>two weeks sober >only feels are sadness and anger >constant

>>38694271
Sober from what OP

Alcoholic here and can't seem to stop drinking for more than 3 days without getting shit faced again

>>38694271
Pic redpilled me, gotta cut down on tea.

>>38694304
I know those feels.... but I'm not physically addicted... just enjoy brews while relaxing ; watching sports ; playing xbone ;etc....

Just doesn't feel the same with Powerade Zero.

I did go 10 days without beer in 2013.

>I'm over 40 yrs. old.

>>38694271
What's going on anon, what are you coming off of, what was you're use like?

I know these feels and they do pass, lifting does help. I've learned it's important to man up and not dwell on these things.

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>tfw on heroin for almost two weeks now

>>38694495
If you're having a hard time without you're addicted anon. Take it from someone who's denied for a long time. You may not be reliant or absolutely need it but you still have a problem. It's not a huge one but keep an eye on it because IT WILL become a problem.

Pro tip no alcoholic started at problematic drinking levels it creeps up on you.

>>38694271
Only things in that picture i use are caffeine on some form. Ephedrine also right more for that cut. Glad i never started.

>>38694551
You don't eat simple carbs? Mirin'

>>38694474
This. Had some green tea earlier. I'm losing control of my life.

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>>38694474
fucking never

>>38694271
You've been using whatever you were addicted too as a crutch to not deal with these emotions you're feeling.

Get a shrink and figure out the root of whatever it is you were self medicating. Now that you aren't abusing a substance you have to deal with emotional problems head on, good luck. Sobriety was hell for me at first, and it will continue to be tough. It will be tough for you too, but it gets progressively easier as you learn to face your problems like a man instead of using avoidance/bitching out and turning to your substance of choice.

>>38694271
>Sober
>Tea
>Melatonin
>Cookies

Come at me, rationalizationfags

>>38694597
I'm not even kidding man, caffeine is caffeine is psychoactive. Pic makes sense.

>>38694547
i hope you OD and cause horribly tragic loss for your family just like everyone ive ever known who has done heroine

>>38694597
Enjoy your estrogen gains

>buy a vape
>buy some weed
>be free of all other vices

feels pretty good mang

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>>38694271
I haven't done any of these in like 2 months, feels great!

>>38694614
why would you hope that?

>>38694271

That's actually a pretty good point for a FB tier meme

>>38694599
Does insurance cover shrink? Do you need ref from reg doc?
Pretty sure was drinking to avoid anxiety

>>38694547
Oh man I bet you still feel like shit

>>38694632
they are most likely an edgy overweight 20 year old neckbeard that faps to anime all day and has never been loved so they take their frustration out anonymously over the internet

>>38694696
My only strategy for not fapping to anime is completely avoiding it. It's designed to be superhumanly appealing.

Has anyone else here given up caffeine and seen some positive benefits? I have a cup of cold brew in the morning and some green tea at lunch time. If I gave these things up, would it benefit me much?

I freakin love Starbucks Coffee

>>38694696
heroine users are all the same, they do this to themselves willingly and always destroy their families(if they have one) and their lives. the only edgy one here is the guy letting people on a chinese cartoon board know that he is doing heroine.

>>38694674
I do

>>38694739
No one of my friends and family knows, it's the only place I can share.
I'm going to rehab on friday though

>>38694728
If you give up brew for a while you'll feel and think differently.

See, when you drink coffee or see coffee as a way to make up for bad food and lifestyle choices you become blind to the affects of food and lack of rest and sleep.

You'll be more likely to eat complete garbage, workout more then you need to and rest horribly.

Once you kick that habit on some level, if you aren't replacing the lost energy with sugar, you'll begin to make better food choices and eat less because you don't have the energy to spare for that much food or the tiredness that it will bring. You'll look forward to a good nights sleep and come to understand the importance of rest.


That's what I found. But right now I"m in the middle of a hardcore protein fast and I need it to get through the day and help mobilize some extra fat. .

