roids are insecure as fuck (as in the case of ricardo piano with his body dysmorphia) or just lazy as fuck and want the easy way out
You can get big without steroids if you follow a good diet, lift heavy shit and have good genetics, all three of which you already failed, considering you're this much of a retard

>>39646354

>Vegetables, meats and grains, ya dingo

Thanks for being specific

>vegan is bad because vegan gainz = green peanut meme

Honestly, why even enter the discussion? Just lurk

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>>39643374
>squirrel diarrhea
>vegan

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>>39646376
>Thanks for being specific

Whaddaya want me to list all the specific arrangements and spins of the subatomic particles in your food, you fucking mong?
The point is, you won't get all the essential nutrients from vegetables and nothing will change that.
Not only that you will eventually alienate your body from any other food, so once you realize what a stupid fucking decision you've made and you try to go back, your body will start rejecting other food.
On another note there isn't a single piece of credible research that proves being vegan makes anything better, not your health, not the environment, nothing.
So instead of following some special snowflake fad and being a little jerkoff faggot who jerks off with his other vegan pals, research on how your body works and make it fucking work, you brainlet faggot.

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Puts the thinking cap right on

>>39646427

"Vegetables, meats and grains" can be practically any non-vegetarian/vegan diet. It just sounds like you're pulling things out of your ass.

>yeah, vegan diets suck
>a good diet is like... it like has meat and stuff... and vegetables...

I do agree with you though that a good diet isn't 100% vegetables. A vegan diet isn't 100% vegetables. It's based on vegetables, fruits, beans, whole grains, and nuts, the same as any recognized "healthy diet" but without the added burden of saturated fat and cholesterol from meat, and with more fiber and health-promoting plant compounds.

Now I'll let this thread devolve into more denial and uneducated people trying to talk about things they've never bothered to research despite having unreasonably strong opinions.

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>>39643206
Hooolllly shit

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>>39646478
>saturated fat and cholesterol from meat
>M-MUH SATERATED FATS AND CHOLESTAROL :((
Literally doesn't matter unless you're some fat pepsi-chugging fuck weighing in at 400lbs
The human biology needs fat, it's where you store energy, it's why you don't see anyone with 0% bf and people with 8% bf or below have way less energy and rely much more on external stimuli
Not only that, with various cooking methods you can eliminate most of the fat, if you're that much of a faggot

>with more fiber and health-promoting plant compounds
Which can be incorporated into literally any diet, you fucking mongoloid

>uneducated people trying to talk about things they've never bothered to research
Like what you're doing right now, you fucking imbecile?
Why don't you retake primary school biology before you start talking out of your ass.

>>39645302
>how to become vegan in 4.5 hours
>watch 4.5 hours of vegan propaganda

Wew

>>39646457
Fantastic sample size

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>>39643206
First post best post.

>>39645330
>vegan sidekick

>>39645554
>nutritionfacts.org aka vegan shill dot net

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>>39643206

>>39646457
Wait, so they both eat the exact same food but somehow a larger portion translates into muh mcburgers? Motherfuckers like you are keeping anyone but morons from converting

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>>39643206

>>39646595
Yeah that picture makes no sense what so ever. But then again vegans don't have enough omega 3 fatty acids which are important for brain function so...

>>39643187

Or they compared people who care about what they eat to everyone else getting the conclusion they knew they would get.

Vegan is not healthier then a truly balanced diet.

Vegans are so easy to hate.

>>39646478
>but without the added burden of saturated fat and cholesterol from meat
>https://www.anabolicmen.com/fats-and-testosterone/

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>>39643206
ROASTED
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>>39643187
Link to said study?

>>39643206
Rigity Rickety Rekt!

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>>39643437
>vegans were the healthiest of them all. By how much I don't know.

Link to this study, I'm curious.

>>39646457
That has nothing to do with anything.
It's actually about calorie restriction more then veganism.

And everyone, litterally everyone knows that calorie restriction is amazing for longevity and disease fighting.

What those calories consist of has not been tested either.

That picture is misleading at best and an outright lie with the truth at worst.

