Which is better running or swimming for cardio? My guess is

swimming

trains almost all the muscles in your body and due to water cooling you off you're much less likely to need a break due to overheating

also water is harder to move through then air so it's like running with weights on

Swimming. And I am a 60 mile per week runner who loves running more than anything.

>>39106186
this

Only problem with swimming is commuting to a large pool / lake / ocean, unlike running when you can just put your shoes on and go

Swimming is easier on your joints as well. Running can get stressful for your knees and hips if you aren't twinkmode

Swimming and lifting will help build a solid upper body, however swimming is significantly more taxing on the body than running in terms of energy expenditure, so when you're bulking you need to watch your diet that much more.

Running has the advantage of being more convenient since you can literally do it anywhere there's space to move forward. It's also a lot easier to get started with, since swimming requires a decent level of conditioning before you can really get good (most people can run 5k around 40 minutes, but the swimming equivalent of that takes some more starting work). You do need to make sure your form is spot on, though, so as not to damage joints.

For what, exactly? For aerobic fitness, nothing beats running. For everything else, swimming plus you do get a lot of aerobic fitness from it.

>cardio

Enjoy your no gains fgt

>>39106152
Running, swimming requires you to do almost twice the amount of work you would do when running to achieve the same result. Although I prefer swimming myself.

OP here

I guess I will be swimming then this fall/winter. It gets to cold to run outside here now. Anyone know what is a good workout session is?

>>39106152
Running. And to be specific - HIIT.

Anyone have a starting swimming routine or something? Been trying to get into it but not really sure where to start.

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>>39106229
>5k around 40 minutes

>>39106263
>It gets to cold to run outside here now
Nigga cold runs are fucking great. I mainly swim, but once I'm off my prednisone, I'm hoping for colder weather to do some running.

As for routine, if you've not done much swimming, follow this
http://ruthkazez.com/SwimWorkouts/ZeroTo1mile.html

>>39106279
I didn't say it was an impressive time, I'm saying that's a time that most people who have never run in their life can do.

>>39106310
Most people who have never ran are useless toxic wastes of resources.

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>>39106152
Neither, they both are fairly pointless. Whem you swim you only gain the abilty to swim faster or longer. when you run, you only gain the abilty to run further or faster. There is very little to no gains made in any other form. You get the same gains from walking without moderate/high risk of injury to joints or tendons. It only gains you the ability to walk faster or further. It depends on what you want to achive. You wont get a specific body type or look from doing any of these things.

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>>39106324
i've seen some retarded shit on fit but this is up there

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>>39106362
Maybe you should provide some conflicting information, instead of just spouting retarded remarks to seem cool on a Japanese trading card webpage.

>>39106152

how do I acheive this pshyce?

>>39106186
this is the most retarded thing I've ever read on /fit/

please, please tell me you are trolling

>>39106324

he'll lose fat

+ he explicitly asked for cardio

some of us want functional strength and endurance and muh aesthetics only come later
also swimming also trains the upper body instead of only the lower like walking or running

>>39106701

okay then wise guru

what's so bad about swimming?

>>39106731
People drown in there

>>39106768

drowning

>2016
>not being able to swim

literally how, are you a third worlder?
I literally know no-one who doesn't at least have a basis on how to swim

even the fucking aquaphobes know how to swim

>>39106186
this

/archive thread.

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>>39106152
I know you want people to tell you to swim OP, but you won't accomplish very much swimming unless you already have a background as a competitive swimmer.

Just run.

>>39106152
Swimming
pros:
>Burns more calories per mile than running or swimming
>Low impact on joints (unless youre training like Phelps)
>God tier full body workout, especially good for lat and shoulder development
>swimsuit allows you to show off gains, regardless of whether you wear a brief or a jammer
cons:
> more time spent swimming per mile than running or cycling
>Chlorine and bromine are bad for your hair and skin
>can be difficult/expensive to access a pool outside of summer for some.

All that said, if you have easy access to a pool, you would be a fool to not take advantage of it.
t. former competitive swimmer

>>39106768
>People drown in there

lel nigger doesn't know how to swim

>>39106152
Which ever one you like doing, and can stick to.

>>39106909

you'll swim less miles in an hour then you're going to run but due to increased friction you burn almost the same amount of calories

now what I do consider a con of swimming vs running is that good swimming form is relatively hard to do vs good running form

and it's not easy to intensify

tldr >swimming faster is much harder then running faster

also beware

swimming makes you hungry because your body wants to warm up quickly and wants some cheap calories to burn so be sure to resist that

>>39106909
Well my gym has one so I might as well. Plus everyone I see that uses it has a pretty toned body.