>>38694728
Test boost
Heart rate drop
Body creates natural energy
Mind learns natrual focus
Stronger erections
More attractive hormones
Improved cognitive function
Metabolism boost
communication gains
confidence boost
money saved

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>>38694271

>list of drugs
>Doesn't include sex, sleep, food, and gym

what are you doing retard?

Quit drinking heavily, quit smoking and quit smoking weed (was basically smoke weed everyday).

Now I keep getting the urge to eat CONSTANTLY. Am I just 'bored', and will keeping my mind ovcupied for a few weeks be enough for it to pass or do I need to see a shrink? I'm not getting any cravings to drink or smoke again.

>>38694669
Yes, ask your doctor for a referral or just check for one that's in your insurance network.

I tried quitting cold turkey a few times, nothing worked until I got in with a counselor. Now I've been sober two years and it's like playing life on easy mode. Give it a shot, even if you don't exactly buy into what they're saying it helps having a third party to hold you accountable and actually care about seeing you succeed.

>>38694784
check the definition of drugs retard

>>38694739
they are if they don't cut the shit out I agree. How are you gonna call me edgy when you were the one wishing for someone family to have a tragic loss? The only kind of people I know that say that kind of stuff literally watch anime all day and wear fedoras.

>drinking half a bottle a night of whiskey
>wake up with that dry, rot gut

kms

>>38694271
the thing that will help more is having a positive attitude about your life situation. have failed to remain sober numerous time, and when it always slips is when I start becoming negative.

>>38694620
wtf fa m

I googled "green tea estrogen" and supposedly it decreases estrogen levels in postmenopausal women

Never addicted to any particular substance, but the partying was getting sketchier and sketchier until I was smoking meth and all sorts of unpleasant shenanigans.
Lifting made all desire to do drugs or commit crimes go away within days. Fucking godsend.

>>38694761
it'll pass, stay the course.

>>38694799
well i dont watch anime and i dont wear fedoras so now what?

>>38694614
Yeah man those female heros really do deserve it

>>38694271
Haven't used any of these in a long time. I had a glass of wine 4ish days ago, but before then nothing for weeks.
I'm not even a health nut, I just don't like soda, smoking, tea, or candy that much. Alcohol is OK, but unless someone asks me to have some I forget I even have it.

Maybe its because I'm hopelessly intoxicated on love every moment my SO is around me. Now THAT shit is unhealthy as fuck. Someone help me.

>>38694777

what about tea?

can i have green tea 2 times a day, or will this fuck me up?

>>38694785
It'll pass, stay the course.

>>38694875
R u a grill?

>>38694876
Does green tea have caffeine? how bad do you want it, anon?

>>38694809
>bb braincells
>bb liver

and you bitch about the gut??

>>38694777
isn't there an overwhelming amount of literature on the benefits of caffeine too?

>>38694886

I thought green tea was healthy n shieet

>>38694897
I have no idea, I was trolling 100% with benefits that people post about stupid fads. I drink caffine everyday and i'm never gonna stop. Do you Cuckboi

>>38694304
Fuck I know that feeling. Every week I say "I won't drink this weekend" and sure enough the weekend rolls around and I start drinking.

I don't know when it happened but my hangovers went from headaches and nausea to just horrible panic attacks all day long. I need to cut it out completely but I still am drinking around 1 or 2 nights a week usually to blackout.

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>>38694271
Tfw I drink alcohol, coffee, and prescription SSRIs and benzos. I also smoke if I'm offered a cigarette.

Is there any hope?

>>38694930
where'd you get that info?

from BIG green tea? don't by the studies that lobbies pay for.