>>39643187
shoo shoo

>>39643206
Wew lad that's some next level shit right there

>>39643484
>projecting this hard

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>health is absolutely horrendous in a variety of different ways and generally look like shit
>B-BUT AT LEAST MUH BLOOD FIGHTS CANCER BETTER THAN AN OBESE AMERICAN EATING MCDONALDS AND TV DINNERS EVERYDAY!!!

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>>39643206
FPBP

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I need to post this more often

>>39647131
What the hell am I watching

>>39647143
An average vegan enjoying a delicious meal

>>39643206
First post
Best post

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>>39643206
Wow 10/10

>>39643206
Destruction.

>>39645491
>vegetarians > meat eaters and vegans > vegetarians
>vegetarians both best and worst
wut

how do you find a vegan on the fitness section of an anonymous anime image board

>>39643206
>>39643206
pirst fost
pest bost

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>>39646457
Eating meat allowed humans to consume more calories and support larger brains. Our digestive system is vastly different than other apes.

real question here:
How do people who eat primarily fruit and veg do it?
I struggle, I know it sounds shitty but it's true, I have trouble making sure I eat even close to slightly healthy

any tips anons to help me turn my life around?

>>39643374

It's not even comparing vegans to average americans. This is a mice study. They're comparing mice in a kind of calorie restriction to mice fed a high fat diet. Even under a normal diet, ad libitum, mice get overweight, those fed a high fat diet become morbidly obese. It's no wonder their blood would be bad for transfusion into mice with tumors, it's totally loaded with growth factors.

Can someone explain to me what the difference is between being a homosexual and vegan?

Can you be born as one without the other?

>>39643206
Nice.

I've never seen or heard of a 100 year old vegan.

Every super old person you hear of has some awful habit. Drinks whisky, smokes, eats eggs for breakfast every day.

The only vegetarian I can think of that made it to 100 was a legit bad ass. He was bending coins with his fingers in his late 90's

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/van-brings-down-worlds-strongest-man-1866135.html. .

>>39643206

Das it mane

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>>39643206
Include me in le ebin screencap

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>>39643187
Why don't we just eat the vegans?

>>39646457

Bro, so we did this test where we fed two monkeys different amounts of food. We should definitely make sweeping generalizations about this could affect all humans in a very broad sense.

I'm a fucking SCIENTIST!!

>>39645491
>Since this review is limited to the Adventist cohorts, the findings may not be fully generalizable to other vegetarians with different lifestyles


And to the trash it goes.

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>>39647007
cringe /pol/ pic

>>39643206
/thread

>>39643187
>sad diet

There's the problem

>>39645491
Less likely to smoke and drink too. That skews the study.

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>>39643206
>>39643206

>>39648954

They all are. That's why it's a good population to do a study on.

>>39648062

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/05/04/100-year-old-vegan-heart-surgeon-retired-at-95-heres-why-hes-been-a-vegan-for-50-years/

>>39646748

See yesterday's thread >>39637670

>>39645344
chicken only very recently overtook beef as the most consumed meat in the US

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>>39648413
Why don't we take the vegans and PUSH THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE

>>39643374
>
please explain to me how eating animal products that are high in saturated fat and cholesterol and have almost no anti-oxidants, cause inflammation in vivo are more benifiticial to whole plant foods that literally are the exact opposite, reduce inflimation, full of antioxidants, no cholesterol, low to no saturated (with very few exception)

>>39649513

BECAUSE BACON TASTES GOOD! FUCK YOU! LALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

>>39643397
maybe if you didn't have plaque build up in your fucking brain you would be able to realize that anyone can get cancer, but eating a vegan diet will reduce your risk

>>39643549
>blogspot.com

LOL is that your fucking source?

>>39643463
sick research bro

>>39643769
yes, it would probably reduce your cholesterol and so your chance of heart disease

>>39645291
>>39645406
This, your movement would be so SO much more popular if you didn't have to preach it like some Mormon on cocaine.

>>39650019

>so guys, how are we going to get other people to go vegan?
>I got it, let's never talk about veganism and make sure people feel completely comfortable about killing and eating animals

I nominate you for president of the vegans

>>39650035
>the only extremes are portraying meat-eaters as Nazis or not talking about veganism at all
i rest my case

>>39643187

now test it against blood from people with a healthy diet

>>39646224
I didn't say there's anything "wrong", but it's not superior to a healthy balanced diet that includes animal products.

