Fit memes you fell for >Chinups and rows are enough for biceps,

>>39170311
>t. i'm a dyel who has been lifting for 8 months and im now upset that i don't look like a pro bodybuilder so i'm going to make a retarded thread "disputing" "memes"
Kill yourself nigger

>>39170337

Fuck off you skinnyfat troll

>>39170363
post pic
post max ohp and diddly since it apoears you are doing ss, you can add number of weighted chinups you are doing.

>>39170311
I found this true.
Switched to a compound movements only routine and actually got thinner. Only lats grew (chin ups are goat).

>>39170337
>>39170409
wtf lmao? are you trying to tell this guy that these:
>Chinups and rows are enough for biceps, don't do curls
>OHP is enough delts
>Compounds alone are enough for abs

should be taken seriously? they're the biggest fitness memes ever and people still spout this bullshit.

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Dyel? Do you even know what abs are?

>>39170409
>someone tell me to fuck off on the internet

POST PICS POST MAX OHP POST DICK NEXT TO RULER POST PIC OF LAST SHIT YOU TOOK! I'M BETTER THAN YOU FAGGOT!

Why do natty powerlifters always have lagging delts if OHP is all you need?

Really makes you think

>>39170465
>>39170484

Please be real.

>>39170465
>>39170484
i see no pictures
i see no numbers

>>39170465
OP confirmed.

>Do a linear strength routine
>Lifts are around 1/2/3/4 for a few reps
>Bodyweight goes from 57kg-76kg
>Arms increase by 3 inches
>Post progress on /fit/
>Get ridiculed and told I've gained purely fat

Last time I fall for the strength routine meme

>>39170311

I think chinups are enough if at high volume and different rep ranges.

Delts need lateral dumbbell raises and abs need cable work to really pop has been my experience.

>>39170534
The problem isn't really the strength routine. It's the retarded "hurr durr accessories are Satan" cult mentality. God forbid you do some tricep extensions. No way you'll recover by next workout!

>>39170484
PICS
MAX OHP
DICK NEXT TO RULER
PIC OF LAST SHIT YOU TOOK! I'M BETTER THAN YOU FAGGOT!

wat else shuld i post?

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>>39170565
thanks bro i wanna gonna do some tricep extensions and curls but if i wont recover in time then ill skip them and stick to the routine.
thanks man.

>>39170311
>>Chinups and rows are enough for biceps, don't do curls
Any new lifter will get more out of getting to 3x10 chinups than he would doing any kind of curls. Past the beginner stage though yeah, isolations and bodybuilding are fine.

>>OHP is enough delts
Hoo boy. It really is. In fact, bench alone is enough for delts. Honestly any kind of pressing for volume along with plenty of upper back work is 'enough' for delts. Yet again though, yes, you're allowed to do some DB press at the end of your workout for a pump.

>>Compounds alone are enough for abs
Good bracing on a front squat or deadlift will do more for you than a million situps. If you absolutely must do some ab wheel or leg raises at the end of your workout, by all means feel free.

Basically the only meme you fell for was that certain exercises are not allowed and you're a bad person if you do them.

>>39170489
Point me to a middleweight IPF powerlifter with lagging delts.

>>39170565
Nobody's really saying accessories are Satan, and a couple after your Friday session as a novice probably won't hurt/actually might help.

The problem is that a rank novice asking 'can I do some curls as well' usually turns into the ridiculous 'SS variants' you sometimes see posted here that have 10 different isolation exercises for each muscle group every session.

The attitude that leads to that is GREAT, because it means they're enthusiastic and motivated. However the fact that they don't really know any better means that overstating the 'keep accessories to an absolute minimum' rule is usually necessary to stop them burning themselves out and quitting after 2 months.

>>39170606
Any new lifter will get more out of getting to 3x10 chinups than he would doing any kind of curls. Past the beginner stage though yeah, isolations and bodybuilding are fine.

At what stage would you say someone is not a beginner anymore?

BW: 154
BP: 165
DL: 265
SQ: 200

3 months lifting.