>>38694271
Fuckkkk man 12 days sober here due to a drug test I have coming up for a job I've been wanting to get

>tfw used to get shitfaced like once a month
>army bro came back on leave in August
>ended up getting shit faced every other night with him for a week
>he goes back to base
>meet qt
>end up geting shitfaced with her
>one time a week turns into two times a week and eventually drinking multiple times a week with her and her friends
>decided to do a couple lines and go bowling one night along with drinking
Hey that was awesome
>fast forward another week do the same thing with her and her sister
>end up drinking a bottle of tequila by myself and doing about 6 lines along with numerous key bumps
>get a letter in the mail saying congrats you've been accepted into the apprenticeship program for said job
>time to go sober to get te Coke out of my system no alcohol as well
Alcohol slows down the break down of metabolites of Coke or some shit
>the last time I did Coke was about 11 days ago so I know I'm clean I've been drinking 2 gallons of water everyday and lifting.
>tfw went bowling a few nights ago with qt and her sister.
>tfw they were drinking and I wanted to drink so bad
>tfw can't wait to get fucked up this weekend once I take the drug test
>I think I might have a drinking problem bros

On a good note despite me drinking a lot recently I've still been droping weight

>>38694597
>>38694271
TFW bourbon in coffee every morning

It's the Irish in me I swear.

>>38694951
Yeah that's when my drinking got bad, those impending feeling of doom hangovers are a sure sign you should stop soon.

>>38694885
I apologize, but we're both men

>>38694739
This happens because of changes in brain chemistry, they don't even realize what they're doing

One would think it's just lack of self-discipline and they can snap out of it, but that's not the case, it's an interesting subject

>>38695072
Seems nice. Do you work out and then shag?

>>38694996
Of course you've been, heavy drinking kills muscle mass.

>>38694996
You don't have a drinking problem man. You have a girl problem.Same thing happened to me. drank super heavy when I was seeing this girl who in retrospect I realise is an alcoholic. The whole thing has me off alcohol now.

>>38694271
Yes, bats here, used to be on pills (prescribed skittles for all my issues), lifting definitely helps

>>38695219
Ill lift, and time when I get home to right around when he gets back form work. Shower together and shag.

He's hard to convince to go to the gym, but when he does he always admits he's glad he came. on weekends Ill get him to run with me though

>>38695121
I have a friend that abused opiates for 1.5 years, became a daily user, even used heroin when oxy wasn't available. He just decided one day to stop and quit cold turkey. He got a motel room and kicked it.

Why was he able to stop out of the blue but everyone else has "rewired brain chemistry"?

>>38695309
I thought it was evident from the post, but what I meant was "but that's not always the case"

>>38695242
But I've been making strength gains

>>38695253
Yeah that's what I've been thinking.. Now that I think about it I've been getting a little worried about her always getting fucked up. To be fair her bestfriend is a horrible influence on her.. I think I'm going to talk to her about it.

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To all the alcoholics on this thread: I was there, I was getting somewhere tipsy to completely shitfaced every day of the week, and then passing out every weekend.

I was there and now I've been sober for 7 years.

If a piece of shit like me can do it you can also do it.

I love you all.

>no homo

>>38695359
Oh excuse me, I didn't mean to put down your point, although that's exactly what I did. I was more curious as to why he was able to do that? what does that mean for him?

>>38695403
<3

>>38695421
I don't know for sure, but I suggest you read on dopamine and how substances affect it, ie. an abuser goes for their next fix even though they were sure to quit last time, because their memory and planning is impaired it's an interesting and complex subject

>>38695530
He didn't do rehab or anything, he just felt like shit for a month, was depressed for three months but didn't let it keep him from working or anything. and years later, he's leading a normal life.

Is this some kind of anomaly, or do we just not hear about these people because they keep their business to themselves?

Anyone have any experience with cutting out caffeine? Were the withdrawals bad?

I just want to do it for a week

>>38695403

Thank you anonymous internet poster, this gives me hope for my future.

>>38694737
have you noticed that shit is packed with more caffeine then regular coffee? I drink at my house coffee and even the starbucks beans and get a decent amount of caffeine but when you get starbucks straight off the tap that shit gets you wired. Its ridiculous

>>38695662
I don't know exactly how oxycodone compares to heroin, but it could be the environment where he is living (having things somehow in order) and how much he on average dosed and how (snorting, shooting, oral)

If he had been a long time abuser for sure he has ahedonia (incapability to feel pleasure or have motivation to pursue pleasure, effort vs intensity of pleasure) and feeling bad in general for a while, the brain is pretty good at recovering despite

>>38695811
He told me he was using between 60-90mgs a day of oxy (orally or internasal) OR .5 grams of heroin (freebased).

