>TFW considering switching from SS to this reddit meme routine

>>39089995
What is the point of doing both squats and leg press? I'm a dyel and legit interested.

>>39089995
>reddit
why dont you ask your reddit friends? loser.

>>39090033
I guess just more quad dominant movement for volume?

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>>39090043
I did but I want to hear what people who look like pic related think.

>>39089995
The whole reason you dont do all that extra bullshit on SS is because you need to focus right now on increasing your main lifts. doing the extra stuff will only slow you down

>>39090043
>my sekret klub

Stupid kid poster

>>39090076
What if my goal isn't powerlifting? Those same lifts are included desu

I don't care too much about getting marginally slowed down. SS is pretty boring to me

Id love to actually have arms that match my legs

>>39090090
You wont get big if youre weak

>>39090117
>ask for advice
>get told to go to reddit and then called a b8 thread

love this board xD

>>39090151
Why would I be significantly weaker if bench press deadlift and squat are included

>>39090117
rollin

>>39090117
asdf

>>39090117
rollin

>>39090117
roll

>>39090152
You used Zach as the reason not to do SS; all Zach had to do then was cut.

If you seriously believe that you will look like Zach in his pudgey stage after SS, then you're retarded. If you don't, then its bait.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt thinking that you're not an idiot.

>>39090117
hmm

>>39090163
Because if you spend a bunch of time doing high rep sets of meme machine exercises on top of those, youre just hampering your recovery, thus slowing down your gains on the major lifts.

What you need to do is get to 1/2/3/4, and then switch to a hypertrophy routine. You're not going to get big curling 25 lbs a hundred times.

If you don't like SS try Phraks Greyskull LP

>>39090197
What if I introduce testosterone enanthate into the equation?

Then will the routine work for me?

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>>39089995
the only sensible way to live in a senseless world is without rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwq1rbRfJnU

id tagd soliders using id tagged guns. The war economy has become a well oiled machine of mercaneries fighting endless wars for reasons they dont belive. Same weapons same mercaneries fight to serve whover happens to be holding the biggest stick at various given point in time.

USA has plans, syria has "plans" Afghanistan with they plans, look what happens to us because of those plans

>>39090117
Magical

>>39090117
roling for mein fuhrer

>>39089995
Is it better than SS?
Absolutely. Every routine is better than SS.
People think SS is good because that's the first routine they ever did and made gains. Well fucking duh, of course you're gonna make gains if you're a noob that starts to lift for the 1st time of his life.

>>39090227
kill yourself, using roids when you dont even know what the fuck youre doing

>>39090117
Rolling.

>>39090331
I'm just asking if it makes sense desu

You need to take a chillpill buddy it's okay

>>39090063
he was fat before that. He gained muscle mass and strength, he just needed to cut. But as far as i know he quit or somethint

>>39090331
>people that roid know what they are doing meme

top keke, most doesent know shit and has newer read any exercise sience books exept the bicep and chest pages on Arnolds encoclbabla of memebuilding and mastertrolling

>>39090370
And that differs from natties how?

>>39090424
it was simply implied that there was a relationship between vitamin S and knowing what your doing.
And as you know(disqusting pleb) i simply felt the tingling sensation of letting him stand corrected when the pretenser was uttering such loosely blasphemous correlated academical observatory correlations

>>39090370
>>39090424
tbqh this, I think that way too many people assume without that the average gym goer is a sperg that read Starting Strength and practiced compound lifts with a broomstick and youtube before first visiting the gym; likewise that every roider is a /fraud/ that knows everything about hormones.

Though it's actually pretty sad that this board might be thinking what they're doing more often than average people.

>>39090117
Roll

>>39090117
Roll

Nothing wrong with that routine at all

PPLx isn't just from reddit, it's a really popular routine. i just switched off it for a more advanced program but it really helped me start out.
just can't' be a pussy about it and do light weight if you want to see actual results

>>39090775
>Nothing wrong with that routine at all

is it fine for a beginner on a cut?

>>39089995
Don't need hammer curls, face pulls, incline dumbbell press, leg press, romanian deadlift, calf raises.

>>39090839
Why not?

do you really think forearms are hit hard enough by deadlifts once a week?

No direct rear delt work without facepulls to a lot of pressing?

Chest is fine with just flat bench? What a joke

>>39090063
This is literally my body holy shit this blows.

>>39090928
Ss victim

>>39089995

if you do barbell rows with any considerate weight you wouldn't be able to do pull ups that aren't weighted, making them useless

if you do bench press with any considerate weight, you wouldn't be able to overhead press any kind of good weight for the 8-12 and if you are a beginner and don't know your body you will likely injury yourself because of pushing yourself too hard

just add isolations to your SS for example the lateral raises, pull ups, dips, overhead extensions and hammer curls are good for aesthetics

you don't need leg isolations yet

>>39090986
Lick my dick I'm going to do this routine.