>>39170311

>Chinups and rows are enough for biceps, don't do curls

Eh I feel like chinups do a lot more for me than curls do. I always get a sick pump from chinups. Even if just bodyweight chins. Curls not so much.

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>>39170613

>>39170634
1000lbs combined BP/DL/S is minimum to not be considered beginner

>>39170634
The term 'novice' as used here is almost always the definition given in Practical Programming for Strength Training by Rippetoe and Baker.

Put simply, a novice is anyone who can still add weight to the bar every workout. For most people who eat properly, sleep enough, and consistently add weight every workout, this phase lasts about 4-9 months. If you're a guy, it'll take your squat up to anywhere from about 275x5 to 375x5, deadlift to the lower end of the 400s, bench press anywhere in the low to mid 200s, and press anywhere from 150 to 190.

Judging by your numbers and your bodyweight, you're nowhere near done being a novice. Unless you're either (a) 5' 2'' or (b) a girl, you could stand to gain around 30 pounds.

>>39170634
How many chinups can you do? Yes you can do curls, you can do fucking whatever because there's no fitness police to come arrest you, but keep the 80:20 principle in mind. Hammer a few big lifts hard, do one or two quick bullshit iso's at the end of the session, go home and eat.

>>39170649
And this body belongs toooo...

>>39170311

>Split routines are good

Best meme around on /fit/

>>39170311
You never even define what "enough" even means, so this entire post is stupid and irrelevant.

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>>39170672
>thinking PPL is bad

>>39170489
Because powerlifters don't do a 1:1 ratio on the bench: overhead ratio. In fact it's closer to 2:1 or 3:1,which is much less than what most strength training programs call for.

>>39170666


He is an IPF u83kg natty powerlifter.

>>39170311
Except for the part about rows, these are all Rippetoe articles of faith.

>>39170311
>>39170311
Reality is that anything is enough.
>1. Step, know when you are doing, understand exercises and muscle anatomy
>2. Step, Learn about food
>3. Step, Don't leave from your gym just because you did your numbers, leave when you have killed your workout

When I visit my gym every once in a while , I see this type of shit, same non progressing people not knowing what they are doing

>>39170693

Calm down there Jim Stoppani. Did you get your routine from the bodybuilding.com database?

>>39170708
1. Step, know what are you doing*

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>legit fell for chin ups and rows meme
>still did isolation for tris
>over developed tris, completely flat bis

It's going to take at least a year or two to fix this.

I'd post pics but I'm out on a navy ship

>>39170696
Give me a name, nigger. Or I could just start spamming the instagrams of IPF guys, but why bother.

>>39170617
You should check out Rippetoe talking on a podcast about strength vs. aesthetics. The interviewer says strength routines often blow up the lower body while the upper body lags. Ripp replies that when you get "big" your idea about what is aesthetic changes, so you won't care about being fat. You'll only care about being strong.

>>39170675
Wow! Look everyone! We have a new member to our family! And he's been kind enough to put a trip on so we all know who he is at any given time.

How considerate of him to do such a thing!!!

>real talk time
Fresh off the block from Reddit. Don't worry. I can tell. Let me be the first to tell you, tripping here is only gonna cause you hurt and pain, faggot. Yeah thats right, I said faggot. Welcome to 4chan, faggot. This place isn't about the glory of making a comment, its about intellectual rational discussion, something you plebbits know nothing about. I'm sure you've just wondered off your beaten track of lollipops and sugar cubes into this place and you can't understand the hatred you are gettin for tripping.
Well you deserve it. Now, like most faggots from reddit, you'll be heading back that way soon. Because 4chan is too mean and angry for you. You'll think you've finally understood why they call this place the internet hate machine. But you have no idea faggot. Hang around, get a taste for being BTFO and rekt and see how you like it. You plebbits have no spine and you'll probably run back to mama upboat. But i hope you don't, i hope you stay and you learn whats it like to be part of a peak internet community willing to have each others backs at any given moment and to look beyond words to find the wisdom in each others posts. You are hitting a crossroads soon, between what is easy, and what is right. Do you want to make sure everyone can see your name and upboat you to make your ego better? Or do you want to be known as one of the many, anonymous like us and have your opinion shat on no matter how right you are for the privilidge of knowing that you are in the right place, with the right people getting the cold hard facts pried straight from the horses mouth. Do you want life to be rough as guts and brutally honest with a tinge of genius, or would you rather have people validate your stupidity no matter what? The choice is yours. Step up, FAGGOT.