Ahedonia sounds shitty, explains his behavior in that part of his life.

Thanks anon. I just worry about the guy falling back into it or something.

>>38694271
yes, and smoking cigarettes because they're good for you. take the nicotinepill

>>38694561
Only complex my nigga

>>38695847
I know things and have experience but still can't say I know all about it, need to be careful when it comes to these things

Could be your friend didn't get too down the hole

>>38694629
>>38695898
Impressive, let's see how I'll do without those.

>>38695944
Dubs say you'll go far.

Smoke cigs everyday.. that's about it. Not a gains goblin r-right..?

>>38696130
smoking is the fucking WORST thing you can do to your body. You would be fucking way better off doing molly and doing lsd and having way more fun

>>38694728
I'm 21 and haven't had caffeine in 3 years other than accidental. Have never had coffee and don't drink soda. I never understand the "i need caffeine" thing because I don't deal with that faggot normie shit.

>>38694271
I have not had a single one of those things in op's image in almost a year and the only one i did have was the sodie pops.

>>38694271
Nope.

>>38696737
oh fuck
I can't remember the last time I had a candy bar or a chocolate chip cookie

>>38694598
dat filename

>>38696332
>LSD
LSD isn't harmful in the least physiologically

>>38694271

Fucking this.

If I told people what I took for prescription they'd look at me like I'm a goddamn freak.

And I have zero biases against cocaine and weed. If they were legal I'd do them at will.

But the same motherfuckers who judge do all that shit in that pic.

Is getting drunk once a week alcoholic-tier?

I used to smoke weed a lot, but I can't really do that any more because of work.

I try to just man up and fucking deal with reality, but I can't do that all day every day. My shitty life hits me the hardest on weekends, when I sit around all day at home alone not working and not doing anything with friends (because I don't have any).

So, I'll usually drink on saturday. Not a lot. Just a beer or two, and a shot or two of vodka.

Th-th-that's not that bad r-r-r-right?

>>38694799
Well you are kind of a piece of shit. Like the human equivalent of trash. May the heroin claim your life and slowly cleanse the gene pool.

>>38697485
You might have alcoholic tendencies that you just need to keep in check. If you're life is in order you wont go flying off the handle or anything.

>>38697430

Yes it is

>>38695121
Naw dude you're full of shit. I have a stepsister who used to be a junkie whore. Ended up stealing like 2,000 bucks from her grandma. I called her out on it and told her she was a piece of shit in front of the entire family(including our little brother who even thought she was a scumbag). After that she magically got her life together. Everyone was pissed at me but they were all just babying her along hoping she would get better. Any semi-intelligent addict is perfectly aware of what they are doing.. they just don't give a shit because they want to get high period beause they are withdrawing.

>>38694809
Whats it gonna take for you to quit? Eventually something is going to break because of that, and you wont be able to fix it.

>>38694953
Yes.
I don't know what an SSRI is, but over a year, I walked away from all of that, save my morning coffee- and special occasion/milestone drinking with a few cigarettes.
It's pretty comfy. I feel like I have balance and control for once. At least about this stuff, anyway.

>>38694271
>he doesn't drink energy drinks before working out
>he doesn't sit back and enjoy chocolate bars and cola while playing vidya
>he doesn't drink coffee while playing vidya to get that focus and reaction time gains
>he doesn't eat cookies to get that nut busting feel
Fucking plebian. Go back to drinking water and eating lettuce.

>>38697625
Nope. And feel free to scour the internet, you won't find any credible source that claims so.

Shit can wreck havoc on your psyche if you abuse it frequently, have a history of mental illness, or are simply emotionally unstable though. But physiologically, nada.

