Which drug is deadlier/destroy your gains? >smoking >booze

>>39136555
nice trips. if youre trying to gain muscle. probably booze/smoking/sugar/coffee.

if your trying to cut fat.
booze/sugar/smoking/coffee

in order from worst to least bad.

Adderall. You can go days without eating.

>>39136569
but smoking is better at suppressing appetit than coffee

>>39136555
Destroying gains? Prob booze or sugar.

Deadliest? Smoking. Without question.

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>>39136717
i mean appetite
lol

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>sugar
>drug

>>39136555
>Coffee
Maybe a fucking latte. Nothing wrong with black unsweetened coffee.

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Who else here has kicked drugs and replaced them with other stuff?

I drink Coke now, work out, drink occasional beer and drink Red Bull instead of smoking, smoking weed, benzos, hard alcohol and opiates

I can say for a fact drugs in general are gains killers. Especially weed and alcohol.

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>>39136555
I don't want to drink alcohol to protect my gains.
I don't want to smoke weed in social situations because I became autist as fuck.

What to do?

My solution is hard alcohols: less harm, good high.

>>39136555
Booze of course

>use to smoke 1g+ of weed a day
>drank 6-8 diet cokes

It's amazing how much better I feel
Now that I quit.

>>39137298
Just have a few beers

>>39137294
weed doesn't fuck with gains if you have self control.

>>39137306
Did you quit both? I only see problems with cokes.

>>39137320
A few beers have more calories and less alcohol than 2-4 shots of strong alcohol.

>>39137330
Nice rationalization, stay mad weedlet.
>muh 420 blazeit lmao
>muh trying to fit in with retards

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Is sugar really that bad

>>39137351
Sugar is adictive. Sugar doesnt make you feel full. Sugar generate tolerance.

>>39137298
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>>39136555
Nice creatine art.

>>39136555

If you drink a lot of coffee, like 3+ cups a day. This includes diet cokes/pro plus, try stopping for a week. I was drinking 4-7 cups a day of real nice beans. I've quit 3 weeks now, but I was not prepared for the 5 days of constant forehead headaches from not having a cup.

I'm scared to scared drinking it again.

>>39136555
amphetamine

>no sleep
>no apetite
>direct muscle breakdown

>>39136717
Nigga this depends heavily on what you smoke

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Thats why I take psychedelic mushrooms.

>great trip
>no permanent damage whatsoever
>low calorie
>supresses appetite

>bonus: girls crave it, and it is kind of a secret you can build that you tripped together. Many girls get horny af

>>39136569
pretty accurate although I don't know about smoking
booze inhibits your ability to synthesize protein for the duration its in your body which is what fixes the tears in your muscle fiber after working out

>>39138398
on the other hand, beer would be amazing for hungy skelletons for a really dirty bulk

Booze

>>39137224
theres absolutely nothing wrong with a latte either. its just espresso and milk. I drink one every morning with whole milk and it keeps me full until the afternoon and gives great energy. its actually better than black coffee because the milk gives your body sustenance so that the energy from the coffee is more sustained vs. spiking and crashing you. Are you one of the naive types that thinks that every latte is a "pumpkin spice latte" from barfbucks?

>>39137294
caffeine is still a "drug". also beer/alcohol is also still a drug. your downplay of it as if its nothing tells me you're not very educated. they're both literally way more harmful than weed>>39137330
, you can actually OD on caffine on alcohol, you cant OD on weed
>caffeine and alcohol are safe
>but weed kills gains
KYS moron

>>39137320
awful advice

>>39137349
makes me laugh to think that guys like you are probably sitting in my classes, no realizing that little old me, who keeps getting the top marks in all of my classes and is fit, is actually "high" every fucking day, every fucking class, every fucking exam.
Weed does not kill gains, physical or mental. YOU kill your OWN gains because you can't handle having your inhibitions taken away and exposing who you really are at the core of your person; a lazy fuck who only gets by on inhibiting his natural lazy inclinations

>>39138368
>bonus: girls crave it

Just because your current gf likes it, doesn't mean "girls crave it"

I got nothing against shrooms except that it lasts too long

>>39138305
people downplay caffeine as if its not a drug, it very much is and it very much has physically addicting properties it, and it will kill you if you OD. caffeine is fine if you're aware of the consequences when you start to drink more than 1-2 cups a day, but so many keep on drinking more and more, not realizing what they're doing to themselves because society downplays it so much.

>>39138368
>no permanent damage whatsoever
thats an extremely naive statement. the fact that youre going full blown, absolutist, "none whatsoever", tells me you probably dont know shit. even in the scientific research community, you wouldnt say "none whatsoever", you would say "there isnt enough significant evidence to support this". that absolutist thinking is a huge red flag dude, you should look into that

>>39138368
Fuck off psychedsubstance you weird baldy x

>>39138682

Hahaha come study an actually challenging subject with me one day, while you're high.

>>39137330
" have self control and youre fine!"
No. Todays weed is strong; the dtronger the easier it is to get addicted; the part were people become lazy is called " a-motivaTional syndrome" which occurs after smoking, and several days after. Sometimes people cant get up out of bed unless its for their addiction( extreme case)

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>>39136730
>>39137298
>>39137294
>>39137298
>>39137330
>>39137351
>>39138398

>>39138733

Your are extremely right.

I did lots of research before trying it, after all in the common sense shrooms is more of a taboo than weed, and many of those lost in drugs take it.

But so far, everything went smooth and I never took more than 2,5g.

>>39138335
Tobacco being implied

>>39136775
it's totally a drug, go watch, "Sugar: The Bitter Truth" on youtube and get educated before you decide to sound like a dumbass again. Fatties even have withdrawal. Only healthy way to consume sugar with with fiber.