And yes, "industry" meat is shit. If I lived in a large city where all I could get was factory farmed stuff, I'd consider going vegan. But I don't. I get meat from my uncle's farm, eggs from my own chickens, sometimes meat from local butchers etc.

>>39650043

>make any criticism at all
>WOOOOOW, YOU'RE ASSAULTING ME, THIS IS LITERALLY ASSAULT

>talk about veganism at all
>"propaganda, propaganda, forcing your opinion on me"

>>39650060
whatever friend, but there ARE ways to talk to omnivores without demonizing them.

For instance, the the planet's food supply would be far more sustainable if it's population consumed only plants, as well as people would be generally healthier if their diet came from mostly plant-based sources.

What's NOT going to win you any converts is telling people they are morally inferior to you for eating meat, those who agree are already vegan and those who don't won't be swayed by that argument.

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>>39650056

> it's not superior to a healthy balanced diet that includes animal products.

Why do you say that? Any healthy diet is based mainly around vegan foods. That's whole grains, vegetables, beans, fruits, and nuts. Those are the foods that make a healthy diet healthy. Now what happens when you add chicken, beef, eggs, cheese, etc? Aside from displaying those healthy foods, you're adding unnecessary, unhealthful things like saturated fats, cholesterol, and even carcinogens in some meats, which may raise your cholesterol, raise your blood pressure, increase levels of inflammation, and make cancers more likely to form. Wouldn't you agree that the core diet is better?

It's like saying a soda-free diet isn't superior to "a healthy balanced diet that includes soda." The diet can include many healthy foods, and can overall be relatively healthy, but that doesn't mean the soda wouldn't be undermining the rest of the diet.

>>39643187
>"by Admin"
sure looks like a reputable media source, and not some shithead's wordpress.

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>>39643206
Fuckin A

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>>39650089

>there ARE ways to talk to omnivores without demonizing them.

Of course, they just don't work. Conversation tends to go like this

>Hey, have you heard about vegan diets? :)
>Yeah, it's not for me, hehe :)
>Okay! Not trying to preach! You're awesome! :)
>Hehe, thanks :) <3

>>For instance, the the planet's food supply would be far more sustainable if it's population consumed only plants

Which is immediately taken as a threat to the recipient's way of life and responded to with either

>shut the FUCK UP VEGANS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GRASS FED LOCAL COWS WILL SAVE EVERYTHING I READ ABOUT IT SOMEWHERE

or

>global warming is a myth perpetuated by liberal vegan cucks trying to feminize the white race so the niggers can seize power, you need to read chaos-and-pain and swallow these red pills I bought online

I've been in a million of these conversations

>>39650103

>displaying
*displacing

>>39650129
So by your own admission, its a futile effort trying to convert people. Those who see wrong in the way meat is produced and eaten will naturally gravitate toward veganism, while those who don't will remain omnivores. Am I wrong?

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> comparing to the standard american diet

no shit.. of course a vegan diet will be better at preventing cancer than a diet of fast food, sugar, and artificial ingredients. try comparing a vegan diet to a diet consisting of pic related..

>>39650129
Nice strawman friendo

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>>39643187
>veganism is healthier
Okay, that must have a good basi-
>than the Standard American Diet
Lul. So what about the Standard European Diet?

>>39649513
>>39649515
Because dietary cholesterol has no impact on serum cholesterol, saturated fats are needed to produce steroids and inflammation is not only a bad thing, but also a sign of anabolism.

If you want to increase you anabolic age, you eat anabolic untill your katabolic age starts. THEN you limit inflamation.

>>39649522
>>blogspot.com
>LOL is that your fucking source?
Citations:
"Why meat-eating humans outlive apes." Futurity. The article posts preliminary findings scheduled for publication in a special PNAScollection on “Evolution in Health and Medicine” on Jan. 26. http://www.futurity.org/science-technology/why-meat-eating-humans-outlive-apes/
"Stone Tool and Bone Find Earliest Ever Excavated." Science Daily. Nov. 5, 2003. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031105065322.htm
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Bluejay, Michael. "Humans are natural plant-eaters, according to our best evidence." June 2002. http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html
Sutherlan, William. "Plants/climate may be the key to Neanderthal Extinction." http://ezinearticles.com/?Plants/Climate-May-Be-Key-to-Neanderthal-Extinction&id=4279873
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Costandi, Moheb. "Diet and brain evolution: another item on the menu." http://scitizen.com/evolution/diet-brain-evolution-another-item-on-the-menu_a-27-1088.html
Ungar, Peter. Evolution of the Human Diet. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2007.
Cordain, Loren. Paleo Diet. New York: Wiley, 2002.