>>38698918
So yeah, LSD can not fuck you up.
If you ignore every single case where it does.

>>38698784
>Wastes time playing vidya
>Has the gall to call others "plebian"

I never said it can't fuck someone up. If you rape a child, the child will be scarred for life, totally traumatized from the event he suffered through. But PHYSIOLOGICALLY, he'll be fine.

LSD won,t fuck up your heart, or give you brain damage, but it might scare the ever living shit out of you. Or it might not. Likewise, it doesn't make people crazy, but if someone has a genetic predisposition to mental illness, it will precipitate it. That's why people with a history of mental illness should stay as far away as possible from psychedelics; if they weren't gonna become schizo eventually, they'll be fine, but if they were gonna become schizo, say in their 60's, doing LSD would instead make them schizo much sooner.

>>38699030
I meant a family history of mental illness*

if they already have a history of mental illness, I don't know what the fuck would happen. It wouldn;t be good I imagine, but then again I recall reading a study a few years ago about children with schizophrenia being treated with low doses of LSD. For the life of me, can't remember what the results of that study were, I imagine inconclusive... Well guess I'm spending my night googling research papers.

Remember friends, Scientia potentia est!

>>38699030
>Nope. And feel free to scour the internet, you won't find any credible source that claims so.

>>38699068
>LSD isn't harmful in the least physiologically

5 years sober here. AA and lifting help a ton. AA saved my life

>>38699099
Is it as cultish as they say?

>>38694271
Does chamomile tea count?

>>38694548
I'm addicted to fapping and I stopped all of august but thought I'd do it "just once" and now I can't stop again. What do I do? It drains my life force

>>38699751
Do it once every 7 days

>>38699751
get a girlfriend

>>38699785
Never had a serious one and the fapping gives me bad anxiety. Would you reccomend greyskull lp ?

>tfw binge drinking problem

I can go for a long time without drinking no problem, but once I start, it's tough for me to stop until I'm shitfaced

>>38699117
Nah dude just be open to new shit. They aren't there to steal your money or whatever it's free

>>38699751
Zach?

go to meeting. get sponsor. work steps

>>38694304
Stop while you can anon, my dad used to be an alcoholic when I was a kid, really young so I don't remember much, but nothing good comes out of it. You'll live life in a bottle and won't be able to function normally without it. Shit can fuck up your life real fast.

>>38699844
I'm the same but I drink once a week. I can stop but whats the point of not drinking if you're not going to get shitfaced.

that's when it's fun

>>38694728

I've gone stretches without caffeine and didn't feel any better, just neutral if anything.

It's just fucking caffeine, have a cup or two of coffee and don't worry about it, we aren't evil for having found out that some drugs can boost our natural state and people like them for a reason

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>tfw in college and regularly get hammered 1-2 nights a week

it's basically unavoidable

also it's fun

>>38694474
tea is fine. OP's pic was probably just made by some butthurt stoner when someone called them lazy

>>38694271
Lifting will help man, helped me get off crack and pills in 2014 and now 4 months sober from alcohol and beer.
>belieb

>>38700695
This

college is virtually impossible to complete sober

>>38694474 Tea has caffeine in it.

>>38695421
Addictive tendencies stem from childhood abuse/neglect. The psychological input during your formative years influences the way the brain develops on a neurochemical level and in turn influences the kind of behaviours an individual is likely to engage in as an adult (some are hypersexual, some are depressed, some enjoy extreme situations, some self-harm, and some are drug addicts). As you can imagine, just as there are varying degrees of abuse/neglect, so there are varying degrees of addictive tendencies. Some people can try heroin, enjoy it and leave it at that, some can get hooked but not have much difficulty dropping it once they make that choice, and some cannot get sober no matter how much it affects their lives and the lives of people around them or how many times they go into treatment. Only 30% of people who try heroin end up becoming addicted, so it's not really to do with the drug but rather the user and their psychological profile.

>>38697625
How?

>>38698960
Name one case.