>>39090063
Can someone post the version of this with the girls face shopped on?

>>39089995
>eight sets of curls
>up to 100 fucking curls in one workout

lol

ok

>>39090986
>you don't ever need leg isolations

fixed it

>>39091017

i don't like SS honestly, i think it's crap for more than 1 month

anyway seeing that you are a retard, i would suggest to drop doing deadlifts and squats because you will for sure fuck up your spine down the road

>>39091052
this

>>39091037
T. Ss victim with 28 inch quads and 13 inch biceps

Biceps respond well to volume, fuck head

>>39091062
>>39091059
>>39090901

Post body you homos.

Then you can proceed to keep talking shit.

>>39090966
Not even SS just shit diet and shit routines.

>>39091179
Post yours, zach

>>39090986
>just add isolations to your SS for example (...) pull ups
are you aware that chinups are already in the program? http://startingstrength.com/get-started/programs

>>39091234

>letting your biceps steal your back gains

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>>39091035

>>39090814
Yes

>>39091362
really makes you think where did that ss t-rex meme come from.

>>39091428
Thanks anon

>>39091062
>tfw SS gave me 24 inch quads and 15 inch arms
did i do it wrong

>>39091453

>doesn't post back and stats

>>39089995

The routine looks pretty good. Look m8, there is no such a thing as a "better overall" routine than other, the "BEST" routine there is, is the routine that gets YOU to YOUR goal as fast as possible, while enjoying it.

I'm going to supose that the routine you posted is a PPLPPLX or PPLXPPLX, where you kinda do both push/pull/leg days in a week.

>I have a very busy life / studying / job / family to take care...
Pick SS: 3 1hour or less long workouts vs 6 1 hour or more long workouts a week

>I have the time, and i would like to put on as much muscle as possible for summer to look good. Strength is secondary.
Pick the PPL routine, while eating on a small surplus (200ish calories above maintenance) and do weekly progression (adding weight to the first exercise each week with good form). The routine has a lot of volume (a bit too much IMO for a begginner but depends on you and on your surplus), which is the main muscle builder driver, and the exercise selection is pretty good.

>I want to get as strong as possible to be able to /feel better / pack as much volume as easily as possible /do sports better
Pick SS, lets you time to practise the sport, and while in a good enough surplus, you will gain strength in the fastest way possible

Just look at yourself and your goals and lifestyle and pick whichever you want.

Where are you supposed to measure your legs anyway?

>>39091525
Only helpful answer in this thread

>>39091444
Won't the volume be hard as fuck when cutting?

>>39090197
Seconded. Do Greyskull if you're bored on ss. Way better for aesthetics, your strength can still develop properly and the plugins are up to you. Phraks is a good place to start.

>>39091061
t. A hunk of fat mass and zero aesthetics

>>39091561
Ppl is better

Also Phrak himself commented on this spe ific routine and said it was good.so kek

>>39091582
I highly doubt you and your overall discipline, but whatever floats your mcgoat. Godspeed.

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>>39091597
In response to routine

>>39091525
What if you're a fatty who needs to cut 20 lbs of fat?

Will ppl work or is the volume hard on a deficit?

>>39091630
many of those reddit guys are such fucking faggots

>>39091685
So are the people here

You're more alike than you think

>>39091630
As I said: whatever you feel is right for you my man. All will be well as long you're having fun and get the results your looking for.

>>39091650
Begginer fatty? if so, then i would say yes that is too much volume for a deficit. But the only way to know is to try it out.

If you need to loose 20lb of fat, i would suggest you to not go too crazy in the deficit. Your body isn't stupid, if you have got that much fat to loose, and you lift intense enough, you will gain muscle (not much though) and loose fat at the same time, but only if the deficit isn't crazy. Try 500calories below your maintenance.

Try a couple weeks with that much volume. If you are not reaching the end of the workouts because you are literally exhauster, it doesn't mean you are a pussy, it just means it is too much volume for YOU on a DEFICIT. If it is, i would suggest:

>3x5 on main lifts (excpet DL 1x5 still)
>2, 1 or even no set of the isolated exercises (depends on how gassed out you are when you get to them)

Might seem low on volume, but in a deficit gaining weight on the main lifts will be way better for you than stacking endless isolated volume. Plus also think that you are doing that day TWICE per week, that is huge for someone on a deficit that also is a newbie.

>>39091719
the trippers maybe.
anonymity helps people not to be faggots.

