I've been lifting for 3 months and my shoulders haven't

>>39322147
it's gonna take longer than 3 months

>>39322147
You're building muscle, not changing the shape of your skeleton. You can do lateral raises and pull ups to give yourself more of a taper, and good posture might help a little, but that's about all you can do.

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>>39322171
Is that a yes? Then if so how did pic related do it?

>>39322167
How much?

>>39322190
You need to understand that you're not just gonna "get" a good physique dude... You will achieve it through dedicated programming and time. There is no set amount of time. You could work out for 3 years, and bulk/cut the same 10 lbs over and over again.

You decide how long it'll take.

>>39322147

IF YOU WANT TO BE CHAD, YOU NEED CHAD GENETICS.

WHILE YOU DO LATERAL RAISES IN AN ATTEMPT TO COMPENSATE FOR YOUR GENETICALLY INFERIOR FRAME, CHAD EATS PIZZA.

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>>39322219
Pic related i soverly reliant on genetics however isn't it? He doesn't seem that big.

>>39322259
* is overly

Typo

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>>39322190
The answer is

go fuck yourself for making two threads about the same thing

You cannot change your shoulders (frame). Add muscle, sure, but your shoulders are not going to get "longer" as you put it. You're done.

>>39322190
If you look hard enough at that picture you'll see how much lats and posture that exhibits lats produces the illusion of wider shoulders. Hit the pull up bar

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Broader shoulders is a more manly trait rather than narrow shoulders, which is a more feminine trait. The easiest way to spot male to female transgender traps is to look at how wide their shoulders are. If them shoulders are wide than that was a man at one point.

>>39322147
>wide grip rows
>wide grip lat pull downs
>wide grip behind the neck pull downs
>wide grip pullups
>lay off the fucking shrugs
>lots of lateral and side raises
>chest flyes, lots and lots of chest flyes

this isnt rocket science, and yes depending on your diet you can see results after 3-6 months

>>39322369
>lay off the shrugs

top lel, the guy in op's pic would look decent if his traps weren't of comical proportions

god bless taylor west, the trainer at a 24 hour fitness in santa cruz who's instructions helped me gain 15-20 lbs of muscle without injuries. sure, I don't go as low as people always want me to with chest press, but I don't give a fuck, I lift for me and whenever I go low I hurt myself. my elbows are never going past 90 degrees ever again

op it isn't rocket science. literally just do a bro split

PULLUPS
CHINUPS
INVERTED ROWS

I HAVE A GOD TIER BACK BUT ARMS ARE SKELETAL

JUST END ME

OHS, not enough OverHead Squat

>>39322147
somebody post the right side guy with his lower half included pls

>>39322190
u can see how wide his clavicles are, the wider the clavicles the wider shoulder potential you have
>>39322147
if u look at left he has extremely weird clavicles

>>39322869
do fucking curls and wrist curls and hammer curls

u fuck

>>39322147
Someone post the full pic of the dude on right so everyone can see how unfortunate his hips are

Lats and traps makes big frames boys.

You can't "build" broad shoulders, they're genetic, it's a result of bone structure not muscle.

I have the exact same upper body frame as the guy on the right. Is it good? im very self-conscious about not having smaller hips. Is that frame still good?

>>39324038
>the exact same
Post em boi cause those are one in a million genetics and we'd all love to mire.

> about not having smaller hips.
You can work on that by having a decent core.
>Is that frame still good?
It's phenomenal.

The picture on the right is edited.

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>>39322147
Stop posting this picture it's fucking bullshit

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>>39324086
Pic related and this >>39322259 aren't tho

>>39322259
lol this guy has 0 muscle mass, it's just low bf

>>39324075
Im still dyel. I just mean't that I have same frame and i would look like him after x years of working out.

>>39324165
>and i would look like him after x years of working out.
And how do you know this?

>>39324173
well because same frame and insertions

>>39324185
>well because same frame and insertions
You can't say what you think you'll be like unless you dad looks exactly fucking like that.

>>39324212
ok sry.

>>39324212
But my dad used to look like that when he was 20

>>39324101
Your dysmorphia is showing.
That's the perfect body.

>>39322190
its because the right pic is stretched out

if its not then im gonna need his head routine

>>39324597
In your opinion....but m gonna agree with he other dude he isn't big it's just he's lean

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>>39322147
I'm pretty sure adding lots of mass can definitely at least create the illusion.

Compare this picture of current CYC at 120kg to when he was at his heaviest. Or Zydrunas Savickas pre- and post-weight loss.

>>39322147
Am I the only one who things guy on the left has more desirable physique? Dude looks strong as fuck, looks like wrestler or some shit. Mass in the right places. Right one has that classic "only sports I've ever done is gym".

>>39324091
He does lack a little bit in his lats, dont he?

>>39325281
How the fuck do you get calves like that

>>39325508
Be a thicc manlet and squat 390kg apparently.

>>39322147
Dude on the left has that TRT Wanderlei Silva-physique

>>39324091
Jesus christ that's literally me if i didn't under train abs.
I'm never doing a plank again.

>>39325316
Left looks like a butthurt manlet right looks like Chad who does 20 pushups sometimes

>>39325248
He's definitely beyond 1-2-3-4 anon
If he's natty, he's near his limit
You're being unreasonable

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>>39322147
tfw when 6'2" with wide shoulders

>>39327804
explain

>>39327841
Explain?
His FRAME is just like mine
But with more abdominal mass
His abs look gross
Do not want

>>39327850
but planks gave him this? More likely he just didn't deadlift enough

>>39327878
Adding more workouts wouldn't fix his broad hips/oblique inserts
If anything they would make them wider

>>39327936
deadlifts give you mass between your ribcage and hips

>>39327954
Then he would look like one of those weirdly broad roman statues
That's unaesthetic

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>>39327969
Arnie had that type of frame

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>>39327989
No he didn't
He had a broad chest and shoulders and a small waist

frame is a big determining factor. but you can get incredibly wide through lifting. theres this huge dude at my gym who's like 250 who's wide as a door and he was doing side raises with 55-60lb dumbells and pressing the 120lb just build your shoulders, eat like a pig, and the results will come

>>39324633
you can made yourself wide by working your back and shoulders. everyone knows this. dyel?

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>>39328024

>>39329308
Look at the changes in his head shape you tard.

>>39329318
Yeah that's a pretty disgusting body anon

>>39322251
Basically true shoulder width is mostly genetics.