>>38701285
Herbal tea doesn't.

>>38694271
>tfw dont consume anything on this list
>tfw fast food is my drug
i need to learn how to cook.

>>38697485
That's habitual drinking. You feel bad and you seek relief in alcohol. It would be much better if you substituted alcohol for anything else. Why not try playing some team sports on the weekend?

>>38695847
That isn't a lot.

My friend (who I rarely talk to anymore) says it takes about 400mg of oxy to get him high. He prefers shooting heroin though, obviously.

Needle vs. smoking makes all the difference

>>38701517
Cooking is just putting raw food under heat.

Former alcoholics - how do you not prematurely ejaculate?

I was an alcoholic for 4 years and now i'm 3 months sober. Want to go out and get laid but I have almost never had sex sober and am worried I will cum too quick

>>38699663
>>38701494
Well, there are some active substances in chamomile and I've just found a post on reddit of a guy smoking it, so apparently it's psychoactive as well.

>>38694777
>More attractive hormones
>communication gains

are you pullin me leg senpai

so many pussies depending on alcohol lolololol

>>38694271
Rowing and running will give you a stronger high.

>>38694547
shit anon be careful

>>38697625
lmfao u retard

>>38694547
>heroin

oUT OF ALL THE DRUGS UNDER GOD'S BLUE HEAVEN YOU CHOSE THE ONE THAT WILL FUCK YOU UP THE HARDEST YOU LITERAL MENTAL RETARD.

>>38702727
Now, now. He's not doing krokodil.

>>38701840
Not that guy, but

1 beer after work T W Th, more to keep calories in check than anything else

150ml of gin once a week (but I skip this one if I've got plans the next morning)

I like my job, am financially secure, and I have friends/stay busy on weekends. I just like to unwind at home, and drink while I play video games and watch 80's music videos on youtube.

Never wake up with more than a slight headache, but I wonder if I should start easing off as I approach 30.

>>38694271
>>38694304

>Drinking alcohol

That shit ruins your gains and is proven to have strong negative mental and physical effects when consumed regularly, smoke ganja in moderation and eat healthy.

>>38703219
This whole post just screams "habits". Read The Power of Habit.

>>38702727
shooting coke is way worse

>>38703232
weed sucks at partys

>stop smoking weed for a night
>can't sleep for 4 days and when I do its for 15 minuets at a time and its dreams about people breaking in murdering my family

>>38703817
>Weed sucks
FTFY

>>38694271

Being alive is a drug. The only way of being drug free is NOT to enjoy life at all and kill yourself.

Which on this board most of us already achieved.

>can drink responsibly if im in control of much i drink
>friends are always playing mad drinking games that are designed to get you shitfaced

what do m8s

I'm going on a 1-week detox. I smoke weed 3-4 times every day and drink 2 cups of coffee every day. Going to stop smoking and swap coffee for tea and water. Sauna every day during this time.

Anything else I should do? I heard juicing is bomb af but I can't spend that much money on fruits and veggies

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>>38695403

But I don't want to be sober for 7 years.

I just want to have a couple brews every now and then

But they tasteee too gooooooddddd

(shit I just realized I'm the equivalent of a fatass who has to eat like 5 donuts instead of just one or two)

>>38699030

All kinds of hallucinogens (including lsd and shrooms) cause something called hallucinogen persisting perception, which is where you get visuals like you were on the drug, after it wears off.

If you do a normal amount the chances of this happening to the degree where they become an issue in your life are low, but there are people who abused lsd that now can't drive at night because of the visuals. It's not because of mental illness or getting scared, it's because of the drugs.

>>38705024
Stop hanging out with children.

>>38705047
>Anything else I should do?
stop being dumb

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>>38705331

* meant to say, can cause

That doesn't happen with most people, I'm just saying it's not all sugar and rainbows

>>38694953
smoking is great though

>>38695253
>drank super heavy when I was seeing this girl who in retrospect I realise is an alcoholic. The whole thing has me off alcohol now.
same bro