Sources:
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>>39650135

>So by your own admission, its a futile effort trying to convert people

Without kicking people in the balls when you need to, yes. If you make people feel okay about doing something that they shouldn't be doing because you're afraid of offending them, you're never going to help anything. Lots of people, including myself, started out thinking vegans were hippie faggots eating exclusively tofu and steamed carrots and struggling to hit 10 grams of protein a day. People like that need to be kicked in the balls about things, not talked to delicately. It's better to get into a heated argument and have them pissed off at you but reading your posts anyway, than to just ignore what you're saying because you're not engaging them at all, or not even seeing the message because you were afraid someone would get upset that you told them stabbing cows in the neck isn't a nice thing to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkOSwH2tyZQ

>>39650153

I wish that was just a strawman. Those are actually some of the best case scenarios. It's a really dumb rabbit hole.

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>>39650129
>probably almost crying yourself to sleep because barely anyone wants to join your vegan cult

>>39650183

>Because dietary cholesterol has no impact on serum cholesterol,

Not at all true

http://www.ibcmt.com/2009-03-16-EffectsOfDietaryCholesterolOnSerumCholesterol-PaulHopkins.pdf
https://www.nap.edu/read/10490/chapter/11

> saturated fats are needed to produce steroids

Half-true. Your body requires saturated fats as structural components, but your body makes those saturated fats on-site. Eating pre-formed saturated fats isn't necessary and increases your risk of heart disease.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10490&page=422

>and inflammation is not only a bad thing, but also a sign of anabolism

I gotta develop sepsis so I can get swole as fuck

>>39650193
Fair enough i suppose. I still strongly disagree that you can convert someone on a moral basis, but I can see where you're coming from about how you argue your other points.

Also, ffs get a video of someone who isn't a cartoon.
@1:06 "I would rather my brother tell me he shoots heroin than that he's a vegan"
lolwut

>>39650129

if you can't workout why the statement

> but if we changed all food infrastructure in the entire world to plant based we'd be able to feed ourselves without meat!

is retarded as fuck then there's no point engaging with you.

like you said

i've heard millions of you literal dumcunts make this point

yet none of you can do the simple calculations as to why that probably will never happen.

There is nothing wrong with dominating a species to eat it.

Make your case for why it matters or not if the animals are abused in stock yards.

Where do morals and ethics even come from? Some greater good bullshit? Well I think eating food is the greater good for the most amount of people.

*sunglasses.jpg*

>>39650103
I'm not "adding unnessecary things" to my diet. My diet already includes meat.

To go vegan I would have to remove things from my diet and/or replace them with other things.

The point is that I don't see the necessity to change my relatively healthy diet, I like meat. As long as I can afford meat and can get meat from local organic sources, I will continue to eat meat. I also exercise regularly and don't consume much of other "unhealthy" foods, e.g. high sugar foods.

Also humans have eaten meat for tens of thousands of years. Don't try to tell me we've not evolved to digest meat.

>>39650215
>I gotta develop sepsis so I can get swole as fuck
Seriously?

So you're saying prostaglandins play no role in muscle fiber repair?

>>39650264

of course you can digest meat. being able to digest a food has nothing to do with whether or not the food is good for your long-term health.

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-problem-with-the-paleo-diet-argument/

I don't understand people that shittalk veganism without trying it or reading any studies.

You can't argue that a vegan dies ist superior to any other.

But I guess your average parets and media told you something else. Retards.

>>39650342
OK, simple question - how many vegans have lived to be in good health in their 90s?

>>39650385

let me check the big book of vegans

>>39650371
>don't understand people that shittalk veganism without trying it or reading any studies.

>You can't argue that a vegan dies ist superior to any other.


Did you think your sentences through before you posted this?