>>39170736
is this fresh pasta?

>>39170565
The reasons that dyels are told "no accessories" is because if you told them "yeah, do some at the end of your session if anything is lagging" soon they'd turn it into something like this:

>OHP 3X5
>Chins 3X5
>Squat 3X5
>Skulls 3X10
>Lateral raises 3X10
>Curls 3X10
>Lat. pull-down 3X10
>Leg extension 3X10
>Leg curls 3X10
>Crunches 3X20
>Some esoteric cable shit 3X15

The whole "accessories will ruin everything" shtick more a matter intimidating them into focusing on the basics until they gain enough experience to actually tinker with their routines in a non-retarded fashion. Just like telling kids that they will get leprosy/AIDS if they don't wash their hands after peeing to get them to learn basic hygiene - at least that's how my parents did it, and I wash my hands raw as an adult.

>>39170767
>Just like telling kids that they will get leprosy/AIDS if they don't wash their hands after peeing to get them to learn basic hygiene - at least that's how my parents did it, and I wash my hands raw as an adult.

Ummmmm....thats not normal anon. Thats some fucked up shit right here.

>anon has ocd handwashing from his parents mentally abusing him as a child

TOPKEK

I fell for
>rows and deadlifts are enough for forearms
This one is the most retarded, because while you can make the argument that biceps are used to their fullest extent during chin ups, your forearms have a fuckton more functions than gripping onto a 1 inch diameter round bar. If you only use barbells, you're completely leaving out pinching strength, wrist strength and open hand strength. There's a reason why people who do manual labor have much bigger forearms than people who lift weights, grabbing onto objects of all shapes and sizes is much more effective for forearms than always using a 1 inch diameter bar. Same with arm wrestlers, they use all kinds of forearm exercises and surprise, surprise, they have bigger forearms than powerlifters.

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>>39170798
>he can't deadlift 4pl8

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Brian Alsruhe made a vid about how he never curls and only does weighted pull ups in sets of 3.
Whatever floats your boat, anon

>>39170817

>he uses mixed grip

laughingsluts.png

>>39170817
Nah he's not wrong though, if all you do is pull barbells or DBs or cable attachments, you won't have spectacular forearms. Decent, but not crazy.

>>39170817
Being able to hold onto 4 plates really isn't hard, at least set a higher standard. Regardless, doing just deadlifts is stupid when you could be doing deadlifts AND forearm isolations.

>>39170825

He is clearly not natty though

>>39170831
>he unironically pulls DOH and limits the amount of weight he can deadlift for no fucking reason

>>39170825
I'm doing street workout and that's basically what I do for mine. My bw is 70kg, I can squeez 10 full rom reps with 30kg of weights

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>>39170831
>he pulls double overhand grip and can't understand why he doesn't lift 4pl8s

lmao@urlife

>>39170843

Calm down there lad. Bet you have more imbalances than Quasimodo.

Hook grip is king.

>>39170825
yeah but hes on steroids

>>39170851
Hook grip is a hypermeme and the only imbalance here is how big my mixed grip dick is compared to your hook grip babyweiner.

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>>39170861

>>39170665
>Do SS for 4 months
>End up deadlifting 400kg
wow thanks rippetoe

deadlift for forearms are the biggest meme here

I dl 210kg and my forearms are ok. After i started incorporating wrist curls is when my forearms started to grow real fast

>>39170874
Please describe to me listing the exact musculature that should be negatively affected and the exact medical conditions that I'm supposed to be suffering from as a result of mixed grip. I'll wait. Google "degloving" while you're at it.

>>39170665
>it'll take your squat up to anywhere from about 275x5 to 375x5
Anyone who can squat 375x5 should be able to hit 405x1, and literally nobody has linear progression to a 4 plate squat.