>>39106152
Running is better for pure cardio. swimming is super easy on your joints if you're having issues and better at hitting a ton of muscle groups.

>>39106231
This.

Also, I've seen swimmers supplement their sport with running for cardio gains. Dunno if that's a standard though. Just stick to swimming if you just want fitness though.

>>39106324
>two of the best cardio workouts are pointless for cardio.
Riiiiight.

>>39107004
>now what I do consider a con of swimming vs running is that good swimming form is relatively hard to do vs good running form
I can see how somebody who isnt from a swimming background would have this problem. I grew up with it and even years after my best swimming days, I can still hop in a pool and have pretty good for with most of the strokes.
>and it's not easy to intensify
For people from non-swimming backgrounds, I would say that HIIT cardio for swimming would be most effective. It is difficult to get to a point where you can effectively swim long distances without stopping.

while we're on the topic of swimming, im a former comp. swimmer who's blown out of shape but still have that basis of swimming knowledge.

as a recovering fatty, how does my routine look given in mind I'm cutting?
100m Freestyle
30sec rest
100m individual I'M
1m rest
x7
100m freestyle sprint 100% pace

this way I'm hitting 1.5km in more or less an hour with a good amount of consistent intensity throughout

>>39106324
>punches

come on now

>>39106909
>>Chlorine and bromine are bad for your hair and skin

This is what stops me from doing it. Sure, you could wear a cap for the hair, but I don't want to fuck with my skin.

>>39107208
if you have acne the chlorine dries out your skin and gets rid of your acne

>>39107208

it doesn't fuck it up that much

there are much worse things you can do for your skin then swimming

>>39106909
I like swimming, but never did it seriously and don't have good form. Should I just watch some youtube and fuck around in the water, or take lessons for real (I use the gym at the Y and it wouldn't be that expensive)?

>>39107782
IT'S NOT THAT HARD desu senpai

>>39106186
The second part is a stretch, but this is mostly true for general fitness.

Of course, one is not completely interchangeable with the other, so a swimmer will obviously not outrun a runner.

>>39107819
It is that hard, I started swimming laps in HS to "get gud" at swimming and I'm still extremely slow. You competitive swimmer autists don't realize that you swim every single day, and if you stop, you get significantly worse. It is hard to try to swim at a fast pace over time because your form begins to deteriorate and there's nothing you can do

>>39107927
Swimming laps won't make you fast, if that's what you're trying to achieve. You don't even have to be amazing at form to swim relatively fast. Speed comes from doing sprints until your shoulders get used to the exhaustion.

>>39107970
being fast comes from the endurance of doing the same thing over and over like swimming 10k everyday for a month straight

>>39106152
I keep coming back to this pic (homo).

Who is this and how do I get this body?

>>39106909
>>39107208
>>39107391
I also want to start swimming, but the accessibility problems aside, I can't get over how bad it is for your hair and skin. I did swim team from 8-13 years old, and it fucked with my hair so much. Plus, I just feel gross swimming in water that other people are in. I've seen people finger fucking each other and know kids poop in there. Too disgusting.

>>39107004
>you'll swim less miles in an hour then you're going to run but due to increased friction you burn almost the same amount of calories

this is wrong. If the time is fixed (hence your reference of more miles in same time) then it's simply an hour of full bod resistance training vs an hour of zero-resistance leg-only training (scale up or down as needed).

swimming > running for both a pure calorie burn as well as muscle development.

Oh with a lower joint impact to boot (which is why competitive swimmers can swim 4 hours a day 6 days a week without a worry beyond joint wear from bad form).

PLUS if you have access to a salt pool then most the negatives are nil.

>>39107088
This word cardio is being hijacked. Its just a term for endurance. You gain endurance from repeatedly doing something, you get cardio from moving physically and slightly raised heart rate. But running only improve your ability to run faster or further. Swiming only improves your ability to swim. So it all depends on what it is you WANT from you workout. If you want to be a boxer, do more shadow boxing drills or pad drills or even hand speed drills to improve your endurance for it. Running 10 miles a day or sprinting a 5 minute mile will not make you able to go the distance (12rnds) in a boxing ring. It doesn't work that way. So to ask what the best cardio exercise is, is very pointless without what your end goals are, i.e. run a marathon, or triathlon, or iron man run, or do you want to swim laps, or be a boxer, or do 100m dash. Without this information, you can't say which form of "cardio" or endurance training you should be doing.