>>39650371
>vegan dies ist
>parets
Daily reminder that the brain requires fats to function and it appears our hippie friend isn't getting his daily dose. Sad!

>>39650406
Fun fact: vegans supplemented with creatine increase their IQs.

This does not happen in regular people OR vegetarians.
The logical conclusion is that vegans are dumb fucks.

>>39643187

Man, I hate popular 'science' articles. To state that 'vegan blood' is more effective at killing cancer cells (whatever the fuck that may mean), is a gross misrepresentation of the results as the researchers did not set out to investigate the difference between comparable vegan and non-vegan diets. Bullshit articles like that are one of the reasons why people with terrible albeit vegan lifestyles still pretend to be living a health conscious life, and it makes me somewhat angry.

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>>39650422

>The logical conclusion is that vegans are dumb fucks.

didn't even read the study you're talking about

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/David_Benton/publication/49646067_The_influence_of_creatine_supplementation_on_the_cognitive_functioning_of_vegetarians_and_omnivores/links/0deec52aec0be6ea59000000.pdf

>Preliminary analysis found that those who were vegetarian as opposed to meat-eaters, and those who subsequently consumed the placebo as opposed to creatine supplement, did not differ on the baseline performance of any test
>After consuming the tablets for 4 d, the memory of vegetarians and meat-eaters was similar if they consumed the placebo (F(1, 118) 0·01; NS). However, after 4 d of consuming the creatine supplement, memory was better in vegetarians rather than in those who consumed meat (F(1, 118) 5·06; P,0·03). However, in those who were meat-eaters, the consumption of the creatine supplement was associated with poorer memory compared with baseline values

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>>39650426
This is an actual meme amongst scientists.

If you say your reasearch proves shit, but there's a tendency for A to be associated with B, there'll be an article saying that cult-fad-diet that has A in it is superior to anything and everything.

>>39650457
Not the study I meant.

'Oral creatine monohydrate supplementation
improves brain performance: a double-blind,
placebo-controlled, cross-over trial' C. Rae et al., Proc. R. Soc. Lond. B (2003)

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explain

>>39650471
How is this a cycle?

>>39650492
Actually, it's a fucking shame /fit/ doesn't have the /tg/ option of including .pdf files, because my folder for creatine supplementation effects on the neural system has like 8 studies in it, most of them review articles.

Creatine is not vegan. Both creatine nad L-Carnitine are animal-only compounds, both have a major role in healthy longevity.

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>>39650499
Vegans are cancer.
Supplement creatine you dense fuck
>>39650506
Why the fuck would you think it's a cycle? There's no arrow pointing from grandma in tin foil to the beginning.
It's a fucking spiral. Of despair.

>>39650492

that study doesn't fit your post either

>>39650508

>Both creatine nad L-Carnitine are animal-only compounds

that's why it's good to be an animal :^)

the creatine supplement you take is almost definitely artificially synthesized and vegan

>>39650534
Creatine is manufactured from sarcosine in a reactor.

All commercially avaliable sources of sarcosine are from animal products.

>>39650552

>In the laboratory, it may be synthesized from chloroacetic acid and methylamine.
>Sarcosine is ubiquitous in biological materials and is present in such foods as egg yolks, turkey, ham, vegetables, legumes, etc.

commercial available creatine is a vegan product

But normal people's blood already effectively kill cancer cells, whats the point in it being 8 times stronger ?

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>>39646038
I only agree that the farming methods should be made more "humane", since our technology advanced so much. But other than that, I see nothing wrong in killing them for meat. When we eat plants, we have to kill them too. It is the circle of life, death and rebirth.
I don't even eat meat other than fish. Only rarely I eat other meats, when I feel like it, but that's once a month. I'm basically lacto-ovo pescetarian.

>>39646177
Well you really shouldn't do those things.

Adhere to a vegan diet.
Don't sit for hours without a break.
Don't smoke.
Don't drink alcohol.

>>39650519
>Why the fuck would you think it's a cycle?
"The science news cycle"

>>39650983

Yeah but plants aren't sentient you moronic fuck

>>39651584
Yep, but cows, chickens and pigs have nowhere near the intelligence and sentience of a human being. I don't see anything wrong in slaughtering them for food.
I only want good for humans and animals that can be considered friends, like dogs or dolphins.