>>39170851
>>39170874
>he doesn't know how to alternate mixed grip

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH FAGGOT

>>39170798
How i get forearms tho

>>39170861

>"hypermeme"

Christ I hate the world.

>>39170924
You're on a board full of 'em so learn to love it.

>>39170409
I OHP my body weight and do pull ups with 40kg for reps. And yeah, it's not enough for size. My arms are 14 inches, lol. Still, I care more for strength, so I dont like to do isolations, but don't fool people into thinking that doing compounds will give them bodybuilder look. Unless they roid - it won't.

>>39170825
Hes on steroids, he doesn't even have to lift to build muscle dumbass

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>>39170311
Didn't fall for any of them.
Lateral raises God tier.

>>39170311
guy in the pic fell for the not training calves meme it seems

>>39170950
>being unironically this stupid
whats it like?

>>39170989
You tell me

>>39170791
That was a low key joke you dip.

>>39170983
Enjoy your fucked rotator cuffs, faggot.

>>39170999
>HURR DURR I WAS BEING RETARDED ON PURPOSE

>>39170989

He is correct.

Steroid use without weight lifting will result in muscle growth.

Obviously, if you take steroids and do not lift, you will look like a dyel twink, not like the guy in the picture, but what he said is technically correct

>>39171019
My cuff dont rotate faggot

>>39170887
Trap imbalance
Greater risk of bicep tears

>>39171025
Okay that explains it

>>39170983
Why do you have babby feet?

>>39171019
That's not a danger of you use safe form. Athlean-X has a good video on this. Avoid impingement and you're golden.

>>39171048
>Trap imbalance
Which part of the trapezius? Imbalanced how? Is there a medical name for this condition?

>Greater risk of bicep tears
I'll give you this one, but I also don't use large amounts of steroids so I'm not too worried about it

>>39170817
I use hook grip and I've only got 305 up once :( am I cheating myself or is everyone else that uses alternating grip?

>>39170887
Literally mid and upper traps will be more developed on the overhand side

>>39171037
>implying you don't have to work harder on steroids than natural in order to get the same results do the lack of sleep and shortened cell life

Fucking idiot.

>>39171067
hookgrip is boss if you can't literally hold the weight, but you are not training your grip strength like if you used OH or Mixed. if you can hook properly than max out with it, but train with alternating mixed grip

Fell for the deadlift and squat don't give you a wide waist and ruin your vtaper potential meme

>>39171110
Define "overdeveloped." Why would this happen? Why can't I see it in the mirror? Why am I not in pain on a daily basis?

>>39171125
>implying you don't have to work harder on steroids than natural
>implying that implying this is incorrect

Find a tall tree and a short rope

>>39171151
So go do nothing but lat pulldowns and seated dumbbell press and never weigh over 150lbs. First though, get the fuck off my board.

>>39170767
So if I'm doing essentially SL, and I've been adding
DB curl
Tricep pull-down
Lateral raise
to the end of my Friday workout, is that cool? Would it hinder my progress to do so twice a week, or to do lateral raises at the end of workouts where I do The Press?

>>39171125

Are you literally saying that steroid use makes muscular development more difficult

Because I had a 800 score on the reading comp. section of the SAT and that's what It looks like I am reading to me

>>39170311

I agree, these are all meemees

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>>39170693
muscle hit # times in a year(assuming a month is 28 days or 4 weeks on ppl vs full body

PPL: 2 times/week * 4 weeks = 8 times/month. 8 times/month * 12 months = 96 times/year

FB: 3 times/week * 4 weeks = 12 times/month. 12 times/month * 12 months = 144 times/year

96/144 = 0.67 = 67% less

>>39171156
Because your a beginner and it takes time for imbalances to develop.

But once their there, good luck getting rid of them.

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>>39171164
>>39171199

>not knowing that steroids cause estrogen drops which reduces cell life expectancy meaning your muscles need to be worked more often to grow
>implying steroids dont allow you to eat shit food so your protein synthesis is worse off than a natty diet
>implying you can recover without sleep due to night sweats because of roids

The amount of basement dwelling fatties trying to hand out information in this thread is fucked.