To act like theres a "1 size fits all" cardio or endurance workout, is absolutely retarded and makes little to no sense whatsoever.

>>39106577
Roids

Am fat fuck.
University has pool of use.
How am I of swim effectively to lose fat.
I want not be fat fuck.

>>39109389
you don't exercise to lose fat. You eat less to lose fat.

read the sticky

>>39109389
>>39109749
pro tip: exercise and eat less to lose fat so you don't look like a flappy skelly when thin

>>39106830
I've met people who don't know how to swim, and knowing that just pisses me off, i make serious plans to teach them how to swim, because not only is that a vital skill of survival, but just think of all the fun they must have missed in their life if they excluded all activities relating water. The fuck man

>>39109817
wtf I hate swimming now

>>39108134
lmao no

Muscle endurance will grant you speed only if you practice sprints. A marathon runner is not faster than Usain.

>>39108599
Bro you're reading too far into this.

>running (training only legs) will not make you better at boxing
No shit. No one claimed that one exercise fits into every other niche. But swimming is objectively the best and most broadly interchangeable activity to increase your cardiovascular endurance/lung capacity.

>>39106152

swimming is better because running destroys your ankle, knee, and hip joints.

>>39107101

well yeah, if you're a trained swimmer then you're trained into having good form

it's like cycling, once you learned it it's easy to go back

story time
>be me, 8YO
>be in swim club
>have been held back severall grades due to being unable to do crawl
>swim teacher does nothing but yell at me to go faster
>swimclub stops due to renovations at the pool which take years
>flash forward to me, 19YO
>have friend who swims european competition
>tell sob story
>tells me he's not surprised
>crawl requires your feet to be held inwards
>mfw short achilles tendron causes me to hold foot always slightly outward
>curse out swim teacher for not telling me

It's not even a contest. Swimming is THE healthiest physical activity anyone can do.

I did a lot of both and running >> swimming

it's just an abstract kind of feel when you can run like 2:45 km, you feel like some kind of a wild animal - free and shit

basically only top 10% of 16-23 yrs old males can really run nowadays, it's so fucking sad

running and swimming does actually help you not get gassed in the boxing ring, who is this fucking autist?

source: am a boxer

>>39106324
>that pic
AHAHAHAHA you can't actually be serious. Even for calisthenics standards that infographic is retarded as shit.

What is some good measure of swimming? For an average guy that doesn't swim competitevly

>>39112346

swim sprints nigga

warmup 500m freestyle

(10 x 50m sprints) x 4
15 seconds rest in between each sprint

cooldown 500m freestyle

>>39107084
It isn't for cardio gains it's so you don't get bored of swimming all the time.

>>39107149
for a main set do something like;
10x 100m with 15s rest. If it's too difficult just increase the rest by intervals of 5s. Then do
4x 200m with more rest. Mix in other strokes if you are up to it but in the beginning stick with front stroke so you can get used to swimming again.
1.5k in an hour is a decent goal for low fitness, I wouldn't worry about high intensity work while you are transitioning back to being in shape.

>>39112372

Yeah but equivalent to like a good mile running time. I have no idea what that is since I'm not amerifat

>>39112346
I don't understand your question. Are you asking how much distance you should be swimming per session or how much distance you should swim in one segment?
ex. 5x 100m
or 5x 50m

>>39112450
If you can swim 500m in 5 minutes that's decent for non competitive swimmers.

a rowing machine

>>39109749
You lose muscle first when you eat less. Read every school biology book

>>39106152
neither.

jump rope master race here

>>39112504

say goodbye to your kneecaps

>>39112556
runnings worse for your knees buddy

>>39112464

What about bit better than decent? Still for non competitive

>>39112669
Actually I fucked up 500 yards in 5 min is decent, 500m in 5min would be good for non-competitive. Big difference.

These times would be impressive to someone who doesn't compete.
>What about bit better than decent?
A bit faster than 5 min for 500 yards. A bit of a dumb question.

>>39106152

Swimming is usually bad for your skin/hair.

Night running master race.

>>39112719
One of the only legit complaints about swimming. It is more maintenance to look decent than running. In high school and junior college I looked like a mess all the time with dry flaky skin, curly hair in a jewfro, and a tired look on my face from 5:30 practice after a late night WoW/porn session.

>>39112719
I love night running but I always have to drive to a safer neighborhood to do it

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>>39106152

running underwater

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>>39113041
>tfw i do this during my warm up and cool down for my swimming sessions

cycling

easy on joints, very convenient.