>>39651584
>can feel fear
>can feel pain
>have ability to remember fear and pain and communicate it between individuals
Where do you draw the line at sentient? Just because plants communicate different from you doesn't mean they don't count.

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>>39643187
>One (1, a single) study shows a -->correlation<-- between a vegan diet and an effective immune system, comparing the average American (who has a notoriously bad diet) to a group who is very active in making sure their diet is good
>'LOOK GUYS VEGANS KILL CANCER'
I
FUCKING
HATE
>"JOURNALISTS"
WHO
DON'T
UNDERSTAND
RESEARCH
I thought pretty much everyone's education requires them to read scientific articles at some point. Or even do research themselves.

>>39650534 #
>the creatine supplement you take is almost definitely artificially synthesized and vegan
>What is not supplementing by eating meat

>>39651661
Having a brain and therefore a subjective reality. Plants are intelligent and can process information, but they do not have a subjective reality like an animal.

>>39643187
Multiple studies have found that keto+fasting kills cancer too. Come at me.

>>39651601
This is cognitive dissonance at its best. Have you ever seen a pig run away from the butcher knowing full well its about to be killed? They know and they feel. I eat meat but to assume that these animals sit around and wait to be slaughtered is ignorant.

>>39652031
Yeah, plants and fungi both have evolved defenses just to not be killed.
Obviously, lower animals have such defenses too. That doesn't change a thing.

>>39650342
Paleo is exactly the opposite of my point though.
Paleo is saying "let's ignore the last millenia and go back to the OG human diet".
Which is another argument used by vegans. "Humans only started eating meat with the use of weapons/tools for hunting, therefore a plant based diet is more natural"

My point is that people have been eating meat since forever, and many have lived to old age.
>inb4 30 year life expectancy
That's literally just because of child mortality which was mainly due to lack of hygiene and medical care.
There are good arguments for veganism, i.e. opposition to factory farming, love for animals, sustainability, cost, etc. But >muh health is not a good argument beyond the S.A.D.

>>39651939
prove it

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>>39643206

Posting in bait thread, but

>Prerequisites to prove without a shadow of a doubt that veganism is the healthiest way to live
Prove that for every individual non-vegan food,
taken in any quantity,
it is objectively always inferior to include it over the pure veganism alternative.

If you can't prove this, stop shilling veganism.

Does the objectively healthiest diet for longevity in the general population lean more towards veganism than a diet saturated in fast food or a protein and fats heavy diet? Perhaps so, but sensible people can mix and match without going vegan and probably live healthier than strict vegans would because of the health benefits provided by the added variety in their diets.

>>39651939
You just admitted plants are sentient you dipshit. There's no evidence that any creature but humans can exhibit "subjectivity". You're confusing sapient and sentience. Sentience is a hilariously low bar to hurdle, with even protozoa and other microscopic organisms exhibiting it. Sapience is a much more specific and hard to meet standard, and only humans meet it.

This whole "hur u can't kill sentient beings" tripe does nothing but show how little vegans understand their own philisophocal arguments.

>>39653493
I agree. "Morality" is so extremely subjective we can't even include it in the discussion. The only argument vegans can go with is health, but then, are there any studies that compare a vegan diet to someone eating a balanced diet? Remember that, if there were no B12 supplements, vegans could not live.

>>39654340

>unable to justify immoral actions
>"uhh.... uhh... morality is subjective anyway... nothing is right or wrong, all is but a dream...."

>The only argument vegans can go with is health, but then, are there any studies that compare a vegan diet to someone eating a balanced diet?

adventist cohorts that look at america's blue zone population >>39645491

>>39654599
I think vegans are immoral because their philosophy is inherently hypocritical. Funny how morals work isn't it, you dumb ass, intellectually stunted shitposter

>>39654762

>tries to turn it around and claim the people trying not to torture and kill animals are the immoral ones

the level you sink to to convince yourself you're not an asshole

>>39645491
>>39648748
>>39654599
Note the following:
>Nutrients | An Open Access Human Nutrition Journal
>Open Access Journal

And here, a citation from Wikipedia regarding the publisher of Nutrients:

>When publishers like MDPI disseminate research by science activists like Stephanie Seneff and her co-authors, I think it’s fair to question the credibility of all the research that MDPI publishes. Will MDPI publish anything for money?