Do your fucking research you sub human faggots.

>>39171212
Wow... how can you fail at such basic math? Amazing.

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>>39171212
>he doesn't lift above novice weights
>he is still getting his noob gains
>he thinks fullbody three times a week
>beats full body 6 times a week

AAHHAAHAHAHAH FAGGOT CONFIRMED

>>39170489
Because you dont need to OHP in powerlifting and only some do it to help their bench press

>>39171180
It's cool, you can superset those three excersices and bang out 2 sets each in less than 10 minutes. Hell, I did that at the end of every workout when I was on GSLP and it worked great.

> do lateral raises at the end of workouts where I do The Press?
That's fine, as I said a bit of isolation work is not bad at all, it's just that people have a tendency to overdo it and half-ass the core of their programme. Keep it down to 10-20mins tops and don't do more than 2 or maybe 3 sets in the 8-12 rep range and you'll be fine.

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>>39171253
>not going for full body every 12 hours
are you even trying to leave humanity behind

>>39171223
Nah I pull in the low 500s.

http://articles.reactivetrainingsystems.com/2015/12/28/hold-damn-grip/

>>39171239
It is indisputably true that natural lifters benefit from higher frequency while roiders can make gains on lower frequency. If roiders upped their frequency it shouldn't really surprise anyone if that works well for them. Other than that ebin trole m9.

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i don't get it.. why do you guys even lift? so you can lift more weight? seems kind of pointless..

>>39170311
For me chin ups and rows weren't enough.
OHP and dumbbell OHP was enough.
Squats and deadlif to are enough for abs but doing about wheel once a week made my trunk a lot stronger.

>>39170465
They're enough for beginners and they're exactly the target of that advice

>>39170484
So no pics I guess?

>>39170983

>dat gyno

>>39171301
Thanks Anon, you're one of the good ones.

>>39170983
Are you going to post the "after" pic now?

>>39170311
All true

>>39170606
>Good bracing on a front squat or deadlift will do more for you than a million situps. This is why people end up with terrible looking and weak abs.
Except it doesn't, the whole 'muh situps'/compounds and abs in the kitchen meme needs to stop. Direct ab work is important and shouldn't be neglected for compounds
>http://www.philiphimself.com/compound-exercises-enough-abs/

>>39170914
>literally nobody has linear progression to a 4 plate squat

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DS9zxhzgJFM

This guy started his LP at 315x3x5. Supposedly Ed Coan could squat 400 the first time he touched a barbell. Hell, Izzy Narvaez ran Starting Strength to the mid 400's for fives.

Surely not everyone, but by the sounds of it, a lot of people do.

>>39171465

Yet there are gyms full of curl bros who can only squat 2 plate that look 10x better than him

Really makes you think

I literally never once listened to /fit/ unless they had a trip and I was content with their behaviour

>>39171320
Look in a mirror. Take your right hand facing down, and your left hand facing up.

Put your hands out in front of your face and flex your traps.

Now tell me it doesn't make a difference

>>39170983
What the fuck is wrong with your feet lmao

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>>39171060
>>39171571
>doesn't know how to flex quads


>>39171416
Sure, after you.

>>39171381
It's just fat sorry I got you excited

ITT: Idiots who think that advice that is explicitly meant for rank beginners applies past the first 4-12 months.

>>39171835
Is your shoe size like 7?

>>39172325
Close, 8 1/2.
I used to be a gymnast and the general consensus is huge feet ruin your aestheic. I like my small feet, shoes are cheaper too.

>>39172136
>what is Texas Method

>>39171212
That's a lot of math to realize there's 52 weeks in a year.

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>>39171346
bcuz I am real man anon

>>39172759
TM works well for what it is supposed to do. It's not a BB routine and trying to turn it into one is stupid. That being said, if you read the book you'd know that rippletits suggests doing some accessory work.

>>39170989
Its been proven though. Using steroids alone and not working out is better than any natty training regime, even with perfect nutrition

>>39171515
>and this is the same as having hundreds of pounds in your hands.

