If you start really obese (BF>35%), how long should you keep

>>39445440
anything under 20 is fine

>>39445440
Depends on what you're doing it for.
As much as you need to make yourself happy. The minute you let someone else dictate when you're happy you're fucked.

>>39445451
Let me be specific, in that situation, what is the best route for the fastest long term gains, without roids?

>>39445470
In that case, just keep bulking until you can DL 600lbs and then start slowly cutting (-500kcal a day).

>>39445440
how much weight is that?

looks above 6ft

>>39445440
Until you become healthy. under 15%.

aside from BMI average, how do you actually tell your BF%?