>>39654909

on the person that wikipedia quote is attributed to

>Joseph Esposito wrote in the Scholarly Kitchen that he has been following some of Beall's work with "growing unease"[25] and that his "broader critique (really an assault) of Gold OA and those who advocate it ... crosses the line." Beall has also been criticized for portraying many different types of publishers as suspect because of his dislike of the process of publishers charging authors.
>Wayne Bivens-Tatum, librarian at Princeton University, published a rebuttal in tripleC, regarding Beall's criticisms of open access publishing. He stated that Beall's "rhetoric provides good examples of what Albert O. Hirschman called the 'rhetoric of reaction'", and concluded Beall's "argument fails because the sweeping generalizations with no supporting evidence render it unsound."

>>39654847
Jesus christ, how dumb do you have to be to think that your morality is the only litmus by which to determine people's goodness? This doesn't convince anybody, it just reaffirms what a psycho cult veganism is.

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>collective evolution
>in charge of doing real science

>>39645302
watched all of them
still not vegan

>>39652031

How is that relevant? The feelings of farm animals do not have value.

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I'm going to eat vegan for a month (or more) and see how I feel, currently on day five. I enjoy giving different eating styles a go. Naturally the main difference is a much lower fat intake and a higher carb intake. I'm avoiding nuts and cooking oil too, otherwise there'd be hardly any macro difference. In saying that, it appears that vegans claim the main health detriment is animal fat.

I'm feeling good so far, which is why I'm doing this. The ethical side of things isn't a consideration for me to be honest. I'll get a better perspective after a couple of full workout weeks. Currently I'm reading some of John McDougall's works and following his recommendations. What do vegans ITT think of him? I don't really know who the authoritative figures are in this community.

>>39643206
Include me in the r/4chan screencap

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>>39643187
Hmmmm..... it's almost like vegans can't stop telling everyone that they're vegans.

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>>39646521
>The human biology needs fat
>The human biology

I agree with you mate, but your way of wording made me lol

>>39646038
there is nothing wrong with killing an animal whether it be by bullet, knife, electrocution or any other method.

you think a lion cares when hes eating a buffalo if its suffering?

Vegans just have more micronutrients in their blood from eating a diverse range of vegetables.

If a regular person ate the same variety of vegetables with smaller portions while eating meat their health would be the same if not better from the micronutrients in meat.

>>39651675
you just dont understand journalists they write shit to have people read the article.

what normie would click something with a boring title when they could rope thousands more with a title like "study shows vegans cant get cancer:DDD"

>>39643187
I'd rather get cancer than stop eating meat

>>39654847
>tell us what you know, where are the other barnyard creatures
>dont make us me the cattle prod Bessy

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>>39643206
plz put me in screencap

So we should kill vegans.
harness their blood as a super serum.
and then fight off the cancer patients?

Well these seems beneficial to two kinds of groups!

>vegans have less testosterone
>vegan bodybuilders are known to have to down large amounts of supplements to keep themselves alive

top kek

>>39650508

>L-Carnitine
>healthy

In case you're not kidding here you go:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23563705

>>39646900

Such studies exist friendo. the TOR and AMPK pathways exist in humans too

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2815731/

>>39657119
I am sure you will be regretting that when you have the life slowly sucked out of you and realize all of the things you still want to do in your life.

>>39656897
>
I am glad to be living on this earth with people with the same ethics of a fucking lion

>>39656920
This is just not the case, plants reduce cancer risk, meat increases it

>>39656451
everything is subjective right? your feelings don't matter either so you would mind getting chased down and murdered by someone right?

>>39653229
how are foods that have been proven to cause damage to the body be healthier, are you honestly this fucking retarded?

>>39658092
>how are foods that have been proven to cause damage to the body be healthier, are you honestly this fucking retarded?
I seriously suggest reconsidering calling someone else retarded when you just said what you just said.
>https://www.anabolicmen.com/fats-and-testosterone/
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291

>>39658075
No it doesnt. You're basing your lies off of a few sensationalized, terrible studies that used any and every unethical means to get the results the studies wanted, and still only managed to get very weak correlative relstionships. Like everything vegans lie and claim is """""fact""""" it's absolutely nothing.