>>39091731
It's not working well.

This entire board is shit.
>le sip
>tfw no gf
>pol shit
>feels threads everywhere
>relationship advice
>tfw no gf
>tfw nogf
>is my gf fat?

>>39089995
Protip: this board is shit for actual fitness advicd

>>39091752
true, but thanks to the anonymity i have been able to have a few good conversations with other anons here.

it's not possible on reddit, because if you hold a non-conventional view there, you'll be downvoted and your posts get hidden.

>>39089995
Literally been on this exact routine for 3 months. Seeing good strength gains and aesthetics are coming along for me as well. 10/10 would reccomend PPL for any intermediate lifter

>>39089995
PPL is a God send routine that lets you hit your body with both volume and intensity. Filling the routine with exercises that actually work for you is the hard part. Trial and error over time with workouts that work best for you and your body is what you should be focusing on for now. Also, eat enough to fill your goals. Your diet is absolutely more important than your routine; even if people say otherwise fuck them.

>>39091752
this board might be made of retards and possibly ironic shitposters, but at the very least we don't get grotesque faggotry like being butthurt over Brian Shaw's concept2 record.

that's what I tell myself when I start wondering why haven't I left 4chan forever yet.

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>>39089995
>SS
Jesus Chris, just shit the fuck up with this meme shit and do bro split masterace already

>>39090986
I was doing my own modified PHAT routine, on Heavy Upper day, I would start with heavy deadlifts, then 2pl8+ barbell rows for reps, then follow up with weighted chin-ups with a 65lb dumbbell between my legs, 65lb added was my max and I could manage three good weighted chinup reps. Took some time to build up to it but it is possible.

>>39089995
>both hammer and normal curls
>no shrugs or trap work
>5x5 pressing
>both OTE and tricep pushdown, the worst tricep isolation excercise
>RDLs AND leg curls
>no gl00t work
oh yeah definitely do this routine made up by some anonymous user on the internet.
yup

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>>39089995
you didnt mention ICF but this image applies aswell

>>39091908
that image doesn't apply to anything.
beginners shouldn't be pushing so hard, because that will inevitably lead to injuries.

fucking no pain no gain meme only leads to injuries.

I do a slightly different version of this. Also, if you can do the 5+ parts, I'm pretty sure you're not doing enough weight.

Pull1
1x5 DL
3x5 Weighted pullups
3x5 single DB row (the one where you put 1 arm and leg on the bench and pull)
3x8 DB curls
3x8 facepulls
maybe some other curls if i have time

Pull2
3x3 powercleans
5x5 BB rows
3x5 weighted chinups
3x8 DB curls
3x8 facepulls
maybe some other curls if i have time

Push1
3x5 bench
3x5 weighted dips
3x5 incline DB bench
3x8 tricep pushdowns

Push2
3x5 OHP
3x5 close-grip bench
3x5 weighted dips
3x5 push press

Legs
3x5 squat
3x5 RDL
3x15 calf raises
3x5 front squat
3x5 (each leg) weighted lunges
3x5 leg press
R8 n h8, am I doing somethig wrong?

>>39091922
lel nice bait, 2/10 made me reply

>beginners shouldn't be pushing so hard, because that will inevitably lead to injuries.
lol kill yourself

>beginners shouldnt do horrible form, that leads to injuries
fixed that for you

>>39091947
>beginners shouldn't be pushing so hard
>beginners shouldnt do horrible form

Yeah, and these two don't have any correlation whatsover?
Especially not in novices, right?

If you continue responding with memes and saying stuff like "kill yourself", I won't reply.

>>39092001
>I won't reply
perfect, fuck off

there is a big difference between pushing hard, and doing it with horrible form

nothing that you know of anyway, keep doing your 5 kg curls

>>39089995
If you're still a beginner that means instead of trying to get good form on 4 or 5 exercises and take advantage of linear progress, you're going to do a dozen exercises or more, learn to do them right, and slow down your progress.

Why not just wait until noob gains are done and you've mastered those 5?

>>39092021
nobody masters the big compound movements in their novice phase.

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How come nobody posts their bodies?

I did this routine for 7 months, got to 3pl8 dead, 2pl8 squat, near enough 2pl8 bench and ohp i got to 0.75pl8.

Feel free to shower me with abuse, but I really enjoyed the meme reddit routine.

>>39092084
the only sport i did before starting to lift was running 10ks and the first time i ever tried to diddly i did 3pl8 and 2 pl8 squat, albeit with shit form yeah, but seriously, thats nothing impressive

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>>39092146
Yeah it's nothing impressive but bear in mind I was 125lbs at the time

>>39091729
I've been doing SS with accessories for 4 months

I think I can handle the volume desu.