>>39171445
If you're a sthetics shitter go nuts, do all the situps you want. If you move weight you do not need to make ab work even a little bit of a priority.

>>39170489

Lets be honest here, what you think of as properly developed delts are simply roid detls.

Fun little fact:

Train moderately, typical bodybuilder routine, moderate weight, high volume, never really pushing your CNS, LIS cardio on a treadmill for 1 hour daily. Bascially fluff training for a pump + 500mg weekly testosterone for blast + 125mg TRT throughout the year.

VS.

Natty training hardcore as possible for years with a powerlifter style proper programing and diet.

After 20 years, believe it or not the fluff training meathead on 500mg test blasts and 100mg test cruises will be HEALTHIER, and have FAR better results. His body will look better too.

The natties out there crushing their joints, tendons, and causing their left ventricle to enlarge are fucking themselves up. Seriously, you will enlarge your heart more training naturally with overly heavy weight than the guy on a modest amount of test training with moderate weight.

If you are natty, and want to lift to improve your life, then do NOT look at it like a bodybuilder or a powerlifter.

Just lift weights in a basic way for health and all around fitness.

Want to cosmetically stand out? Find out how to properly use roids.

You will NOT make a stand out body without lagging parts naturally.

In fact focusing on one specific area to build up, such as biceps, as a natty is stupid. You will hardly build ANY noticible muscle there, but the extra work with fuck up the tendons and joints.

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>>39173049
pls stop

>>39173049
Do you actually believe this citationless pile of bullshit or what?

>>39170311
The Weighted chinup is objectively the best lat exercise judging by mean muscle activation in the full ROM.

>>39173049
So what you are saying is you fell for the roid meme right?

>>39173169
What about straight-arm pull downs?

>>39170649
How to get a wide core like this?

>>39170311
>training for strength is more important than training for hypertrophy
>cardio kills gains
>if you cut at a deficit of more than 500 you'll lose muscle and strength
>all you need to get girls is muscle mass
>fat women are somehow linked to high testosterone

>>39174140
>fat women are somehow linked to high testosterone
OBESE women.
The women in High Test threads all have fat that goes to the right places.
Every once in a while a petite nymphlet or swolette or LGBTQA will get all bitchy and mad that they're sexually inferior in the eyes of the physically superior kickstand having population of the board and start posting obese chicks or gay porn.

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>>39174140
if you're on a bulk and you're doing cardio without wanting to do a marathon or something you literally are killing your gains.

>>39174220

Wow you're retarded.
A typical session of cardio for health reasons burns like 3-500kcal, which anyone should be able to eat back without issue.

>>39174243
eating another 500kcal is a fucking chore especially when i'm already trying to fit 3500kcal's in my mouth.

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>>39174207
Couldn't have said it better myself.

>>39174285
Firstly, cardio increases appetite, so you can just down a protein bar or two after the session without any effort.
Or you can drink the calories or eat nuts/PB and such..
(this in conjuction with cardio is far healthier than no cardio and not eating the extra cals, before you say eating those things is unhealthy)

People who neglect cardio are stupid. Bulking or not.

>>39170311
>Chinups and rows are enough for biceps, don't do curls
Do your chinups weighted and increase the weight as you do on your main lifts. Normal curls are retarded. The only thing that actually hits your bicep good is a clean eccentric on a cheat curl.
>OHP is enough delts
Nope, but if you add 3x8-15 lateral raises and face pulls, that's actually enough.
>Compounds alone are enough for abs
True though, unless you have other goals than looking good or lifting heavy. Like doing flags on a pole or being good at gymnastics. Otherwise compounds are enough for abs, provided you do at least 2 heavy or high volume compounds every workout. Obliques might be worth isolating if you like the look. Just do some side knee raises.

>>39174319
>Do your chinups weighted and increase the weight as you do on your main lifts. Normal curls are retarded. The only thing that actually hits your bicep good is a clean eccentric on a cheat curl.
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Litterally everything else in your post is going to be fucking retarded.
I just know it.
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Yup

>>39174319
>True though, unless you have other goals than looking good or lifting heavy.

