So in the fitness scene, what does "natural" mean exactly?

>>39528613
No roids or testosterone. That guy probably is a fraud

I believe that he indeed is natural

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>>39528613
>JUST hair

>>39528631
>probably is

No shit?

There "probably is" life in space also

> no matter what i do, ill never have those calves

:(

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>>39528680
>your calves will always be more muscular than that but never as toned

>>39528613
>what does "natural" mean exactly?
Refusing to admit you roid

>>39528631
Lol really? That dude is not that big.

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>>39528641
ok

>>39528711
Basically this. Anyone who puts #NaturalBodybuilding in their instagram is usually frauding hard. The other problem is people don't understand how steroids work, so a guy on lower doses with obvious signs of frauding but doesn't look like Rich Piana combined with a Leaf gets passed as natty to some fat middle aged retard thinking 12 reps with baby weight on the smith machine is the gateway to swole.

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"I ain't neva use no steroids" - Ronnie

>>39528727
This guy looks way better natty than MasT

>>39528756
>The other problem is people don't understand how steroids work

Okay now you tell me:
What is a guy like Jeff (or someone else @ same size) taking?

>>39528756
>The other problem is people don't understand how steroids work, so a guy on lower doses

You don't either.

>>39528727
This is him right before a show ofcourse hes going to be in peak condition but he doesn't walk around like that year round

>>39529056
you know nothing about steroids just shut up you're embarassing

>>39528613

This guy doesn't look that big though. Is he really tall? If he's over 6'1 maybe he's roiding. Look at those shoulders, though Nothing too crazy there, right?

>>39529095
If retards like you would shut up the world would be a better place.

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I'm glad I only want otter mode.

I have zero idea what is natural or not and after a few years of reading /fit/ I still have no clue.

The sticky still remains the real reason to come here. All thats left is humor and a slow infusion of homosexual thoughts.

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>>39528773
>natty

>>39528767
>I have never used no steroids.
>double negative
He was actually honest.

>>39528810
>>39528874
Hasn't answered so he prob. dont know

Half these guys just pile on hashtags to get more likes and exposure since their lives depend on social media, but "natural bodybuilding" just means you don't use steroids or other PEDs. It's just to impress normies and beginners, no one cares who's on or off gear when you've been lifting for a while.

>>39528727
Truly the facial expression of uneven abs.

>>39528613
below 1000mg is natty broh

>>39528716
holy fuck people are getting more delusional by the day

>>39530523
Try actually lifting newfriend.

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>>39529056

>>39530029
Yeah. Sticky is good to brush up on every few months and the rest made me gay. Thanks /fit/. I suck dick daily now

If they aren't tested frequently and there's sponsor money on the line, they aren't natty

>>39530096

Underrated post

>>39528613
as long as someone else inject you, you don't pin.

>>39528613
look, just because i stumble and fall with my delts onto needles filled with dangerous substances i have lying around the house every Monday and Thursday at 9:00 AM sharp doesn't mean i'm roiding, okay? shit happens.

>>39528613
In the fitness scene natural seems to mean

>I lie about taking roids because I don't plan to compete and only sell stupid fitness shit.

>>39528613

Why the fuck are his feet so small?

Total feetlet

>>39528631
Maybe those legs and shoulders aren't natty, but this guy has absolutely no traps

>>39530759
small feet are aesthetic

>>39528727
Those tiny hands...

>>39532998
small bones are more aesthetic because they make your muscles proportionately larger.

>>39528613
Looks natty to me. Traps aren't blocky, delts aren't like cannonballs, quads are just cut.

On Instagram it means nothing.
In real life it means you pass any PED test they can throw at you.
There is a small grey area with some TRT and some stimulants and fat burners, but generally speaking, if you take something that most athletic associations would test for at a competitive level, you're not natural.

>>39530096
Kek

>>39533105
In addition to this:
OP looks natty. I compete in natural bodybuilding and plenty of guys look like that 2 weeks after a show, when they're still fairly lean but have filled in a bit.

>>39528613
That dude could very well be natty. He doesn't have any features that couldn't be obtained through a few years of lifting and a strict diet.

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A lot of people have good genetics and hit peak limit of whats natural possible, those people get called a fraud when they are not.

This guy has a pretty good benchmark for finding out if someone is Natural or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvFtbmuXjls&t=328s

>>39528727
Still. Thats attainable naturally. Not year round mind you. Just for a short time.

But someone could work hard and eat right for years and get a sick pump then take a pic like that.

>>39529940
Ya know. Good physiques ARE attainable naturally.

I've seen dudes look like this at 5'5" 150 lbs. They look huge and ripped in pics. But. In person they're just little ripped dudes with 14 inch arms.

>>39533155
ALSO HERE is the calulator. I used it to see ABOUT~ how big i can get natty at 15% BF and it says about 200lbs. So its reasonable.

http://www.thecalculator.co/health/Fat-Free-Mass-Index-(FFMI)-Calculator-794.html

>>39533185
hey i have 14 inch arms : (((

>>39533162
>leave fit
>come back after 2 years
>see this
fucking newfags back in my day everyone and their moms was a roid user

>>39531794
hes flexing his lats you mong

>>39533220
I've not fucked around on here for years myself. Not a newfag.

My statement was made because I'm also not a newfag in the gym. 19 years. I know what kind of physiques are attainable naturally. Hell. I used to be accused of using gear years ago on this board. I mean. I do now though. I'm in my 30s, the T dropped.

>>39533257
not that guy. but post your body pic pre roids.

and then use this calculator http://weightrainer.net/maximum_bodypred.html . it incorporates bone sizes with top pre roid bodybuilder data. it's giving me a massive size target. well towards the end of being accused of juice. by some measurements, i'm already past natty. pretty sure that's mostly due to water weight though.

Creatine, natty or no?

>>39533155
Are you implying that Christian Bale didn't roid?

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Aww come on guys, he says his natural and i believe him.
I mean look at him in this pic you can look like this without steroids
it's possible
to get that muscle development
and such low body fat
no he doesn't have massive traps and delts
come on guys
its 2016

>>39530727
fucking kek

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>>39534492
the only thing worse than roiders are fake nattys
-socrates

>>39530096
>Aint
>Neva
>No

Triple negative actually. Big black liar!

>>39528613
Natural means you're only getting testosterone from your own body; not injecting it. So no roids.

Also, Aaron actually is natural. He's been lifting for about 15 years, is a PT by trade and post pics of how he actually does it. Callum on the other hand makes no such claims. Seeing them standing next to each other you can really see that Aaron isn't bulkshitting.


Also
>inb4 somebody claims taking creatine is not natty