>>39092174
yeah tbf i was fat at 190 lbs 5'10

>>39092084
By "this routine" you mean PPL in op?

>>39092021
I don't believe that doing some isolations really impedes on your progress that much.

There's only so much progress you can make in your bench squat dead that doing some curls won't have a significant impact

>>39091868

you are very advanced then or have really good endurance

my routine is 5x4 weighted pull ups with 77lb and that's basically all i do for back three times a week, sometimes i do meme seated rows really slow for 15 reps for the pump

>>39092357

I may add that after the 5 sets of weighted pull ups i have tried doing with only 40lbs for hyperthrophy but my back is so fried that my tendons in my lats hurts and my form goes to shit, so that's why i said >>39090986

>>39092248
Yes, I didn't modify anything

>>39092386
Word

I'm a bit fat considering switching to it from ss while I cut then bulk back up.

how'd you like it?

>>39092385
I'm 5'11 200lbs :#

>>39092425
I did the whole thing on a cut, and still saw my strength go up pretty fast. Not as fast as I would on SS/SL BUT it went up week by week no problems and I feel like I look better than I would have on SS/SL.

It's v tiring at first but you get used to it fairly quick.

>>39092527
Fuark

Looking sexy bro, if this is what I can expect from this routine on a cut...

how much of a deficit? I'm cutting 1800 cals at 5'11 195-200. Will I die on this much volume?

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>>39092573
Thanks man I was on 1500 cals but i'm a manlet so at 5'11 that sounds fine. First few weeks will be shitty so i'd cut back a set on each accessory and slowly add them back as you adapt to the routine.

Also when you reach your goal weight definitely do this on a slight bulk or maintenance at least or you'll stall hard like I did.

>>39092614
Word that's the plan

I'm just a fkn fatass like 25% bf lol. I wont bulk til at least 13% bf

>>39092614
I'm super weak though

140x5 bench, 180x5 squat, 125x5 pendley, 40lbs assisted x5 chins etc

>>39091945
It's alright, I don't really see a point to the dumbbells if its not for isolation movements/hypertrophy, but if you're getting results then don't let my opinion stop you.

>>39092663
Lifting 6x a week you'll lose that all fast even without doing cardio if you stick to your cals, about 2lbs a week at least.

>>39092671
I started with lower stats than you, I couldn't bench the bar or squat more than 135lbs haha.

Don't worry about it you'll still be gaining from session to session.

>>39092724
>this is after lifting for 3-4 months

Kill me lol

Yeah bro I'm thinking 1800 is a bit low but I'm fat as heck. I'm just gonna stick to it and see how it goes

>>39090033
squats = compound movement
leg press = isolation movement

>>39089995
i do deadlifts on leg day and alternate between dl and squats

>>39092878
leg press is a compound movement too.
compound means movement at more than one joint.
a leg press involves knee and hip extension, just like a squat.

>>39092912
squat involves more than just your lower body.
it's "more" compound

>>39092955
Saying the leg press is an isolation movement is flat out wrong.
Using vague terms like "more compound" doesn't help either.

Why not just say the leg press doesn't involve the upper body like a squat?

>>39092981
if he was intelligent he wouldnt be lifting

>>39092724
Btw. How was your progression on a cut?

Did you manage to progress linearly or did you stall quickly

>>39093259
I hit 77.5kg x5 Bench, 100kg/2pl8 squat, 140kg/3pl8 dl and 45kg ohp before I stalled and started to have to bulk, I imagine you're taller/heavier than me so your mileage will go further before you start to stall.

Just make sure to push every set and not just go through the motions

>>39093344
Yes but how did you progress?

Add 5lbs every workout or slower and add 5 every 2-3 workouts instead?

>>39093429
I added 5lbs every workout, if I couldn't do all the reps i'd keep it at that weight until I could bust them all out then keep adding

>>39093453
Oh...

I've been starting to stall on my lifts kind of :(

>>39093476
Keep in mind I was post-break up and slightly insane and started taking ephedrine + caffeine 3x a day and literally had nothing in my life but lifting.

When I stalled I started doing this and started moving again, even on a cut.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=155460263

>>39093502
My lifts are too low to be stalling though.

Btw what were you rests on ppl?

I do 5-6 mins on compounds 2.5mins isolations

>>39093524
Ignore what fit tells you you have to be at, you don't know their stats, background, genetics etc, just make sure you're progressing.

60 seconds for everything, sounds mad but it actually helped my work capacity skyrocket.

Have you considered a deload?

>>39093563
Yeah I guess ill try deloading

I'm going SS to this ppl routine