Then why do powerlifters and strongmen do lots of ab work?

>>39174341
not him, but what's wrong with?
>Nope, but if you add 3x8-15 lateral raises and face pulls, that's actually enough.

>>39174344
not the guy responded to but i'm gonna guess stability.

>>39174344
Most of the guys I train with half ass or skip abs altogether.

t. competing powerlifter

>>39173049
>The natties out there crushing their joints, tendons, and causing their left ventricle to enlarge are fucking themselves up. Seriously, you will enlarge your heart more training naturally with overly heavy weight than the guy on a modest amount of test training with moderate weight.

Is this actually true? Because if it is I will be more likely to consider roiding. Do you have a source for this info?

>>39170311

Well these may be enough for some people depending on goals and genetics.

But you are never going to optimize growth in a muscle if it's only ever used as a synergist/stabilizer for compounds.

>>39174429
Holy FUCK if your source for health advice regarding steroid use is a single post on 4chan with no citations whatsoever you are nowhere near prepared to roid.

>>39174429
>working out causes your left ventricle to enlarge
>which is why runners have such fucking bad cardiovascular health
Would you please use your fucking brain for a second? The symptoms he mentions are caused by high blood pressure. Last time I checked, working out doesn't increase your blood pressure unless you're taking juice. Also, training for strength while juicing is far worse for your joints and tendons. You can lift far more weight in a shorter amount of time. Your muscles might be able to withstand the abuse but your joints and tendons won't.

>>39174572
Oh yeah, joint and ligament tears are 100% normal on gear.
Oh and heart enlargement is going to happen if you lift and do steroids.
It's just going to happen.

>>39174377
What about the powerlifters who win medals?

>>39173756

genetics

>>39174483

I was asking if he had a citation.

>>39174663
Find me a single national or world champion who says ab training is the key to their success.

>>39174341
Lemme guess, you've been on a PPL routine for 3 months.

Since when the fuck did PPL routines become bro splits on /fit/?

Is any routine that doesn't just consist of squat, bench and deadlift a brosplit?

>>39174700
Dabe Tate, Matt winning, Louie Simmons, Dan Green. Prolly more if you try looking. If you look at any of the top lifters, they do direct ab work quite a bit. But no one wants to watch a powerlifter talk or do abs so it doesnt get covered much.

>>39175123
Four guys on massive doses credit ab work for their success instead of modern chemistry, wild.

>>39175123
Meant for
>39174663

>>39171151
deadlift and squat gave me a nice adonis belt

>>39175031
PPL is really not as bad as certain people make it seem but it's not as amazing as most people who recommend it make it out to be. PPL is just too much volume for most beginners and even for more advanced lifters. Just look at a typical push day. You'll be doing a flat bench variation for 3-5x8-12 and same amount of sets and reps for incline and overhead press and probably some dips too and most people also add some tricep isolations with even more reps. That is far too much volume for anyone who's not on juice. Due to this, progressive overload is pretty much impossible. Once you're a late intermediate or advanced lifters, you can't just add more weight to get gains from linear progression, periodization is required, which is just simply not possible on a PPL routine. The deadlift is also hard to incorporate, which is a pretty important basic compound lift and if you go with a 6day split, good luck doing multiple sets of deadlifts 2 times a week and just as many squats. You'll either be moving babby weight or burning yourself out or getting an injury.

>>39175309
Forgot to add. All that being said, you get your training stimulus from high volume, so your muscles will still be growing, not at a faster rate and not at a slower rate than people who're training for strength BUT you'll be training muscles that don't get any attention in most periodized or linear progression programs, like bicep and delts aside from anterior, so you might come out with a better physique by the end of it. There are some simple fixes for most strength routines to incorporate neglected muscle groups, so it's not like you can't get the same results on those programs either, you just have to tweak it a little.

>>39174429
>implying that steron use doesn't fuck up your heart

>>39171346
Why ever improve at anything? so you can do it better? Seems kind of pointless

>>39170983
Connor?

>>39174315
he just doesnt wanna do cardio broseiden.